More Obamacare fuckups

[Thondalar]

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/theapoth...idual-mandate/

We'll go with Republicans talking in two outlets of conservative media for 1000, please, Alex.

And I must've not noticed you saying it before. My deepest apologies.

ADDITIONAL NOTE:



The cute bit about Heritage's attempted defense under Butler?

You can buy catastrophic.

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IN FURTHER RESPONSE TO A FORBES ARTICLE UPDATE (that a lot of you probably won't read)

Enthoven? Totally a conservative too and Heritage put it out past the state/academic level.

I would direct you to Heritage Foundation's own response to those like yourself who attempt to mislead with partial truths:

"Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids)"


I ask you again...can you directly quote which parts of the ACA are directly from the Heritage Foundation's proposal? Since it's such a huge part of it, according to you, it shouldn't be difficult.

[Warriorbird]

I would direct you to Heritage Foundation's own response to those like yourself who attempt to mislead with partial truths:

"Heritage policy experts never supported an unqualified mandate like that in the PPACA [ObamaCare]. Their prior support for a qualified mandate was limited to catastrophic coverage (true insurance that is precisely what the PPACA forbids)"

If you actually had read the article or the quotes you wouldn't have made this post.

[Thondalar]

If you actually had read the article or the quotes you wouldn't have made this post.

That quote is from your posted article, so...try again.

[Warriorbird]

That quote is from your posted article, so...try again.

It's funny how you talk about partial truths and neglect oh, 99.9% of the discussion.

Here's a refresher. As a hint since you didn't really read the article (except for quote picking for some reductive nonsense), Stuart wrote Heritage's proposal.

Stuart says that Heritage’s version of the individual mandate contained “three critical features” that distinguish it from Obamacare’s mandate: (1) it required people to buy catastrophic coverage, rather than more expensive comprehensive coverage; (2) it was primarily financed “through the carrot of a generous health credit or voucher…rather than by a stick”; (3) Heritage’s mandate “was actually the loss of certain tax breaks…not a legal requirement.”

In fairness to Heritage’s critics, it’s worth pointing out that: (1) Heritage proposed the individual mandate in 1989, well before Bill and Hillary Clinton were on anyone’s political radar screen; (2) Obamacare and Romneycare both finance individual insurance purchases through generous vouchers (via the exchanges); (3) Obamacare’s mandate is “enforced,” weakly, by withholding tax refunds.

Today, there is near-unanimity on the right that the individual mandate is an egregious violation of individual liberty. But liberal critics are right to point out that that wasn’t always true. Based on my research, I see no contravening evidence to the claim that Stuart Butler and Heritage were the first people to advocate the individual mandate, in the context of a private-sector health-care system.

EDIT:

Added note. All I claimed was that the individual mandate originated with them. The rest? You're spinning hard. It's funny for a libertarian "defender of the truth".

[Thondalar]

It's funny how you talk about partial truths and neglect oh, 99.9% of the discussion.

Here's a refresher. As a hint since you didn't really read the article...

I didn't read the article, yet I linked you a quote directly from the article I didn't read. Makes perfect sense.

EDIT:

Added note. All I claimed was that the individual mandate originated with them. The rest? You're spinning hard. It's funny for a libertarian "defender of the truth".

If only you guys would froth so hard about all Heritage Foundation crafted policies.

How is it that we have a Republican organization that wrote this plan yet people only freaked out on it when Obama pushed it?

We have his healthcare plan (stolen from Republicans)

The Heritage Foundation wrote what was adapted into the Newt Gingrich and Bob Dole healthcare plans.

Those plans were blatantly stolen by Mitt Romney.

Romney's plan was stolen almost entirely by Obama.

If you want to be obtuse (which you and they do), the Heritage Foundation didn't personally write Obama's plan, but they'd have a solid case for plagiarism or theft of intellectual property in any college, think tank, or court in the land

Sooo...these quotes from you in this thread, you were talking about ONLY the individual mandate portion of Obamacare, you weren't saying that the majority of the ACA was stolen from the Heritage Foundation? Only the Individual Mandate for Catastrophic Coverage, which is not even in Obamacare...but regardless, you were talking about ONLY the idea of an individual mandate, without reference to why? Huh. An odd point to harp on about so much, but hey...if that was your intention, I'm sorry I misunderstood.

[Wrathbringer]

I didn't read the article, yet I linked you a quote directly from the article I didn't read. Makes perfect sense.

Sooo...these quotes from you in this thread, you were talking about ONLY the individual mandate portion of Obamacare, you weren't saying that the majority of the ACA was stolen from the Heritage Foundation? Only the Individual Mandate for Catastrophic Coverage, which is not even in Obamacare...but regardless, you were talking about ONLY the idea of an individual mandate, without reference to why? Huh. An odd point to harp on about so much, but hey...if that was your intention, I'm sorry I misunderstood.

<sigh> If only men were angels then we wouldn't need a government run by these same men who are not angels. When will you learn, Thondalar?

[Atlanteax]

Apparently WB refuses to admit that he dug himself a hole.

[Atlanteax]

Heh...
http://politicalticker.blogs.cnn.com...how/?hpt=hp_t2

Internal notes show paltry initial enrollment in Obamacare
Washington (CNN) - Six people.
That's how many Americans had successfully enrolled in the federal health care exchange by the morning of October 2, according to documents provided to the House Oversight and Government Reform Committee.

This made me laugh:
http://money.cnn.com/2013/11/01/smal...html?hpt=hp_t2

The risqué performance was part of an Obamacare registration drive last week in San Francisco, dubbed the "Healthy Ho's Party."
Organized by "Siouxsie Q," a Bay Area sex worker, the event was meant to encourage other sex workers to enroll in the new insurance exchanges. It was a rousing success: Nearly 40 men and women attended and almost all of them filed enrollment paperwork.

Figures that prostitutes would gain the most from Obamacare...

Maybe this is why it is a "special interests" legislation?

[Warriorbird]

Apparently WB refuses to admit that he dug himself a hole.

Right up there with you being obsessed with me and trying desperately to pretend the Heritage Foundation didn't make the individual mandate that you QQ about.

You're intellectually dishonest. I get it. I used to think more of the University of Michigan.

[Parkbandit]

Right up there with you being obsessed with me and trying desperately to pretend the Heritage Foundation didn't make the individual mandate that you QQ about.

You're intellectually dishonest. I get it. I used to think more of the University of Michigan.

lololol