More Obamacare fuckups

[Jarvan]

No dude. It doesn't mean that at all. The Gov't shutdown was to defund all of the ACA. The mandate is something that people discussed targeting but the republicans never achieved a level of organization to make that their one demand. There was another thing going on too and that's precedent. If you think a sitting president is going to weaken the presidency like that you're smoking crack. Why penalize people if they are incapable of getting insurance through no fault of their own? That makes no damn sense at all.

I know you guys just say/repeat this stuff because it's argumentative and fits your partyline. Don't you ever think objectively though? You have all this freedom to think for yourself, to learn, to read up on issues yet you never get above the basest bullshit.

You know, you are not very smart. a few days into the Shutdown, They passed a CR with an amendment to DELAY the mandate. Which means that once that bill passed the House, the Senate Extended the Shutdown by 2 weeks for nothing.


I am SOOO Sorry. I goofed.. they voted to DELAY the individual mandate on September 28th. So technically, yes. If Obama delays the mandate, the ENTIRE SHUTDOWN, was avoidable.

http://www.politico.com/story/2013/0...own-97496.html

[Thondalar]

If only you guys would froth so hard about all Heritage Foundation crafted policies.

Heritage Foundation didn't craft this policy.

They wrote out a framework for an individual mandate as opposed to a single-payer system. This bloated pile of shit is not what the Heritage Foundation came up with. I know it feels good to repeat partial truths you heard something about on Maddow's show like it's the gospel, but stop it. You're making yourself look foolish.

[cwolff]

You know, you are not very smart. a few days into the Shutdown, They passed a CR with an amendment to DELAY the mandate. Which means that once that bill passed the House, the Senate Extended the Shutdown by 2 weeks for nothing.

Whether the house did or did not isn't relevant. You're looking at the tree and missing the forest.

[Thondalar]

No dude. It doesn't mean that at all. The Gov't shutdown was to defund all of the ACA. The mandate is something that people discussed targeting but the republicans never achieved a level of organization to make that their one demand. There was another thing going on too and that's precedent. If you think a sitting president is going to weaken the presidency like that you're smoking crack. Why penalize people if they are incapable of getting insurance through no fault of their own? That makes no damn sense at all.

Never underestimate the willingness of either party to grand-stand in whatever way they can if they think it will hurt the public opinion of the other. Sometimes they backfire, but usually, their highly-paid army of advisors and pollsters minimize the risk.

I know you guys just say/repeat this stuff because it's argumentative and fits your partyline. Don't you ever think objectively though? You have all this freedom to think for yourself, to learn, to read up on issues yet you never get above the basest bullshit.

I'm very much against ACA, not because of any of this freedom nonsense...I mean sure, I do think it's trampling my rights, but hey...we've been rolling over for that for at least 100 years, why stop now?

My issue with it mainly is that it's a giant pile of shit, even as far as massive government programs go. Almost a thousand pages of loopholes and Hill talk and smoke and mirrors. The people who wrote it even admit they don't understand it fully.
It's creating thousands of new positions in the IRS, and giving them powers they shouldn't have...the "made-up scandal" about them targeting Conservative groups is a good example. Additionally, a LOT of people have raised concerns about the safety of private medical information, and this has already proven to be a problem. I think it tries to do too much. We could have regulated the health insurance industry without all this extra stuff.

[Jarvan]

Whether the house did or did not isn't relevant. You're looking at the tree and missing the forest.

LOL. So you are admitting that yes, the Dems shut the government down for no reason if they now delay the mandate?

That's big of you.

You know, it's even funnier when you take into account that HHS KNEW the website was shit even before the vote above took place.

[Methais]

Show us where you have absolute freedom and liberty? You don't. Why do you even try this argument, it makes no sense. We have laws that govern the things we can and can not do. It's nothing new and specifically Financial Responsibility laws are nothing new.

Point out where I said the word absolute.

The freedom to not be forced to purchase something by government under the penalty of a tax is an answer to the question Back asked when be asked what liberties are being taken away.

Do you understand now? Or should I explain it to you again?

[Parkbandit]

edit: Exactly PB. That's exactly what I'm talking about. Thank you for the timely example.

Like most other things, I'm sure it went way over your head.

[cwolff]

Nice perspective on ACA and healthcare in general especially in regards to giving health care to those who can't afford it.

http://www.nejm.org/doi/full/10.1056/NEJMp1312793

[Atlanteax]

Healthcare is a privilege. If it was a right, it would had been in the "Bill of Rights". Healthcare being a privilege does not preclude an individual from being able to pursue it.

[cwolff]

Healthcare is a privilege. If it was a right, it would had been in the "Bill of Rights". Healthcare being a privilege does not preclude an individual from being able to pursue it.

Are you responding to something in particular or just letting us know what you think?