More Obamacare fuckups

[Tgo01]

I don't think you gave this idea a fair shake because it doesn't mesh with what you want to think or your politics.

That's awfully ironic don't you think?

So far I have seen nothing presented from anyone stating that this woman was wrong or is lying or blah blah blah. The closest thing we have is the insurance regulator for the state (which I'll admit probably knows more than you or me) stating her story is not impossible but he's "skeptical."

I'm supposed to ignore this lady's version of events and ignore the fact that this guy said her version of events is possible and just take his skepticism as gospel? I don't even take real gospel as gospel.

[cwolff]

That's awfully ironic don't you think?

So far I have seen nothing presented from anyone stating that this woman was wrong or is lying or blah blah blah. The closest thing we have is the insurance regulator for the state (which I'll admit probably knows more than you or me) stating her story is not impossible but he's "skeptical."

I'm supposed to ignore this lady's version of events and ignore the fact that this guy said her version of events is possible and just take his skepticism as gospel? I don't even take real gospel as gospel.

Don't ignore her version of events. She has no fucking idea what she's talking about because she got all her information from being upsold by her own insurance carrier. She even refuses to check prices online. Doesn't stop her and her rep from using her experience as an example of ACA not working though.

[Tgo01]

Don't ignore her version of events. She has no fucking idea what she's talking about because she got all her information from being upsold by her own insurance carrier. She even refuses to check prices online. Doesn't stop her and her rep from using her experience as an example of ACA not working though.

I'll admit she should have at least shopped around to see what other options were out there but that doesn't necessarily mean there would have been a better offer out there.

What's with this "upsold" talk I keep seeing anyways? Sounds like that's just lamestream media spin. The article you linked earlier basically even admits this!

But the “nearly $700 per month” increase in her premium that McMorris Rodgers cited in Tuesday night’s GOP response to the State of the Union address was based on one of the pricier options, a $1,200-a-month replacement plan that was pitched by Asuris Northwest to Grenier and her husband, Don.

Yet at the verrrrrry bottom:

An earlier version of this story described the $1,200 replacement plan as the priciest option, but Grenier contacted the newspaper after the article was published to say she had looked over her paperwork again and wanted to point out that there was an even more expensive plan offered by her carrier, which would have been $1,679 per month, she said.

So wait, what? Who is the one saying this was the "pricier" option available to her? How is everyone an expert on what this woman went through? How is everyone but this woman an expert on this woman and the health insurance policies available to her?

[cwolff]

The carriers who sent cancellation notices also used the notice as a chance to sell the person a new ACA compatible plan. This is where the upselling comes into play. It's not illegal what they did, but they touted their more profitable products when they did this. They also didn't do a good job or maybe didn't even do any job, informing people of where they can shop online. This caused a lot of the stories we heard in October about people losing coverage and their new plan is so much more expensive.

[Jarvan]

Maybe this will help:

So that article says that Mike Kreidler knows exactly what her current plan is, including every detail, and also knows exactly what plan they offered her, he also has her IRS records handy so he knows if she qualifies for a subsidy or not.

You know, maybe I was wrong about all this.. if a State Insurance commissioner knows every fucking detail of every possible plan off the top of his head for his state, AND has access to illegal IRS data, then Sure, I guess he would know.

Sadly.. that isn't the case. I mean.. he could maybe not understand it if there was a plan that cost 250 a month, but was SHIT compared to what she had, but that isn't what you nor he are implying. You are implying that there is an ACA plan almost identical for a lot less. I won't believe that till I see proof.

[Latrinsorm]

So that article says that Mike Kreidler knows exactly what her current plan is, including every detail, and also knows exactly what plan they offered her, he also has her IRS records handy so he knows if she qualifies for a subsidy or not.

You know, maybe I was wrong about all this.. if a State Insurance commissioner knows every fucking detail of every possible plan off the top of his head for his state, AND has access to illegal IRS data, then Sure, I guess he would know.

Sadly.. that isn't the case. I mean.. he could maybe not understand it if there was a plan that cost 250 a month, but was SHIT compared to what she had, but that isn't what you nor he are implying. You are implying that there is an ACA plan almost identical for a lot less. I won't believe that till I see proof.

But you will take some random lady on her word?

[Parkbandit]

As I said when SCOTUS approved this law as a tax, let the thing crash under its own stupidity. Pass a bill that we won't offer 1 penny to bail it out when it crashes. GOP problem solved.

[Atlanteax]

Many workers may opt to work less to retain their eligibility for Medicaid or federal subsidies under Obamacare, a new report has found

http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthrea...89#post1629489

Absolutely *fantastic* ... encourage people to work just the minimum that they need to without jeopardizing their hands-outs.

[Atlanteax]

Obamacare is *so bad* Obama is volunteering to stay away from Democrats campaigning for election.

(CNN) -- President Barack Obama has told Senate Democrats that he's willing to stay away from election battles where his presence would not be helpful, a Democratic source said -- an apparent nod to his poll numbers.

A number of Democratic senators facing tough re-elections this year seem to be anything but excited to have the President join them on the campaign trail.

Sen. Mark Begich, a Democrat from red-state Alaska who faces a challenging bid for second term in the Senate, told CNN last week that "I'm not really interested in campaigning" with Obama if the President came to Alaska, he said.

http://www.cnn.com/2014/02/06/politi...html?hpt=hp_t2

Wow, even Democrat Politicans are saying "NObama"

[Tgo01]

He's "willing" to stay away? Like they need his permission to not campaign with them or something?

At this point Obama sounds like a junkie. "I need my campaign fix, man! I haven't run for office in two years!!!"