Ferguson, Guns, and Cameras

[Laviticas]

Some things never change.

http://38.media.tumblr.com/37b32f26b93fc262b1d783a3bf06a51a/tumblr_naiedl5NmZ1t5kzcyo1_1280.jpg

Wow, that's not even comparable. Did you break your arm on that far reach?

[Tgo01]

2014:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sbv6QGhXj7g

2:21 mark in that video is awesome. Is that guy really arranging all of the quarters neatly to count them or something? Smash and run! What the fuck?

[Methais]

2:21 mark in that video is awesome. Is that guy really arranging all of the quarters neatly to count them or something? Smash and run! What the fuck?

2:32
http://i.imgur.com/nVVdU01.gif

[Gelston]

Wow, that's not even comparable. Did you break your arm on that far reach?

Wasn't the cop that shot him black? I think the NeoNazis would probably like the cop to be executed for murder and they would not support him.

[Laviticas]

Wasn't the cop that shot him black? I think the NeoNazis would probably like the cop to be executed for murder and they would not support him.

I'm pretty sure I'm not picking up on what you are saying. I must have missed something. Though on a lighter note, now that the giant vaginas are throwing around cracker (lawl) I will now be using nigger.

Niggers be burning down the hood, to be paying back the crackers. Win/win

[Gelston]

NeoNazis wouldn't support a black cop. And one of their signs specifically says white cops.

[Tgo01]

NeoNazis wouldn't support a black cop. And one of their signs specifically says white cops.

The cop who killed Brown was white.

It was first reported the cop who killed Brown was black because the news found a picture of a different cop with the same name.

[Back]

The cop who killed Brown was white.

It was first reported the cop who killed Brown was black because the news found a picture of a different cop with the same name.

Listen. If you want to be an advocate of the truth you actually have to work for it. You actually have to sift out the bullshit from the real shit, as it happens, when it happens, objectively.

This is advice without ill intent. I have hope for you in political threads. One day I think you will have a voice. But so far, as a constructive criticism, you aren't doing all the leg work you need to get all your arguments aligned with reality.

You have promise. But you are not making the cut just yet.

[Tgo01]

Listen. If you want to be an advocate of the truth you actually have to work for it. You actually have to sift out the bullshit from the real shit, as it happens, when it happens, objectively.

This is advice without ill intent. I have hope for you in political threads. One day I think you will have a voice. But so far, as a constructive criticism, you aren't doing all the leg work you need to get all your arguments aligned with reality.

You have promise. But you are not making the cut just yet.

???

What did I say that wasn't aligned with reality?

[Stabbyrogue]

Stabby, you were shot?

Yeah. 2003 or 2004. A robbery in which they chose to use a .380. Three hit me. Collapsed lung was the worst of it. Shattered shin. I jumped on top of the shooter and beat him until police arrived. His friend's pistol didn't go off. It happened in Berkeley, right up the street from Ferguson.

[Androidpk]

Hardcore, man. Better a .38 than a .308 at least.

[Stabbyrogue]

Yeah. I wouldn't have been beating anything. For sure.

[Laviticas]

NeoNazis wouldn't support a black cop. And one of their signs specifically says white cops.

50 years ago

[Laviticas]

Listen. If you want to be an advocate of the truth you actually have to work for it. You actually have to sift out the bullshit from the real shit, as it happens, when it happens, objectively.

This is advice without ill intent. I have hope for you in political threads. One day I think you will have a voice. But so far, as a constructive criticism, you aren't doing all the leg work you need to get all your arguments aligned with reality.

You have promise. But you are not making the cut just yet.

Back, you do know it was a major news source that released that pic? More legwork perhaps?

[Back]

Back, you do know it was a major news source that released that pic? More legwork perhaps?

Dude, the MSM has been reporting all the scary stuff. That gets ratings. Truth is there are more good people protesting than bad people taking advantage of the situation.

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F-ba5KwP_A

Check out the 3:05 mark.

I'm paraphrasing here.

"It just looked like the cop was trying to pull Brown into the car but then the cop realized that since Brown was a bigger fella that wasn't going to work so of course Brown got away and that upset the officer so he got out and started chasing after him."

Holy. Shit.

Are these the "witnesses" the media keeps talking about? Why the fuck would a cop try to pull someone into the car on top of themselves? Much less a 300 pound man? Did the officer really need to try to pull a 300 pound man into a car before realizing it wasn't going to work? Why would Brown then run away after this?

This is all just bullshit and the media should be ashamed of themselves for hyping this story up and making everything worse than it had to be.

[Back]

Who would stand for killing an unarmed man as just?

[Androidpk]

Unarmed doesn't mean not dangerous.

[Back]

Unarmed doesn't mean not dangerous.

If you are dealing with Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, or the Rock.

[Gelston]

If you are dealing with Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, or the Rock.

There are a lot more than them who can kill a man with their bare hands (or roundhouse kick.)

Say the cop was a 5'4" 110 pound woman and had that man running at her. Would it have then been acceptable?

[Back]

There are a lot more than them who can kill a man with their bare hands (or roundhouse kick.)

Say the cop was a 5'4" 110 pound woman and had that man running at her. Would it have then been acceptable?

Derp.

[Tgo01]

Ha.

Be sure to keep watching the video I posted earlier. Especially the 3:40 mark.

"Witness": "At the end, he just turned around, after I guess he felt the bullet hit his arm, and when he turned around he was shot multiple times."
Interviewer: "The autopsy report actually shows he was shot from the front, not the back, does that square with what you saw?"
"Witness": "Absolutely. Because he was running away and then when he turned around is when the cop shot him."

Wait...what? You just got finished saying it looked like he felt he was shot and then turned around and then was shot some more and now you just said he turned around and then was shot.

Okay. That's one witness we can throw in the "not credible" pile.

[Gelston]

Derp.

That was the first post on the page. I was responding only to that post. Off your history of posts, it seemed like something you truly felt.

[Laviticas]

Who would stand for killing an unarmed man as just?

Unarmed and just got done robbing a gas station. Tough shit, don't steal from people and you don't get shot.

[Methais]

If you are dealing with Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, or the Rock.

I really want to know what makes you think The Rock belongs in the same category as Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, or Chuck Norris.

Please don't dodge this one. It would be a travesty if you did.

[Methais]

Tosh.0 production assistant accidentally killed by LAPD

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. - The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department (LASD) admitted Thursday deputies made a deadly mistake this week when they fatally shot an innocent man, reports CBS Los Angeles.

John Winkler, 30, was killed Monday night after deputies responded to a call of a man with a knife. Winkler reportedly worked temporarily as a production assistant for the TV show "Tosh.0″ on Comedy Central.

http://i.imgur.com/CADCjBU.png (http://www.goatse.cx/)

Shortly after 9:30 p.m., deputies say two men burst out of an apartment building and ran towards them. The first man who exited was bleeding profusely from the neck. Winkler followed close behind, reports the station.

