Dumb things conservatives say:

[Parkbandit]

Not really. None of the proposed "solutions" work and the party seems focused on solely opposition.

Give some specific examples of what a good liberal plan is (that's working or will work) and the counter GOP plan that doesn't work.

[Warriorbird]

Give some specific examples of what a good liberal plan is (that's working or will work) and the counter GOP plan that doesn't work.

Only if you tell me some more good fairy tales about tort reform reducing healthcare costs, amnesty and work visas being good until Obama proposed it, and tax cuts creating revenue. Then tell me how illegal immigration was a huge priority when Republicans had the White House and Congress. I also want to hear about how deregulation protected the Gulf Coast from oil spills. Then we can to a cost benefit analysis of government subsidies yet have it explained how Democratic subsidies are bad. There are precious few other "conservative" ideas.

[Jarvan]

Not really. None of the proposed "solutions" work and the party seems focused on solely opposition.

How do you know none of the solutions work, have we put them into effect and they failed? Or are you basing them working on your opinion? or something you were told by someone?

face it, you fundamentally disagree with the Republican party. You disagree with conservatism (which the republican's are not always part of sad to say). So of course you would think that anything they propose is not good.

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In the category of SMART things conservatives say...

[Former Secretary of Defense Robert] Gates also reiterated his previous remarks that his fellow Republicans should "tone down" their criticism of President Barack Obama over the Ukraine situation. Congressional Republicans have accused the president of being "naïve" regarding Russia's actions and intentions in the region.

"Putin invaded Georgia when George W. Bush was president," said Gates. "Nobody ever accused George W. Bush of being weak or unwilling to use military force."

[Jarvan]

Only if you tell me some more good fairy tales about tort reform reducing healthcare costs, amnesty and work visas being good until Obama proposed it, and tax cuts creating revenue. Then tell me how illegal immigration was a huge priority when Republicans had the White House and Congress. I also want to hear about how deregulation protected the Gulf Coast from oil spills. Then we can to a cost benefit analysis of government subsidies yet have it explained how Democratic subsidies are bad. There are precious few other "conservative" ideas.

Like always.. you can't answer a question. Why are all Liberals like you and Back. Ask you guys a question, and you say how bad the "other side" is instead. If it wasn't sad, it would be funny.

Amnesty was a Regan thing. I wasn't old enough back then to really like it or not, but if Bush had done it, I would have been pissed. We should NEVER give amnesty for people that sneak into our country illegally. It's like giving people a warning for DUI's it just encourages MORE DUI's. Why the fuck would anyone want to go thru the hassle, process, and cost of doing it right.. when you can sneak in for free! Work visa's I do agree with. They make perfect sense. So does securing our border.

The first Bush didn't have a Republican house, or Senate. So no luck there. The second... He had Congress for most of his term, but only the Senate for the first half. And those years he was dealing with the fallout of 9/11. Do you REALLY think he could have pushed anything tough through a Dem held Senate on immigration? I do fault Bush for not fixing the Immigration issue when he had the chance. Course, with the Clinton bad economy, and 9/11... he had a full plate.

[Gelston]

I agree with amnesty at certain times. A kid that was brought here illegally when he was 2 and grew up here, went to school here, etc shouldn't be shipped to Mexico.

[cwolff]

The first Bush didn't have a Republican house, or Senate. So no luck there. The second... He had Congress for most of his term, but only the Senate for the first half. And those years he was dealing with the fallout of 9/11. Do you REALLY think he could have pushed anything tough through a Dem held Senate on immigration? I do fault Bush for not fixing the Immigration issue when he had the chance. Course, with the Clinton bad economy, and 9/11... he had a full plate.

He didn't have to. McCain had a bi-partisan plan. It exploded over the course of one weekend when right wing radio got a hold of it. They called it amnesty. Rubio also had a plan. He may have been able to get somewhere with it especially considering his GOP credentials and multi-cultural appeal. Unfortunately the right killed that too.

[Warriorbird]

Like always.. you can't answer a question. Why are all Liberals like you and Back. Ask you guys a question, and you say how bad the "other side" is instead. If it wasn't sad, it would be funny.

Amnesty was a Regan thing. I wasn't old enough back then to really like it or not, but if Bush had done it, I would have been pissed. We should NEVER give amnesty for people that sneak into our country illegally. It's like giving people a warning for DUI's it just encourages MORE DUI's. Why the fuck would anyone want to go thru the hassle, process, and cost of doing it right.. when you can sneak in for free! Work visa's I do agree with. They make perfect sense. So does securing our border.

The first Bush didn't have a Republican house, or Senate. So no luck there. The second... He had Congress for most of his term, but only the Senate for the first half. And those years he was dealing with the fallout of 9/11. Do you REALLY think he could have pushed anything tough through a Dem held Senate on immigration? I do fault Bush for not fixing the Immigration issue when he had the chance. Course, with the Clinton bad economy, and 9/11... he had a full plate.

It's interesting how you'd complain about questioning when using them as trolling/avoidance is precisely why I phrased my post the way I did. Then again you don't actually talk to people, you're talking to "liberals" so I can't even really take anything you say seriously.

Your complaint about Republican immigration policy would make sense if Mexico actually had the rule of law. The difference between paying a coyote to let you across the border and bribing officials to escape Tijuana is usually just that the officials cost more.

You only mentioned the first Bush (which I never mentioned) to attempt to detract from just how bad your "Dubya dealt with the fallout from 9-11" point was.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_...ol_of_Congress

Seems like he had control for a little bit longer than just 9-11.

He didn't have to. McCain had a bi-partisan plan. It exploded over the course of one weekend when right wing radio got a hold of it. They called it amnesty. Rubio also had a plan. He may have been able to get somewhere with it especially considering his GOP credentials and multi-cultural appeal. Unfortunately the right killed that too.

Pretty much indeed. Because damnit, those poor people really should bribe corrupt officials properly!

[Parkbandit]

Only if you tell me some more good fairy tales about tort reform reducing healthcare costs, amnesty and work visas being good until Obama proposed it, and tax cuts creating revenue. Then tell me how illegal immigration was a huge priority when Republicans had the White House and Congress. I also want to hear about how deregulation protected the Gulf Coast from oil spills. Then we can to a cost benefit analysis of government subsidies yet have it explained how Democratic subsidies are bad. There are precious few other "conservative" ideas.

What?

You are the one that stated that the GOP offers no positive solutions.

I'm simply asking for some examples, because I honestly can't think of any liberal plans that work better than conservative ones.

[Latrinsorm]

What?

You are the one that stated that the GOP offers no positive solutions.

I'm simply asking for some examples, because I honestly can't think of any liberal plans that work better than conservative ones.

Whatever it was that President Obama did to pull us out of the recession.