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How was I trolling anyone? How is it Fallen comes along and says the exact same thing I did, references the exact same articles/stories I did, and yet I'm somehow trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
I think I called it earlier; everyone in this thread has psychosis!
Calling everyone bias, blind, and posting insulting gifs won't endear you to your audience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I damn well know I have psychosis, though, so I'll give you credit there.
When the hell did I do any of that? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
Tgo being rational.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
So I'm trolling because of a well documented case that actually happened? A case that even a website called "the cannabist" referenced as to why more regulation is coming towards Colorado?Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Must fight the urge to roll my eyes or else they will fly right outta my head!
It's all in how you present it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You're making implications about me multiple times in this thread that aren't even remotely clue yet you still insist on it. What is that if not trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Right.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Wait wait wait. Let's break down my post that was oh so full of "trolling."Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Have you not said multiple times that one cannot OD on marijuana in this thread? Have you not tried to downplay the guy going crazy and shooting his wife by harping on the fact that he was on "pain medication"? Was your answer to my question about why the guy jumped off the balcony "Darwin" and not "Cause he OD'ed on marijuana"? Didn't you rail against the idea of not making marijuana look like candy and cookies?Quote:
You have people like pk insisting marijuana is safe
Sure as hell sounds like you're saying it's safe.
Do I really need to link the thread where you basically called a man dying of cancer an idiot for not flying to Colorado and curing himself?Quote:
cures cancer and shit
You're mad at me for remembering your bullshit "arguments" and using them against you? That's not called "trolling", that's called paying attention and knowing how to make a moron look like a moron.
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
I never said you couldn't OD on marijuana.
You don't think it is a relevant fact that the guy was mixing prescription medications and cannabis?
Yes, Darwin. The kid clearly had pre-existing problems for jumping off a building.
No, I didn't rail against the idea of edibles not being candies and such.
I went over the current regulations in Colorado and all you did was scoff at the lab testing and ID requirements.
Yes, I have said cannabis can cure cancer but I've never said it is a cure all.
Troll harder, please.
Multiple claims of bias here along with a generally insulting tone.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
What is the point of carrying on when we're basically in agreement? A bit more oversight of edibles would be useful.
You're right, my bad. You said no one is going to OD on 2 marijuana edibles even after I linked to a story in which someone did just that. You also tried to claim that people who went to the hospital after ingesting marijuana were all just "dizzy." You then tried to say those people didn't OD, they had an "adverse reaction" to marijuana. Maybe you didn't specifically say one can't OD on marijuana but holy heck, you sure are trying to make it sound like it's near impossible and even if they do they will just get "dizzy."Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Of course it's relevant and exactly why I think marijuana should have a warning label advising against doing just that. Exactly like normal drugs say the same shit.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
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Originally Posted by waywardgs
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I scoffed at the fact that that's all the regulations you apparently thought was necessary.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Did I say you said it was a cure all? What is this if not trolling?Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Oh bittersweet irony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
How did I say anything about bias? How was the tone insulting? It's true. You need to only look at several posters in this very thread for the shit I claimed in that post.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
I have no idea. You're the one who accused me of:Quote:
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You're trying way too hard now.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
http://picsthatdontsuck.com/img/stop...ng-cat-paw.jpg
Yeah I'm not getting the continued angling for a fight. I think I'm done here.
With all the quoting... maybe he's on drugs.
You all give Latrin shit but there is another thing I think he got 100% right; doesn't matter if you link your sources or backup your claims with actual links and evidence, some people in this argument are going to just sit there and say:
http://asset-c.soup.io/asset/7956/9291_cdac_625.jpeg
While providing no sources or rationale for their arguments at all.
So I talked to my uncle and while he didn't say anything about a private room everything else is the same. The consumers don't have direct access to the buds or edibles. Those buying edibles are warned about the increased potency and especially the delayed reaction time. Also, a lot of shops are doing away with the colorful packaging and edibles are now coming in plain silver, child proof containers.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
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Originally Posted by Androidpk
If you reach the point where you are literally arguing with yourself...Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
http://picsthatdontsuck.com/img/stop...ng-cat-paw.jpg
Now you're just plain not making any sense.
Naw, man, you are the one at your computer reading, arguing, and hypothesizing. I am living it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Sorry I've been out of this thread for a while, but...ONE guy, who was on other drugs besides weed, jumps out of a window. That's your argument against it? Wow.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
http://www.hk94.com/hk/uploadgal/gal...09_1200631.gifQuote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
...and we're sure he wasn't the greatest man in the world?
For someone playing the "you don't know my life" argument you sure as hell act as if you know the life of everyone else.Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
...no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
A) The guy who jumped out the window was not on any other drugs at all. His family and friends and medical records attest that he never exhibited any mental problems such as this before.
B) The guy who went insane and shot his wife was also on painkillers.
C) At least 70 people, including children, were admitted to the hospital/ER or contacted a poison control center in 1 year in Colorado due to overdosing (or an adverse reaction!) to marijuana/THC.
D) I have never once, not even a single time, said I was against the legalization of marijuana.
E) I simply have been arguing for more regulation and better educating of the populace.
F) You couldn't even get one detail correct about my arguments yet still ended your post with a sarcastic "wow"?
G) Wow.