The deputies on scene apparently were confused when they saw Winkler "lunging at the back of the fleeing victim," LASD Chief Bill McSweeney told CBS Los Angeles.

Deputies shot Winkler four times and the other man was shot once. Winkler died from his injuries at a hospital. The other man survived.

Investigators now say Winkler and the man who was bleeding were actually victims of a third man, Alexander McDonald, who lived inside the apartment building, reports the station.

Winkler, who lived in the apartment above McDonald, got unwittingly involved in the violence when he came down to visit two friends at McDonald's apartment. The suspect crawled onto his own balcony from outside and held the three men hostage with a butcher knife. Witnesses reportedly told police McDonald was acting delusional and crazed.

At some point, Winkler and the victim who had been stabbed managed to escape, only to be shot when they exited the building.

The suspect still had the third victim held captive when the shooting occurred.

McDonald is facing charges of murder, torture and attempted murder, McSweeney said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-police-admit-accidentally-killing-tosh-0-production-assistant/

Look guys, innocent white people got shot by police for no reason!

[Gelston]

I really want to know what makes you think The Rock belongs in the same category as Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, or Chuck Norris.

Please don't dodge this one. It would be a travesty if you did.

Derp.

[Androidpk]

If you are dealing with Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, or the Rock.

You watch too many movies.

[Laviticas]

For close to 40 years Racism had not even been a blip on the radar, so much not a problem that we elected a black president. 6 years later and we are at square one. Thank you libs for reigniting a fire that was hardly a puff of smoke. One to many race cards have been played.

[Gelston]

I'd like a response from him other than derp. That just means he has no fucking idea and has never been in a situation similar. Perhaps he was saying derp on himself. That would be respectable.

[Gelston]

For close to 40 years Racism had not even been a blip on the radar, so much not a problem that we elected a black president. 6 years later and we are at square one. Thank you libs for reigniting a fire that was hardly a puff of smoke. One to many race cards have been played.
I can't agree with this.

[Laviticas]

Tosh.0 production assistant accidentally killed by LAPD

WEST HOLLYWOOD, Calif. - The Los Angeles County Sheriff's Department (LASD) admitted Thursday deputies made a deadly mistake this week when they fatally shot an innocent man, reports CBS Los Angeles.

John Winkler, 30, was killed Monday night after deputies responded to a call of a man with a knife. Winkler reportedly worked temporarily as a production assistant for the TV show "Tosh.0″ on Comedy Central.

http://i.imgur.com/CADCjBU.png (http://www.goatse.cx/)

Shortly after 9:30 p.m., deputies say two men burst out of an apartment building and ran towards them. The first man who exited was bleeding profusely from the neck. Winkler followed close behind, reports the station.

The deputies on scene apparently were confused when they saw Winkler "lunging at the back of the fleeing victim," LASD Chief Bill McSweeney told CBS Los Angeles.

Deputies shot Winkler four times and the other man was shot once. Winkler died from his injuries at a hospital. The other man survived.

Investigators now say Winkler and the man who was bleeding were actually victims of a third man, Alexander McDonald, who lived inside the apartment building, reports the station.

Winkler, who lived in the apartment above McDonald, got unwittingly involved in the violence when he came down to visit two friends at McDonald's apartment. The suspect crawled onto his own balcony from outside and held the three men hostage with a butcher knife. Witnesses reportedly told police McDonald was acting delusional and crazed.

At some point, Winkler and the victim who had been stabbed managed to escape, only to be shot when they exited the building.

The suspect still had the third victim held captive when the shooting occurred.

McDonald is facing charges of murder, torture and attempted murder, McSweeney said.

http://www.cbsnews.com/news/los-angeles-police-admit-accidentally-killing-tosh-0-production-assistant/

Look guys, innocent white people got shot by police for no reason!

Fuck it, I'm going rioting and looting tonight and burn me up a Popeyes chicken. Actually probably not, I'll be to tired for that shit after I get off, work.

[Methais]

Fuck it, I'm going rioting and looting tonight and burn me up a Popeyes chicken. Actually probably not, I'll be to tired for that shit after I get off, work.

If you want it to be legit you'll have to loot a Whole Foods store or an Office Depot or something.

[Gelston]

Hah, I remember I went to NO a month after Katrina, when they still had the FEMA encampment and national guard patrolling the streets. They had the shirt out saying "I stayed for Katrina and all I got was this shirt. And a flat screen TV, and a Cadillac." Then Nagin came out with his speech about it becoming a chocolate city. NEXT DAY "Mayor Wonka and the Chocolate City."

[Androidpk]

If you want it to be legit you'll have to loot a Whole Foods store or an Office Depot or something.

Bed, Bath & Beyond or an Ikea.

[Laviticas]

I can't agree with this.

Could be it's just a regional thing, we have not had any real racial tension here until 2010, when they started relocating families from Chicago to here under some program to get them out of the inner city.

The program I think is a great Idea, it's just brought a lot of bad apples. A group of these teens started assaulting people at the fair, then moved on from the fairgrounds to a QT, knocked over a bunch of motorcycles at a bar(fucking stupid idea) and nearly stabbed a man to death. The teens were calling it beat whitey night, and not a single racial charge was brought up.

I know the black community that had been settled in this area since escaping slavery and had been doing a great job of rebuilding some of the worst areas of town was very displeased over this because they knew years of hard work were on the line. Thankfully this did not turn in to something much worse.

[Back]

I'd like a response from him other than derp. That just means he has no fucking idea and has never been in a situation similar. Perhaps he was saying derp on himself. That would be respectable.

Yeah, I pulled a Gelston last night. Too many beers to make any sense.

[Gelston]

You are speaking from Chicago I assume. I grew up in Louisiana. I image there are a lot of regional differences.

This was a response to the one above Backs.

I will go into the racial indifference shit tomorrow, when I am at a computer. I will say this. I grew up in Subsidized housing to a single mother. We got out of there but my school was 90% black. I grew up eating baked beans and fucking hot dogs. Ugh, I will have a better post tomorrow.

[Back]

I really want to know what makes you think The Rock belongs in the same category as Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, or Chuck Norris.

Please don't dodge this one. It would be a travesty if you did.

Eh... just because he is a cool person and monstrous. Scorpion King was a good movie.

And none of them were in any Expendable movies?

[Back]

NSFW. Video has harsh content. What the fuck is happening in St. Louis???


The St. Louis Metropolitan Police Department released cell phone footage (http://news.stlpublicradio.org/post/st-louis-police-release-video-calls-city-shooting) Wednesday of the police shooting of Kajieme Powell, a 25-year-old black man killed on Tuesday in St. Louis, according to St. Louis Public Radio.

A convenience store owner called 911 on Tuesday when he suspected Powell stole drinks and donuts from his shop, according to a recording of the call. Another woman called to report Powell was acting erratically and had a knife in his pocket.

