My goodbye forever rant

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Originally Posted by Neovik1

If we get new players i’d Imagine once they research Gemstone this forum would come up and more than likely people have said fuck this shit and didn’t even bother with GS. I can give two shits if I agree or disagree with him and I can handle myself.

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What's more likely is that they'll try the officials, see how fucking useless and outdated they are, either quit right then and there, or they'll come here and enjoy being able to say wtf they want while still being able to get the info they're looking for.

This is assuming GS actually has a regular flow of new players instead of like 6 people per year, which isn't the case.

Anyone who can handle LNet should have no problem dealing with the PC.

Not to mention, outside of the politics folder when the ultratards are active, it's not really all that toxic here overall anyway.

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I’m just stating this is not a good site to promote our community in any positive light. Most of the people on here aren’t even active players.

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Neither is $15-50 a month + tons of microtransactions for a 30 year old text game run by volunteers, but Simu somehow manages to find people dumb enough to make it work.

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Originally Posted by Fortybox

You don’t need to suck up. I’m pretty sure you can join them - requirements are low, especially in the ethics department. You’ll pass with flying colors!

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When you're done playing the quatuor Judges on PC about anything you disagree, we'll move to constructive matter like ranting on Simu and giving out ideas or talking recipes.

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Originally Posted by Methais

I'm too lazy to find the post with the log, but didn't Coase or whoever it was specifically say something like "No lockouts are being recommended due to your overall good standing." or something to that effect?

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I don't need to find it, but I think I had read the same thing...
I was just thinking in 4 years from now, some nub who decided to be a GM, like (insert PC poster's name here) joins simu, and you got caught with a gerkin in your trousers in game.
Based on policy 757193 that Simu passed at 6 AM via their discord help channel, that's now a bannable abuse offense for reasons.
And GM (insert PC Poster's name here), dgaf and decided to ban everyone on this list that has 1 warning ever about anything because GMs can be super lazy.
Gelston's commented that the bar's a little higher than that, so it's not likely, but I could understand not wanting an official warning to prevent against situations like that.

It's kinda sad that as ridiculous as that sounds, it also sounds not entirely inplausible.

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Originally Posted by Donquix

at release Naos:
Didn't update any documentation.
Refused to answer practically any meaningful questions about the system and difficulty changes.
ignored or deflected players who did bring concerns about item difficulties for days post release until the hilariously out of whack ones were brought up, and then it was Estild who had to confirm those
was a shithead whenever people tried to ask about when the potion vendor would be done (that continues to this day)

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You left out the best part where Naos literally asked (paraphrased, I think anyway) "Why would you want to test this on the test server?" when someone brought up that this should have been on the test server first IIRC.

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Originally Posted by Donquix

They sure did, three times in fact. Once, however, was AFTER these things were enchanted (probably). All 3 of these were on a weekday at around 1:30 pm on discord and fucking no where else. In the #mechanics channel that is probably the most most spammy channel on the server. The first was before new-enchant (feb with the limitbreaker potions) so that only gets half credit.

Yeah that seems practical. Check the wiki it's authoritative....ANNNNND also discord on Estild's lunch breaks during the week.

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It's pretty mind blowing that Simu doesn't have some sort of rule in place where any and all official info on anything new that's posted in Discord should have to be posted on the officials too, and/or as a NEWS item, or literally anywhere that doesn't require you to find a needle in the 537482052437 message haystack since you were last signed in 45 minutes ago on Discord where someone just happened to ask X question that Estild responded to with an actual answer, with 537482052436 of those messages usually being people asking Simu to shart in their mouth.

Discord is pretty much the worst format they could use for any sort of in-game news distribution, and there's plenty of mechanics info that's buried in Discord and likely posted nowhere else.

Regardless of any guilt on HoA members though, it would be nice if Simu could stop being so fucking lazy with anything non-P2W related for once. It also wouldn't hurt Naos to realize that this isn't GS3 in the 1990s anymore either where apparently the cool thing to do was figure out all the formulas yourself through ridiculous amounts of mind numbing bullshit testing.

TLDR: Simu is dumb

If they could get the GM Answer Bot working, that would at least be a repository of GM statements on discord, even if you'd lose context. They know the officials are trash from the dump and they all seem to want to drop them and just use discord, but they need something more permanent/searchable/accessible for people who can't sit on a chat all day.

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Originally Posted by Neveragain

From the female cleric that spends her days reporting names she doesn't like to the other female cleric that used her position as a police dispatcher to gain access to peoples personal information.

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More details required plz.

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

All that happened was a few people in a big organisation found out that you could enchant coraesine. They didn’t bother to check this with anyone because the enchanting changes were unclear. Should they have? Maybe. That’s the debatable part. But no, let’s just declare: Huge crime! Should disband! People have NO soulzzz! Coraesine causes LAG!

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This seems like a good time to ask this again, since you ignored the question earlier:

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

It's possible they have something. I reviewed all messages (and deleted messages) in the HOA Discord server, and there's nothing more incriminating than: "Did they mean to make this enchantable? Huh. I wonder if they'll fix it." To equate that response with "intentionally abusing a bug in collusion with other players for profit" is a pretty big leap. Players don't generally get punished for GMs forgetting to do something (like flag coraesine as unenchantable).

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"Did they mean to make this enchantable? Huh. I wonder if they'll fix it."

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"I wonder if they'll fix it."

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Are you really not seeing the issue here? If you need more assistance with this, just let me know.

Simu sucks tremendously, don't get me wrong, but you've come across as disingenuous for pretty much this entire thread.

You’re reading too much into my paraphrase, and that was bad phrasing on my part, using the word “fixed.” People wondered if it’d get changed back, but that wasn’t evidence that they knew it was a bug. Simu has historically changed how things work over time, eg DB cloaks, fusion enchanting, etc.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

I was not warned.

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YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT!

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

We basically do, actually. If our group gets over 20ish people, we usually divide into two. The lag issue is caused by scaling messaging requirements for larger groups (same reason huge groups get silenced automatically in one room), and this tactic mostly fixes it.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Couldn't Simu *gasp* fix the underlying lag issue... instead of blaming it on too many people enjoying the game? Someone mentioned Stockholm syndrome earlier... this seems like a prime example of that.

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No. It is against Simu policy for them to be accountable for their own fuckups and incompetence.

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Originally Posted by audioserf

HOA is like any group. There are jerks and elitists, and there are people you wouldn't even know are in HOA because they don't talk about it. The group is judged by a combination of the loudest and worse examples. There's people on that list who got posted who I think are awesome, and I had no idea they were in the group. I don't think of them differently now. I think the lag issue sucks, and I don't doubt that HOA have taken actions to mitigate it, but it still makes sense that people hold that against them, tbh. The warnings (except for Nodyre, who got flatly hosed and should appeal as hard as possible) seem more warranted the longer I think on it, but it seems like people should just move on at this point. The warnings were issued and they're ultimately a slap on the wrist. Unless people plan to get more warnings they can probably forget it ever happened. The absolute bile in some of the posts about HOA is wild, though. We're all playing a game for the most extreme nerds alive who really enjoy MUDs and the 1990s. Let's calm down. Source: I'm a nerd

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A few things about this thread though...

1. Anyone who disliked HoA is probably going to dislike them even more now, even if it's only due to a few bad apples in the bunch. This certainly won't help their apparently already tainted reputation, even if the majority of its members are cool people.

2. Everyone on all sides of this are sick of Simu's shit and how they continue blaming their own laziness and incompetence at QC and distributing information (while simultaneously telling players to experiment) on the players (i.e. Nodyre).

3. BriarFox is an excuse machine.

4. Penis.

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Originally Posted by Whirlin

That's not accurate.
They asked Dreaven to change his actions to be more streamlined to reduce lag, Dreaven objected, but eventually complied. The end result is that the changes worked.
Simu engaged with us to test changes to reduce lag. We worked with them on a variety of tests, and changed our actions. We tried split the group, they lowered spawn rates, turned off invasions, tried new flags. The end result is that nothing worked, they didn't do anything to further work on it.

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Lack of denial of BriarFox's stuff being overpriced noted.

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

You’re reading too much into my paraphrase, and that was bad phrasing on my part, using the word “fixed.” People wondered if it’d get changed back, but that wasn’t evidence that they knew it was a bug. Simu has historically changed how things work over time, eg DB cloaks, fusion enchanting, etc.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Lack of denial of BriarFox's stuff being overpriced noted.

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Hey now. Free market, charge what you want, and if people don't pay, that's on you. That's capitalism, you taught me that sempai.

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Originally Posted by Methais

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Selling my bow for $20,000

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Originally Posted by Methais

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Hindsight is perfect. It's easy to look back now, point a finger, and say, "You should have KNOWN!" It wasn't clear then, though. And, again, I wasn't actually involved in any of this, but I see the positions of the people who were.

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Originally Posted by Whirlin

Selling my bow for $20,000

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No coraesine, no deal.

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Originally Posted by Whirlin

Hey now. Free market, charge what you want, and if people don't pay, that's on you. That's capitalism, you taught me that sempai.

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That post was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but yes.

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

Hindsight is perfect. It's easy to look back now, point a finger, and say, "You should have KNOWN!" It wasn't clear then, though. And, again, I wasn't actually involved in any of this, but I see the positions of the people who were.

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If you have to say "I wonder if they'll fix it" or "I wonder if it'll get changed back" or whatever other statement indicating any amount of possible doubt, then that should be a pretty clear indicator that you should consider checking with staff first. Especially, and I mean like 9999999999999x especially, knowing how incompetent Simu QC is and how they love blaming that shit on the players.

I'll never agree with Simu's "You should know better!" policy, but everyone here is fully aware that that's how these idiots have always operated. The fact that it's an extremely stupid way to run things is irrelevant.