I've been quite vocal about this issue and my involvement and have upon numerous occasions shared details and welcomed discussion. Any "you don't know my life" arguments are generally reserved for discussions regarding my private relations. Speaking of which, I already asked you to hug it out and you didn't even hit me back. Sad panda.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
The kids and edibles thing is the primary reason I think it's dumb and unnessecary for weed to come in candy form. I don't get why it's necessary at all. You want to eat your weed that's fine. Why does it need to come in a cookie? Can anyone give me a reason why you can't just eat a regular cookie after ingesting in pill form or whatever? And don't give me the flavored alcohol thing. It's not analogous.
You know, personally, I tend to agree with you. There is really no need to make medibles appealing to children, other than the fact that they are sweet treats that are easily palatable to adults. However that said, I liken it to parents saying, 'No, no, that's DADDY'S juice!' when a kid grabs for your beer bottle that looks just like the all natural root beer soda you bought for said child. It's something that we should teach our children to resist and respect. Is that happening in every household? Of course not.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Doesn't make sense to me. The pot shops could even give you a regular cookie for every pot pill you buy.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
This also ties into part of what I've been saying; they should sell these edibles in one dose sizes to begin with. I just don't like the idea of selling someone an entire cookie and telling the person to just eat one fifth of it at a time. It just doesn't make sense. Sell them five pills and say just take one pill at a time.
Maybe that's part of why the guy overdosed on two cookies. It's kind of hard to take the drug seriously when you're eating it in cookie form. Would the guy really have popped 10 pills into his mouth after the pot dude told him to only take one? I suppose it's possible but it just doesn't seem as likely.
Sure, but generally the kid is gonna think the beer is gross. He'll gobble that fuckin cookie though.Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
I need my medication!! Pass me the gummy bears!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
But still just one person, right? Do you have the toxicology report from his autopsy?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Ah.Quote:
B) The guy who went insane and shot his wife was also on painkillers.
How does this compare to previous years? Were any of them on anything else at the time? What percentage of the population is 70?Quote:
C) At least 70 people, including children, were admitted to the hospital/ER or contacted a poison control center in 1 year in Colorado due to overdosing (or an adverse reaction!) to marijuana/THC.
I did, actually. It was one dude. That's what the "wow" was for. One out of millions is an acceptable risk to me.Quote:
F) You couldn't even get one detail correct about my arguments yet still ended your post with a sarcastic "wow"?
Indeed.Quote:
G) Wow.
I don't have the report like in my hands, no, but according to the report they only found marijuana in his system. Also his friends said he started acting crazy after he ate the two marijuana cookies.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Well according to the link I posted earlier the number of cases of children being taken to the hospital for marijuana in 2008 was zero and has slowly risen since then, 2014 being the worst year. There are also some personal accounts in that story from people who thought "Hey, eating a whole THC infused tootsie roll sounds safe" but it turns out he was only supposed to eat an 8th of that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
I have no idea. I'm going to go ahead and guess the children under the age of 10 weren't on any heavy doses of pain killers or anything though.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Does it matter? Motor vehicle accidents involving alcohol weren't even 1/100th of a percent in Colorado last year; should we stop trying to get that number closer to zero?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Except that's a straw man because it wasn't just the "one dude", it was the two dudes I listed plus the 70 people I cited that got sick and those were just the numbers I cited. As you can see from the link I provided a little while ago there are even more cases of people overdosing on marijuana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
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Originally Posted by waywardgs
Should alcohol come in pill form too?
It may shock you but a large number of my students drink underage. Some of them even get alcohol poisoning.
I laugh at everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
For medical use I can definitely see the appeal of pills, but for recreational use, why shouldn't there be good tasting edibles? There are already steps in place to make the packaging resistant to children and the packaging unlike other known food products. You can say it isn't analogous to point to flavored alcohol, but it doesn't make it true. Else everyone would drink non-flavored vodka. Hell, certain types of malt beverages were deemed too appealing for children, so they made it more difficult to buy. Edibles are already far more difficult to buy than alcohol, and recently had even more precautions put into place.
http://www.nytimes.com/2007/04/13/us...tml?fta=y&_r=0
I hate beer, when I was underage and now, but I love me some bitch drinks.
I sought out information in response to people raising justified criticisms of the information I had already obtained, as the OP in this thread demonstrates. Should I have just ignored them? Or accepted them without question? Neither sounds very scientific to me. You find it very easy to criticize what I would hypothetically do, and yet all my claims are backed with quotes and citations. You have yet to even detail what Dr. Jensen said, only that it makes me wrong somehow about everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
The problem isn't that I don't read your (general) information, the problem is that I read all of it. For example, Fallen links a source that says in part that drug courts are good, but in other parts it says they are bad. I politely point out the latter, and I'm accused of not reading his source. Fallen links a source that says CBD has acceptable side effects during use. I politely point out that the source makes only an offhand comment about withdrawal, and I'm accused of not reading his source. I quote your own sources back to you, and I'm accused of not reading them. How does that make sense?Quote:
I did a bunch of reading. You were somewhat right. I changed my take on the matter. When do we get to the point where you actually read anything but stuff that directly supports your theory? It'll never happen.
You can just call me a Nazi too. Get it over with. :)Quote:
It doesn't take us, even if it did, from the sociological hell that you and your like unleash on American society. I'm glad that in this small regard you're losing.