Two officers in a police SUV responded to the calls, the cell phone video shows. When the officers got out of their vehicle, Powell walked in their direction, yelling and telling them to shoot him already.

St. Louis Police Chief Sam Dotson said Tuesday that both of the officers opened fire on Powell when he came within a three or four feet of them holding a knife "in an overhand grip (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/20/kajieme-powell-killed-st-louis-police_n_5694224.html)."

But the newly released cell phone footage undermines the statement, showing Powell approaching the cops, but not coming as close as was reported, with his hands at his side. The officers began shooting within 15 seconds of their arrival, hitting Powell with a barrage of bullets.




https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j-P54MZVxMU

[Ker_Thwap]

This will be the problem with universal surveillance. (Which we essentially already have.) Even with the video, people will still come away with different conclusions on if that shooting was warranted.

A: He wasn't all that close, the knife wasn't held over his head and he wasn't making stabbing motions like I've seen in the movies, he wasn't all that close to him, they should have shot the knife out of his hand like I saw in the movies, two burly cops could have wrestled the knife away from one skinny guy, he was obviously making a social statement, they could have just talked to him and eventually become good friends.

B: They got a report of an armed robbery, the public was therefore at risk, the guy held his knife in a classic knife fighting grip which I saw in a movie, and continued to advance despite clear warnings, it was suicide by cop, the cop who shot first was protecting his partner, 10 (or so) shots were required because you can't just wait around to see if he's going to kill you. Blah blah blah.

Same video, many different conclusions.

[Methais]

Eh... just because he is a cool person and monstrous. Scorpion King was a good movie.

And none of them were in any Expendable movies?

So let me get this straight...you put The Rock on par with Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, and Jackie Chan as far as how dangerous they are, because he's cool and buff and you liked a movie he was in?

Let's let that sink in for a minute.

[Jeril]

So let me get this straight...you put The Rock on par with Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, and Jackie Chan as far as how dangerous they are, because he's cool and buff and you liked a movie he was in?

Let's let that sink in for a minute.

He also admitted he was drunk at the time.

[Sorcasaurus]

So let me get this straight...you put The Rock on par with Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, and Jackie Chan as far as how dangerous they are, because he's cool and buff and you liked a movie he was in?

Let's let that sink in for a minute.

Those reasons may not be all that supportive to his case, but I would still put The Rock on a list of people very dangerous to my person while unarmed.

[Methais]

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[Methais]

Those reasons may not be all that supportive to his case, but I would still put The Rock on a list of people very dangerous to my person while unarmed.

I'm not doubting that Rock could beat someone's ass. I just think it's ridiculous to put him in the same category as Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, and Jackie Chan.

If he said say...Brock Lesnar, that would make more sense, since he's a legit fighter.

[Warriorbird]

I'm not doubting that Rock could beat someone's ass. I just think it's ridiculous to put him in the same category as Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, and Jackie Chan.

If he said say...Brock Lesnar, that would make more sense, since he's a legit fighter.

The Rock played football for a while. He's also not old or dead. In their prime Lee and Chan are a totally different category than both him and Norris though.

[Laviticas]

You are speaking from Chicago I assume. I grew up in Louisiana. I image there are a lot of regional differences.

This was a response to the one above Backs.

I will go into the racial indifference shit tomorrow, when I am at a computer. I will say this. I grew up in Subsidized housing to a single mother. We got out of there but my school was 90% black. I grew up eating baked beans and fucking hot dogs. Ugh, I will have a better post tomorrow.


The Rock played football for a while. He's also not old or dead. In their prime Lee and Chan are a totally different category than both him and Norris though.

Could not resist

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[Methais]

The Rock played football for a while. He's also not old or dead. In their prime Lee and Chan are a totally different category than both him and Norris though.

Norris was trained by Bruce Lee though. As much of a Rock fan as I am, any of those other 3 guys would probably destroy him at any age.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I really want to know what makes you think The Rock belongs in the same category as Jackie Chan, Bruce Lee, or Chuck Norris.

Please don't dodge this one. It would be a travesty if you did.

They are all not Caucasian?

[Latrinsorm]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1F-ba5KwP_A

Check out the 3:05 mark.

I'm paraphrasing here.

"It just looked like the cop was trying to pull Brown into the car but then the cop realized that since Brown was a bigger fella that wasn't going to work so of course Brown got away and that upset the officer so he got out and started chasing after him."

Holy. Shit.

Are these the "witnesses" the media keeps talking about? Why the fuck would a cop try to pull someone into the car on top of themselves? Much less a 300 pound man? Did the officer really need to try to pull a 300 pound man into a car before realizing it wasn't going to work? Why would Brown then run away after this?

This is all just bullshit and the media should be ashamed of themselves for hyping this story up and making everything worse than it had to be.Why would an unarmed man run away from an armed, enraged, and possibly grizzled man? It's a real mystery, Terrence, but I have faith you can solve it.
Look guys, innocent white people got shot by police for no reason!I am sure this will be a huge shock to the four people who still put any faith in the LAPD.
So let me get this straight...you put The Rock on par with Bruce Lee, Chuck Norris, and Jackie Chan as far as how dangerous they are, because he's cool and buff and you liked a movie he was in?

Let's let that sink in for a minute.In terms of actual documented fighting Norris is the only one with any track record, Lee grew up street fighting and at least demonstrated ability in live action, Chan's martial arts are entirely (and intentionally) built for the dramatic realm, the Rock was a defensive tackle at a University of Miami, although the statistics from that era tragically record neither tackles nor elbow drops, so there's no telling how much he actually contributed.

[Tgo01]

Why would an unarmed man run away from an armed, enraged, and possibly grizzled man? It's a real mystery, Terrence, but I have faith you can solve it.

If he did nothing wrong then he shouldn't have to worry about the cop apparently trying to arrest him.

What you're basically advocating for is for people to assault and run away from cops for trying to arrest them. That's the wrong message to send.

[Latrinsorm]

If he did nothing wrong then he shouldn't have to worry about the cop apparently trying to arrest him.You have never sounded more like a white person.
What you're basically advocating for is for people to assault and run away from cops for trying to arrest them. That's the wrong message to send.I have been explicit and precise in my advocacy. It boggles my mind how my pointing out your flagrantly incorrect interpretation of my very clear position will garner responses of "same old Latinstorm with his troll implications!!! snake in the grass!!! the grass is also a troll!!!"

[Thondalar]

Why would an unarmed man run away from an armed, enraged, and possibly grizzled man? It's a real mystery, Terrence, but I have faith you can solve it.

I thought the autopsy proved all shots came from the front? If he was running away, how would this be possible?


In terms of actual documented fighting Norris is the only one with any track record, Lee grew up street fighting and at least demonstrated ability in live action, Chan's martial arts are entirely (and intentionally) built for the dramatic realm, the Rock was a defensive tackle at a University of Miami, although the statistics from that era tragically record neither tackles nor elbow drops, so there's no telling how much he actually contributed.

