Climate Change "Controversy"

[Jarvan]

I'm not sure you understand the scientific world.


At all.

My point is that in the scientific world I believe in and follows my views, there IS no more debate.

There PB, fixed it so you can understand what he means.

[waywardgs]

So point me in the right direction. Fox News doesn't count.

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[Tgo01]

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[Ashliana]

I have no issue with you at all. I just think your worldview is so decidedly skewed you are bat shit crazy and closed to any rational discussion about it. You can quote the extremists all you want to me, it doesn't mean a whole party follows that mindset.

That'd be like me quoting a democrat saying too many people on an island can cause it to capsize means all democrats believe that. Or because a republican says a woman's body can reject rape means all republicans believe it to be so. Anthony Weiner was a prominent democrat, do you believe everything he says? What about Carlos Danger?

Anywho, good luck with that perspective.

Yeah, same to you. Good luck with characterizing all the mainstream Republicans who did well in the nomination process as "the extremists." Although, that is correct, I suppose, in the sense that Republicans are more extremist than ever. Like I said, those are your party's prominent leaders. And crazy they are, indeed.

Funny, I don't remember Weiner being a major contender for a Democratic national primary, unlike 90% of the Republican candidates, which are (and remain) totally batshit insane, and remain GOP governors and senators. And it's not just them--They weren't outliers. They supported the policies that the entire party is working towards. And Inhofe is not an ostracized pariah of the GOP--he's a celebrated, tenured figurehead of the party that's been serving in both the Senate and House for the GOP since the 1980's.

Your entire "argument" has consisted of "Nuh uh, what you're describing would be extremist! Therefore, you must be incorrect, and an extremist yourself!" Yeah, no. Your party is composed almost entirely of climate-change deniers, almost all of whom claimed in the last election that global warming is "a hoax," and there readily available quotes of each candidate (and dozens of GOP lawmakers) saying precisely that.

Don't like your party? Again, your problem is with your party. Not some stranger on an Internet forum.

Bachmann: " ... carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn’t one such study because carbon dioxide is not a harmful gas, it is a harmless gas." "[Global warming is] “voodoo, nonsense, hokum, a hoax."
Santorum: "Who is he [Gingrich] or who's Governor Romney to be able to go after President Obama? I've never supported even the hoax of global warming."
Perry: "A substantial number of scientists [have] manipulated data to keep the money rolling in." "I do believe the issue of global warming has been politicized." "Yes, our climate has changed. It has been changing ever since the Earth was formed. But I do not buy into a group of scientists who have, in some cases, have been found to be manipulating data."
Trump: This very expensive GLOBAL WARMING bullshit has got to stop. Our planet is freezing, record low temps,and our GW scientists are stuck in ice
Cain: "Manmade global warming is poppycock." "Look, if people look at the real data, the climate had varied ever since we’ve known that the planet is here."
Romney: "My view is that we don't know what's causing climate change on this planet." Of course, in true Romney fashion, he flip-flopped on climate change several times.

Want to keep going? Because there are clips of almost every major GOP player saying equally ignorant horseshit. These aren't "Anthony Wieners of the Republican party," your delusional and ignorant mischaracterization aside.

[Tgo01]

Funny, I don't remember Weiner being a major contender for a Democratic national primary

Mayor of NYC is kind of a big deal and for a while he was polling the highest.

[Ashliana]

Mayor of NYC is kind of a big deal.

What is the point of this post? Are you really comparing him to the totally batshit insane Republican candidates your party seriously considered last election?

Weiner was a one-term House member, and put in an unsuccessful candidacy for Democratic nominee for NYC mayor, who lost out miserably to de Blasio, the candidate and eventual Democratic winner. The only reason he's known at all are for his asinine sexual escapades--he never had any particularly interesting political positions.

And again, these aren't outlier positions. Nearly all the major players--Boehner, Cantor, McConnell, hold the very same opinions.

Boehner: "... the idea that carbon dioxide is a carcinogen that is harmful to our environment is almost comical. Every time we exhale, we exhale carbon dioxide. Every cow in the world, you know, when they do what they do, you’ve got more carbon dioxide.."

McConnell: As recently as 30-35 years ago we were worried about the globe getting too cold,” McConnell said. “I suppose over decades and maybe centuries weíll figure this out."

