NAACP Protests Racist Voter ID Laws

[cwolff]

Yeah. Fuck all the deployed members of the military.

Exactly right. They can't be verified with photo identification so who knows what's going on with those ballots. If someone is interested in defending the integrity of our elections from personal fraud, they better start with the absentee/mail ins.

Of course, no one is actually interested in this to protect us from fraud. They just want to make it more difficult to vote.

[Taernath]

My vote wasn't counted in 2008.

[Latrinsorm]

The race argument for voter ID is pure bullshit btw. Everyone including democrats know this.

Do you seriously believe that voter ID laws are based in racism?

You have misunderstood the argument. It doesn't matter what the voter ID laws are based in, their effect is racial discrimination. The Constitution doesn't say "the government shall do its best not to intentionally abridge the right to vote", it says "the right to vote shall not be abridged" on the basis of race.

I think it's more instructive to look at why you have responded the way you have. It would be very difficult to demonstrate empirically that people clamoring for voter ID laws were consciously racist, both because that's a hard quantity to demonstrate and more importantly because most of those people aren't. It's comforting to think that IF you aren't consciously racist THEN you can't be racist, but I regret to inform you that that is not the case for any of us. This is precisely why we need to put the effort in to measure results, rather than just idly theorizing about intentions.

eta: Bottom line, you can have the truth if and only if you put in effort to find it.

[Parkbandit]

Exactly right. They can't be verified with photo identification so who knows what's going on with those ballots. If someone is interested in defending the integrity of our elections from personal fraud, they better start with the absentee/mail ins.

Of course, no one is actually interested in this to protect us from fraud. They just want to make it more difficult to vote.

I think anyone who casts a vote should be required to identify themselves.

Anyone.

There goes your idiotic argument. Stick with "OMG U R RACIST".. and hope it hurts my feelings enough to claim the win.. it's pretty much all you have at this point.

[Gelston]

Exactly right. They can't be verified with photo identification so who knows what's going on with those ballots. If someone is interested in defending the integrity of our elections from personal fraud, they better start with the absentee/mail ins.

Of course, no one is actually interested in this to protect us from fraud. They just want to make it more difficult to vote.

But they are verified. Have you ever voted absentee while in the military?

[waywardgs]

I think anyone who casts a vote should be required to identify themselves.

Anyone.

There goes your idiotic argument. Stick with "OMG U R RACIST".. and hope it hurts my feelings enough to claim the win.. it's pretty much all you have at this point.

So what would you do to verify absentee ballots?

[waywardgs]

But they are verified. Have you ever voted absentee while in the military?

How? I'm curious.

[Gelston]

So what would you do to verify absentee ballots?

When I voted via absentee, it required it be notarized and the only notaries around were the commissioned officers we served under. Of course, every absentee ballot I ever got was hilariously late, so I put in some interesting candidate write ins.

There is also a nifty registration process.

[Latrinsorm]

When I voted via absentee, it required it be notarized and the only notaries around were the commissioned officers we served under. Of course, every absentee ballot I ever got was hilariously late, so I put in some interesting candidate write ins.

There is also a nifty registration process.

Nice try, but commissioned military officers are famously lax with rules and regulations. I heard one guy wrote "Mickey Mouse and the entire Raiders team and a bunch of dead people etc." as his name on his absentee ballot and a second lieutenant notarized it with his combination stamp-bong without even blinking, which he probably should have because his eyes were really red for some reason. Fact.

[cwolff]

But they are verified. Have you ever voted absentee while in the military?

Not in the military but I have done absentee voting. It required nothing more than asking ahead of time for a mail-in ballot. The last one I did was for local elections and I just signed it and dropped it off at the local polling station. Not sure why yours had to be notarized. Someone in Santa Cruz Bolivia will have a tough time getting their ballot notarized. They'd have to go up to the embassy in La Paz for that. I just looked it up and it seems that the requirement for notarization is a state by state requirement.

Today I don't think you'd have to have it notarized. Looks like they fixed that in 2010:

Most of these new procedures were implemented by the November 2010 general election. As amended by the MOVE Act, UOCAVA now requires state officials to:

provide UOCAVA voters with an option to request and receive voter registration and absentee ballot applications by electronic transmissions and establish electronic transmission options for delivery of blank absentee ballots to UOCAVA voters;

transmit validly-requested absentee ballots to UOCAVA voters no later than 45 days before an election for a federal office, when the request has been received by that date, except where an undue hardship waiver is approved by the Department of Defense for that election;

take steps to ensure that electronic transmission procedures protect the security of the balloting process and the privacy of the identity and personal data of UOCAVA voters using the procedures;

expand the acceptance of the Federal Write-In Absentee Ballot to all elections for federal office beginning December 31, 2010;

accept otherwise valid voter registration applications, absentee ballot applications, voted ballots, or Federal Write-In Absentee Ballots without regard to state notarization requirements, or restrictions on paper type, or envelope type;

and allow UOCAVA voters to track the receipt of their absentee ballots through a free access system.