Marijuana is made of chemicals, just like tobacco, just like Xanax, just like orange juice. "Chemicals vs. natural" is a very tantalizing distinction, but it is a totally false one. I am glad your personal experience has seen people become healthy through non traditional means. That does not indicate that those means had a causal impact. I have the testimony of a hundred thousand people, rigorously controlled and recorded. You have your own. Why shouldn't I go with the hundred thousand? How does this make me the person thinking in a tiny box, or you the person relying on "real science"?Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
Psychosis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Jeril
I researched this when Thondalar brought it up, and the history really is quite interesting. The Breathalyzer as we understand it wasn't invented until 1954. Congress forced states to reduce their acceptable BAC levels from .15 to .10 in the 80s (probably 1982), drunk driving went down for about ten years, then stayed constant. Congress forced states to reduce their levels from .10 to .08 in 2000, drunk driving went down for about ten years, and is now leveling off. Congress is rumbling about reducing the limit to .05, when it happens drunk driving will go down again.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Bottom line: laws change, and laws work.
Your genius is wasted here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Gotta call you on this one, mister details! 'Made of' is absolutely incorrect and you know that, silly. You probably meant 'treated with.' I am not kidding myself on that, either. Pesticides and chemicals are errywhere.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
My personal experience does actually include a bit more than just 'I smoke' or 'I purchase legally.' For example, I have seen first hand mass grow operations with a personal tour from the owner. From observation, participation, and education of hydroponics, I have at least a basic understanding of the process. I am looking into traveling south for some hands-on experiential learning to make oil extractions. I am really interested in making time for this educational opportunity where I would be put to work and paid and learn from people who have done this for 70 years. I could go on and on and bore you with more experiences I've had with other natural modalities that have led me to this belief system, but tl;dr is real and I'll try to stay on topic. If you ever want to chat about these, though, you can messenger me and I am happy to discuss further! Otherwise, reasons. :)
I have already acquiesced and shared my belief that for ALL OF US, it's OUR OWN RESPONSIBILITY to consider what we put in our bodies. Physical, mental, emotional, spiritual health are all part of the holistic approach that I subscribe to. It's MY body so this is my belief system and I am living thusly. Yours is yours and you live it thusly, with no obstruction from me. I respect your choice to live it the way you want and I believe our government should, as well. I respect a healthy debate and feel no animosity that your belief system differs from mine.
Ultimately, I do believe that most of us, myself included, are our own worst enemies when it comes to choices we make for our own bodies.
He is talking about matter when he says all that stuff is made of chemicals. Molecules. He's also right about that.
AHAHAHA. Okay. I GIVE UP HERE.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
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Originally Posted by Fallen
You can't see the appeal for medicinal reasons? I know if I was sick I'd rather eat a sweet treat than pop some pills. Plus cannabis tastes delicious.
I find it disgusting, myself.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Give your average 8 year old a bottle of vodka, I don't care what it's flavored with, he's likely not going to enjoy it. That's why it's not analogous. Cookies are hard to pass up though. You can pack it in whatever you want, kids will open that up and say OOH a cookie!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
I have yet to hear a good reason for doing it besides "it tastes good." Which isn't a terribly convincing reason seeing as you can get the same effect by ingesting it separately and then, you know, just eating a cookie.
On a side note, I bet the rising number of kids going to the hospital for getting into daddy's brownies is related to MJ's newfound legality in these states- the parents are more likely to BRING their kids to the hospital now that it's legal because they don't have to fear getting into as much trouble from the cops for having weed in the first place. This is probably a good thing.
It probably means you're not very good at cooking with it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
As if I cook. I'm married, remember? Bought a couple from a pro, didn't care for it. Good buzz, just tasted like weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Example of cutting-edge CPG packaging:
n2pack.com/about-us/
It should be illegal to make good tasting edibles because kids might get to them, regardless of any precautions taken. Yet flavored alcoholic beverages of any type are fine because reasons.
I disagree.
I don't think the whole, "think about the children" reasoning is very convincing.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
My children navigate living in the vicinity of both medicated and non-medicated candy and cookies daily without inhaling them like nasty goblins. It's called parenting.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
They got rid of those flavored cigarettes camel made because they were worried it was marketed towards children. I could see the same thing here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
They still sell flavoured cigars.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Hate to break it to you, but you can buy flavored cigarettes just about anywhere. I used to like vanilla flavored ones. Camel got dinged for making the mascot's face look phallic, appealing to teens with it's flash and coolness factor, and for giving away stuff with the Camel Cash rewards programs.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
And the e-cig cartridges also come in various fruity flavors.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
True enough, but I think we would both agree that cigarettes are more addicting and deadly than marijuana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Expect that stuff to be on the chopping block in the near future too.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Of course, solely to avoid the homosexual discrimination lawsuits.Quote:
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As do THC oil vapes.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
ERRYBODY CAN GET FRUITY.
I know they still sell some flavored stuff. This was a lot bigger and more marketed, hence, more outrage.Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
But Orange, Oatmeal, Chocolate, Pear, and Strawberry camel cigarettes were discontinued due to my above stated reason.