Cantor: "If there’s been any constant in human history, it’s been climate change. The real question is the severity of that and the involvement of human causes in all of that."

There's either scientific denialism or embrace of pseudo-scientific (or even religious) statements on record for almost every contemporary Republican. Again, these aren't outlier positions of a few isolated whack-jobs. They're almost all whackjobs. There's no false equivalency here. One party is clearly anti-science, anti-empiricism, on the issue of global warming, and it's very clearly due to the corrupting influence of the oil industry lobby.

[Tgo01]

What is the point of this post? Are you really comparing him to the totally batshit insane Republican candidates your party seriously considered last election?

Not comparing anything. You tried to make the claim that Weiner wasn't prominent even though he ran for mayor of NYC and for a while he was polling quite well. In fact it wasn't until the Carlos Danger thing came out that his poll numbers started taking a dive.

[Ashliana]

Not comparing anything. You tried to make the claim that Weiner wasn't prominent even though he ran for mayor of NYC and for a while he was polling quite well. In fact it wasn't until the Carlos Danger thing came out that his poll numbers started taking a dive.

SHM brought him up as a strawman, but true to form, the comparison makes absolutely no sense. Weiner was only a pariah because of his sexual escapades--not his crazy policy positions, he was never popular on the national stage (the only national news he got was because of his sexting exploits, and later continuation of them). Weiner never had any particularly note-worthy policy positions.

The Republicans on the other hand, all share equally insane policy positions when it comes to climate change. They're not pariahs--the GOP Speaker of the House, Majority Whip, Senate Minority leader, GOP platform, every Fox pundit, all share the same, totally insane, anti-scientific positions on climate change. Almost entirely without fail.

SMH wants to pretend I'm taking an extremist, out of context, and portraying the entire party with the same brush, which is absurd on its face. The entire party, including the last GOP presidential nominee, holds the very same positions.

[waywardgs]

Here's a cursory list of international organization that hold the crazy position that climate change is real and has been caused by human actions:


