Climate Change Report

[Parkbandit]

Cliff Notes version: Humans are causing it, what are we going to do about it?

So just tell me... are we causing it to heat up or cool down?

Because I've heard both sides a number of times. Shouldn't it be clear one way or the other?

[Jarvan]

So just tell me... are we causing it to heat up or cool down?

Because I've heard both sides a number of times. Shouldn't it be clear one way or the other?

Didn't you hear...

We are causing it to heat up... which is causing it to cool down.. which in turn causes it to heat up.

DUH.

[Warriorbird]

Didn't you hear...

We are causing it to heat up... which is causing it to cool down.. which in turn causes it to heat up.

DUH.

Or, you know, it's a complex process that involves both natural phenomenon (which most of the political types either want to say is everything or nothing) and human impact (yes, we can effect things on the planet, we're a little more significant than you want to admit) on shifts in global weather patterns. Durping it up is clearly more fun for you though.

[cwolff]

I'm a skeptic because it's politicized science that has no real scientific basis. Satellites aren't recording heightened sea levels. Glaciers are melting, but it's like 2% of the 160,000 on the planet, Satellites haven't detected a rise in temperature at the atmospheric level which is pretty telling since you know (or maybe you don't) HEAT RISES, The latest idiotic notion is that the fumes from volcano eruptions are somehow cooling us down while at the same time pumping more methane and C02 into the air than all of humanity combined. Basically what you have is a shitload of people with Always Being Right cognitive disorder who feel that instead of being good stewards of the environment, we should legislate the world into a poverty laden socialist tribal lifestyle. If you believe in man-made global warming, you're a fucking moron. You believe climate models made by the same people that can't predict the weather ten days out and you're worried about 100 years from now. Fuckin' please. And go ahead, spout IPCC and the lastest GISS data from Nasa at me, before Global Warming was a ludicrous attempt at grabbing power and taxing us into oblivion, Temperature records showed the exact opposite was happening, they just amended their records to show everything from 1880 on, instead of 1840 on. And while you're trying vainly to defeat my argument, just remember, the environmental movement has killed more people than Hitler by about 6x.

Just to be clear. You are saying that this report and its conclusions are not correct?

Did you read the report?

[cwolff]

I didn't get that from this report at all.

This doesn't change anything. The Earth goes through natural cycles of cooling and warming...I see no evidence anywhere that mankind is hastening this or even affecting it. It's simply impossible to prove on the timeline we've been studying it, compared to the timeline of the Earth. We have, however, proven that the Earth was MUCH warmer than it is now at different times in it's past, with zero humans on the planet. So yeah, I'm still a skeptic.

I take it you didn't read the report.

[Atlanteax]

Japan might take issue with this statement.

Japan is restarting its nuclear plants and is embracing the concept of nuclear power again.

Why? Because it is Japan's best option for energy generation (no coal, and oil = expensive and shipping issues).

[stormcrow]

This article was written last week for the wjs by my father in law. He's been a scientist studying the atmosphere since the 70's. He's not a right wing republican as Kerry makes anyone who questions climate change.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...91611041331266

[cwolff]

Japan is restarting its nuclear plants and is embracing the concept of nuclear power again.

Why? Because it is Japan's best option for energy generation (no coal, and oil = expensive and shipping issues).

Don't worry. Even the hippies are starting to face the reality of nuclear power. Not because nuke plants are so awesome, but because we've not done shit about greenhouse gases since we started talking about them some years ago.

[Jarvan]

Or, you know, it's a complex process that involves both natural phenomenon (which most of the political types either want to say is everything or nothing) and human impact (yes, we can effect things on the planet, we're a little more significant than you want to admit) on shifts in global weather patterns. Durping it up is clearly more fun for you though.

Humans do have an impact on the environment.

Nature, has a way of deals with it. Frankly, you should be more pissed at modern medicine then at fossil fuel usage. There is a reason why most Climate People start looking around 1970.



World pop has doubled since 1970. Roughly 700% since they started "looking" at climate data from 1880 on.

So.. want to save the climate? Kill 90% of the worlds population. Climate saved.

There you go, that is a 100% Valid response. So.. going to do your part?

[Jarvan]

This article was written last week for the wjs by my father in law. He's been a scientist studying the atmosphere since the 70's. He's not a right wing republican as Kerry makes anyone who questions climate change.

http://online.wsj.com/news/articles/...91611041331266

That's why they changed it to climate change. There is no disputing "climate change".

Hell.. it happens 4 times a year in most regions.

Every 10-20 years the "consensus" of Scientists say one thing or another will happen because of global warming... the ice caps will melt, the sea levels will rise 10 feet, the world will freeze, etc etc... they have been wrong every single time.

Here is a funny story... all these climate "models" they punch their data into... have to be programmed. Generally by the people putting in data. They are programmed to take data and produce a result. Is it a coincidence that the result they always produce is what the Climate Scientists want?