I mostly agree with this. I would still put Lee at the top of this list, not because of his body of work in movies, but because of his body of work in developing Jeet Kun Do. Jackie Chan is certainly better known for his on-screen martial arts, but he's been a student of martial arts his entire life. Besides his early training in Wushu/Kung Fu he also has a black belt in Hapkido, training under Jin Pal Kim, recognized as one of, if not the, best in the biz. I think it would be doing him a great disservice to assume his abilities are limited to his on-screen antics. As far as the Rock goes, he's a magnificently built specimen of a man, and I would have to assume that even with no formal training he would be difficult to defeat in unarmed combat, simply because of his size and physique. A fight between he and Lee would be interesting...probably more so than Lee and Kareem. That sparring match was classic because of the huge difference in size and reach of the two combatants, but Kareem was a huge lanky gangly sort, while the Rock is huge and solid as a...well...rock.

[Androidpk]

He was running backwards of course.

[Archigeek]

I thought the autopsy proved all shots came from the front? If he was running away, how would this be possible?

The witness stated that the officer was firing (and missing) while chasing Brown, who at some point stopped and turned around, at which point officer Wilson fire the majority of his shots fired. I suggest watching the video.

It's too bad she didn't have her camera out to record the actual incident.

[Tgo01]

The witness stated that the officer was firing (and missing) while chasing Brown, who at some point stopped and turned around, at which point officer Wilson fire the majority of his shots fired. I suggest watching the video.

If you're referring to the video I posted she very specifically stated she thought Brown turned around because he felt a bullet hit him then when the interviewer said the autopsy shows Brown was only hit from the front she then instantly changed her story and said yes, the cop didn't hit him until after he turned around.

Yeah Latrin, going by the actual topic of this thread being about cameras and stuff uh...it's a big argument for why universal surveillance is apparently pointless. People here are watching the same video and arriving to two different conclusions. My conclusion and the wrong conclusion. And I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to go over every video in a universal surveillance world to make sure we come to the same conclusion each time.

[Keller]

If you're referring to the video I posted she very specifically stated she thought Brown turned around because he felt a bullet hit him then when the interviewer said the autopsy shows Brown was only hit from the front she then instantly changed her story and said yes, the cop didn't hit him until after he turned around.

She said "clearly none of them hit him, but one of them did graze him as they said on the autopsy report." Is that what you're talking about?

[Tgo01]

She said "clearly none of them hit him, but one of them did graze him as they said on the autopsy report." Is that what you're talking about?

What she said was "Clearly none of them hit him but I think one did graze him as they said in the autopsy report and that's when he turned around and when the cop shot him multiple times from the front."

Then the reporter (either coaching her or correcting her) said the autopsy report shows he was shot just from the front, not from the back and then she said "Exactly, because when Brown turned around is when the cop fired most of the shots." Suddenly the whole "Oh he was grazed by a bullet as he was running away" is omitted from her story.

[Latrinsorm]

I thought the autopsy proved all shots came from the front? If he was running away, how would this be possible?He ran away, and when he realized the officer had gotten out of his vehicle and begun firing upon him he stopped. Anyone can outrun a guy sitting in a truck, nobody can outrun a bullet. Surrendering to a guy who's already shot at you is a high risk low reward move, but low reward beats no reward.
I mostly agree with this. I would still put Lee at the top of this list, not because of his body of work in movies, but because of his body of work in developing Jeet Kun Do. Jackie Chan is certainly better known for his on-screen martial arts, but he's been a student of martial arts his entire life. Besides his early training in Wushu/Kung Fu he also has a black belt in Hapkido, training under Jin Pal Kim, recognized as one of, if not the, best in the biz. I think it would be doing him a great disservice to assume his abilities are limited to his on-screen antics.I wouldn't say Jackie is necessarily limited to his on-screen performances, but I would say that when you train for 50 years to do martial arts a certain way that has an opportunity cost in learning how to actually fight, and I think Bruce would back me up on this point.
As far as the Rock goes, he's a magnificently built specimen of a man, and I would have to assume that even with no formal training he would be difficult to defeat in unarmed combat, simply because of his size and physique. A fight between he and Lee would be interesting...probably more so than Lee and Kareem. That sparring match was classic because of the huge difference in size and reach of the two combatants, but Kareem was a huge lanky gangly sort, while the Rock is huge and solid as a...well...rock.Lee would annihilate the Rock, get real.
Yeah Latrin, going by the actual topic of this thread being about cameras and stuff uh...it's a big argument for why universal surveillance is apparently pointless. People here are watching the same video and arriving to two different conclusions. My conclusion and the wrong conclusion. And I'm sorry but I can't be bothered to go over every video in a universal surveillance world to make sure we come to the same conclusion each time.Apparently I have to make this clear, but my surveillance would cover the actual acts, not merely witnesses talking about them. While we're on the topic, though:
Then the reporter (either coaching her or correcting her) said the autopsy report shows he was shot just from the front, not from the back and then she said "Exactly, because when Brown turned around is when the cop fired most of the shots." Suddenly the whole "Oh he was grazed by a bullet as he was running away" is omitted from her story.I have bolded an important word for you. :)

[Tgo01]

I have bolded an important word for you. :)

The part where she changed her story from "he was grazed running away" to "yes he was only shot in the front because that's when the cop fired most of this shots"?

Thanks for reiterating the point I have made at least 3 times now :)

[Methais]

The part where she changed her story from "he was grazed running away" to "yes he was only shot in the front because that's when the cop fired most of this shots"?

Thanks for reiterating the point I have made at least 3 times now :)

Why do you waste your time arguing with Latrin? If the conversation were about the sum of 2 + 2 and someone said 4 he would argue for at least 17 pages about it.

[Warriorbird]

Why do you waste your time arguing with Latrin? If the conversation were about the sum of 2 + 2 and someone said 4 he would argue for at least 17 pages about it.

They're very similar.

[Tgo01]

Why do you waste your time arguing with Latrin? If the conversation were about the sum of 2 + 2 and someone said 4 he would argue for at least 17 pages about it.

While the sum of 2 and 2 = 4, 2 squared does indeed = 5.

[Latrinsorm]

The part where she changed her story from "he was grazed running away" to "yes he was only shot in the front because that's when the cop fired most of this shots"?

Thanks for reiterating the point I have made at least 3 times now :)Your error is in assuming that a graze counts as a hit. You are welcome for my edifying you.
Why do you waste your time arguing with Latrin? If the conversation were about the sum of 2 + 2 and someone said 4 he would argue for at least 17 pages about it.I don't see how it's my fault you people are wrong all the time. I go to great lengths to help you all, and this is the thanks I get? Now I know how God feels. (In addition to having incredible hair, I mean.)

