More Obamacare fuckups

[Grey]

.. is being caused by The Fed really. If interest rates were not effectively ZERO, There would not nearly be as much subprime lending.

Just you know, interest rates have absolutely nothing to do with subprime lending.

[Warriorbird]

I can go through the voting record from the Clinton Presidency and who sponsored the bills that initiated the crisis if you would like. Are you suggesting that it wasn't Democrats that pushed for this legislation... more home ownership for more people because it's not fair they don't have a home of their own? Because I don't have any idea but it sounds like a scatter-brained liberal push to me.



I took much less offense by your comments than you intended. Sorry.

I'm not suggesting what you want this discussion to be about at all. I'm suggesting there's more to it than you're trying to make it because you want to remove the Republican Party from the equation except in things those mean Democrats forced them to do.

I didn't intend you to take offense at all. I thought you'd be amused. But go go siege mentality.

[Parkbandit]

I'm not suggesting what you want this discussion to be about at all. I'm suggesting there's more to it than you're trying to make it because you want to remove the Republican Party from the equation except in things those mean Democrats forced them to do.

I'm saying one party is more responsible than the other party in this mess.. and the only ones to say "both are equally responsible" also generally happen to belong to that party.

Weird.

I didn't intend you to take offense at all. I thought you'd be amused. But go go siege mentality.

Of course you didn't! You poor victim you!

[Warriorbird]

I'm saying one party is more responsible than the other party in this mess.. and the only ones to say "both are equally responsible" also generally happen to belong to that party.

Weird.

Of course you didn't! You poor victim you!

It's curious how you somehow think that exclusively blaming one party while minimizing the actions of your own makes you somehow superior. It sounds like me that one party just has a tougher time admitting fault.

Sounds like an accountability crisis to me.

[Methais]

Let's break this down again. Apparently the only problematic thing the Republicans did was vote for "people to have more access to homes." and you think I'm the one minimizing things?

I thought it was funny that I thought a Rojo post was from you. You're very different people. You immediately decided that this was something to take offense to, because you're so cool and unemotional.

I'd be offended if someone thought I was Rojo too.

[Methais]

I don't leave the Republicans blameless.

I'm saying one party is more responsible than the other party in this mess..

It's curious how you somehow think that exclusively blaming one party while minimizing the actions of your own makes you somehow superior

[Atlanteax]

It's curious how you somehow think that exclusively blaming one party while minimizing the actions of your own makes you somehow superior. It sounds like me that one party just has a tougher time admitting fault.
Sounds like an accountability crisis to me.

It is amazing how frequently you describe yourself...

[Warriorbird]

It is amazing how frequently you describe yourself...

The projection is intense when I've said over and over again that the Democratic Party was responsible for PART of the problem.

As we've had so carefully noted Parkbandit only think Republicans are responsible because those mean Democrats forced them to vote for protection for the loans.

All the while he carefully ignores the removal of Glass-Steagall which I said that Democrats were partially responsible for too.

I understand you guys have trouble pointing the finger at your own party. I don't actually share your problem. You can wish really hard that I did though.

Everybody fucked up on this. If we were behaving in a mature and adult fashion we'd try to figure out how to keep it from happening but instead ONWARD POLITICAL FOOTBALL.

[Grey]

PART of the problem.

The part where they've had "affordable" (read: subsidized) housing and increased access to credit for low income (read: subprime) groups as a party platform goal for the past 60+ years?

[Methais]

The projection is intense when I've said over and over again that the Democratic Party was responsible for PART of the problem.

As we've had so carefully noted Parkbandit only think Republicans are responsible because those mean Democrats forced them to vote for protection for the loans.

All the while he carefully ignores the removal of Glass-Steagall which I said that Democrats were partially responsible for too.

I understand you guys have trouble pointing the finger at your own party. I don't actually share your problem. You can wish really hard that I did though.

Everybody fucked up on this. If we were behaving in a mature and adult fashion we'd try to figure out how to keep it from happening but instead ONWARD POLITICAL FOOTBALL.

Who would be more at fault? The people on side A that came up with the bill, or the people on side B that were too stupid to vote against it?

Let's pretend person A is a drunk driver. Person B is in the passenger seat. The car crashes and kills an entire family. Person A and person B come out without a scratch of course.

Who is more at fault...person A for being in the driver's seat? Or person B for not taking person A's keys away?