Academia Chilena de Ciencias, Chile
Academia das Ciencias de Lisboa, Portugal
Academia de Ciencias de la República Dominicana
Academia de Ciencias Físicas, Matemáticas y Naturales de Venezuela
Academia de Ciencias Medicas, Fisicas y Naturales de Guatemala
Academia Mexicana de Ciencias,Mexico
Academia Nacional de Ciencias de Bolivia
Academia Nacional de Ciencias del Peru
Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Académie des Sciences, France
Academies of Arts, Humanities and Sciences of Canada
Academy of Athens
Academy of Science of Mozambique
Academy of Science of South Africa
Academy of Sciences for the Developing World (TWAS)
Academy of Sciences Malaysia
Academy of Sciences of Moldova
Academy of Sciences of the Czech Republic
Academy of Sciences of the Islamic Republic of Iran
Academy of Scientific Research and Technology, Egypt
Academy of the Royal Society of New Zealand
Accademia Nazionale dei Lincei, Italy
Africa Centre for Climate and Earth Systems Science
African Academy of Sciences
Albanian Academy of Sciences
Amazon Environmental Research Institute
American Academy of Pediatrics
American Anthropological Association
American Association for the Advancement of Science
American Association of State Climatologists (AASC)
American Association of Wildlife Veterinarians
American Astronomical Society
American Chemical Society
American College of Preventive Medicine
American Fisheries Society
American Geophysical Union
American Institute of Biological Sciences
American Institute of Physics
American Meteorological Society
American Physical Society
American Public Health Association
American Quaternary Association
American Society for Microbiology
American Society of Agronomy
American Society of Civil Engineers
American Society of Plant Biologists
American Statistical Association
Association of Ecosystem Research Centers
Australian Academy of Science
Australian Bureau of Meteorology
Australian Coral Reef Society
Australian Institute of Marine Science
Australian Institute of Physics
Australian Marine Sciences Association
Australian Medical Association
Australian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Bangladesh Academy of Sciences
Botanical Society of America
Brazilian Academy of Sciences
British Antarctic Survey
Bulgarian Academy of Sciences
California Academy of Sciences
Cameroon Academy of Sciences
Canadian Association of Physicists
Canadian Foundation for Climate and Atmospheric Sciences
Canadian Geophysical Union
Canadian Meteorological and Oceanographic Society
Canadian Society of Soil Science
Canadian Society of Zoologists
Caribbean Academy of Sciences views
Center for International Forestry Research
Chinese Academy of Sciences
Colombian Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences
Commonwealth Scientific and Industrial Research Organization (CSIRO) (Australia)
Consultative Group on International Agricultural Research
Croatian Academy of Arts and Sciences
Crop Science Society of America
Cuban Academy of Sciences
Delegation of the Finnish Academies of Science and Letters
Ecological Society of America
Ecological Society of Australia
Environmental Protection Agency
European Academy of Sciences and Arts
European Federation of Geologists
European Geosciences Union
European Physical Society
European Science Foundation
Federation of American Scientists
French Academy of Sciences
Geological Society of America
Geological Society of Australia
Geological Society of London
Georgian Academy of Sciences
German Academy of Natural Scientists Leopoldina
Ghana Academy of Arts and Sciences
Indian National Science Academy
Indonesian Academy of Sciences
Institute of Ecology and Environmental Management
Institute of Marine Engineering, Science and Technology
Institute of Professional Engineers New Zealand
Institution of Mechanical Engineers, UK
InterAcademy Council
International Alliance of Research Universities
International Arctic Science Committee
International Association for Great Lakes Research
International Council for Science
International Council of Academies of Engineering and Technological Sciences
International Research Institute for Climate and Society
International Union for Quaternary Research
International Union of Geodesy and Geophysics
International Union of Pure and Applied Physics
Islamic World Academy of Sciences
Israel Academy of Sciences and Humanities
Kenya National Academy of Sciences
Korean Academy of Science and Technology
Kosovo Academy of Sciences and Arts
l'Académie des Sciences et Techniques du Sénégal
Latin American Academy of Sciences
Latvian Academy of Sciences
Lithuanian Academy of Sciences
Madagascar National Academy of Arts, Letters, and Sciences
Mauritius Academy of Science and Technology
Montenegrin Academy of Sciences and Arts
National Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences, Argentina
National Academy of Sciences of Armenia
National Academy of Sciences of the Kyrgyz Republic
National Academy of Sciences, Sri Lanka
National Academy of Sciences, United States of America
National Aeronautics and Space Administration
National Association of Geoscience Teachers
National Association of State Foresters
National Center for Atmospheric Research
National Council of Engineers Australia
National Institute of Water & Atmospheric Research, New Zealand
National Oceanic and Atmospheric Administration
National Research Council
National Science Foundation
Natural England
Natural Environment Research Council, UK
Natural Science Collections Alliance
Network of African Science Academies
New York Academy of Sciences
Nicaraguan Academy of Sciences
Nigerian Academy of Sciences
Norwegian Academy of Sciences and Letters
Oklahoma Climatological Survey
Organization of Biological Field Stations
Pakistan Academy of Sciences
Palestine Academy for Science and Technology
Pew Center on Global Climate Change
Polish Academy of Sciences
Romanian Academy
Royal Academies for Science and the Arts of Belgium
Royal Academy of Exact, Physical and Natural Sciences of Spain
Royal Astronomical Society, UK
Royal Danish Academy of Sciences and Letters
Royal Irish Academy
Royal Meteorological Society (UK)
Royal Netherlands Academy of Arts and Sciences
Royal Netherlands Institute for Sea Research
Royal Scientific Society of Jordan
Royal Society of Canada
Royal Society of Chemistry, UK
Royal Society of the United Kingdom
Royal Swedish Academy of Sciences
Russian Academy of Sciences
Science and Technology, Australia
Science Council of Japan
Scientific Committee on Antarctic Research
Scientific Committee on Solar-Terrestrial Physics
Scripps Institution of Oceanography
Serbian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Slovak Academy of Sciences
Slovenian Academy of Sciences and Arts
Society for Ecological Restoration International
Society for Industrial and Applied Mathematics
Society of American Foresters
Society of Biology (UK)
Society of Biology, UK
Society of Systematic Biologists
Soil Science Society of America
Sudan Academy of Sciences
Sudanese National Academy of Science
Tanzania Academy of Sciences
The Wildlife Society (international)
Turkish Academy of Sciences
Uganda National Academy of Sciences
Union of German Academies of Sciences and Humanities
United Nations Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change
University Corporation for Atmospheric Research
Woods Hole Oceanographic Institution
World Association of Zoos and Aquariums
World Federation of Public Health Associations
World Forestry Congress
World Health Organization
World Meteorological Organization
Zambia Academy of Sciences
Zimbabwe Academy of Sciences

http://opr.ca.gov/s_listoforganizations.php


If you're interested, here are some more American scientific organizations, I'm sure all of whom are in the pocket of... um.. Big Green...