On second thought, maybe that's what Mazreth meant when they said "You should have known better." or however they said it. They weren't referring to enchanting mechanics, they actually meant "You should have known Simu would blame their super shitty QC on the players."

In which case, they should have known better. Because Simu are dumb stupid dumbstupidheads.

BriarFox made nothing better with his comments. I'd almost think he was a plant from the rival MHO Foot of the Arkati to discredit HOA.

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Originally Posted by Methais

If you have to say "I wonder if they'll fix it" or "I wonder if it'll get changed back" or whatever other statement indicating any amount of possible doubt, then that should be a pretty clear indicator that you should consider checking with staff first. Especially, and I mean like 9999999999999x especially, knowing how incompetent Simu QC is and how they love blaming that shit on the players.

I'll never agree with Simu's "You should know better!" policy, but everyone here is fully aware that that's how these idiots have always operated. The fact that it's an extremely stupid way to run things is irrelevant.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

BriarFox made nothing better with his comments. I'd almost think he was a plant from the rival MHO Foot of the Arkati to discredit HOA.

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He should have just not posted anything and let someone like Nodyre speak for the HoA.

Now I'm siding with Simutronics.. and that makes me feel disgusting.

What a way to spend an hour of my day while not much is going on at work....read up on all the bitch ass replies back and forth - I'm not sure if I should find this thread humorous or pathetic.

What I gather:

1) Folks did something wrong because of a design (code) mistake
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2) Simu reverted items to original enchants and handed out warnings.
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3) Folks that got warnings cried because butt hurt and claim stupidity to the enchanting system or they didn't know better defense....
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4) Simu laughs on their way to the bank, all the while pointing and laughing harder at the folks that dumped extra money into DR to try and make use of the loophole.
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That sums it up, right? Yeah. Good.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

He should have just not posted anything and let someone like Nodyre speak for the HoA.

Now I'm siding with Simutronics.. and that makes me feel disgusting.

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This thread probably would have been dead the day it was created but for him. Oh well, it was fun to read on the toilet.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

BriarFox made nothing better with his comments. I'd almost think he was a plant from the rival MHO Foot of the Arkati to discredit HOA.

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It's a supah sekrit plot. In any case, since people were talking about HoA as a whole (which wasn't really involved), I tried to offer some honest perspective. If you want someone to take a bunch of grief and not give any back, well -- this is the PC.

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

It's a supah sekrit plot. In any case, since people were talking about HoA as a whole (which wasn't really involved), I tried to offer some honest perspective. If you want someone to take a bunch of grief and not give any back, well -- this is the PC.

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Ever notice how large companies sometimes just never respond to shit, or just toss out a quick reply and never say anything again? Yeah people are pissed, but it goes away.

Listen, I'm happy to be the Baghdad Bob of the HOA if need-be.

Kidding aside, I don't think we need to beat this dead horse any further. Right now the folks that were warned are either taking their lumps or appealing to the Powers That Be. In my case, I spoke to Wyrom one-on-one last week and am waiting to hear back if there's any additional information. As silly as it may sound, I could care less about the warning (my second in 20+ years) – I care more that the staff (read: Coase) thinks that I'm the type of idiot who would try to GMA krodera. I'm an idiot – as all of us who pay Simutronics truly are – but I'm not a fucking doofus.

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

It's a supah sekrit plot. In any case, since people were talking about HoA as a whole (which wasn't really involved), I tried to offer some honest perspective. If you want someone to take a bunch of grief and not give any back, well -- this is the PC.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

This thread probably would have been dead the day it was created but for him. Oh well, it was fun to read on the toilet.

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I'm grateful for this thread. This place has been pretty dead lately except when BacKKKlash is tarding it up in politics. We were overdue for another good PC uproar thread, and so far this thread has delivered.

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Originally Posted by HebrewToYou

I'm an idiot – as all of us who pay Simutronics truly are

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Truer words have never been posted on this forum ever.

You won.

Fuck yeah.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Ever notice how large companies sometimes just never respond to shit, or just toss out a quick reply and never say anything again? Yeah people are pissed, but it goes away.

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I'm not a company PR guy for HoA. If someone starts throwing punches at me or my friends, I'm going to throw some back, and that's really all there is to it. Fortybox and AnOrdim started really digging into HoA around post 150, and if telling them what insane twits they are made things more heated, I am happy to own that.

Instead of pointing at me, you could acknowledge that the real cause of this thread is the PC's prurient interest in the naughty things other people allegedly did. Oh, and the insane people with their wildly unsupported accusations (like I made thousands of dollars off coraesine -- WTF to that).

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

I'm not a company PR guy for HoA. If someone starts throwing punches at me or my friends, I'm going to throw some back, and that's really all there is to it. Fortybox and AnOrdim started really digging into HoA around post 150, and if telling them what insane twits they are made things more heated, I am happy to own that.

Instead of pointing at me, you could acknowledge that the real cause of this thread is the PC's prurient interest in the naughty things other people allegedly did. Oh, and the insane people with their wildly unsupported accusations (like I made thousands of dollars off coraesine -- WTF to that).

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Even now you are continually posting and I'll continue responding. See how that is?

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Originally Posted by Gelston

Even now you are continually posting and I'll continue responding. See how that is?

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Yes, sir, clearly, sir, you are superior in your knowledge of future events and the internet -- SIR!

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

I'm not a company PR guy for HoA. If someone starts throwing punches at me or my friends, I'm going to throw some back, and that's really all there is to it. Fortybox and AnOrdim started really digging into HoA around post 150, and if telling them what insane twits they are made things more heated, I am happy to own that.

Instead of pointing at me, you could acknowledge that the real cause of this thread is the PC's prurient interest in the naughty things other people allegedly did. Oh, and the insane people with their wildly unsupported accusations (like I made thousands of dollars off coraesine -- WTF to that).

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To be fair, you've never struck me as someone who would throw a punch at anyone. Slap maybe. Eye scratch perhaps.

A punch?

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I'm retiring to the Bahama's with all the money I made enchanting coraesine. I hear land is cheap there right now!

I'm retiring in ... Detroit, I guess, for having my krodera sword enchanted.

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

To be fair, you've never struck me as someone who would throw a punch at anyone. Slap maybe. Eye scratch perhaps.

A punch?

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Aw, were you mad that I’ve been ignoring you? Well, here you go:

I’m so flattered that you know me this well. You know, have you ever woken up and been, like, “Damn, a bot could give all the responses I give online. I’m too predictable — wait, shit, AM I a bot?!”

If so, what happened after the OS crash? Inquiring minds must know.

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Originally Posted by Methais

That post was mostly tongue-in-cheek, but yes.



If you have to say "I wonder if they'll fix it" or "I wonder if it'll get changed back" or whatever other statement indicating any amount of possible doubt, then that should be a pretty clear indicator that you should consider checking with staff first. Especially, and I mean like 9999999999999x especially, knowing how incompetent Simu QC is and how they love blaming that shit on the players.

I'll never agree with Simu's "You should know better!" policy, but everyone here is fully aware that that's how these idiots have always operated. The fact that it's an extremely stupid way to run things is irrelevant.

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Pretty much this. HoA is a highly engaged group with the game, membership tenure being decades for a lot of folks. This is the group that knows every detail about DR, for example, what specific items are coming out in HESS, etc. They know what Wyrom ate for lunch because they smooch his booty on Discord all day long.

Even SoyFox said they painstakingly QA’d REIM with GMs.

Now all of a sudden we are suppose to believe they went full retard with enchanting and just didn’t know. Yeah right. They knew it and exploited it and all they got was a warning. The real shame in all of this is these folks weren’t banned and the MHO disbanded.

Fortybox: I totally understand you have an axe to grind, but the MHO really isn't what you think it is. Nor are the people caught up in this unfortunate event as terrible as you make them out to be. Take that as you will.

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Originally Posted by HebrewToYou

Fortybox: I totally understand you have an axe to grind, but the MHO really isn't what you think it is. Nor are the people caught up in this unfortunate event as terrible as you make them out to be. Take that as you will.

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I have it on good authority they all kick puppies and steal from girl scouts.

I prefer to only rob Boy Scouts. Because, y'know, the patriarchy.

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Originally Posted by HebrewToYou

Fortybox: I totally understand you have an axe to grind, but the MHO really isn't what you think it is. Nor are the people caught up in this unfortunate event as terrible as you make them out to be. Take that as you will.

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Reform under Whirlin or you as the leader. You’re like the only one that has a brain from HoA in this thread.

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

Aw, were you mad that I’ve been ignoring you? Well, here you go:

I’m so flattered that you know me this well. You know, have you ever woken up and been, like, “Damn, a bot could give all the responses I give online. I’m too predictable — wait, shit, AM I a bot?!”

If so, what happened after the OS crash? Inquiring minds must know.

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I think it must be SoyBox's time of the month, Ordim and him are probably sync'd on their cycles by now. Give it a few days and he might calm down.

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Originally Posted by BriarFox

Aw, were you mad that I’ve been ignoring you? Well, here you go:

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You suck at ignoring, if that was what you were doing.

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I’m so flattered that you know me this well.

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You're "so flattered"? This is why you give off the vibe.

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You know, have you ever woken up and been, like, “Damn, a bot could give all the responses I give online. I’m too predictable — wait, shit, AM I a bot?!”

If so, what happened after the OS crash? Inquiring minds must know.

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Originally Posted by drauz

I think it must be SoyBox's time of the month, Ordim and him are probably sync'd on their cycles by now. Give it a few days and he might calm down.

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I don't think I've ever been introduced to Whirlin. I only returned to the game last year after a very long absence. But I've found the HOA group to be incredibly kind, generous, sarcastic, and funny. Your mileage may vary!

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Originally Posted by HebrewToYou

I don't think I've ever been introduced to Whirlin. I only returned to the game last year after a very long absence. But I've found the HOA group to be incredibly kind, generous, sarcastic, and funny. Your mileage may vary!