Ahaha, wow, Oatmeal flavored smoke. You made me actually google something for this discussion. Learn something new erryday:Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
http://www.v-ecigs.com/oatmeal-cookie/
All I need to ban it. Great investigative reporting, Methais.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Does flavored alcohol come in juice boxes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
At the very least, more of an effort needs to be made in the way of safer packaging and differentiating the stuff from regular candy. The gummy bears look exactly like gummy bears, the reeses cups look just like reeses cups... I seriously can't see why it's necessary to make the shit look JUST LIKE regular candy.
SOMEONE EXPLAIN TO ME WHY THIS IS NECESSARY:
http://www.cpr.org/sites/default/fil...?itok=yxl9ZBjn
http://azmarijuana.com/wp-content/up...Edibles-AZ.png
http://www.thcfinder.com/uploads/fil...-packaging.jpg
http://www.nowtheendbegins.com/blog/...t-cannabis.jpg
Does wine count?
I mean jesus, are the people in line buying this shit all THAT immature? It makes the people who buy it look like idiots. It makes the whole legalization movement look like a bunch of stoner dipshits and undermines the whole fucking thing. It's stupid, childish and dangerous. And just so we're clear, I'm PRO legalization. Shit like this sets everything back.
Also, as Leifa mentioned, do some parenting! If you buy this stuff and have little ones then keep it where they can't get it. Would you leave you prescription meds laying about? How about your guns? Its just common sense stuff here.
Hey...they're high, okay?Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
And I totally agree with it. But come on. If your kid rifles through your bedroom- because kids DO THAT- and finds a stash of shit that looks EXACTLY LIKE CANDY, he's gonna say OOH! I found some candy! It's absolutely asinine.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
I have no problem with the first pic of the peanut butter cup. The packaging is clearly not intended for children. I have a serious problem with 'Ganja Joy' and the like. I have never seen these products for sale in dispensaries that I frequent and I would probably complain if I did. I think I have a bigger issue with the IP rip-off factor.
How exactly is it immature? Newslash, adults buy candy, too.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
You're right, kids do ruin everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
My kid said to me the other day, she didn't want to rifle through my drawers because she was afraid she might find something 'weird.' ROFLQuote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Great! So buy candy! Why do you need to put drugs in it??Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Why not? And don't give me that BS about kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Because freedom.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Truth.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Eta: except tax refunds.
You realize that medibles are created not just so people can nosh on sweets, but because they might not like or be able to tolerate smoking the flower...right?Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
You realize that I've said MULTIPLE TIMES that that's fine, go ahead and ingest it, but why people feel the need to ingest it in gummy bear or "Kif" Kat form is beyond me.Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
Because cannabis and chocolate is a delicious combination.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Some people, myself included, are unable to ingest pills or tolerate oils and butters as a delivery mechanism. The gummy candies are tasty and don't make me sick. Did you know that gelatin is made from animal cartilage and is not vegan? Kinda gross, huh.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
I do agree with the ridiculous packaging. <shrug>
Make sure you don't accidentally get these. http://www.amazon.com/Haribo-Sugar-F...ustomerReviewsQuote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
old news, n00b.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
You'll be happy to know this is now against the law.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
I imagine it was against trademark law to begin with.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
Of that, I have no idea.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
Also:
http://thesuperslice.com/wp-content/.../mcdowells.jpg
I would like to be Prince of Zamunda.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lj2tIDXpKCk
Is that a practical path, though? The FDA has the expertise, equipment, funding, and authority to test drug and food items, not to mention barge into manufacturing facilities and check it out with Dr. Steve Brule. Last year alone they approved 41 drugs and rejected at least 4. How would you or I as private citizens replicate that?Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
The gummy bears are made with cannabis oil. Why are you only able to tolerate the oil if it's in gummy bear form?Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
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Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
I would advise you to stop being an outlier.
Happy to hear it.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
Fascist.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
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Originally Posted by Androidpk
Someone earlier said "because children" is a lame excuse but I think the number of children in Colorado rushed to the ER and had a stay in the ICU says otherwise.
I think "because cigars and alcohol come in flavors" is the lame excuse. You can teach a child to stay away from alcohol and cigars and cigarettes. How you going to teach a child the difference from "bad" candy and "good" candy if it looks exactly the same?
"Well just hide it" okay great. What if they're at their friend's house and their parents are not as good of parents as you are?
Seems unnecessary to me.
Give your trolling a break, its giving you psychosis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I think the argument of outright banning any form of good tasting edible because it might somehow fall into the hands of a child is a bit much, but I think at this point, that's the long and short of this debate. No matter what precautions are taken, there will always be a chance that a child could ingest a cookie/brownie/etc that has marijuana in it.
I don't think the mere existence of children should make the good tasting edibles outright illegal. Others will disagree. Many children each year will die at the hands of alcohol and firearms, few if any will die from ingesting marijuana. Until such time there is as strict of rules in place regarding the things that will actually kill children, I don't think it is fair to subject edibles to a much higher standard.
I wasn't calling you a fascist because you don't want to legalize weed, I was calling you a fascist based on the body of evidence your arguments have presented over the last several years.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
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Originally Posted by Fallen
There are lots of things dangerous and inappropriate for children that we don't ban. Prescription pain killers, guns, cars, porn.. ect.
