Obama's Manhood Problem

[AnticorRifling]

Ah, the right's selective Romnesia rears its head again.

Obama didn't start World War 3 over Russia invading Ukraine? He's so weak!
George W. Bush not starting World War 3 when Russia invaded Georgia?

"Because Georgia is not part of NATO, there's really no danger the United States or Europe will get in involved in what is really a civil war almost between--within this small part of Georgia."
-Fox News' Charles Krauthammer

Benghazi (nonsensical conspiracy theories aside)--four Americans die, with little US response? An outrage! Obama's so weak! His foreign policy's failing!
Beirut--250 American soldiers killed by truck bombs set by extremist jihadis under Reagan's term? Our response? A full withdrawal of US and international forces. Reagan remain a conservative deity.

16inchers and the inram wasn't part of the response at all.

Also wouldn't it be better to compare the embassy bombing instead of the Marine Corps barracks bombing?

As much as you like to point out their love for Bush or the right or whoever you hate you certainly ignore, or at the very least pass it off as acceptable, your love for Obama.

[Methais]

Good points Ash.

These guys don't have a leg to stand on in this argument. It's gotten so bad they have to attack the guy based on his blue jeans. As an observer, it is fascinating to see how propaganda operates in real time.

You really think the baseball pics are about his pants?

[cwolff]

You really think the baseball pics are about his pants?

It's just about a whole lot of bullshit. I'm finding the right is lacking in substance. They have shit for policies, no health care ideas, they just have nothing positive going on for the American people. That's why you guys are talking about manhood and mom jeans. It's intellectually bankrupt.

[kutter]

Ah, the right's selective Romnesia rears its head again.

Obama didn't start World War 3 over Russia invading Ukraine? He's so weak!
George W. Bush not starting World War 3 when Russia invaded Georgia?

"Because Georgia is not part of NATO, there's really no danger the United States or Europe will get in involved in what is really a civil war almost between--within this small part of Georgia."
-Fox News' Charles Krauthammer

Benghazi (nonsensical conspiracy theories aside)--four Americans die, with little US response? An outrage! Obama's so weak! His foreign policy's failing!
Beirut--250 American soldiers killed by truck bombs set by extremist jihadis under Reagan's term? Our response? A full withdrawal of US and international forces. Reagan remain a conservative deity.

Pretty sure I at least did not mention anything about any specific circumstances, I was speaking about him in far more general terms. He is someone that needs to be liked, adulation is what he lives for, but as the leader of the free world, not everyone is going to love you, that is the reality of the circumstance, there is a certain percentage of the world population that wants to see this country and its ideals eradicated from the earth. You do not protect except by projecting strength. But he does not project strength because he is too worried about being liked.

Personally I do not want to see us involved in Ukraine, that is, troops on the ground, but I do think that we should be helping the Ukrainians to help themselves, intel, weapons, training. Personally I think a squadron of F-117's and one of F-22's forward deployed to Poland for 'training' would send a pretty clear message. Putin will not be content with just Ukraine, he wants to put the whole band back together again, so are you saying we should let the USSR be reborn?

As for Benghazi, well that is as much about what happened before as what happened after, but Hillary does not want to talk about it and she has all her peeps on a pretty tight leash.

[waywardgs]

Don't you understand how critical to the position of president the skill of throwing a baseball is??!

[kutter]

It's just about a whole lot of bullshit. I'm finding the right is lacking in substance. They have shit for policies, no health care ideas, they just have nothing positive going on for the American people. That's why you guys are talking about manhood and mom jeans. It's intellectually bankrupt.

That might be the singularly most disingenuous statement I have ever seen you make, lots of opposing viewpoints have been made, you just do not like them so you pretend that they do not exist. And for clarification, Obamacare is not about health care, it is about HEALTH INSURANCE. Having experienced socialized medicine in the military and VA and commercial medicine now that I am retired, I pick commercial. VA and military are hard working sincere people that are under payed, overworked, short staffed, underfunded and in general burnt out. And if we keep going down the path we are, that is what we will all end up with, thank God I do not have kids and will not live but another 50 years or so.

[Allereli]

Don't you understand how critical to the position of president the skill of throwing a baseball is??!

I'll wait to judge until I see them both hitting.

[Wrathbringer]

I genuinely lol'd. Like a man.

[waywardgs]

Some people never get past the "oh yeah? Well you're a fag!!" school of debate they learned in second grade.

[cwolff]

That might be the singularly most disingenuous statement I have ever seen you make, lots of opposing viewpoints have been made, you just do not like them so you pretend that they do not exist. And for clarification, Obamacare is not about health care, it is about HEALTH INSURANCE. Having experienced socialized medicine in the military and VA and commercial medicine now that I am retired, I pick commercial. VA and military are hard working sincere people that are under payed, overworked, short staffed, underfunded and in general burnt out. And if we keep going down the path we are, that is what we will all end up with, thank God I do not have kids and will not live but another 50 years or so.

Don't believe me. That's fine. Would you believe Republican US House Rep Dennis Ross?

“I think one of the most unfortunate things my party did the last three years was not offer an alternative to health care…I wish we had an alternative. For the next six months, we’re going to go into an election, knowing that we’re not going to do anything to address health care. Because we’ve gone so far in the last few years saying No, that we don’t have an alternative to say Yes to. And I think that the American public, when they go to vote, are going to look at credibility before they look at substance.”

You guys can whine all you want about "We have ideas, it's just that no one will listen to us" but that doesn't make it true.