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He might just be a figurehead....

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Originally Posted by Methais

More details required plz.

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Too many to give. One of the times I was on the phone with her while she was using the data base the police use to look up personal info on a player that had died. The problem with this is, the family of the deceased didn't want any info going to the GS community. She made it abundantly clear that this was not her first time doing this with GS players.

At this point I had realized that I once again stepped in a pile of GS crazy and cut it off that same night. Never talked to them again and a year later I start getting fake no contact e-mails from crazy, mind you I had not even played GS at this point in over a year.

Normally I would name names, because I don't give a fuck. In this case though, with someone with that kind of access, this community ain't worth it.

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I don't think I've ever been introduced to Whirlin. I only returned to the game last year after a very long absence. But I've found the HOA group to be incredibly kind, generous, sarcastic, and funny. Your mileage may vary!

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He probably took back the introduction when he left along with everything else he took away.

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Originally Posted by drauz

I think it must be SoyBox's time of the month, Ordim and him are probably sync'd on their cycles by now. Give it a few days and he might calm down.

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Or maybe the most vocal members of HoTA really are just shitty people doing shitty things.

There are very fine people on both sides, Ordim.

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Originally Posted by HebrewToYou

There are very fine people on both sides, Ordim.

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It's a shame they gave that up when they decided that a few extra silvers were worth it to fuck up the servers multiple times a week for everyone else.

Lag is simply the name we give to the things we choose to do together.

I prefer the olden days when we blamed it on the AOL Demon, or Lord Steve Case.

That fucking guy. Sitting on a throne made of discarded compact discs...

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Couldn't Simu *gasp* fix the underlying lag issue... instead of blaming it on too many people enjoying the game? Someone mentioned Stockholm syndrome earlier... this seems like a prime example of that.

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In Simu's defense this kind of issue isn't really inherent to Simu's servers or code or anything.

If you're in a room and you cast a mass spell against 20 critters then all of that information (the AS/DS line, the wounds, etc) all get sent to you. No problem.

If you do the same with one other person in the room with you then you both get sent all of those lines. Again, no problem.

Add a second person and you all 3 get sent those lines. Still no problem.

When you start hitting 30, 40, 50+ people? Problem. Especially since they are all probably casting their own mass spells every 0.5 seconds, so now you have 30-50+ people all casting multiple spells every second in a room full of critters all taking damage from said spells. That's a lot to handle for servers.

Especially when you add more shit like random ambient scripts going off, people waving or doing other verbs, the critters attacking, etc.

If I were to cast ewave against a room full of 100 people who are not in my group then that means I get sent 100+ lines of XML code and each person in the room is also sent 100+ lines of XML code because everyone sees everyone getting knocked down. And it all happens at the same split second.

The problem here is shortsightedness on Simu's part for not anticipating people would form large groups to tackle Reim as a raid.

I did as much as I could to help with the problem with my Dreavenings while not making them impossible to perform (reducing the number of people to 20 like they originally asked me to do.) The only thing left me as a player can do is setup my ;dreavening script so people can set an option to automatically remove any ambient gear while at the table so that's one less bit of code to be sent to every person every few seconds. I floated the idea to GMs to implement something that would make Dreavenings faster (and thus less time potentially causing lag) and also reduce the number of lines sent to everyone; give people a way to cast all of their defensive spells at another person with just one cast while also costing the same amount of mana. This way instead of my guys having to cast at someone 3+ times and sending all of those lines to everyone in the room they can just cast once, costs same mana, much faster, fewer lines of code being sent out. Didn't sound like something they wanted to bother implementing though so I guess the lag from Dreavenings can't be TOO bad.

I mean, there are technologies that have "solved" this problem. The issue is likely legacy systems that nobody dares touch – because the last time they tried (a few months back) the game crashed like crazy.

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In Simu's defense this kind of issue isn't really inherent to Simu's servers or code or anything.

If you're in a room and you cast a mass spell against 20 critters then all of that information (the AS/DS line, the wounds, etc) all get sent to you. No problem.

If you do the same with one other person in the room with you then you both get sent all of those lines. Again, no problem.

Add a second person and you all 3 get sent those lines. Still no problem.

When you start hitting 30, 40, 50+ people? Problem. Especially since they are all probably casting their own mass spells every 0.5 seconds, so now you have 30-50+ people all casting multiple spells every second in a room full of critters all taking damage from said spells. That's a lot to handle for servers.

Especially when you add more shit like random ambient scripts going off, people waving or doing other verbs, the critters attacking, etc.

If I were to cast ewave against a room full of 100 people who are not in my group then that means I get sent 100+ lines of XML code and each person in the room is also sent 100+ lines of XML code because everyone sees everyone getting knocked down. And it all happens at the same split second.

The problem here is shortsightedness on Simu's part for not anticipating people would form large groups to tackle Reim as a raid.

I did as much as I could to help with the problem with my Dreavenings while not making them impossible to perform (reducing the number of people to 20 like they originally asked me to do.) The only thing left me as a player can do is setup my ;dreavening script so people can set an option to automatically remove any ambient gear while at the table so that's one less bit of code to be sent to every person every few seconds. I floated the idea to GMs to implement something that would make Dreavenings faster (and thus less time potentially causing lag) and also reduce the number of lines sent to everyone; give people a way to cast all of their defensive spells at another person with just one cast while also costing the same amount of mana. This way instead of my guys having to cast at someone 3+ times and sending all of those lines to everyone in the room they can just cast once, costs same mana, much faster, fewer lines of code being sent out. Didn't sound like something they wanted to bother implementing though so I guess the lag from Dreavenings can't be TOO bad.

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I've never noticed lag anywhere but at your table during a dreavening, while you were casting and people were sending.

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That's not accurate.
They asked Dreaven to change his actions to be more streamlined to reduce lag, Dreaven objected, but eventually complied. The end result is that the changes worked.

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No. I was upset, even said I understood, but I didn't object. What I objected to was them possibly wanting me to reduce the number of people in my groups even more and their sudden desire to have me stop with my "bot like" behavior of providing some services.

The end result is they walked back everything they wanted me to change, I made some changes of my own that I thought would help, and here we are. Dreavenings weren't causing a problem apparently (or some of the changes they made on their end helped) because they dropped the issue with me altogether.

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No. I was upset, even said I understood, but I didn't object. What I objected to was them possibly wanting me to reduce the number of people in my groups even more and their sudden desire to have me stop with my "bot like" behavior of providing some services.

The end result is they walked back everything they wanted me to change, I made some changes of my own that I thought would help, and here we are. Dreavenings weren't causing a problem apparently (or some of the changes they made on their end helped) because they dropped the issue with me altogether.

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I for one think this "Dreaven" figure is a menace to our children.

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BriarFox made nothing better with his comments. I'd almost think he was a plant from the rival MHO Foot of the Arkati to discredit HOA.

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I was firmly in the "I think Simu might be exaggerating their evidence claim" camp until Briarfox provided that quote, which he is now saying isn't a quote but rather a poor paraphrasing on his part. Someone questioning if it's a bug and then wondering if they'll "fix it" sure sounds like the person in question knew it was a bug, although to be fair Briarfox never said that person in particular was taking advantage of the bug.

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No. I was upset, even said I understood, but I didn't object. What I objected to was them possibly wanting me to reduce the number of people in my groups even more and their sudden desire to have me stop with my "bot like" behavior of providing some services.

The end result is they walked back everything they wanted me to change, I made some changes of my own that I thought would help, and here we are. Dreavenings weren't causing a problem apparently (or some of the changes they made on their end helped) because they dropped the issue with me altogether.

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It sounds more and more like our experiences with them. They had us test a bunch of crap, asked us to do things, walked back their requirements when nothing worked, they stopped trying, eventually they quasi fixed something, and supposedly things got better.

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I mean, there are technologies that have "solved" this problem. The issue is likely legacy systems that nobody dares touch – because the last time they tried (a few months back) the game crashed like crazy.

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I don't know, that's a lot of code to be flying around. Games like WoW have a lot of code flying around too but you usually don't get that many people in the same area all attacking 50+ critters. Sure back in the day when they had 40 man raids but even those were limited to 40 people and the number of critters people were attacking at once were usually a few, not several dozen. Nowadays though I believe WoW sticks to 25 man raids. There are 40 man battlegrounds which means 40 people on each team, but even then you don't usually have all 80 people in the same area, but when you do you can for sure notice the lag.

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I've never noticed lag anywhere but at your table during a dreavening, while you were casting and people were sending.

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Which is why I think Simu was full of it when they blamed Dreavenings. Sure I'll admit back in the days when I did the Dreavenings outside the bank I would have people complain about the lag while I was casting, but once I realized I was the problem I stopped doing Dreavenings until I could implement my solution of doing groups at the tables. Ever since I made that change I never once had anyone complain about lag during Dreavenings.

That's why I thought it was odd that years later the GMs decided I was causing lag. I don't know if they really thought I was causing lag or if they were looking for a scapegoat or what.

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I for one think this "Dreaven" figure is a menace to our children.

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Well yeah.

I noticed more lag towards the end of the lifecycle of dreavenings when simu got involved. However, you're right, it was not there at the beginning of you offering them. I mostly noticed it if I was running between cities. Even so, it was so short lived.

They just keep adding crap to the code that further slows it down with every new feature it seems, and not really streamlining shit because the player base dwindled.

"We tried a bunch of stuff" - except anything that would cause us to have to put more effort or time into things. Like splitting up your groups over different time periods, or limiting the number of people that went in during a certain period of time. When anything of this nature was offered as a possible suggestion the group responding in unison with "but then we wont be making as much money" or "Then it takes long for us to farm ghost bucks".

So you just kept shitting on the servers with the bullshit excuse of "we tried, nothing we can do, yup... not a single fucking thing we can do about it."