Steps are taken to protect children from dangerous things. However, we do not suggest an outright ban on these products to protect children. That is what is being put forward here, and as I said, I think that is a bit much.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
I think it's a bit unfair to compare someone intentionally harming a child with a firearm to a kid mistaking marijuana candy for normal candy and ingesting it. Also I think there are pretty strict rules regarding owning a firearm compared to buying marijuana candy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
How many children accidentally consume alcohol every year? I couldn't find any statistics because the statistics I found were regarding kids purposefully consuming alcohol.
Regardless I don't understand your reasoning. Why do more strict rules have to be in place for alcohol before more strict rules can be in place for marijuana? Also what do you mean "will actually kill children" when talking about alcohol and firearms, you don't think a child can die from ingesting too much THC? :/
Children find and play with guns every year. Specifics in numbers of deaths are hard to find for a variety of reasons, but I think we can both agree it will exceed both in number of incidents and in number of deaths that of accidentally ingesting cannabis edibles.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
What do you mean by more strict? What would you suggest other than an outright ban?
I think it's theoretically possible for a child to die directly from a marijuana overdose, but I think the odds of that happening are extremely low. The odds are far higher that children will encounter guns and alcohol to fatal results.
I'm going to assume it's possible, but humans have been using marijuana for thousands of years and there isn't a single recorded instance. So.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
Because kids have accidentally killed themselves or others with guns. No kid is going to accidentally kill himself from overdosing on cannabis.
No one said to ban marijuana or THC consumables. Just not make them in candy or cookie form. Just like we should probably not make real guns look exactly like a Super Soaker, complete with a full water tank and everything.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
So the people who want the positive effects of it but don't want to smoke it are just shit out of luck? Or are they only allowed to put it in Brussels sprouts?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Do you really want an epidemic of teenagers eating their vegetables!?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
As I said, I believe it is going too far to outright ban any edibles that are in a palatable form in order to protect children. You disagree, and that's fine. I don't think either of us are going to convince the other, but i'm certainly not going to attempt to end the debate. I just don't see it going anywhere from here.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
lol.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Why are we going to agree on that? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
According to this site there were 591 accidental shooting deaths in 2011, 102 were under the age of 18 with half of that number under the age of 13. As you said for some reason there are no statistics as to how many of those accidental shooting deaths were at the hands of children but it's probably a pretty small number given the already small number to begin with.
They also have an estimate that puts the number of accidental firearm deaths from children under the age of 14 at 11 across 17 states for 2011. Seems like a pretty low number compared to the 12 children admitted to hospitals in Colorado alone in an 11 month period. Maybe none of those kids died but several of them were in ICU. Are we waiting until the number of children dying from THC overdose eclipses the number of accidental shooting deaths from children under the age of 14?
Why do you think that?Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
Have humans been consuming marijuana in pure THC form in edible cookies and giving them to their children for thousands of years? I'm going to guess no.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Right. Because marijuana is so safe, it's even good for kids!Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Pills.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
I already said why. We've used weed for thousands of years and there is not a single recorded instance of ANYONE dying from a direct overdose, children or not.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
You'd need to ingest 40,000 times the amount of cannabis found in a joint to die. No one is going to be doing that any time soon, if ever.
No, it isn't good for kids, but it certainly is not going to kill them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
This goes for a 2 year old child as well? Something tells me you're full of shit but then again we all knew that ;)Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Also you guys are being ridiculous again. I've already linked to a story about a man jumping off a balcony after consuming 10 times as much THC that a grown adult should consume. How crazy would a 6 year old kid get eating the same amount of shit? How do you account for the children put into ICU for marijuana overdose? Because the hospital wanted to make a few bucks?
I can only comment on the known ld50 for cannabis. I imagine even if the amount is lower for a 2 year old you're still looking at pounds worth of cannabis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Is this how you go through life? Hunches and guesses?Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
He still didn't die from weed. He died from the impact of hitting the ground after jumping off a balcony.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
As long as he's not near any balconies, he'd be fine after it wore off.Quote:
How crazy would a 6 year old kid get eating the same amount of shit?
There have been 0 reported deaths in human history of anyone dying directly from a pot overdose. People doing stupid shit while they're loaded doesn't count.
If someone gets drunk and gets electrocuted after being thrown into a stereo by Corey Haim, it's considered death by stereo, not death by alcohol.
My guess would be that they put the kid in ICU as a precaution, and then once they ran their tests and were like, "Oh, it's just weed." they put him back into regular, non-intensive care.Quote:
How do you account for the children put into ICU for marijuana overdose? Because the hospital wanted to make a few bucks?
What if they leave the candy/cookies just the way they are, but they come in a brussels sprout container, or a container that looks like an algebra book?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Now I know where I'm hiding my weed.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
You're at risk of Latrin finding your stash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Ceyrin
1 person isn't statistically significant.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Only one way to find out...Quote:
How crazy would a 6 year old kid get eating the same amount of shit?
Did any of them die? What were their symptoms? Did they actually go to the ICU or just brought into the emergency room?Quote:
How do you account for the children put into ICU for marijuana overdose? Because the hospital wanted to make a few bucks?
Well one person in one state in one year since marijuana became legal for recreational use. When does human life become significant?Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
You guys are getting pretty morbid.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
I have no idea, I didn't interview the kids.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Yes. ICU. That's why I said they were in the ICU.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Because even using your own numbers what I said holds true. Guns and alcohol kill more than marijuana.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Are you advocating for all homes to have gun locks on every firearm? Are you also advocating for all alcohol to be kept in a locked container? If so, I would be fine with the condition of all edibles being kept in a locked container. We should also keep all medicines, over the counter and otherwise in a locked container, as I imagine the deaths from accidental overdose by children exceed that of marijuana consumption.
