More Obamacare fuckups

[cwolff]

Then, in the spirit of bipartisan peace and harmony.. how about this:

We scrap the ACA version and fully implement the Paul Ryan plan. I mean, since the plans are so similar and basically the same, I am certain that would be a proposal you would endorse.. right?

Get elected and make it happen.

[Parkbandit]

Get elected and make it happen.

You don't have Congressional representation where you live? If I were you and I honestly believed that both plans are the same, why wouldn't you write your Senators and House Representative and offer such a proposal? It really is that simple and if both are as similar as you suggest, they probably only have to change a word or two in the Law to put it into effect.

Win/Win!

[cwolff]

You don't have Congressional representation where you live? If I were you and I honestly believed that both plans are the same, why wouldn't you write your Senators and House Representative and offer such a proposal? It really is that simple and if both are as similar as you suggest, they probably only have to change a word or two in the Law to put it into effect.

Win/Win!

Why are you so into this as a competition? I made some valid points and even put up a quote from Newt and Mitt going back and forth about who invented the Individual Mandate. Instead of reading that and recognizing that this is a conservative idea, you try to dissemble. Is your ego so firmly attached to your politics? Open your eyes man. If you have a reasonable counterpoint then express it. Otherwise you're just engaging in conversation at a lower and lower intellectual level and it's a waste of time.

[Tgo01]

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See the problem is we only dumped almost 700 million into this thing. We should have pumped 10 billion into it then maybe we would be seeing some results.

[Parkbandit]

Why are you so into this as a competition? I made some valid points and even put up a quote from Newt and Mitt going back and forth about who invented the Individual Mandate. Instead of reading that and recognizing that this is a conservative idea, you try to dissemble. Is your ego so firmly attached to your politics? Open your eyes man. If you have a reasonable counterpoint then express it.

Competition? I'm offering a bipartisan solution to this healthcare problem!

You contend that The Affordable Care Act is essentially the same plan as the Paul Ryan plan. Republicans obviously hate the ACA because they are all racist rednecks, but will back the Paul Ryan plan because he's white.

Why not change a couple words to change the ACA into the PRP (RYANCARE!!!) and get to the goal you claim you want... affordable care for everyone!? Isn't that the important part.. or do you believe it will only be successful if it's termed "Obamacare"?

I don't understand why don't like this idea.

Otherwise you're just engaging in conversation at a lower and lower intellectual level and it's a waste of time.

I always try to engage in the type of conversation that I believe my audience (in this case, you) will best understand.

[Parkbandit]

See the problem is we only dumped almost 700 million into this thing. We should have pumped 10 billion into it then maybe we would be seeing some results.

If 10 billion will be good, imagine how awesome it would be if we spend 100 billion on it! I mean sure, friends and family of the Administration are getting rich off this thing, but that's just a side benefit.

[Methais]

The fact that WB and cwolff are trying to blame the existence and implementation of Obamacare and all the ridiculous shit it's causing on republicans is the funniest thing I've read in this whole thread.

Just out of curiosity, anyone know approximately how many pages the Heritage and Gingrich versions are? Or even Romneycare? And how much non-health care related things they contained buried in it, like the government taking over student loans and whatnot with Obamacare?

How did Romneycare's initial rollout go anyway?

Where's Latrin when you need him?

[Tgo01]

I heard Satan himself once mentioned forcing everyone to buy insurance from a private company. I guess Obama stole the plan from the dark lord himself.

[Whirlin]

The fact that WB and cwolff are trying to blame the existence and implementation of Obamacare and all the ridiculous shit it's causing on republicans is the funniest thing I've read in this whole thread.

Just out of curiosity, anyone know approximately how many pages the Heritage and Gingrich versions are? Or even Romneycare? And how much non-health care related things they contained buried in it, like the government taking over student loans and whatnot with Obamacare?

How did Romneycare's initial rollout go anyway?

Where's Latrin when you need him?

I don't think they were blaming republicans. They were just pointing out that ACA utilized existing ideas from the Republican Think-tanks. And now they're up in arms about something when they were in avid support of it when it was a republican-run idea.

I don't think anyone has been saying they're the same in the verbiage in both forms... but the concept that they're based on is the same, and the Republican representatives haven't adequately delineated the differences between their version and the current version (in regards to the individual mandate) that they're upset about.

Unless they're declaring the exceptions to the individual mandate as part of the individual mandate bucket... which I can agree is a valid concern, but I was under the impression that the exceptions to the individual mandates were handled via an appeal process over the last year that was initiated due to the republican pushback.

I did a quick googling on the ACA Exceptions, and found the following


From:
http://healthaffairs.org/blog/2013/0...idual-mandate/

For applicants who qualify for the four remaining exemptions — lack of affordable coverage (premiums for a bronze policy cost more than 8 percent of income), income below the tax filing limit, unlawful presence in the United States, or short term (under 3 months) gaps in coverage — the exchange will not issue a certificate of exemption, but the exemption will rather be claimed at the time of filing for taxes (if at all). An applicant can apply for multiple exemptions simultaneously.

Processing exemption applications. The rule lays out with some specificity how the exchange should process applications for exemptions. Exchanges will use an application form supplied by HHS unless they receive approval for an alternative application form. The application will be separate from the form used to apply for insurance affordability programs, but if an individual submits an application for an insurance affordability program and then an application for exemption, the exchange shall use the information previously collected for the coverage application if relevant to the exemption application.

I heard Satan himself once mentioned forcing everyone to buy insurance from a private company. I guess Obama stole the plan from the dark lord himself.

Is that just because he's black that he's listening to the Dark Lord? Racist.

[Parkbandit]

I wasn't sure where to put this.. dumb things liberals say or here..

But there are no longer any insurance cancellation notices... they are now called "transition opportunities".