We split the groups for a week. I've repeated that many times. There was no impact on the lag, many more headaches on logistics.

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We split the groups for a week. I've repeated that many times. There was no impact on the lag, many more headaches on logistics.

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boo hoo on your problems. The group caused problems for everyone else and continued to do so. The problems always should have been yours to deal with and not the rest of the servers, end of story for me. The fact that you were allowed to continue to do so is very telling of where the GMs loyalties lie. Made even more clear by this current situation.

Why? I don't owe you shit. I'm paying and playing a game from simutronics, any transaction is with them. If their servers can't support my completely acceptable way of playing, and it's influencing your experiences, take it up with them, I owe you fucking nothing whatsoever. We worked with Simutronics to fix the problems. We don't answer to you, you clearly know jack shit about what we've done, you know jack shit about how the underlying code works, you're barely even able to read, definitely not comprehend anything, we don't owe your toxic ass a thing. You're not in a position of power, you're just a fucking crybaby that's fucking powerless and is throwing a tantrum with a holier than thou attitude.

Since we're sharing lag stories, I've never noticed lag during Dreavenings. If I do experience lag, it's almost always during one of HotA's Reim nights.

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Why? I don't owe you shit. I'm paying and playing a game from simutronics, any transaction is with them. If their servers can't support my completely acceptable way of playing, and it's influencing your experiences, take it up with them, I owe you fucking nothing whatsoever. We worked with Simutronics to fix the problems. We don't answer to you, you clearly know jack shit about what we've done, you know jack shit about how the underlying code works, you're barely even able to read, definitely not comprehend anything, we don't owe your toxic ass a thing. You're not in a position of power, you're just a fucking crybaby that's fucking powerless and is throwing a tantrum with a holier than thou attitude.

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There's the real you.

Because I was the only one that complained.

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There's the real you.

Because I was the only one that complained.

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No, because you're a one tones toxic piece of shit with nothing functional to add to anything. Fortybox had specific concerns, but even we at least reached some sort of understanding. Folks had problems with the lack of RP, that's incredibly true, and if I were in a position of power, I'd probably do something about it. You're rants are fucking baseless, and you're nothing but a worthless toxic troll in literally everything you do. From every crying post about how monks NEED to have something like enchanting because it's not fair that sorcerers and wizards have shit, to your constant baseless attacks even when disproven. You add absolutely nothing to anything I've ever seen you take part of. Maybe you should do more crying posts about how simu hates monks and quit again, or go on more aliases on Reddit to complain about game companies.

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No, because you're a one tones toxic piece of shit with nothing functional to add to anything. Fortybox had specific concerns, but even we at least reached some sort of understanding. Folks had problems with the lack of RP, that's incredibly true, and if I were in a position of power, I'd probably do something about it. You're rants are fucking baseless, and you're nothing but a worthless toxic troll in literally everything you do. From every crying post about how monks NEED to have something like enchanting because it's not fair that sorcerers and wizards have shit, to your constant baseless attacks even when disproven. You add absolutely nothing to anything I've ever seen you take part of. Maybe you should do more crying posts about how simu hates monks and quit again, or go on more aliases on Reddit to complain about game companies.

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Wow... How the fuck can you be this off base after claiming that I have no reading comprehension. Who the fuck are you even responding to?

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Wow... How the fuck can you be this off base after claiming that I have no reading comprehension. Who the fuck are you even responding to?

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Whirlin so fucking mad or so fucking dumb he thinks I'm fucking someone else right now.

You do realize I'm not Flimbo right? And have literally never championed or done any of the bullshit you mentioned. But we should really take your word for it.

Or better yet, you just proved that you were green lit to shit on the server and ruin everyone elses experience long before you left and took all your toys with you and got kicked out of your own MHO.

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Whirlin so fucking mad or so fucking dumb he thinks I'm fucking someone else right now.

You do realize I'm not Flimbo right? And have literally never championed or done any of the bullshit you mentioned. But we should really take your word for it.

Or better yet, you just proved that you were green lit to shit on the server and ruin everyone elses experience long before you left and took all your toys with you and got kicked out of your own MHO.

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Ohh noes, someone confused a one dimensional pieces of shit that I don't give a flying fuck about with a different one in a game I haven't been active in in years! OMG, LULZ.

I moved all my shit to a Patreon so I could afford a sub after some medical shit went down, more things I've explained time and time again, shit doesn't just disappear from the wiki, I worked with the wiki mods, discussed it, and got it taken down for extenuating circumstances. Not that any of that matters, someone bought into the patreon, reuploaded the updated stuff it to Wiki once Allereli got booted and got replaced by a GM.

Yes, we were greenlit to continue doing exactly what the fuck we were doing. We were NEVER asked to stop. When Simu asked us to do shit, we do it, try it, tested shit on the public servers. We don't need to listen to all of the piece of shit PC trolls that don't understand anything and have access to literally nothing. When Simu says that HoA isn't the main contributor of lag, they're full of shit, but when Simu says that an organization was abusing game mechanics, they couldn't have possibly been mistaking anything, and it MUST have been HoA, that's the only way to read that statement. Strange how fucking selectively you're choosing to believe what you want to.

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Whirlin so fucking mad or so fucking dumb he thinks I'm fucking someone else right now.

You do realize I'm not Flimbo right? And have literally never championed or done any of the bullshit you mentioned. But we should really take your word for it.

Or better yet, you just proved that you were green lit to shit on the server and ruin everyone elses experience long before you left and took all your toys with you and got kicked out of your own MHO.

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There was almost a good year where I wasn’t premium and I would hunt the scatter during HoA REIM nights. I never experienced lag. Maybe you should stop downloading porn Ordim?

This thread fucking rules

Someone call someone else a cuck I’m so close to busting a nut over here from the impotent animosity about Gemstone IV

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Ohh noes, someone confused a one dimensional pieces of shit that I don't give a flying fuck about with a different one in a game I haven't been active in in years! OMG, LULZ.

I moved all my shit to a Patreon so I could afford a sub after some medical shit went down, more things I've explained time and time again, shit doesn't just disappear from the wiki, I worked with the wiki mods, discussed it, and got it taken down for extenuating circumstances. Not that any of that matters, someone bought into the patreon, reuploaded the updated stuff it to Wiki once Allereli got booted and got replaced by a GM.

Yes, we were greenlit to continue doing exactly what the fuck we were doing. We were NEVER asked to stop. When Simu asked us to do shit, we do it, try it, tested shit on the public servers. We don't need to listen to all of the piece of shit PC trolls that don't understand anything and have access to literally nothing. When Simu says that HoA isn't the main contributor of lag, they're full of shit, but when Simu says that an organization was abusing game mechanics, they couldn't have possibly been mistaking anything, and it MUST have been HoA, that's the only way to read that statement. Strange how fucking selectively you're choosing to believe what you want to.

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When its fucking obvious that your organization was/is the cause of it from the start and they did their best to point the finger literally everywhere else until they were forced to admit it? Yes.
That the same organization was then the majority of people that got wrapped up in a GMA situation and let off easy? yes.

I think it's pretty easy to see a pattern here.

Then they finally admitted they needed to make back end engine changes to deal with the spam of commands to partially mitigate the situation.

Awful lotta favors given to you over the years eh? Had your own forums that failed, your Discord had a bunch of GMs, the above situation. Lotta special attention paid to Whirlin and his endeavors and those of his friends.

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When its fucking obvious that your organization was/is the cause of it from the start and they did their best to point the finger literally everywhere else until they were forced to admit it? Yes.
That the same organization was then the majority of people that got wrapped up in a GMA situation and let off easy? yes.
I think it's pretty easy to see a pattern here.
Then they finally admitted they needed to make back end engine changes to deal with the spam of commands to partially mitigate the situation.
Awful lotta favors given to you over the years eh? Had your own forums that failed, your Discord had a bunch of GMs, the above situation. Lotta special attention paid to Whirlin and his endeavors and those of his friends.

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Again... you say that HoA is riddled with GMAs based on your own assumptions that they were talking solely about HoA, when you still haven't proven shit, while concurrently call them liars when they said HoA wasn't a cause of the lag.

If you go back and reread those threads, you'll see that I literally began the thread calling out Simutronics for saying shit and that I believed that we were causing lag, and wanted to do something about it. I also provided them logs of concurrent HoA members for every day that we had ever run events (a tradition which is currently still happening, so that Simu can compare it with their logs) But lets not bring up facts when it may conflict with your world view that you're creating from that view up your own ass.

Do you really think those were my forums? They were Ondreian's who asked me to be involved, as he wanted to run something a more up to date forum after PC got hacked. He reached out to the GMs ahead of time to get requirements from them because he wanted to have support and try to upgrade their crap because the officials are steaming piles of shit. But, I'm supposed to go OMG LULZ because you think I'm two people, and you're a fucking idiot for not knowing the difference, right? You must be sooo fucking dumb.

My Discord was the first Gemstone related discord, so yeah, GMs joined it because Discord wasn't a thing yet, and simu didn't have a stance on using it, and I was using it to help folks that joined based on that Taldorian community college youtube ad. Because it was something Simu wasn't offering yet. OMFG, it's such special treatment for utilizing technology to get in touch with folks. How fucking dare they!

You can call it special treatment if you want... I've delivered damage modeling spreadsheets, I've supported Tsoran's trainer, I've established new user guides for the community, I lead CHEs when they would otherwise be disbanded, I knew several folks before they became GM because I've been active in the community for a long time, I established a MHO that, to your own words, is full of all of the whales of Gemstone, implemented new interest in their mechanics, defended them when shit was hitting the fan on their wizard changes.