We either care about the safety of children across the board or we are just singling out marijuana.
This is also because guns are legal in every state and so far we have a whooping two states and 2 years worth of data to pull marijuana overdose on children from. Also I didn't provide any numbers for children dying on accidental alcohol poisoningQuote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
Sounds like a good idea to me. Or a gun safe.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
Sounds good to me.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
Sounds good to me. That and no cookies and candy.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
I disagree with your last part. We would have to do away with flavored alcohol to have parity. I would argue firearms are universally appealing to children, but am willing to concede the point none are specifically geared towards them. Perhaps no "fun" colored guns, such as those ugly hot pink ones. If you're willing to do that, then I'd be willing to do away with cookie/candy-based edibles.
As an aside, medical marijuana, and by extension, edibles are present in far more than 2 states. As the amount of sales are in the millions, I would claim their presence is in no way inconsequential.
I bet Tg would be interested to know Colorado is already working on this...State Bill 1366 was signed by the governor and will soon go into effect:
http://www.leg.state.co.us/clics/cli...e=1366_enr.pdf
No level of oversight is sufficient in his argument. He is for absolute prohibition on all snack-based edibles. To get it he is willing to accept an awful lot of government intrusion into his household, but at least he is consistent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Oh no, I get it. I think it's funny that he's just now talking about it though, considering children admitted to the hospital with marijuana "overdoses" has steadily increased every year since 2009, but it's still a statistically insignificant number. The whole "every life is precious" crap is just that. If that's the case, there are hundreds of things to spend your time campaigning for/against that would provide greater returns.Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
Make it a law that if your kid goes to the hospital and has THC in his system, you go to jail for child abuse and lose your kid. Don't try to tell adults they can't have brownies because some kid might eat them.
I asked you when does human life become significant. Answer me!Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Why is "every life is precious" crap? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
In terms of effectiveness versus cost I think this would be a slam dunk.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Effectiveness: A lot fewer kids end up in the hospital. Heck, going by the stories we have read a lot fewer adults end up in the hospital or dead.
Cost: Nothing.
Inconvenience: Talk about negligible.
I think it would entirely depend on how the kid got THC in his system (at a friend's house, from the local and awesome child drug dealer, etc) but if you're talking about a parent leaving their THC candy around and their child ate it I agree, some sort of law should be applicable. Then again you run the risk of the parents doing nothing and hoping the child doesn't need medical care because they don't want to get in trouble.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Who said anything about adults not eating THC brownies? I'm saying not to sell and market THC brownies. People have been making hash brownies long before Colorado even entertained the notion of making marijuana legal for recreational use.Quote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
I found the LD50 as 800 mg/kg, I've found citations of 500 mg edibles, toddlers weigh about 30 pounds, thus...Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
13.6 kg * 800 mg / kg = 10,880 mg * 1 edible / 500 mg = 22 edibles
I don't think too many toddlers are going to blow through 22 cookies. But it's not pounds, it's about half a pound.
So now it's only a problem if they're bought premade? Lol tgo logic. Wow.
Yes. Just like most people don't bother building their house because it's too much work; logic dictates the lazy stoners who would be stupid enough to leave their THC candy laying about aren't going to bake their own brownies and even if they did they would probably make enough for themselves and their friends to consume right afterwards, not leave them laying around for their toddlers to eat.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
That's just a guess though. That's how we do things around here, right? Just hunches and guesswork?
I picture a lot of excited handwringing around Tgo01's posts in this thread.
Excellent.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
STOP POSTING TGO YOU'RE RUINING THIS NOWQuote:
Originally Posted by Thondalar
Handwringing by you, mind you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Just this thread? :lol:Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Hence me saying "Excellent."Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Although honestly I don't see why you think that; what am I gaining here? Besides making pk look like a hypocritical douche bag over and over again.
Tell us again pk how you're not railing against the idea of marijuana edibles not being candy and such ;)
http://www.pitt.edu/~ppc/images/attention.pngQuote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
So sensitive today.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Man you guys. If someone takes the minority position on something on a forum they are either a troll, a Latrin or just seeking attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Sure, MLK goes against mainstream and he's considered a hero. I go against mainstream and I just want attention.
And yes, I just compared myself to MLK.
http://thegeekiary.files.wordpress.c...al-with-it.jpg
Here comes the victim card!
Who's playing the victim card? I said I was a hero akin to MLK. Put down the marijuana brownies and pay attention.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
You're still posting about this. Reported. I suggest you contact a lawyer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
It's cause I'm black, isn't it?Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
WTF, you're not black. God. Don't scare me like that.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Yes he is.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackWhisper
And so am I.
Compares himself to MLK... Idolizes Al Sharpton.. Whips out the victim card faster than you can say racism!Quote:
Originally Posted by JackWhisper
I idolize Al Sharpton? :/Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Are you black?!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Oh.
My.
God.
I HAVE A BLACK FRIEND!
Fuck yeah!
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Originally Posted by JackWhisper
Can't tell if you're joking or if you're seriously just finding out he's black. Not that his skin color matters.