[Tgo01]

Now I know how God feels. (In addition to having incredible hair, I mean.)

Pppphhhhbbbbttt. You're Moses on your best day.

[Grey]

I don't see how it's my fault you people are wrong all the time.

Dude, you think that tacit is a perfect synonym for silence and only silence. You don't even check a dictionary when correcting people on word choice, you're probably wrong about everything else too.

[Gelston]

Your error is in assuming that a graze counts as a hit. You are welcome for my edifying you.I don't see how it's my fault you people are wrong all the time. I go to great lengths to help you all, and this is the thanks I get? Now I know how God feels. (In addition to having incredible hair, I mean.)

You shave your legs and you are a guy. Anything you say is invalid and wrong.

[Warriorbird]

I wonder what Tgo01 and Latrin combined would become.

[Thondalar]

What she said was "Clearly none of them hit him but I think one did graze him as they said in the autopsy report and that's when he turned around and when the cop shot him multiple times from the front."

Then the reporter (either coaching her or correcting her) said the autopsy report shows he was shot just from the front, not from the back and then she said "Exactly, because when Brown turned around is when the cop fired most of the shots." Suddenly the whole "Oh he was grazed by a bullet as he was running away" is omitted from her story.

This should be easy enough to determine during the course of the investigation. If X rounds hit Brown, and the cop started with Y number of bullets in the gun, and Z is the amount of bullets remaining in the gun, then E would be the number of total rounds fired. I also find it interesting that the "witness" admitted she didn't actually see what happened, when the interviewer asked her if she had a clear view of the entire altercation...this didn't stop her from concocting a story about it, changing it twice over the course of only a few minutes.

[Archigeek]

Since your paraphrasing is pretty slanted, here's a transcript of the interview:


Interview text:

I knew this was not right. I knew the police shouldn't have even been chasing this young boy and firing at the same time. Boy was shot in the face.

Ok, well from my point of view I can not tell exactly what was going on, but it just looked as if he was just trying to pull him almost into the car

Interviewer: pull who, who pulled?

A: The officer pulled Michael into the car, it just looked like he was trying to you know, Brown being a bigger fella, that didn't seem to be working so of course he got away, and it just seemed to have upset the officer.

Q: then what happened?

A: Got out, started chasing after the boy, I'm hearing shots fired, clearly none of them hit him, but one I think did graze him as they said in the autopsy report, and at the end he just turns around after I'm guessing he felt the bullet graze his arm and he was shot multiple times and.

Q: the autopsy is now showing that he was shot from the front, not the back. Does that square with what you saw?

A: Definitely, because he was running away, so when he turned towards the cop, was when he let off the most shots.

I don't see her "instantly changing her story" at all. In fact, she's pretty consistent, I imagine because it's pretty well burned into her memory.

In summary: She can't see what's happening in the car, then Brown flees and the officer gets out of the car and gives chase while firing at Brown.
At some point, Brown stops and turns around.
Officer Wilson continues to fire, (the majority of his shots), hitting Michael Brown in the face (among other places).

[Tgo01]

I also find it interesting that the "witness" admitted she didn't actually see what happened, when the interviewer asked her if she had a clear view of the entire altercation.

Ha. I just realized that. She claims she saw the whole thing yet she said it took her 30 seconds to run in the house to find the cellphone before she started recording and yet the recording starts after Brown was already dead. So how much could she have possibly seen when she admits she missed the 30 seconds prior to Brown being fatally shot?

Okay this witness is useless. Where is the next one?


I don't see her "instantly changing her story" at all. In fact, she's pretty consistent, I imagine because it's pretty well burned into her memory.

Going from "He was grazed as he was running away" to "He was only shot from the front" isn't changing her story?

Okay...

[Gelston]

I wonder what Tgo01 and Latrin combined would become.

Full blown AIDS

[Thondalar]

I wouldn't say Jackie is necessarily limited to his on-screen performances, but I would say that when you train for 50 years to do martial arts a certain way that has an opportunity cost in learning how to actually fight, and I think Bruce would back me up on this point.

While a lot of his earlier training at the Peking Opera House could be considered mostly focused on "entertainment" martial arts, his further training in Kung Fu after that, and especially his training in Hapkido, is something completely different. I liken it to my daughter's martial arts training...she started out at a school that taught mainly "competition" Tae Kwon Do, and now goes to a school that focuses on "traditional" Tae Kwon Do with an emphasis on self defense. While many of the poomsaes are similar in both schools, they are certainly different in how they teach it respective to prospective application. For example, last Monday's lesson focused on ways to subdue a much larger opponent that is straddling you on the ground and pummeling your face...this is a lesson her previous school simply wouldn't find a need to cover in much detail. While Chan's initial training would be more like the former, he's had a great deal of training in the latter since then. He doesn't compete or teach, so it's hard to estimate what his actual abilities are, but judging by his accomplishments outside of Hollywood, and the people he's trained with, I can only assume he would be able to handle himself quite well.

[Archigeek]

Ha. I just realized that. She claims she saw the whole thing yet she said it took her 30 seconds to run in the house to find the cellphone before she started recording and yet the recording starts after Brown was already dead. So how much could she have possibly seen when she admits she missed the 30 seconds prior to Brown being fatally shot?

Okay this witness is useless. Where is the next one?



Going from "He was grazed as he was running away" to "He was only shot from the front" isn't changing her story?

Okay...

You seem to think the cop only fired one bullet or something. I think it's pretty clear he fired while Brown was running away, and continued to fire when Brown turned around. Why is that so hard for you? Grazed while running away and shot from the front are two things that happened according to the witness. One does not exclude the other.

Regarding the timeline, it's clear that she saw the entire incident (except for what she couldn't see because the police vehicle was in the way) and THEN went to get her camera to record what she could after it was over. Your level of deliberate obfuscation would be remarkable if it wasn't so obvious as to be transparent. Only you could obfuscate transparently.

[Grey]

I think it's pretty clear he fired while Brown was running away

Here's the problem. It's not clear. All physical evidence says otherwise. A lot of other witness statements that aren't attention whoring on national television say otherwise (http://youtu.be/prrydnTAly0). That doesn't mean that the cop is in the clear. It means you should be waiting for the results of the grand jury and the transcripts. If the officer has a fractured orbital socket as reported, would that change your mind? Would the reported 10-12 witnesses corroborating the officer's version to the grand jury change your mind?

Doesn't look "pretty clear" to me. Looks pretty damn murky.

[Tgo01]

Grazed while running away and shot from the front are two things that happened according to the witness. One does not exclude the other.

Yeah...that's like exactly what it does. How are you hit while running away yet you were only hit from the front? Was Brown running with his front facing the cop?


Regarding the timeline, it's clear that she saw the entire incident (except for what she couldn't see because the police vehicle was in the way) and THEN went to get her camera to record what she could after it was over. Your level of deliberate obfuscation would be remarkable if it wasn't so obvious as to be transparent. Only you could obfuscate transparently.