http://climate.nasa.gov/scientific-consensus

AMERICAN SCIENTIFIC SOCIETIES

Statement on climate change from 18 scientific associations

"Observations throughout the world make it clear that climate change is occurring, and rigorous scientific research demonstrates that the greenhouse gases emitted by human activities are the primary driver." (2009)2
AAAS emblem

American Association for the Advancement of Science

"The scientific evidence is clear: global climate change caused by human activities is occurring now, and it is a growing threat to society." (2006)3
ACS emblem

American Chemical Society

"Comprehensive scientific assessments of our current and potential future climates clearly indicate that climate change is real, largely attributable to emissions from human activities, and potentially a very serious problem." (2004)4
AGU emblem

American Geophysical Union

"Human‐induced climate change requires urgent action. Humanity is the major influence on the global climate change observed over the past 50 years. Rapid societal responses can significantly lessen negative outcomes." (Adopted 2003, revised and reaffirmed 2007, 2012, 2013)5
AMA emblem

American Medical Association

"Our AMA ... supports the findings of the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change’s fourth assessment report and concurs with the scientific consensus that the Earth is undergoing adverse global climate change and that anthropogenic contributions are significant." (2013)6
AMS emblem

American Meteorological Society

"It is clear from extensive scientific evidence that the dominant cause of the rapid change in climate of the past half century is human-induced increases in the amount of atmospheric greenhouse gases, including carbon dioxide (CO2), chlorofluorocarbons, methane, and nitrous oxide." (2012)7
APS emblem

American Physical Society

"The evidence is incontrovertible: Global warming is occurring. If no mitigating actions are taken, significant disruptions in the Earth’s physical and ecological systems, social systems, security and human health are likely to occur. We must reduce emissions of greenhouse gases beginning now." (2007)8
GSA emblem

The Geological Society of America

"The Geological Society of America (GSA) concurs with assessments by the National Academies of Science (2005), the National Research Council (2006), and the Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change (IPCC, 2007) that global climate has warmed and that human activities (mainly greenhouse‐gas emissions) account for most of the warming since the middle 1900s." (2006; revised 2010)9

SCIENCE ACADEMIES

International academies: Joint statement

"Climate change is real. There will always be uncertainty in understanding a system as complex as the world’s climate. However there is now strong evidence that significant global warming is occurring. The evidence comes from direct measurements of rising surface air temperatures and subsurface ocean temperatures and from phenomena such as increases in average global sea levels, retreating glaciers, and changes to many physical and biological systems. It is likely that most of the warming in recent decades can be attributed to human activities (IPCC 2001)." (2005, 11 international science academies)10
USNAS emblem
U.S. National Academy of Sciences

"The scientific understanding of climate change is now sufficiently clear to justify taking steps to reduce the amount of greenhouse gases in the atmosphere." (2005)11



U.S. GOVERNMENT AGENCIES

USGCRP emblem
U.S. Global Change Research Program

"The global warming of the past 50 years is due primarily to human-induced increases in heat-trapping gases. Human 'fingerprints' also have been identified in many other aspects of the climate system, including changes in ocean heat content, precipitation, atmospheric moisture, and Arctic sea ice." (2009, 13 U.S. government departments and agencies)12



INTERGOVERNMENTAL BODIES

IPCC emblem
Intergovernmental Panel on Climate Change

“Warming of the climate system is unequivocal, as is now evident from observations of increases in global average air and ocean temperatures, widespread melting of snow and ice, and rising global average sea level.”13

“Most of the observed increase in global average temperatures since the mid-20th century is very likely* due to the observed increase in anthropogenic greenhouse gas concentrations.”14

*IPCC defines ‘very likely’ as greater than 90 percent probability of occurrence.



Now because I'm sure all of these organizations are to the last man trying to snow us all, can anyone provide me with a list of noted academics and scientists who are staunchly against the notion of ACC? I'd love to see something like that.