I've never given a fuck to ask. I don't care about his color. He's my friend. That's all that matters. Duh.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
And Methais, you are so not black.
Gelston is black too.
I thought he was a Chinese silver farmer.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
I can't be a black Chinese silver farmer? That's racist.Quote:
Originally Posted by Taernath
Gelston is SO not black.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
If he was, he'd have played EBONheart Pact.
#Rimshot
He's an oreo.Quote:
Originally Posted by JackWhisper
Congratulations! You've successfully gayed up another thread on pc with your gayming references! Pk, tell him what he's won!Quote:
Originally Posted by JackWhisper
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Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jkJoLRFKw4g
Not sure. I generally steer clear of medibles but I seem to be able to tolerate candies and teas.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Don't forget about me!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by JackWhisper
If you truly, TRULY believe that the government knows what is best for YOUR body better than you do, then I am seriously sad for humanity.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
I'm not a chemist, a biologist, or any other expert in soft science. I trust that mechanics know what is best for MY car better than I do, I trust that carpenters know what is best for MY house better than I do, I trust that seamstresses know what is best for MY clothes better than I do, why should MY body be any different? They're all things I live in, no?Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
And even if I was an expert in any of those things that could somehow replicate the research of thousands of FDA employees, I still wouldn't be able to keep up with the FDA (and other regulatory bodies) because I don't have their authority. Take empagliflozin. It was held off the market for months because of issues with the manufacturing facility. I could know everything about C23H27ClO7, every interaction, every side effect, and I would STILL be screwed because that's not what was in the bottles. How is it sad to admit that I don't know everything about every manufacturer, every drug, and every item of food? Government is not some bogeyman, it's just another word for teamwork.
I am so blessed to have so many black friends. :foshizzle:Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
I don't think the government or anybody else is the 'bogeyman.' I am not afraid of the dark. My body is more than my house or my car or my nationality or my beliefs. It is my whole self, the sum of all my parts, not just it's physical mechanics that can be quantified by science. Nobody knows it like I do.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
This feels really deep. I think I am going to go look at shoes now.
You've got to cut Latrin some slack. All he knows about this stuff is what someone put down on a piece of paper for him to read.Quote:
Originally Posted by Mighty Nikkisaurus
Alcohol abuse continues to destroy lives in my family every day. My father is in the grave and my brother is on his way after two pulmonary embolisms. This is just my immediate family. Shake my family tree and it rains bottles and pills. I agree that it is most definitely not funny. I might play around and joke about marijuana use at times and I've been known to make a drunken mistake or two, but I take it all quite seriously.
We're going to need at least three solid sources if you expect us to believe this.Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Probably not, but if he were black and smoking weed...Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
Speak for yourself. Flavor, crush, snort, tasty drip!Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
Just throwing this out there, but you do know that people are prescribed pills that have to be cut into smaller pieces before they're taken, yes?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
My best friend got into a fistfight with his drunken stepfather when we were both 12, because the guy laid hands on my best friend's mother.
That was the only thing I ever needed to experience about alcohol abuse to see I never wanted to experience it in my family or loved ones.
Headline: Subzero Wins Thread!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by subzero
A girl in town stabbed and killed herself while on LSD when we were in high school. I had some of the same LSD and managed to not freak out and kill myself as did a whole lot of other people I know.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I get that LSD and cannabis are very different, but you simply can't regulate people doing stupid shit away. I assume we're all ok with how alcohol is regulated (no Latrin, you don't count) and none of us are under the impression that DUI-related incidents or people just being drunken assholes/idiots have been regulated down to zero. Does anyone believe that more regulations on alcohol would prevent more DUIs? I doubt it. Don't get me wrong. I'm not against regulations on this stuff, but "more" isn't always the answer.
Methais is the bogeyman.Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
Pfft, experience. The only experience that counts is the stuff in your exp bucket! Studies and numbers and words on paper > experience.Quote:
Originally Posted by Methais
He's gonna be really disappointed.Quote:
How long do you think it would take for those potheads to kill themselves off, with pot being such a dangerous drug that's responsible for millions upon millions of deaths?
That's Mayor Bogeyman to you.Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
The point is that we need MOAR! regulations because people are still fat fucks and driving drunk and killing people. They won't do that if we mount up and regulate some bitches.Quote:
Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage
This is why studies and numbers alone can't be used to paint the whole picture. You're comparing someone eating a cookie and doing something stupid as hell with fatal amounts of alcohol. If the person ate cookies until they keeled over, fine. That didn't happen though, so you should instead be looking at, oh, I dunno... how many shots people need to consume before they end up behind a wheel and kill themselves or someone else because they're impaired. I guarantee you that number is MUCH lower than 24 shots in 2 hours.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1plPyJdXKIYQuote:
Originally Posted by subzero
Define a cannabis overdose. Is it an overdose of alcohol if our BAC is over the legal limit for driving?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Nevermind, I retract my statement!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
http://onyxapartments.com/wp-content...14/12/fear.gif
The truth eventually makes its way to the surface. They knew it would, so in typical fashion they've covered their ass and made sure Uncle Sam won't be missing out on his cut. It is and always has been about the dollar. You'll see a similar situation with tobacco companies who lobby against cannabis. They know (or at the very least are prepared for it) that the anti-cannabis stuff will come to an end, so they've got brand names and packages and whatnot already in place. It'll be fun to see how fast they spin that one around:Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
2015- "Weed is teh devil and should never be available to the masses!"
