Obama's Manhood Problem

[Allereli]

having minimum standards for healthcare plans is a good thing. Did Obama screw up with those promises? yes, he's screwed up about a lot of things, the implementation has been awful, especially the website debacle, but that doesn't mean healthcare reform is not needed. Any push toward reform is a good thing, and making it the law to have health insurance as well as making it illegal to deny insurance to those with pre-existing conditions is a huge step in the right direction. Instead of an alternate Republican plan, we have only had hundreds of attempts to repeal the law. Funny how Republican are so against "handouts" and also so against everyone paying their fair share, or protecting people from financial ruin from one trip to the hospital that might lead them to apply for such handouts.

[Thondalar]

Most people didn't have pre-existing conditions covered under their healthcare plan?

Well that's the thing of it...people who already had insurance and found out about a condition vs. people who had no insurance and then tried to get insurance after finding out they had something.

I hate to break it to you all, but insurance is a business. They stay in business by taking money from the majority of people who are healthy and paying for the minority who are unhealthy. It's a bad business model to take people who are already unhealthy and provide them with insurance, because you're going to pay out more than you take in.

No business, of any kind, can pay out more money than they make and stay in business. It's just not mathematically possible. To have legislation force a company to take on debt is just...ridiculous. Ignorant, no...they know what they're doing. Force the private sector out of business, the White Knight of government can swoop in and save the day.

Wake up, America!

[Thondalar]

having minimum standards for healthcare plans is a good thing. Did Obama screw up with those promises? yes, he's screwed up about a lot of things, the implementation has been awful, especially the website debacle, but that doesn't mean healthcare reform is not needed. Any push toward reform is a good thing, and making it the law to have health insurance as well as making it illegal to deny insurance to those with pre-existing conditions is a huge step in the right direction. Instead of an alternate Republican plan, we have only had hundreds of attempts to repeal the law. Funny how Republican are so against "handouts" and also so against everyone paying their fair share, or protecting people from financial ruin from one trip to the hospital that might lead them to apply for such handouts.

So...if you reform something, and it's a net loss...it's ultimately ok because you reformed it?

Does not compute.

[Allereli]

You mean like being a chronic smoker, being overweight from binge eating, and other such neglect of physical health ... that most likely contributed to their condition (which they whine about how it is not fair to be paying more to cover) ?

no I mean people like my mother who had breast cancer 15 years ago and would be refused. For every fat smoking slob is someone who has had an issue completely out of his/her control. Promotion of preventative health care has also been a big Obama initiative. I've heard people criticize Michelle Obama as trying to tell them what to eat, when all she's trying to do is promote a healthy lifestyle that if we all undertook as a civic responsibility, we wouldn't be in the deep pile of shit we are today.

[Wrathbringer]

having minimum standards for healthcare plans is a good thing. Did Obama screw up with those promises? yes, he's screwed up about a lot of things, the implementation has been awful, especially the website debacle, but that doesn't mean healthcare reform is not needed. Any push toward reform is a good thing, and making it the law to have health insurance as well as making it illegal to deny insurance to those with pre-existing conditions is a huge step in the right direction. Instead of an alternate Republican plan, we have only had hundreds of attempts to repeal the law. Funny how Republican are so against "handouts" and also so against everyone paying their fair share, or protecting people from financial ruin from one trip to the hospital that might lead them to apply for such handouts.

Ah, the "fair share" argument. Fair share according to who? You? Obummer? This is a fascist argument. Stalin would be proud. As for a Republican plan, I guess you people only remember Obama's assertion that the Affordable (lol) care act is based on Romneycare, who, btw, is a Republican, when it suits you. Government should not be involved in healthcare, so the lack of a plan and rather a push for repeal from the "conservative" (lol again) party only makes sense. Also, I agree with you about Obummer screwing up everything.

[waywardgs]

no I mean people like my mother who had breast cancer 15 years ago and would be refused. For every fat smoking slob is someone who has had an issue completely out of his/her control. Promotion of preventative health care has also been a big Obama initiative. I've heard people criticize Michelle Obama as trying to tell them what to eat, when all she's trying to do is promote a healthy lifestyle that if we all undertook as a civic responsibility, we wouldn't be in the deep pile of shit we are today.

HOW DARE YOU TRY TO TELL ME WHAT TO EAT!!! FUCKIN' COMMIE NAZI FASCIST BASTARD!

[Thondalar]

no I mean people like my mother who had breast cancer 15 years ago and would be refused. For every fat smoking slob is someone who has had an issue completely out of his/her control. Promotion of preventative health care has also been a big Obama initiative. I've heard people criticize Michelle Obama as trying to tell them what to eat, when all she's trying to do is promote a healthy lifestyle that if we all undertook as a civic responsibility, we wouldn't be in the deep pile of shit we are today.

How about you're responsible for your own actions? If you have an unhealthy lifestyle, you pay the consequences?

[Allereli]

So...if you reform something, and it's a net loss...it's ultimately ok because you reformed it?

Does not compute.

where are your numbers that it's been a net loss? It's way too early to say. If some numbers are negative, adjustments can be made while maintaining the areas of positive progress. Stripping the entire law like the Republican party wants to do is just fucking stupid, adjusting it as we go along is not.

[Wrathbringer]

where are your numbers that it's been a net loss? It's way too early to say. If some numbers are negative, adjustments can be made while maintaining the areas of positive progress. Stripping the entire law like the Republican party wants to do is just fucking stupid, adjusting it as we go along is not.

Two decades from now: Q: "Has Obummercare been a net loss?" A: "It's way too early to say..."

[cwolff]

(1) canceled policies & (2) higher premiums across the board

So basically everyone who had insurance prior, were losers

Source?