How fucking dare they ever send someone a discord message asking how I'm doing out of the blue. How fucking DARE they have a conversation with someone about modeling that wrote in depth guides on mechanics and mathematics about the game. What the FUCK kind of SPECIAL TREATMENT is that? That's fucking ridiculous favortism! Why don't they send messages when all I do is Cry on PC about an MHO that's existed for years lagging my game? Waaah.

You cuck

Actually lol rn

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Again... you say that HoA is riddled with GMAs based on your own assumptions that they were talking solely about HoA, when you still haven't proven shit, while concurrently call them liars when they said HoA wasn't a cause of the lag.

If you go back and reread those threads, you'll see that I literally began the thread calling out Simutronics for saying shit and that I believed that we were causing lag, and wanted to do something about it. I also provided them logs of concurrent HoA members for every day that we had ever run events (a tradition which is currently still happening, so that Simu can compare it with their logs) But lets not bring up facts when it may conflict with your world view that you're creating from that view up your own ass.

Do you really think those were my forums? They were Ondreian's who asked me to be involved, as he wanted to run something a more up to date forum after PC got hacked. He reached out to the GMs ahead of time to get requirements from them because he wanted to have support and try to upgrade their crap because the officials are steaming piles of shit. But, I'm supposed to go OMG LULZ because you think I'm two people, and you're a fucking idiot for not knowing the difference, right? You must be sooo fucking dumb.

My Discord was the first Gemstone related discord, so yeah, GMs joined it because Discord wasn't a thing yet, and simu didn't have a stance on using it, and I was using it to help folks that joined based on that Taldorian community college youtube ad. Because it was something Simu wasn't offering yet. OMFG, it's such special treatment for utilizing technology to get in touch with folks. How fucking dare they!

You can call it special treatment if you want... I've delivered damage modeling spreadsheets, I've supported Tsoran's trainer, I've established new user guides for the community, I lead CHEs when they would otherwise be disbanded, I knew several folks before they became GM because I've been active in the community for a long time, I established a MHO that, to your own words, is full of all of the whales of Gemstone, implemented new interest in their mechanics, defended them when shit was hitting the fan on their wizard changes.

How fucking dare they ever send someone a discord message asking how I'm doing out of the blue. How fucking DARE they have a conversation with someone about modeling that wrote in depth guides on mechanics and mathematics about the game. What the FUCK kind of SPECIAL TREATMENT is that? That's fucking ridiculous favortism! Why don't they send messages when all I do is Cry on PC about an MHO that's existed for years lagging my game? Waaah.

You cuck

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As long as your cool with "Fuck you got mine" you shine on you crazy diamond.

I can't believe you got Allerelli kicked off the wiki so you could get a couple of bucks.

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As long as your cool with "Fuck you got mine" you shine on you crazy diamond.

I can't believe you got Allerelli kicked off the wiki so you could get a couple of bucks.

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News to me on Allereli. Source on that, or was it also made up Ordimuphisownassworld?

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reuploaded the updated stuff it to Wiki once Allereli got booted and got replaced by a GM

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You literally wrote that less than hour ago.

I never implied causation, I was commenting on timing. Did you really read that as causation?

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I never implied causation, I was commenting on timing. Did you really read that as causation?

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Sounds like revenge for having your monetized guides taken off the wiki and allowed back on.

Are we all allowed to now take our contributions off the wiki and put them behind pay walls?

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Sounds like revenge for having your monetized guides taken off the wiki and allowed back on.

Are we all allowed to now take our contributions off the wiki and put them behind pay walls?

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Probably... if you spent dozens of hours writing the articles from scratch as the sole contributor, and talked to them to show them financial hardships, and explained that all proceeds were going to pay the sub to continue producing content. Can you point to an instance when that's happened and they've said no?

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Probably... if you spent dozens of hours writing the articles from scratch as the sole contributor, and talked to them to show them financial hardships, and explained that all proceeds were going to pay the sub to continue producing content. Can you point to an instance when that's happened and they've said no?

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I got a year-long ban for a forums post, so v0v.

http://forum.gsplayers.com/image/jpe...QhMiCEIQB//9k=

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Sounds like revenge for having your monetized guides taken off the wiki and allowed back on.

Are we all allowed to now take our contributions off the wiki and put them behind pay walls?

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If she helped me remove them and get that set up in the first place,
a) why would she allow them to be put back on, and (b) why would I hurt her after she helped me?

The narration at Ordimuphisownassworld is truly spectacular. Apparently I'm a supervillian and EVERYTHING bad happens because of me!

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I can't believe you got Allerelli kicked off the wiki so you could get a couple of bucks.

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Poor Allerelilie

WHIRLIN Y U DO DIS

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If she helped me remove them and get that set up in the first place,
a) why would she allow them to be put back on, and (b) why would I hurt her after she helped me?

The narration at Ordimuphisownassworld is truly spectacular. Apparently I'm a supervillian and EVERYTHING bad happens because of me!

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The story of Whirlin - I'm so special and its okay that I get special treatment because of previously stated specialty.


I wonder where they would draw the line on that. Plenty of people contribute lots of stuff to the wiki, who is to say what is important and what is not? Apparently you've proven my point, you were dictated as special enough to warrant special treatment. Which opens up the question of just how far that extends.

Should the people who post storyline updates on the forums and on the wiki be allowed to lock that behind paywalls that benefit themselves?

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Should the people who post storyline updates on the forums and on the wiki be allowed to lock that behind paywalls that benefit themselves?

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Yes

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The story of Whirlin - I'm so special and its okay that I get special treatment because of previously stated specialty.


I wonder where they would draw the line on that. Plenty of people contribute lots of stuff to the wiki, who is to say what is important and what is not? Apparently you've proven my point, you were dictated as special enough to warrant special treatment. Which opens up the question of just how far that extends.

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A majority of their articles are collaborative. Mine were not. Can you provide a list of non-collaborative articles that were asked to be taken down, or is this just Ordimuphisownassworld?

Why the fuck wouldn't I get your sorry ass banned if I was this all powerful Supervillain? I liked Allereli while you're a worthless piece of shit.

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I got a year-long ban for a forums post, so v0v.

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If you were in HoA you'd have only gotten a warning.

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Should the people who post storyline updates on the forums and on the wiki be allowed to lock that behind paywalls that benefit themselves?

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Yes

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Hopefully more players take advantage of this little known benefit.

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Probably... if you spent dozens of hours writing the articles from scratch as the sole contributor, and talked to them to show them financial hardships, and explained that all proceeds were going to pay the sub to continue producing content. Can you point to an instance when that's happened and they've said no?

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In contrast to spending 8 years writing a story, having SIMU take that story, monetize it and then tell you that you have to pay $ to convert to the deity you created. I never thought to tell them my lot rent was due.

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Tysong is probably the only one that in my opinion has a soul in that group..but I may be wrong

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Maylan is a member, and she’s just the worst.

Maylan is definitely the worst.

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Which is why I think Simu was full of it when they blamed Dreavenings. Sure I'll admit back in the days when I did the Dreavenings outside the bank I would have people complain about the lag while I was casting, but once I realized I was the problem I stopped doing Dreavenings until I could implement my solution of doing groups at the tables. Ever since I made that change I never once had anyone complain about lag during Dreavenings.

That's why I thought it was odd that years later the GMs decided I was causing lag. I don't know if they really thought I was causing lag or if they were looking for a scapegoat or what.

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To be fair, you moved to tables because Kenstrom wtfpwned a Dreavening with an invasion.

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To be fair, you moved to tables because Kenstrom wtfpwned a Dreavening with an invasion.

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I moved to the tables after I crashed the game, that was when I fully realized that I was indeed causing lag :p

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I moved to the tables after I crashed the game, that was when I fully realized that I was indeed causing lag :p

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Lies. I remember how mad you were, threatening to quit GS after the entire dreavening was wiped out. The next Dreavening you did was at the tables.

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Lies. I remember how mad you were, threatening to quit GS after the entire dreavening was wiped out. The next Dreavening you did was at the tables.

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I was upset but I didn't threaten to quit GS over it, nor did I move to the tables after that.

The crash might have happened shortly after that so maybe this all happened in a short span of time.

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I was upset but I didn't threaten to quit GS over it, nor did I move to the tables after that.

The crash might have happened shortly after that so maybe this all happened in a short span of time.

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You were at the tables for the very next one! I remember we were telling you too, move to tables.

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You were at the tables for the very next one! I remember we were telling you too, move to tables.

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I remember specifically I moved to the tables because of the crash.

The game crashed, I didn't really think it was the Dreavening that caused the crash and I thought it was just a coincidence, so I tried to do a Dreavening again and the game lagged so badly I thought the game was going to crash again so I exited all of my guys out right away to prevent another crash and that's when I decided I couldn't keep doing this because I was lagging the game and crashing it when there were enough people with me.

It's possible this happened shortly after the invasion killed a lot of people at the Dreavening because I do remember saying another bonus of moving to the tables is that they are sancted so I shouldn't have to worry about an invasion killing everyone again.

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I remember specifically I moved to the tables because of the crash.

The game crashed, I didn't really think it was the Dreavening that caused the crash and I thought it was just a coincidence, so I tried to do a Dreavening again and the game lagged so badly I thought the game was going to crash again so I exited all of my guys out right away to prevent another crash and that's when I decided I couldn't keep doing this because I was lagging the game and crashing it when there were enough people with me.

It's possible this happened shortly after the invasion killed a lot of people at the Dreavening because I do remember saying another bonus of moving to the tables is that they are sancted so I shouldn't have to worry about an invasion killing everyone again.

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I remember specifically you were raging on lnet about ending dreavenings and then you moved to the tables right after. I thought it was hilarious.

Don't get so mad. :(

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I remember specifically you were raging on lnet about ending dreavenings and then you moved to the tables right after. I thought it was hilarious.

Don't get so mad. :(

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I'm not mad! You're mad!