2016- "Try our delicious, new Marlboro Greens today!"
I'm no doctor, but if you ever happen to run into some Mad Hatter LSD... watch out. Someone did stab and kill themselves after taking some. You've been warned, sucka!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Alcohol has been around for a whole lot longer than THC concentrates. Relatively speaking, concentrates are pretty new and yes, people are still learning about them. Give it some time and the 'madness' will die down as people become more edumacated and familiar with them.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Eh, they still sell flavored cigars and e-cig oil/whateverthefuckitis.Quote:
Originally Posted by Gelston
I wouldn't say concentrates are new. People, especially in asia, have been smoking hashish for a longass time.
I have never in my life heard someone prescribed pills then told "make sure you cut these pills in 6 pieces each and only take one piece at a time."Quote:
Originally Posted by subzero
Nor have I heard of someone prescribed a powerful pain killer in cookie form and told "make sure you only eat one fifth of this at once."
I'm really not sure why people are still arguing about this. The state of Colorado apparently thought it was dangerous and they changed the law on edibles.
I have linked to a story where several different people who actually bought and ate these edibles who said they were confused about how much to eat at once or didn't think it was a big deal to eat more than told. How many of you have eaten these powerful THC infused candies/cookies and ate the whole thing when you were told to only eat 1/6th? That's the rule for if you can comment on something apparently.
My mom got prescribed pain killers by her doctor and was told to cut them in half and take them 1 half at a time. That's the only time I've dealt with pill cutting. Seems a terrible waste, what with how much dust falls from grinding pills in half.
I get where you're going with the idea of these candies being sold looking like non-cannabis versions of candy kids may be familiar with being a bad thing. However, at the end of the day, do you think the kid who roots around and finds a stash of candy that is packaged in a totally new, unique package/design won't still think, "Score! Mom and dad have a fucking candy stash!" before digging in and trying this candy-so-good-it-needs-to-be-hidden-from-me? Tapping in to my Nostradamus-like vision, I'm not seeing kids being unwilling to try some new candy (especially shit that is hidden from them) just because it doesn't look like a Butterfinger.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
It's a different high than what you get from smoking/vaporizing. Also, some people can't, won't, or simply don't like smoking/vaporizing.Quote:
Originally Posted by waywardgs
But think about all the ER calls from freaked out parents!Quote:
Originally Posted by Fallen
(not dismissing the concern of parents in these situations, but I don't think you can outlaw things because kids get their paws on them without their parents knowing about it and then they freak out when their kid starts feeling ill. Responsibility, parenting, yadda yadda.)
The prescription I'm on needs to be cut in half. This isn't unheard of.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
This is exactly not what I said.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
Why you no read?!
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Originally Posted by Tgo01
>I have never in my life heard someone prescribed pills then told "make sure you cut these pills in 6 pieces each and only take one piece at a time."
Wat? Why does it have to be intentionally harming a child with a gun? Kids get hurt in accidents with guns and you said yourself that owning a firearm is more regulated than getting weed candy, so clearly regulations don't stop people from being stupid and/or accidents happening. It's really not all that hard to own a firearm, either.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
What about stuff like bleach or drain-o? (Most people don't keep their tasty alcohol in those easily-accessed-by-children places. There may be some weird correlation here, but we'll probably need Latrin to explain it)Quote:
How many children accidentally consume alcohol every year? I couldn't find any statistics because the statistics I found were regarding kids purposefully consuming alcohol.
Exactly so...how do you think that's saying people aren't told to cut pills in half?Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
And yet Obamacare does just that. YAY us!Quote:
Originally Posted by leifastagsweed
Exactly. We were talking about kids accidentally consuming marijuana cookies and candy because they didn't know better. We weren't discussing someone going around and injecting a child full of THC via a needle.Quote:
Originally Posted by subzero
Pretty sure that stuff comes with child resistant caps now. Also it doesn't usually smell or look like candy. I think.Quote:
Originally Posted by subzero
Didn't your entire trolling session begin with a discussion of a stupid adult?Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
I trust that most people are out for themselves and looking to enrich their lives. That may often come at the expense of others. If you want to trust anyone who claims to be a professional based on nothing other than, "That's what they do, of course they know better"... good luck.Quote:
Originally Posted by Latrinsorm
Probably, I can't remember everything. Was the story about a stupid adult forcing marijuana cookies down the throats of children?Quote:
Originally Posted by Warriorbird
Wait, you mean you haven't been...omg...guys, tgo hasn't been cutting his pills into 6 pieces! I GUESS NO ONE TOLD HIM. This explains so much!Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
:(Quote:
Originally Posted by Wrathbringer
"Relatively". Plus, I was mostly referring to the newer forms which are more potent than hash.Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk
I don't know the name(s) of any, but my grandfather absolutely was prescribed pills that needed to be cut in half. Maybe it was cheaper to get those and have them cut into smaller doses, I don't know. What I do know is that I've heard doctors tell people that with pill X, cut it into Y pieces and take one of those instead of the whole pill.Quote:
Originally Posted by Tgo01
Over 1000 years. You're talking about stuff like BHO and shatter?Quote:
Originally Posted by subzero
Do they sell that stuff in stores?Quote:
Originally Posted by Androidpk