More Obamacare fuckups

[Parkbandit]

Democrats should run on the success of this program in their re-election campaigns.

It's a sure win.

[Warriorbird]

We have different ideas about what "negotiating" means.

Clue: It doesn't mean "Do what I want or I'll just go around you".

That represents complete and total ignorance (or purposeful misrepresentation) of that year of negotiation. There were hundreds of amendments, countless changes, and even more text than the often complained about bill itself. It certainly became what you described, but only after it was already passed. The Republicans had already had their extraordinary long run of dismantling it and making it worse because Obama was extraordinarily naive and the Democratic leadership is gullible.

[Parkbandit]

That represents complete and total ignorance of that year of negotiation. It certainly became what you described, but only after it was already passed. The Republicans had their extraordinary long run of dismantling it and making it worse because Obama was extraordinarily naive and the Democratic leadership is gullible.

The only ignorance on display is that you honestly and sincerely believe that Obama actively sought after Republican input on the ACA.

Psst: He didn't.

[Warriorbird]

The only ignorance on display is that you honestly and sincerely believe that Obama actively sought after Republican input on the ACA.

Psst: He didn't.

So what exactly were all those amendments, the committee meetings, and all the Republican changes? You're trying to fight documented legislative fact.

[Thondalar]

Surprisingly, there are large numbers of people who work, are offered health benefits via work, but do not purchase insurance. That behavior apparently is being changed by the individual mandate.

That's not surprising at all. I wouldn't have health insurance if I wasn't forced to...I'm 33 in great health. The likelihood of me getting as much money out of it as I put in is very, very slim.

Just like Social Security, it's a big scam to get responsible young adults to pay for irresponsible older adults.

[Thondalar]

More Good News!

Well yeah, when you cancel everyone's insurance and tell them they can no longer see their regular doctor...

Not really much other option but to sign up for the new stuff. Way to ignore the cause and blindly tout the effect, though.

[waywardgs]

That's not surprising at all. I wouldn't have health insurance if I wasn't forced to...I'm 33 in great health. The likelihood of me getting as much money out of it as I put in is very, very slim.

Just like Social Security, it's a big scam to get responsible young adults to pay for irresponsible older adults.

Or to get responsible young adults to pay for irresponsible young adults till they get their act together?

[Parkbandit]

That's not surprising at all. I wouldn't have health insurance if I wasn't forced to...I'm 33 in great health. The likelihood of me getting as much money out of it as I put in is very, very slim.

Just like Social Security, it's a big scam to get responsible young adults to pay for irresponsible older adults.

lulwut?

I've paid into social security for 30 years.. how exactly am I being irresponsible?

[Thondalar]

Or to get responsible young adults to pay for irresponsible young adults till they get their act together?

Is that somehow better? Either way it's making me wonder why I bother being responsible.

I want a big sign-up sheet. If I sign my name to this sheet, I will be removed from availability for ACA, Medicare/Medicaid, Social Security, WIC, EBT, free phones (yeah, it's not "technically" tax-payer money...but you still pay for the universal service charge on your phone, so it still comes out of your pocket), and every other Federal program that I'll never use....but I'll also be removed from having to pay for it.

Let's make this shit optional and see how sustainable it is.

[Thondalar]

lulwut?

I've paid into social security for 30 years.. how exactly am I being irresponsible?

You're usually a little better at understanding English.

Protip: You're the responsible one.