Washington Redskins will NEVER change name

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Originally Posted by Warriorbird

He was making fun of Candor which is a time honored GS action.

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...while I make fun of most of you, which is also time-honored GS tradition :)

Keep at it kiddies!

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Originally Posted by Tenlaar

The NCAI stands behind it, and they claim to represent more than 250 member tribal government and thousand of individual members. Do you have anything besides how you feel to back your claim?

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And of course, every member of every tribe agrees with everything that NACI says. And if anyone actually believes that...

Would it surprise anyone to know that there are Indian schools that use the name "Redskins"?

Sorry libbies, you haven't convinced me of anything except that you're upset.

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Originally Posted by Back

I'm glad you agree. Because how government works is the majority of people elect other people to make, enforce, and interpret laws, in a nutshell. So when you say stupid shit like "It is not, never has been, and God willing never will be the job of (this) government to tell it's citizens what they can and cannot say." I get the feeling you aren't understanding how it all works.

We aren't living in a dictatorship where rules are handed down arbitrarily or at the whim of some despot.

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I am not sure you understand what the First Amendment means.

Also.. if you want to go with Majority rules... then so far the Majority seems to be in favor of Redskins.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...tional_102.pdf

The People we elect, are SUPPOSED to take our opinion into account, and not just hand down dictates from above. So the American people say the name is ok, therefor to bad so sad. I kinda like your thinking Back!

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Originally Posted by Candor

And of course, every member of every tribe agrees with everything that NACI says. And if anyone actually believes that...

Would it surprise anyone to know that there are Indian schools that use the name "Redskins"?

Sorry libbies, you haven't convinced me of anything except that you're upset.

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Don't forget that Oklahoma means "Red People" in Choctaw (A Native American tribe).

I am waiting for these people to demand the name change of a State. Until they do.. they are just a bunch of assholes in my book.

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

Don't forget that Oklahoma means "Red People" in Choctaw (A Native American tribe).

I am waiting for these people to demand the name change of a State. Until they do.. they are just a bunch of assholes in my book.

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Redskin = slur
Oklahoma = not a slur

You might as well insist that anyone against slurs ought to campaign to rename the Black Mountains.

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Originally Posted by Tgo01

Except, y'know, unless you're defaming someone or inciting violence with your words then Thondalar is 100% correct.

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For once you're right on the money, Terry: except for all the ways he was wrong, Thondalar is absolutely right.

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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm

Thondalar is absolutely right.

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That's what I just said!

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Originally Posted by Jarvan

I am not sure you understand what the First Amendment means.

Also.. if you want to go with Majority rules... then so far the Majority seems to be in favor of Redskins.

http://www.publicpolicypolling.com/p...tional_102.pdf

The People we elect, are SUPPOSED to take our opinion into account, and not just hand down dictates from above. So the American people say the name is ok, therefor to bad so sad. I kinda like your thinking Back!

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Self-reported automated telephone interviews which then extrapolate their results to be the average for the entire nation always (always!) have methodological issues. Especially PPP. I certainly wouldn't base my viewpoint on it or use it as a source in an argument, even if the results were the other way around.

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Originally Posted by Candor

And of course, every member of every tribe agrees with everything that NACI says.

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What's that in the distance, is that a shifting goalpost? How very shocking.

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Originally Posted by Back

I'm glad you agree. Because how government works is the majority of people elect other people to make, enforce, and interpret laws, in a nutshell. So when you say stupid shit like "It is not, never has been, and God willing never will be the job of (this) government to tell it's citizens what they can and cannot say." I get the feeling you aren't understanding how it all works.

We aren't living in a dictatorship where rules are handed down arbitrarily or at the whim of some despot.

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The sort of controls on speech you seem to be supporting are the very foundations for such a dictatorship you seem to be against.

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Originally Posted by Thondalar

This is it exactly. No single person's opinion can be "more important" than anyone else in our society. That's how it's built. Some people are going to be offended no matter what you do. Some people are making it up, some people are not. If we "cater to the offended", we open the door for the sort of pettiness mankind is legendary for.

Whether you like it or not, there's no law against racial slurs. Nor should there be. If they offend you, don't hang around people who use them. It is not, never has been, and God willing never will be the job of (this) government to tell it's citizens what they can and cannot say.

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An odd part about this comment suddenly occurred to me last night. Even putting aside the fact that this government tells its citizens exactly that, is this even a case of that? No government official is telling Mr. Snyder he has to change the name, or even that he can't use slurs. They're only telling him he can't trademark such language. Is that an infringement on freedom of speech? I haven't trademarked this post, does it therefore not constitute free speech?