Climate Change Report

[Latrinsorm]

Like all climate change stuff published by anyone, the entire thing is speculation.

I think your bias is the main problem. They have a page full of citations for their data, they can't literally force you to click on them.

So basically, "we do not understand why the models are not mirroring recent actual results, so it must be man-made warming, as our model is infallible otherwise"

Suppose you've been putting the same gas in your car every time you fill up for 10 years without issue. This time you buy one of those additives that's supposed to clean your engine or whatever, and the engine explodes. If someone said "Hey, you can't rule out that the gas caused that. Gas explodes, doesn't it? Do you think you're infallible or something?", would you find that argument compelling?

When the model is accurate for the 799,800 previous years, it is fair to conclude that man-made effects are the missing piece in the last 200.

[Tgo01]

When the model is accurate for the 799,800 previous years, it is fair to conclude that man-made effects are the missing piece in the last 200.

So nothing has changed in the past 800,000 years except man driving cars?

[Archigeek]

So nothing has changed in the past 800,000 years except man driving cars?

You do a good job of pretending to be stupid.

[Tgo01]

You do a good job of pretending to be stupid.

Hey who says I'm pretending! I mean shut up! I mean...what?

[Latrinsorm]

Many things have changed, but in ways that are reflected in the model. The sun changes quite often, for instance, but in a measurable way. Same with volcanoes and every other factor mentioned in the report.

Think of it like a Gemstone fight. If the troll does 20 damage, the ogre does 15 damage, the kobold does 50 damage, the goblin does 5 damage, and your character with 100 HP dies, what is the length of the hypotenuse? Show your work or that roided up kobold will make you wish you had.

And how do we determine those numbers? Because we have hundreds of thousands of years on record to test, and it turns out there are no other confounding factors.

You feel me?

[Tgo01]

Do any of those reports include the possibility of aliens causing all of this damage or an entire city of intelligent Mole people living near the center of the Earth that is causing all of this wild weather patterns?

If not then they clearly have not looked into every possibility; just the easiest to explain possibility which just so happens to keep the scientists' funding rolling in from people who can make a quick buck off of it.

[Back]

People have damed up rivers, changed the course of rivers, cut through a continent to get from one ocean to another, paved miles of wilderness, deforested thousands of square acres, burned up tonnes of oil and coal dug out of the ground, mined out mountains, not to mention a bunch of other things that have changed the face of this planet.

[waywardgs]

Do any of those reports include the possibility of aliens causing all of this damage or an entire city of intelligent Mole people living near the center of the Earth that is causing all of this wild weather patterns?

If not then they clearly have not looked into every possibility; just the easiest to explain possibility which just so happens to keep the scientists' funding rolling in from people who can make a quick buck off of it.

You're right- the possibility of a population of mole people living underground is as likely as climate change not being anthropogenic.

[Jarvan]

People have damed up rivers, changed the course of rivers, cut through a continent to get from one ocean to another, paved miles of wilderness, deforested thousands of square acres, burned up tonnes of oil and coal dug out of the ground, mined out mountains, not to mention a bunch of other things that have changed the face of this planet.

And yet for some reason you feel that you can bitch about something and still use the fruits of all that "destruction".

Mother nature damns up rivers, changes the course of rivers, deforests millions of acres a year, killed off numerous species, not to mention a bunch of other things that have changed the face of this planet.

I say we put a stop to mother nature once and for all before she goes on another rampage.

[Back]

And yet for some reason you feel that you can bitch about something and still use the fruits of all that "destruction".

Mother nature damns up rivers, changes the course of rivers, deforests millions of acres a year, killed off numerous species, not to mention a bunch of other things that have changed the face of this planet.

I say we put a stop to mother nature once and for all before she goes on another rampage.

Point being it's ignorant to say humans can't change the environment of this ecosystem. Fool.