I do remember being upset about the invasion though because I wasn't sure if the GM was incorporating the Dreavening into the invasion (like "Wouldn't it be cool if these critters attacked these heroes while they spell up? Makes them seem coordinated!") in which case I would have thought that was cool, or if it was all just a coincidence in which case I just wasted like 20 minutes of my time for nothing :p

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You do realize I'm not Flimbo right?

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Allegedly.

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This thread fucking rules

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💯. There isn’t anyone I dislike on this forum too (forum posters and players are always different/separate) but this is riveting and must read work dump break material.

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Why? I don't owe you shit. I'm paying and playing a game from simutronics, any transaction is with them. If their servers can't support my completely acceptable way of playing, and it's influencing your experiences, take it up with them, I owe you fucking nothing whatsoever. We worked with Simutronics to fix the problems. We don't answer to you, you clearly know jack shit about what we've done, you know jack shit about how the underlying code works, you're barely even able to read, definitely not comprehend anything, we don't owe your toxic ass a thing. You're not in a position of power, you're just a fucking crybaby that's fucking powerless and is throwing a tantrum with a holier than thou attitude.

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That's right bitches, your sub costs are to pay for Whirlins sandbox. His financial hardship requires it.

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Post #515 in another wizard thread with an unlimited power gif.

Coincidence or conspiracy?

You decide

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Post #515 in another wizard thread with an unlimited power gif.

Coincidence or conspiracy?

You decide

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Ermagerdz you are SO funny. I almost forgot you were a lying corrupt cheater that got away with a warning!

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You do realize I'm not Flimbo right? And have literally never championed or done any of the bullshit you mentioned. But we should really take your word for it.

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Why are you even referencing me? Because he said you think monks need enchanting? I'm literally the only person on the planet who has championed the cause of "Monks are fine how they are and have plenty because they're awesome".

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Originally Posted by Parkbandit

To be fair, you've never struck me as someone who would throw a punch at anyone. Slap maybe. Eye scratch perhaps.

A punch?

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Probably pulls hair too.

You guys all talk shit. When I used to fight, I did everything I could to win. That would include pulling hair, eye gouging, slapping, ball kicks, titty twisters, etc.

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Why are you even referencing me? Because he said you think monks need enchanting? I'm literally the only person on the planet who has championed the cause of "Monks are fine how they are and have plenty because they're awesome".

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No, because you're a one tones toxic piece of shit with nothing functional to add to anything. Fortybox had specific concerns, but even we at least reached some sort of understanding. Folks had problems with the lack of RP, that's incredibly true, and if I were in a position of power, I'd probably do something about it. You're rants are fucking baseless, and you're nothing but a worthless toxic troll in literally everything you do. From every crying post about how monks NEED to have something like enchanting because it's not fair that sorcerers and wizards have shit, to your constant baseless attacks even when disproven. You add absolutely nothing to anything I've ever seen you take part of. Maybe you should do more crying posts about how simu hates monks and quit again, or go on more aliases on Reddit to complain about game companies.

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Monks should be able to give karate lessons to earn silver with.

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Monks should be able to give karate lessons to earn silver with.

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When Simu says that HoA isn't the main contributor of lag, they're full of shit, but when Simu says that an organization was abusing game mechanics, they couldn't have possibly been mistaking anything, and it MUST have been HoA, that's the only way to read that statement. Strange how fucking selectively you're choosing to believe what you want to.

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I'm pretty sure the difference is that so far, unless I missed something, nobody in HoA has denied anything with this enchanting fiasco. Unless you count BriarFox, who apparently wasn't actually involved, trying to be the public defender from My Cousin Vinny, which didn't do HoA any favors.

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I went to a Reim run once. Someone gave me an orb, and I had just returned to the game, so I really had no clue what I was getting into. I must say, I will likely never go again.

If I have to literally turn off half the settings of the front end, and still can't really even interact with the game or other characters there, I might as well be playing a game with my monitor turned off.

At first I thought it would be neat that it encourages group effort to complete a quest. But then I realized it was a totally robotic experience that is for pure farming purposes.

Is HoA to blame for all the Reim issues? Well, I guess what I consider issues, clearly others do not, as they are happy to participate. But there's still of course the lag, and mechanical benefits earned by those who participate, which does have an impact on everyone. It's something I've thought a lot about, because it's not exactly black and white, cut and dry.

I may not like what HoA does personally, but they are breaking no rules, and who am I to tell them how they should play and enjoy Gemstone? Plenty of them disagree with my play-style, and have utter disgust for me being a thief, and feel that I ruin other people's gaming experience by forcing CvC. I think it's a load of pansy BS, but they are entitled to that opinion nonetheless (At least they can opt out by closing their bags. I can't opt out of the lag except by logging off!). Do I think that HoA is being selfish and self serving by continuing to run Reim nights knowing how it negatively affects everyone else? Yes, yes I do. If it was me, I'd care more about my negative impact on the game, than I would about serving myself and my MHO's interests.

But even so, they are absolutely entitled to do what they are doing, and are breaking absolutely no rules. In the end, Simu deserves most of the blame, as I think pretty much everyone, even those who hate HoA the most, would agree.

Simu has the power to simply pull Reim, yet they won't. They have the power to enact other restrictions that reduce or remove the lag, but they do not. Clearly, they value that extra Reim money over the experience of everyone else. To me, that's sad, and shows the greatest issue most of us know the game currently faces - Pay 2 Win.

Now that we're at it, I now have a problem with monks. As Methais said, they should be allowed to teach people karate for silver.

Also they should be able to specialize in different disciplines of fighting, like bards learn instruments.

Also after becoming double black belts in Brazilian Karate they should be allowed to participate in Elanthian UFC.

Fuck this thread. Fuck every other thread. Everybody get on the horn to Simutronics right now and make this happen.

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I went to a Reim run once. Someone gave me an orb, and I had just returned to the game, so I really had no clue what I was getting into. I must say, I will likely never go again.

If I have to literally turn off half the settings of the front end, and still can't really even interact with the game or other characters there, I might as well be playing a game with my monitor turned off.

At first I thought it would be neat that it encourages group effort to complete a quest. But then I realized it was a totally robotic experience that is for pure farming purposes.

Is HoA to blame for all the Reim issues? Well, I guess what I consider issues, clearly others do not, as they are happy to participate. But there's still of course the lag, and mechanical benefits earned by those who participate, which does have an impact on everyone. It's something I've thought a lot about, because it's not exactly black and white, cut and dry.

I may not like what HoA does personally, but they are breaking no rules, and who am I to tell them how they should play and enjoy Gemstone? Plenty of them disagree with my play-style, and have utter disgust for me being a thief, and feel that I ruin other people's gaming experience by forcing CvC. I think it's a load of pansy BS, but they are entitled to that opinion nonetheless (At least they can opt out by closing their bags. I can't opt out of the lag except by logging off!). Do I think that HoA is being selfish and self serving by continuing to run Reim nights knowing how it negatively affects everyone else? Yes, yes I do. If it was me, I'd care more about my negative impact on the game, than I would about serving myself and my MHO's interests.

But even so, they are absolutely entitled to do what they are doing, and are breaking absolutely no rules. In the end, Simu deserves most of the blame, as I think pretty much everyone, even those who hate HoA the most, would agree.

Simu has the power to simply pull Reim, yet they won't. They have the power to enact other restrictions that reduce or remove the lag, but they do not. Clearly, they value that extra Reim money over the experience of everyone else. To me, that's sad, and shows the greatest issue most of us know the game currently faces - Pay 2 Win.

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I'm not sure REIM falls under pay 2 Win though. Most only use their daily premmy entry for REIM. I never re-orb myself and I don't even recall seeing any others doing it as much as people use to do it in the beginning. So if no one is buying orbs then Simu isn't getting any extra money out of this. I have quite a few orbs laying around when they were being sold half off from a few years ago that I plan to use once I go back to a regular account.

I myself was always against pay 2 win but then I started buying DR Books with silvers then buying them with the bloodscrip earned. I'm not really paying real cash at this point but others are. I mean it works... if people want to pay cash for books and sell me them with my in game currencies I'm completely fine with that.

But to note I have purchased some DR entries and DM entries in the past. But it's not something I've done in awhile with real cash.

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This thread fucking rules

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This is correct.

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Someone call someone else a cuck I’m so close to busting a nut over here from the impotent animosity about Gemstone IV

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Reported for being a cuck.

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I got a year-long ban for a forums post, so v0v.

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wtf did you post?

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Post #515 in another wizard thread with an unlimited power gif.

Coincidence or conspiracy?

You decide

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Estild will be along shortly to change it to post 514.5 and blame it on Mana Leech.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

You guys all talk shit. When I used to fight, I did everything I could to win. That would include pulling hair, eye gouging, slapping, ball kicks, titty twisters, etc.

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I only do suplexes and piledrivers. And flying elbows off the top rope, depending on what's available to improvise with.

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I'm not sure REIM falls under pay 2 Win though. Most only use their daily premmy entry for REIM. I never re-orb myself and I don't even recall seeing any others doing it as much as people use to do it in the beginning. So if no one is buying orbs then Simu isn't getting any extra money out of this. I have quite a few orbs laying around when they were being sold half off from a few years ago that I plan to use once I go back to a regular account.

I myself was always against pay 2 win but then I started buying DR Books with silvers then buying them with the bloodscrip earned. I'm not really paying real cash at this point but others are. I mean it works... if people want to pay cash for books and sell me them with my in game currencies I'm completely fine with that.

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I definitely don't consider Reim at the top of the Pay 2 Win list, by any means. I also can't speak for orb purchases. But it's certainly a factor in Premie subs, whatever the case may be.

But quite frankly, when I brought up Pay2Win issues in HoA Discord, it was literally me vs. the entire chat room- I was mocked, ridiculed, and scorned. In fact, many turned it into a joke all the way up until the day I was banned from the channel. Even people I once had respect for, I hold in less regard, because of the way they treated me for my views on it, and how blatantly Simu was defended.