Oh my bad! Is that what she's saying? She felt it was only important to videotape the dead body so she could just claim to have seen the whole incident prior?

Alright, yeah. She's still useless. I honestly can't believe anyone watched that interview and is taking her story seriously.

"Oh I waited to release this video because I feared for my life..."

"You can see officer Wilson there explaining to the officer like 'I can't believe what I just did...'"

"You can see officer Wilson pacing back and forth like he's saying "I can't believe I just shot this boy in the face and he was unarmed."

But she gives you the scenario you're so desperately after doesn't she Archigeek? That's why you gotta believe her and her bullshit story.

[Warriorbird]

Yeah...that's like exactly what it does. How are you hit while running away yet you were only hit from the front? Was Brown running with his front facing the cop?



Oh my bad! Is that what she's saying? She felt it was only important to videotape the dead body so she could just claim to have seen the whole incident prior?

Alright, yeah. She's still useless. I honestly can't believe anyone watched that interview and is taking her story seriously.

"Oh I waited to release this video because I feared for my life..."

"You can see officer Wilson there explaining to the officer like 'I can't believe what I just did...'"

"You can see officer Wilson pacing back and forth like he's saying "I can't believe I just shot this boy in the face and he was unarmed."

But she gives you the scenario you're so desperately after doesn't she Archigeek? That's why you gotta believe her and her bullshit story.

Is it not possible that your interpretation gives you what you're so desperately after?

[Methais]

They are all not Caucasian?

Chuck Norris isn't white?


Lee would annihilate the Rock, get real.

I'm sure Rock would agree too.

Found something I don't need to argue with Latrin about.

http://brandynbold.com/gifs/i%20like/riker-slow-clap.gif

[Tgo01]

Is it not possible that your interpretation gives you what you're so desperately after?

Yup. Still not buying the bullshit story that the cop was just having a bad day so he pulled up to a 300 pound man, grabbed him by the neck and tried to pull him into his truck, then got pissed off that the guy wouldn't fit through the window/door so he got out with his gun and chased him down and waited until he turned around to surrender before killing him in cold blood.

Because that's basically what this woman said and that's basically the exact same narrative I've been hearing for about a week now.

You know what? It still doesn't make sense. The fact that anyone listens to these stories and says "Yes...yes I could see that..." just...just yeah. Blah. Yeah.

[Archigeek]

Here's the problem. It's not clear. All physical evidence says otherwise. A lot of other witness statements that aren't attention whoring on national television say otherwise (http://youtu.be/prrydnTAly0). That doesn't mean that the cop is in the clear. It means you should be waiting for the results of the grand jury and the transcripts. If the officer has a fractured orbital socket as reported, would that change your mind? Would the reported 10-12 witnesses corroborating the officer's version to the grand jury change your mind?

Doesn't look "pretty clear" to me. Looks pretty damn murky.

Allow me to clarify. I think it's pretty clear that the witness is saying that officer Wilson was firing while Brown was running away, then Brown turned around. Of course all other testimony is just as valid as hers is, and yes, we'll all have to wait and see. Regarding any bruises or broken bones the officer has, I don't see how that changes anything for this witness, since she couldn't see anything that happened in the vehicle. She can really only witness to what happened that she could see.

[Warriorbird]

Yup. Still not buying the bullshit story that the cop was just having a bad day so he pulled up to a 300 pound man, grabbed him by the neck and tried to pull him into his truck, then got pissed off that the guy wouldn't fit through the window/door so he got out with his gun and chased him down and waited until he turned around to surrender before killing him in cold blood.

Because that's basically what this woman said and that's basically the exact same narrative I've been hearing for about a week now.

You know what? It still doesn't make sense. The fact that anyone listens to these stories and says "Yes...yes I could see that..." just...just yeah. Blah. Yeah.

Or maybe, just maybe, there were other factors involved in all of it. I'm looking forward to see the results of the investigation. I doubt we'll see any resolution to the most problematic bits to me (the reporter arrests), but you don't care about that because pff Constitution.

[Tgo01]

She can really only witness to what happened that she could see.

Yet that didn't stop her from saying "Oh it looked like the officer was trying to pull Brown into the car."

See what I mean? You're buying into her bullshit and just explaining away the parts of her story that don't make sense.

"Well I couldn't really see..." well then shut the fuck up and move on. "Oh but it did look like the police officer was in the wrong...and then when the officer couldn't fit this 300 pound man through the door he got upset at that."

[Archigeek]

Yet that didn't stop her from saying "Oh it looked like the officer was trying to pull Brown into the car."

See what I mean? You're buying into her bullshit and just explaining away the parts of her story that don't make sense.

"Well I couldn't really see..." well then shut the fuck up and move on. "Oh but it did look like the police officer was in the wrong...and then when the officer couldn't fit this 300 pound man through the door he got upset at that."

From the transcript:


Ok, well from my point of view I can not tell exactly what was going on, but it just looked as if he was just trying to pull him almost into the car

Interviewer: pull who, who pulled?

A: The officer pulled Michael into the car, it just looked like he was trying to you know, Brown being a bigger fella, that didn't seem to be working so of course he got away, and it just seemed to have upset the officer.

Stop making shit up man. It's kind of funny that you try to make a case that she's bullshitting by bullshitting. She's fairly clear about what she can and can't see and what she thinks vs what she knows and what's opinion.

[Latrinsorm]

Dude, you think that tacit is a perfect synonym for silence and only silence. You don't even check a dictionary when correcting people on word choice, you're probably wrong about everything else too.No, I think tacit is an antonym for explicit. When I explicitly say the story is ridiculous and you accuse me of tacitly saying it was, those are opposites. Thanks for proving my point, though! :)
Yup. Still not buying the bullshit story that the cop was just having a bad day so he pulled up to a 300 pound man, grabbed him by the neck and tried to pull him into his truck, then got pissed off that the guy wouldn't fit through the window/door so he got out with his gun and chased him down and waited until he turned around to surrender before killing him in cold blood.While we're on the subject of meaning, this (still) isn't what "cold blood" means.

[Tgo01]

From the transcript:

Ok, well from my point of view I can not tell exactly what was going on, but it just looked as if he was just trying to pull him almost into the car

Interviewer: pull who, who pulled?

A: The officer pulled Michael into the car, it just looked like he was trying to you know, Brown being a bigger fella, that didn't seem to be working so of course he got away, and it just seemed to have upset the officer.

Uhh? Yeah. That's exactly what I just said she said. She openly admits she couldn't tell exactly what was going on but 2 seconds later says she thinks the cop was in the wrong by trying to pull Brown into the car.


Stop making shit up man. It's kind of funny that you try to make a case that she's bullshitting by bullshitting. She's fairly clear about what she can and can't see and what she thinks vs what she knows and what's opinion.

