These SEA airlines don’t even have reclining seats!!Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet
Buy the onboard Wi-Fi you cheap bastard! I get it free with my Southwest card and I travel way less than you.
Also, I’m with the others and don’t know what you are talking about with Ukraine. There was the USSR, and the Russians monarchy & empire that has been around since the 16th century, and before that all I know are the nations that can form Russia in EU4 like Muscovy. Not calling you a liar but I’m interested to read what you share on the subject.
Here’s a little bit for you
From Dima Vorobiev, former propagandist for the USSR.
Ukraine was building churches in the 9th century. Russia was still mostly woods and very tribal. Ukraine had a King who's children married into the Romanoff line, the bloodline for that Ukrainian king still exists in Ukraine, the same cannot be said of the Romanoffs'
When did Ukraine become part of
Russia?
"When did Ukraine become part of Russia?"
In the strict sense of words, Ukraine has never been
"part of Russia."
It's complicated
In our books, in the mid-17th century, Ukraine
"joined" pre-imperial Russia. The thing is, at the time, it was considered a "union" headed by the House of Romanov.
The territories of what is now central Ukraine sought the protection of the Tsar in Moscow. But they enjoyed a degree of self-rule. Only over the next few decades were they stripped of the rest of their sovereignty and became as powerless as the ethnically Russian territories.
Confusing designations
Yet, even then, everyone accepted them being separate from the Russian heartland by keeping the designation of Maloróssiya ("Little Russia," or as the Greeks used to look at it, Mikod Pwoid,
"Beachhead Russia") as opposed to Velikorossiya ("Greater Russia," from Greek Mayáln 'Pwoia,
"Extended Russia").
We retained this beachhead meaning for "little" from seafaring Greeks in modern Russian. For example, one of the memoirs of Soviet ruler Leonid Brezhnev was titled "Little Land" (Malaya Zemlya).
It's about a beachhead created and defended by the Soviet army at the Black Sea in WW2. We had a solemn song about it ? with the line "Little Land is a great land."
No bearing on property rights
In other words, the House of Romanov considered them the same kind of property as Russia proper, the Baltics, White Russia, Turkic territories along the Volga River etc. And mind you, the Imperial state itself before 1917 was a property of the House of Romanov!
But doesn't the fact of being the property of the nominally "Russian" empire (our last Tsars were ethnically German) make Ukraine "Russian"?
Our side of the story
According to the consensus formed by the political class in Moscow, it does.
We ruled over them-"we" being aristocrats in the imperial government's service many decades ago who spoke Russian at home and called themselves Russians, right? Logically, the Ukrainians shouldn't object to us, some 140-million-strong nation of the 21st century, claiming Ukraine as "historically part of Russia". President Putin put forward a strong case for it in his seminal article from last year.
The Master's lens
However, the House of Romanov, a rightful master of both Russia and Ukraine, would strongly object to this. It would be absurd for them to accept that a bunch of their lowly commoners calling themselves a "nation" made a claim on the part of the Tzar's hard-earned property.
Kyiv (Capital of Ukraine) is 665 years older than
Moscow. "Kyiv" (Ukraine) was founded in 432 CE. in 1982 it was the 1,500th anniversary. Russia was founded in 1547. If you are talking about Modern Speaking, Ukraine was founded in 1918, and then later was annexed by the Soviet Union, and on August 24th, 1991 Ukraine got its independence, Russia got its independence in December of 1991, so Ukraine "Modernly speaking" is 4 months older than Russia. So to answer your question, Ukraine is older than Russia.
Does Russia have any historical claim to Ukraine besides when they were all in the USSR?
No, Russia ceased to exist after the Russian Revolution.
The USSR claimed that they were not a successor state to Russia to avoid having to repay debts. Any claim by Russia was therefore not transferred to the USSR.
Ukraine was a republic inside the Soviet Union.
Crimea was part of the Russian Republic before
Chrustjev had it transferred to Ukraine. According to international law, such transfers can only be protested for 50 years, which did not happen,
Since the Russian Federation is not a successor to pre-revolution Russia but to the Soviet Union they cannot refer to things happening before 1917.
So Russia does not have any valid claims to Ukraine.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27
Goes into details about Kievan Rus, aka Kyiv. Russia was a breakaway region from Ukraine.
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