But hey, what should I have expected? I might as well have gone to a church on Sunday and told them there is no God. Replace the altar with a Wyrom statue, and we'd have the exact same situation as me in HoA chat.

Oh man, and when I said that Simu has been doing way less Dev outside of Pay 2 Win, since 2016 or whenever it all really started getting crazy - HoA was like little Wyrom zealots going into action to defend him and Simu. HoA has their head so far up Wyrom's arse, they can't even see what's happening!

Does that mean everyone in HoA feels the same way? Probably not. But not ONE person tried to stand up for what I was saying there. Not ONE!! But I GUARANTEE you PC would have ripped you guys to shreds if you tried to make those weak Simu worshipping arguments here. It's why HoA hates PC so much - they can't handle the truth, because it means they are wrong. And that they are a huge part of the Pay 2 Win problem, IMO.

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I definitely don't consider Reim at the top of the Pay 2 Win list, by any means. I also can't speak for orb purchases. But it's certainly a factor in Premie subs, whatever the case may be.

But quite frankly, when I brought up Pay2Win issues in HoA Discord, it was literally me vs. the entire chat room- I was mocked, ridiculed, and scorned. In fact, many turned it into a joke all the way up until the day I was banned from the channel. Even people I once had respect for, I hold in less regard, because of the way they treated me for my views on it, and how blatantly Simu was defended.

But hey, what should I have expected? I might as well have gone to a church on Sunday and told them there is no God. Replace the altar with a Wyrom statue, and we'd have the exact same situation as me in HoA chat.

Oh man, and when I said that Simu has been doing way less Dev outside of Pay 2 Win, since 2016 or whenever it all really started getting crazy - HoA was like little Wyrom zealots going into action to defend him and Simu. HoA has their head so far up Wyrom's arse, they can't even see what's happening!

Does that mean everyone in HoA feels the same way? Probably not. But not ONE person tried to stand up for what I was saying there. Not ONE!! But I GUARANTEE you PC would have ripped you guys to shreds if you tried to make those weak Simu worshipping arguments here. It's why HoA hates PC so much - they can't handle the truth, because it means they are wrong. And that they are a huge part of the Pay 2 Win problem, IMO.

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The reason why Wyrom set up Discord was to stifle contrary opinions. Discord is a place where the butt smooching occurs. Wyrom is not interested in player feedback unless it’s positive.

This is why he removed feedback from the officials and also why he jumped on the bandwagon for the failed safe space forum coup a couple years back.

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The reason why Wyrom set up Discord was to stifle contrary opinions. Discord is a place where the butt smooching occurs. Wyrom is not interested in player feedback unless it’s positive.

This is why he removed feedback from the officials and also why he jumped on the bandwagon for the failed safe space forum coup a couple years back.

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I don't know. I offer a lot of contrary opinions on Discord, and outside of people saying I'm being a Negative Nancy, no one has tried to silence me there.

Discord is ok for GS chat.

Discord as the primary a means of distribution for in game news is a fucking disaster.

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Originally Posted by Methais

Discord is ok for GS chat.

Discord as the primary a means of distribution for in game news is a fucking disaster.

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Typical Simu business there, lol. They are happy to use volunteers to do their job for them, for free (Newsby).

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Originally Posted by Mobius1

I definitely don't consider Reim at the top of the Pay 2 Win list, by any means. I also can't speak for orb purchases. But it's certainly a factor in Premie subs, whatever the case may be.

But quite frankly, when I brought up Pay2Win issues in HoA Discord, it was literally me vs. the entire chat room- I was mocked, ridiculed, and scorned. In fact, many turned it into a joke all the way up until the day I was banned from the channel. Even people I once had respect for, I hold in less regard, because of the way they treated me for my views on it, and how blatantly Simu was defended.

But hey, what should I have expected? I might as well have gone to a church on Sunday and told them there is no God. Replace the altar with a Wyrom statue, and we'd have the exact same situation as me in HoA chat.

Oh man, and when I said that Simu has been doing way less Dev outside of Pay 2 Win, since 2016 or whenever it all really started getting crazy - HoA was like little Wyrom zealots going into action to defend him and Simu. HoA has their head so far up Wyrom's arse, they can't even see what's happening!

Does that mean everyone in HoA feels the same way? Probably not. But not ONE person tried to stand up for what I was saying there. Not ONE!! But I GUARANTEE you PC would have ripped you guys to shreds if you tried to make those weak Simu worshipping arguments here. It's why HoA hates PC so much - they can't handle the truth, because it means they are wrong. And that they are a huge part of the Pay 2 Win problem, IMO.

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TABARNAK

Just like to point out it's 4-5 individuals throwing their hate on this topic.

It'd be the same 4-5 individuals when another issue will happen.

Also, notice those 4-5 individuals NEVER try to construct on the matter, only fingers pointing, calling names, try to disrupt reputations and so on.

And some of them don't even play anymore LOL

Well, I'll tell you what. I right here and now apologize to any HoA members that were offended by anything I said.

You guys should understand full well why I have a beef with your MHO, but I don't want any of you to think it's personal. I get carried away and may say some things that were perhaps too harsh, but my intent was not simply to malign and bash your group.

I truly have good friends in your group, and just because we have very differing views on many things, does not make me hate you. I actually just wish you guys would tone down the elitism, and at least do SOME bloody RP events. If you guys did even ONE, I would probably gladly eat my words.

I’m not in the MHO but am in the server and did reply on PC before when that argument was brought up about no (or little?) Dev outside pay events with a list Leafiara has been compiling.

I haven’t look at it recently but there obviously has been plenty. Some disagree with the pace or resources devoted from pay take, which is understandable. But saying little or none is just wrong and belittling to the improvements and work done (or just ignorant from being gone awhile or not paying enough attention on small and daily announcements).

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I’m not in the MHO but am in the server and did reply on PC before when that argument was brought up about no (or little?) Dev outside pay events with a list Leafiara has been compiling.

I haven’t look at it recently but there obviously has been plenty. Some disagree with the pace or resources devoted from pay take, which is understandable. But saying little or none is just wrong and belittling to the improvements and work done (or just ignorant from being gone awhile or not paying enough attention on small and daily announcements).

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Where can this list be found? I'm curious how much is meaningful dev and how much is shit like "We fixed a typo. SEE? DEV!!!!"

http://gstowncrier.com/special_repor...hangelog-2019/

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Just like to point out it's 4-5 individuals throwing their hate on this topic.

It'd be the same 4-5 individuals when another issue will happen.

Also, notice those 4-5 individuals NEVER try to construct on the matter, only fingers pointing, calling names, try to disrupt reputations and so on.

And some of them don't even play anymore LOL

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Starts out his paragraph pointing things out.

Accuses 4-5 for pointing things out.

:lol:

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Where can this list be found? I'm curious how much is meaningful dev and how much is shit like "We fixed a typo. SEE? DEV!!!!"

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Um, horse hair jewelry was released in June. Maybe you should take your h8 elsewhere?!

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Well, I'll tell you what. I right here and now apologize to any HoA members that were offended by anything I said.

You guys should understand full well why I have a beef with your MHO, but I don't want any of you to think it's personal. I get carried away and may say some things that were perhaps too harsh, but my intent was not simply to malign and bash your group.

I truly have good friends in your group, and just because we have very differing views on many things, does not make me hate you. I actually just wish you guys would tone down the elitism, and at least do SOME bloody RP events. If you guys did even ONE, I would probably gladly eat my words.

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I have no issues with you at all which you already know. I never have issues with anyone in general. Sure there might be some sparring on here from time to time with people. But it's always forgotten pretty quickly. Not everyone is always going to see eye to eye on things that's just the way it is.

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Starts out his paragraph pointing things out.

Accuses 4-5 for pointing things out.

:lol:

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How can you evolve and become a better person if you are never wrong ?

How can you be a good boss / father /husband if you never admit any kind of mistake but feel the HURGE to do so against anyone and do it ad nauseam?

You're a fascinating contradiction man.

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Um, horse hair jewelry was released in June. Maybe you should take your h8 elsewhere?!

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That one wouldn't count, pay event!

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Well, I'll tell you what. I right here and now apologize to any HoA members that were offended by anything I said.

You guys should understand full well why I have a beef with your MHO, but I don't want any of you to think it's personal. I get carried away and may say some things that were perhaps too harsh, but my intent was not simply to malign and bash your group.

I truly have good friends in your group, and just because we have very differing views on many things, does not make me hate you. I actually just wish you guys would tone down the elitism, and at least do SOME bloody RP events. If you guys did even ONE, I would probably gladly eat my words.

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Who cares if people get offended. HoA should be disbanded and bans should go to those involved.

I mean, looking through the list, it probably does actually as it introduces it to the game (like Mounts) but can be sold to others players for silver or whatever. The final buyer does not necessarily need to pay Simu.

Anyway, not the Dev I meant as it's an item.

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How can you evolve and become a better person if you are never wrong ?

How can you be a good boss / father /husband if you never admit any kind of mistake but feel the HURGE to do so against anyone and do it ad nauseam?

You're a fascinating contradiction man.

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I don’t always hurge but when I do, I hurge hard. NNNNGGHHH!!

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I don’t always hurge but when I do, I hurge hard. NNNNGGHHH!!

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Heard nothing

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Heard nothing

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B/c I don’t care what you say.

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B/c I don’t care what you say.

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SHOCKING NEWS!

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SHOCKING NEWS!

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Lalalala can’t hear youuuuuuu.

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I posted something about how project manager was a bad title because he canceled all the projects and couldn't manage anyone to get anything done. The post got pulled nearly immediately and I was banned from the forums for sass. I get an email later that day from him saying "whats up with this we never had problems before" to which we went back and forth over how the state of the game was (in still many ways is) and they were ignoring the time and effort numerous other people were putting into explaining why such and such a thing was broken or bad and it ended with me finally telling him and the dev team "Merry Christmas and go fuck yourself".

