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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    Weren't we talking about straw mans the other day?
    Nice try, Terry, but we're talking about a woman.
    I'd love to hear how you figure that. Wouldn't this assumption indicate her wages would go up by at least inflation every year? If her wages increased by 1% and her premiums went up by 3% every year, is she not paying more for her health care every year?

    Not everyone is a Congressman and gets wage increases directly tied to inflation.
    And yet the real average wage has been roughly constant for the past 50 years.
    I'm also curious where you got your 3.3% inflation figure from.

    According to this website inflation hasn't been as high as 3.3% since 2008 and wasn't as high as 3% since 2011 and so far this year the highest inflation rate we've seen is 2%.
    The average from 1914 to present. Why 1914? First year of the Federal Reserve Bank.
    Quote Originally Posted by Thondalar
    Oh, shit...are you telling me Obama is lowering inflation? I knew I loved that dude.
    The Obama administration's ability to bring us out of a recession without causing inflation has been pretty remarkable.
    Hate to break it to you, but as a scientist you're probably not too involved in corporate day-to-day...nothing is arbitrary. There are too many other factors involved to index it directly to inflation.
    Maybe I ought to be.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latrinsorm View Post
    Why 1914?
    Because it helps your argument even though inflation stats from 100 years ago means nothing today? What fallacy is this one? I wanna call it confirmation bias.

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    I see. When Thondalar and Wrathbringer bring up 1914, that's fine. When I do it, not fine. Racism.

    Racism.
    Hasta pronto, porque la vida no termina aqui...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Latrinsorm View Post
    I see. When Thondalar and Wrathbringer bring up 1914, that's fine. When I do it, not fine. Racism.

    Racism.
    Glad we're on the same page now.

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    Story.

    The Robinson family of Dallas started out pretty excited about their new insurance plan under the Affordable Care Act.

    Nick Robinson had turned to Obamacare after he lost his job last summer. He had been working as a youth pastor, and the job included benefits that covered him, his two young daughters, and his wife, Rachel, a wedding photographer.

    Nick says he wasn't too nervous at first, because everyone was healthy. Then, he recalls, they found out Rachel was pregnant.

    "It's one of those times where you hear the news and there's this immediate sense of joy and excitement like, 'Yay, a new kid. That's awesome!' " he says. But they were also concerned. "What are we going to do? How are we going to pay for this? This is intense."

    Nick found a new job fairly soon, working as an account manager in retail sourcing. But the small firm did not offer health benefits.

    The couple started looking around. They applied for Medicaid but didn't qualify in Texas. They thought about paying out of pocket, but the quotes they got scared them — up to $15,000 for a basic hospital birth.

    Summer crept into fall, and Nick started hearing the buzz about the Affordable Care Act.

    "I was like, oh, here's the answer! This is simple!" Nick says. "It's a cheaper insurance plan; there's no pre-existing condition stuff."

    Rachel was skeptical, but Nick went online and started shopping. He had trouble getting through the glitchy website at first, but eventually he picked a plan just for his wife. It was a gold plan HMO through Blue Cross Blue Shield for about $375 a month.

    In January, as soon as the plan began, Nick printed out a list of obstetricians from the plan's website. "I handed it over to Rachel, fully confident, fully feeling like I had accomplished something for her; I had come through for my wife," he says. "This whole Obamacare thing was going to work!"

    Rachel recalls two days in January when she sat down and called every doctor on the list of 28. According to her, most of the practices told her, in one way or another, that they didn't take the plan.

    "Some would just come right out and say, 'We don't take Obamacare,' " she says. "Or the best one was, 'The doctor takes it here at the actual practice, but whatever hospital you use ... does not take that insurance.' "

    She says there were other issues, too. Some of the doctors said they wouldn't see her because she was too far along in her pregnancy — about 30 weeks. A few practices did take the HMO insurance, but they operated as a rotating clinic and couldn't guarantee she would see the same doctor every time. Rachel wanted to establish a relationship with her obstetrician.

    "It was mind-numbing," she says, "because I was just sitting there thinking: I'm paying close to $400 a month just for me to have insurance that doesn't even work. So what am I paying for?"

    Nick got even more frustrated when he called Blue Cross and was told those doctors should take the plan.

    "How could this not be working?" he says. "The United States government has set this up. It's this whole big deal; there are commercials everywhere saying we need to use this. And they're just saying, 'No, no, no,' and that just made me so mad."

    Louis Adams, a spokesman for , says he went down that same list a month after Rachel had checked. He says most of the 28 obstetricians do take the HMO insurance.

    "We're committed to helping our new members understand how to get the most from their coverage, and also [are] working with doctors and hospitals to inform them of the range of coverage options we have available," Adams says.

    Even if it was a matter of miscommunication, the Robinsons felt lost. It was January, and their baby was due in April. They started considering a midwife, an option friends had suggested but that they had previously rejected.

    "Our answers to that were, 'Absolutely not,' " says Nick. " 'That's insane. We're not going to go to some crazy witch doctor lady and make us get in a giant tub. Those are the crazy people. We're the normal people. We want to have our birth in a hospital.' "

    It was risky, too. Rachel had already had two cesarean sections; a home birth would mean trying to deliver vaginally. But gradually the Robinsons changed their minds. Rachel met with a midwife and loved her. Out of pocket, a home birth would cost only $4,000.

    And so they dropped their new plan; they just stopped paying the premium.

    They signed on to be in the midwife's care. Nick signed up for a nonprofit, cost-sharing plan. The Robinsons will pay cash upfront and request reimbursement later.

    "We're so happy with where we are now," says Nick, "but this is not OK. And I'm extremely confident that that's not what the architects of this plan had in mind."

    On April 28, Rachel gave birth — at home, in the giant tub, with no pain medication.

    The baby is a healthy boy named Cash. Nick says that's for Johnny Cash, whom they both love — and not for the midwife's fee.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    Sounds like these people are lying racists. Or they are in the pocket of the Koch Brothers -Harry Reid
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    3 million more popular votes. I'd say the numbers speak for themselves. Gerrymandering won for Trump.

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    Regulating firearms to keep them out of the hands of criminals, the unhinged, etc. meets the first test of the 2nd amendment, 'well-regulated'.

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    His first name is Cash? WTF.
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    Cash Robinson. Badass name.
    You had better pay your guild dues before you forget. You are 113 months behind.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Taernath View Post
    Cash Robinson. Badass name.
    I agree.. as long as he doesn't spell it Ca$h Robin$on... then he needs to be cut.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Back The Reigning Retard Champion most consider the GOAT View Post
    3 million more popular votes. I'd say the numbers speak for themselves. Gerrymandering won for Trump.

    Quote Originally Posted by Seran-the 2 time Retard Champion View Post
    Regulating firearms to keep them out of the hands of criminals, the unhinged, etc. meets the first test of the 2nd amendment, 'well-regulated'.

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAFT-Internet Toughguy RL Loser View Post
    You show me a video of me typing that and Ill admit it. (This was the excuse he came up with when he was called out for a really stupid post)

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    You find a disproportionate number of mentally retarded, conservative trolls on internet forums, posting YouTube comments, posting FB memes, and, of course, calling in to talk radio shows. It's just the way of life. The angry, raging bitches have a deep psychological need to find and make use of outlets to express their unfathomable rage, racism, and support for the white kleptocracy. Given that Gemstone is pretty much a playground for old, rich members of the white kleptocracy, you'd expect to find disproportionately more angry, raging conservative bitches trolling these forums.

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