What's really hilarious is you're the one who accused me earlier of jumping to the cop's defense for no reason yet we are now discussing a video that I have brought forth to the thread and all you're doing is tap dancing around her bullshit story and excusing her inconsistencies.

"If the cop suffered an eye injury it doesn't discount what this woman said because she said she couldn't tell exactly what was going on." Well then you should be here admonishing her for giving her "account" of what happened then.

I also like how you glossed over the part where she says "A bullet grazed him as he was running away like the autopsy said." Wait, is she giving us her account of what happened or is she just going by what the autopsy said?

[Tgo01]

Thread: Ferguson, Guns, and Cameras

shithead racist moron willing to believe anything to justify your idiocy


Calm down Archigeek; your anger is getting the better of you.

[Warriorbird]

Calm down Archigeek; your anger is getting the better of you.

I wish we had an alternate forum for the anonymous neg reppers to speak. I'm pretty sure most of them aren't actually engaging in discussions.

[waywardgs]

Police ammunition is tracked. Shouldn't be difficult to ascertain how many shots were fired besides the six that hit their mark.

[Jeril]

I wish we had an alternate forum for the anonymous neg reppers to speak. I'm pretty sure most of them aren't actually engaging in discussions.

Would be nice, and I am pretty sure that isn't from Archigeek. And I agree with the last statement as well, most of them probably aren't even the people posting.

[Jeril]

Police ammunition is tracked. Shouldn't be difficult to ascertain how many shots were fired besides the six that hit their mark.

I'll hit your mark!

[Grey]

When I explicitly say the story is ridiculous

Ahh... but you didn't. We can add liar to the list of things that you are.

[Archigeek]

Uhh? Yeah. That's exactly what I just said she said. She openly admits she couldn't tell exactly what was going on but 2 seconds later says she thinks the cop was in the wrong by trying to pull Brown into the car.



What's really hilarious is you're the one who accused me earlier of jumping to the cop's defense for no reason yet we are now discussing a video that I have brought forth to the thread and all you're doing is tap dancing around her bullshit story and excusing her inconsistencies.

"If the cop suffered an eye injury it doesn't discount what this woman said because she said she couldn't tell exactly what was going on." Well then you should be here admonishing her for giving her "account" of what happened then.

I also like how you glossed over the part where she says "A bullet grazed him as he was running away like the autopsy said." Wait, is she giving us her account of what happened or is she just going by what the autopsy said?

I really think you don't know what quotation marks are for, because you put things in quotes when they aren't what people said, or you clip out just a few words when the rest of the sentence wouldn't support your point, or would even refute it. It's a very weak form of trying to make an argument.

What I actually said, as opposed to what you thought appropriate to put in quotes:


Regarding any bruises or broken bones the officer has, I don't see how that changes anything for this witness, since she couldn't see anything that happened in the vehicle. She can really only witness to what happened that she could see.

And what do you expect her to give other than her account? You want me to admonish her for giving her account? She's not a professional witness, on the stand to explain balistics or something. her account is exactly what she should be giving.


Again, from the transcript, bold for emphasis: A: Got out, started chasing after the boy, I'm hearing shots fired, clearly none of them hit him, but one I think did graze him as they said in the autopsy report, and at the end he just turns around after I'm guessing he felt the bullet graze his arm and he was shot multiple times and.

I don't get where she's trying to bullshit. She states right there that she's assuming he was grazed based on what she read. It's really a non-point anyway, because it doesn't really matter if he turned around because he was grazed, felt a bullet wiz by, or shit his pants in fear. I am pretty sure she knows if he turned around or not.

Also, I haven't repped anyone in this thread. I couldn't rep you for being a dick, since I'd done it too recently to do it again already. Sorry!

[Archigeek]

Again with the reading comprehension fails, I haven't repped ANYONE in this thread. Also neither of those are mine. I'll let you know if you guess right though. Also, I think the mad shitter has a serious problem. I think everyone on the PC has neg rep from Sir Shits-a-lot: apparently a movie I recommended made him shart. :(

[Latrinsorm]

Ahh... but you didn't. We can add liar to the list of things that you are.This is getting kind of embarrassing, but here is a direct quote (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?91800-Ferguson-Guns-and-Cameras&p=1688802#post1688802): "I believe such ridiculous conduct on the part of a police officer because..." with added emphasis mine. It's not really a big deal for you back down on this, it's not like there are plenty of other things you could criticize me for.

[Grey]

This is getting kind of embarrassing, but here is a direct quote (http://forum.gsplayers.com/showthread.php?91800-Ferguson-Guns-and-Cameras&p=1688802#post1688802): "I believe such ridiculous conduct on the part of a police officer because..." with added emphasis mine. It's not really a big deal for you back down on this, it's not like there are plenty of other things you could criticize me for.

Jesus man, you just do not stop trying to twist and turn out of this. I'm glad you quoted yourself, because it's there in black and white: you called the conduct of the police officer ridiculous, not your asinine, contrived, idiotic, ridiculous opinion of what you believe happened. A belief that is truly ridiculous, based on moronic assumptions and terrible logic as previously outlined.

But hey, since you called something ridiculous in your the story, that's the same as the story being ridiculous, right? (Had I called it outrageous would you still be trying to wiggle out of it as much?)

[Androidpk]

Jesus man, you just do not stop trying to twist and turn out of this. I'm glad you quoted yourself, because it's there in black and white: you called the conduct of the police officer ridiculous, not your asinine, contrived, idiotic, ridiculous opinion of what you believe may have happened, which is what's truly ridiculous, for reasons of moronic assumptions and terrible logic previously outlined.

But hey, since you called something ridiculous in your the story, that's the same as the story being ridiculous, right? (Had I called it outrageous would you still be trying to wiggle out of it as much?)

One does not simply have a debate with Latrino.

[Grey]

I'm starting to worry he's had a stroke or something.

[Thondalar]

Jesus man, you just do not stop trying to twist and turn out of this.

You must be new around here. Welcome to Latrinsorm...even when he's wrong, he's not.

[Methais]

I'm too lazy to read most Latrin posts, so can someone TLDR me the point he's been trying to make for several pages?

[Gelston]

I'm too lazy to read most Latrin posts, so can someone TLDR me the point he's been trying to make for several pages?

"blah blah blah Lebron blah blah blah"

[Wrathbringer]

I'm too lazy to read most Latrin posts, so can someone TLDR me the point he's been trying to make for several pages?

Sure, no problem. Let me just quote the pertinent portions for you:


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That should help.

[Parkbandit]

I'm surprised anyone bothers reading his posts. I quit a long time ago.

When you feed the troll, he responds with more trolling.

:troll:

[Atlanteax]

I'm surprised anyone bothers reading his posts. I quit a long time ago.

When you feed the troll, he responds with more trolling.