This was when he was trying to be all "I'm the hip cool PM that is just one of the guys" by calling people out on the forums by posting their subscription details and how if they actually spent any money or not. Basically doing the absolute worst and stupidest things you could do as a company guy.

So it would be more fair to say, and I have said this before, that I was banned for telling him to go fuck himself in an email that he initiated. I was lucky enough to be able to sell off the biggest things I had at the time so it wasn't too bad at the end of the day. Was surprised to come back to see some of the advice was taken (QST is awesome, premium events are in a great spot, been a few prime RP festivals/events) but almost everything else is still the same or worse - Duskruin prices are getting even more out of hand and out of touch, Rumor woods was great in theory but they fucked it up by creating yet another currency that everyone had to buy into, and HoTA still rules the roost as GM favorite MHO.

On top of that, they've managed to start killing off MHO creation in general and apparently are giving up on player-created content in all but name. Expanding the MHO system, putting an extra GM to help out in that area and enforcing the existing rules while increasing the benefits would be a nice start. With how the business is going, they will probably make every MHO event require a simucoin purchase though.

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I definitely don't consider Reim at the top of the Pay 2 Win list, by any means. I also can't speak for orb purchases. But it's certainly a factor in Premie subs, whatever the case may be.

But quite frankly, when I brought up Pay2Win issues in HoA Discord, it was literally me vs. the entire chat room- I was mocked, ridiculed, and scorned. In fact, many turned it into a joke all the way up until the day I was banned from the channel. Even people I once had respect for, I hold in less regard, because of the way they treated me for my views on it, and how blatantly Simu was defended.

But hey, what should I have expected? I might as well have gone to a church on Sunday and told them there is no God. Replace the altar with a Wyrom statue, and we'd have the exact same situation as me in HoA chat.

Oh man, and when I said that Simu has been doing way less Dev outside of Pay 2 Win, since 2016 or whenever it all really started getting crazy - HoA was like little Wyrom zealots going into action to defend him and Simu. HoA has their head so far up Wyrom's arse, they can't even see what's happening!

Does that mean everyone in HoA feels the same way? Probably not. But not ONE person tried to stand up for what I was saying there. Not ONE!! But I GUARANTEE you PC would have ripped you guys to shreds if you tried to make those weak Simu worshipping arguments here. It's why HoA hates PC so much - they can't handle the truth, because it means they are wrong. And that they are a huge part of the Pay 2 Win problem, IMO.

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I think its very fair to say that most of the item/script creation "development" has been locked behind duskruin and other pay events, in really terrible ways.
Unlock certs for every little bit and piece, some items requiring 5+ certs, each costing over $100.
Limited access to those unlock certs which comes with its own aftermarket sales issues and access issues.
Outlandish pricing for high-end offerings and unreliable access to them for those that do actually try to save up over time.

Look at what they did with Voln certs recently, they created what was asked for and then turned around and charged even more than it cost previously. That's a pretty big "Fuck you" to the players.

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This coming from the guy that got a warning. You're definitely a good source of what is right! :D

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Look at what they did with Voln certs recently, they created what was asked for and then turned around and charged even more than it cost previously. That's a pretty big "Fuck you" to the players.

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To be fair, I believe Wyrom said this was an error and there was quite a bit of confusion over the broken-out Voln unlocks. I think we'll see them in a more sensible pricing scheme at EG.

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To be fair, I believe Wyrom said this was an error and there was quite a bit of confusion over the broken-out Voln unlocks. I think we'll see them in a more sensible pricing scheme at EG.

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I took the confusion being people buying the lower cost unlock cert thinking they could get T3-T4 for 75k instead of having to buy the 150k T4 cert.

The certs were clearly labeled, but clearly people were expecting a price break to go from T3-T4 instead of paying the same price as a Tx->T4 cert previously cost (that no one bought last I remember seeing stats).

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Originally Posted by AnOrdim

I posted something about how project manager was a bad title because he canceled all the projects and couldn't manage anyone to get anything done. The post got pulled nearly immediately and I was banned from the forums for sass. I get an email later that day from him saying "whats up with this we never had problems before" to which we went back and forth over how the state of the game was (in still many ways is) and they were ignoring the time and effort numerous other people were putting into explaining why such and such a thing was broken or bad and it ended with me finally telling him and the dev team "Merry Christmas and go fuck yourself".

This was when he was trying to be all "I'm the hip cool PM that is just one of the guys" by calling people out on the forums by posting their subscription details and how if they actually spent any money or not. Basically doing the absolute worst and stupidest things you could do as a company guy.

So it would be more fair to say, and I have said this before, that I was banned for telling him to go fuck himself in an email that he initiated. I was lucky enough to be able to sell off the biggest things I had at the time so it wasn't too bad at the end of the day. Was surprised to come back to see some of the advice was taken (QST is awesome, premium events are in a great spot, been a few prime RP festivals/events) but almost everything else is still the same or worse - Duskruin prices are getting even more out of hand and out of touch, Rumor woods was great in theory but they fucked it up by creating yet another currency that everyone had to buy into, and HoTA still rules the roost as GM favorite MHO.

On top of that, they've managed to start killing off MHO creation in general and apparently are giving up on player-created content in all but name. Expanding the MHO system, putting an extra GM to help out in that area and enforcing the existing rules while increasing the benefits would be a nice start. With how the business is going, they will probably make every MHO event require a simucoin purchase though.

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My only real issue with Wyrom is that dev has no accountability and just does literally wtf ever they want.

But this also isn't really a Wyrom thing, it's more of a Simu thing and predates Wyrom.

The TLDR according to what I've been told over the years is that while the PM technically can make DEV do XYZ, they're basically scared shitless that dev will get butthurt and quit, so they just let dev run wild and wreck everything in sight instead.

I'd imagine this problem has gotten much worse ever since they started getting a cut of P2W revenue and most of them want to work on just that. Which it's hard to blame them, considering they otherwise work for slave wages.

Estild or Coase or whoever could literally nerf every weapon in the game to have a minimum 30 second RT and make all spells have a 20 second cast RT, and there's a 99% chance that Wyrom or anyone else up high on the Simu ladder wouldn't do shit about it.

Dev has no accountability, and they know it.

Man you guys hate Simu a lot. Why does anyone play at all?

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Originally Posted by Mobius1

This coming from the guy that got a warning. You're definitely a good source of what is right! :D

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Yeah....you know there is a difference between morally right and factually right....right?

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Man you guys hate Simu a lot. Why does anyone play at all?

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Deep self-loathing.

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Originally Posted by AnOrdim

Deep self-loathing.

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He's not wrong.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Man you guys hate Simu a lot. Why does anyone play at all?

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Because we have years of time invested in this game, and there are plenty of things we love about it. And we want the game to last for many years to come, so thus wish for things to get better.

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Yeah....you know there is a difference between morally right and factually right....right?

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Incidentally, you seem to be wrong on both counts.

For example, the statement "Nothing you have said is right," is factually incorrect. Surely SOMETHING I have said is correct?

:popcorn:

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Originally Posted by Mobius1

Incidentally, you seem to be wrong on both counts.

For example, the statement "Nothing you have said is right," is factually incorrect. Surely SOMETHING I have said is correct?

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No, nothing you have said is correct.

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Originally Posted by drauz

No, nothing you have said is correct.

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I see. Well enjoy your warning, and suck on it too. :)

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Originally Posted by Mobius1

I see. Well enjoy your warning :)

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Thank you! It has been an amazing experience. I would recommend it to anyone.

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Originally Posted by drauz

No, nothing you have said is correct.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9-tYZkJ2p54

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Too long; didn't read.

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Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage

Man you guys hate Simu a lot. Why does anyone play at all?

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Mostly because I make money off of it while I'm already at work pretending to work while getting paid to be at work.

The game itself is cool. It's just that most of the people who run it that are inept autistic sacks of cornhole torpedoes with little to no good ideas and sniff their own farts.

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Thank you! It has been an amazing experience. I would recommend it to anyone.

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Can confirm. I got warned once, and when I woke up the next morning I was able to take normal dumps again.

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Originally Posted by Goat

Too long; didn't read.

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YOU CAN'T PROVE THAT!

This thread is now boring.

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Originally Posted by Fortybox

This thread is now boring.

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It was fun while it lasted :(

Thread closed. Failure to foment sufficient faux fury.

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Originally Posted by Stumplicker

Thread closed. Failure to foment sufficient faux fury.

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This thread got 58 pages in 3 days. It wasn't a failure, retard.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

This thread got 58 pages in 3 days. It wasn't a failure, retard.

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Fomentation failed.

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Originally Posted by Gelston

This thread got 58 pages in 3 days. It wasn't a failure, retard.

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It failed to last longer.

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Originally Posted by Methais

It failed to last longer.

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Lnet over the weekend was boring too.

The free premium freeloaders might be starting to drop off and there's no events until EG so that would explain the quiet boring Lnet

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Originally Posted by audioserf

free premium freeloaders

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http://i.imgur.com/usAfG.gif

Man, what a read.

I felt I had to add that.

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Originally Posted by audioserf

The free premium freeloaders might be starting to drop off and there's no events until EG so that would explain the quiet boring Lnet

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Kreek and Peam were both on. Astrenoir did provide some Saturday morning retardation but not enough to make it fun. What’s it take to get some good entertainment these days?

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Originally Posted by Fortybox

Kreek and Peam were both on. Astrenoir did provide some Saturday morning retardation but not enough to make it fun. What’s it take to get some good entertainment these days?

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Cocaine

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Originally Posted by Methais

Cocaine

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Astrenoir on cocaine does not sound entertaining at all. It’s already bad enough that he is on poutine.