:troll:

I read his basketball threads, out of curiosity of what new praise he has for Kobe.

[Latrinsorm]

Jesus man, you just do not stop trying to twist and turn out of this. I'm glad you quoted yourself, because it's there in black and white: you called the conduct of the police officer ridiculous, not your asinine, contrived, idiotic, ridiculous opinion of what you believe happened. A belief that is truly ridiculous, based on moronic assumptions and terrible logic as previously outlined.

But hey, since you called something ridiculous in your the story, that's the same as the story being ridiculous, right? (Had I called it outrageous would you still be trying to wiggle out of it as much?)When the story is specifically the police officer's conduct, I mean... like I said before I get that my posts rub you the wrong way but you really don't have to reach this far. Heck, you don't even have to read them and you can still bandy about criticisms, just look at the last several posts. :)
I'm too lazy to read most Latrin posts, so can someone TLDR me the point he's been trying to make for several pages?Me: this is a ridiculous story, but...
Grey: that story is ridiculous, which you even tacitly admit to!
Me: that's not what tacit means.
Grey: you're a stupid head!
Grey (later): and also, YOU don't know what tacit means!!!
Me: it is an antonym of explicit, and my post was explicit, so...
Grey: you're a liar!
Me: wat?
Grey: wat?
(repeat last two lines for some time)

And then I'm still right! Whatever else you think about me, I think you can be reasonably sure I know what words I say.
You must be new around here. Welcome to Latrinsorm...even when he's wrong, he's not.I can't speak to that. The sample size of me being wrong is just too small to draw any statistically significant conclusions. :)

[RichardCranium]

And then I'm still right! Whatever else you think about me, I think you can be reasonably sure I know what words I say.

You wear toe socks, your argument is invalid.

[Latrinsorm]

Yet another untruth. Yet! Another!

[Thondalar]

I'm surprised anyone bothers reading his posts. I quit a long time ago.

When you feed the troll, he responds with more trolling.

Occasionally he comes up with something actually intelligent. The vast majority of the time it's just semantic acrobatics that give the impression of intelligent discourse, but hey.

[Thondalar]

I'm too lazy to read most Latrin posts, so can someone TLDR me the point he's been trying to make for several pages?

Racist cop threw away his entire career and life because he hates black kids just that much. Universal surveillance.

[Androidpk]

Racist cop threw away his entire career and life because he hates black kids just that much. Universal surveillance.

What about the young man having marijuana in his system? Does Latrin account for that psychosis?

[Methais]

I'm surprised anyone bothers reading his posts. I quit a long time ago.

When you feed the troll, he responds with more trolling.

:troll:

I remember a time when I would read Latrin posts.

Then I caught on.

[Back]

I remember a time when I would read Latrin posts.

Then I caught on.

Reading is hard.

Or, maybe, his posts were so true, and you did not want that truth, so you blocked it out.

[Methais]

Reading is hard.

Or, maybe, his posts were so true, and you did not want that truth, so you blocked it out.

How drunk are you tonight?

[Latrinsorm]

Racist cop threw away his entire career and life because he hates black kids just that much.Did I say racist? Let me guess though, this is just semantic acrobatics on my part. Maybe if you people didn't read whatever you wanted into my posts they wouldn't strike you as so disagreeable.
Universal surveillance....lucky guess.

[Back]

How drunk are you tonight?

Latrin speaks English. If you don't understand his posts it's because you are too lazy to bother to read them, have trouble with comprehension or English in general, or you dislike what he has to say. You can't fault Latrin for that. He is one of the few people who will actually take the time to explain his point instead of posting clown gifs or resorting to insults.

[Parkbandit]

Latrin speaks English. If you don't understand his posts it's because you are too lazy to bother to read them, have trouble with comprehension or English in general, or you dislike what he has to say. You can't fault Latrin for that. He is one of the few people who will actually take the time to explain his point instead of posting clown gifs or resorting to insults.

In my defense.. I've told you repeatedly how utterly retarded you are and yet, you continue with the stupid parade.

My posting a clown GIF in response to your stupidity is the only entertaining value your posts offer.

[Jeril]

http://dailysurge.com/2014/08/milwaukee-sheriff-david-clarke-eric-holder-owes-every-officer-america-apology/#VDvYXfwDP662kZhi.99

[Tgo01]

http://dailysurge.com/2014/08/milwaukee-sheriff-david-clarke-eric-holder-owes-every-officer-america-apology/#VDvYXfwDP662kZhi.99

Obama! Obama! Obama!

[Tgo01]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/24/darren-wilson-jennings-police-department_n_5704133.html?icid=maing-grid7|main5|dl1|sec3_lnk4%26pLid%3D519874

Good job on your witch hunt and flaming the flames of racial hatred, media.

I'm surprised they didn't photoshop a swastika over his police uniform.

[Taernath]

Some officers from the disgraced department reapplied for their jobs. Wilson got a job in Ferguson, where he kept a clean disciplinary record and even earned a commendation. But that was all before the events that transpired earlier this month.

Therefore it doesn't count.

[Tgo01]

Therefore it doesn't count.

Exactly.

[Latrinsorm]

http://dailysurge.com/2014/08/milwaukee-sheriff-david-clarke-eric-holder-owes-every-officer-america-apology/#VDvYXfwDP662kZhi.99Can anyone explain how "sometimes there is racial tension between police and citizens" is irresponsible, inflammatory, or disrespectful? Can anyone even explain how the comment constitutes an accusation of malice?
Good job on your witch hunt and flaming the flames of racial hatred, media.

I'm surprised they didn't photoshop a swastika over his police uniform.Like cold blooded, what you're seeing is not a witch hunt. For one thing, the article makes no accusation against Officer Wilson. For another they don't even make any inflammatory insinuations: they say Brown's death as opposed to Brown's murder, for instance.

I mean seriously, you guys see real inflammatory comments every day. You have a frame of reference, why aren't you using it?

[Tgo01]

For one thing, the article makes no accusation against Officer Wilson.

It's pretty obvious what they were getting at, Latrin. You can stop pretending people don't engage in the act of implying something in their words or text. You're our resident expert on that :D

You must ask yourself; why do we even have a word like "imply" if no one ever does it?

[Latrinsorm]

It's pretty obvious what they were getting at, Latrin. You can stop pretending people don't engage in the act of implying something in their words or text. You're our resident expert on that :D

You must ask yourself; why do we even have a word like "imply" if no one ever does it?Everyone implies, but that doesn't mean that everyone's inferences are accurate. In some (most) [all] cases, yours aren't, and this is one of those times.

[Tgo01]

Everyone implies, but that doesn't mean that everyone's inferences are accurate. In some (most) [all] cases, yours aren't, and this is one of those times.

Alright Latrin, I'm in the mood for some troll on troll debate.

So tell me, if they weren't implying that the officer is a racist asshole as evidenced by him working at a police station that was disbanded because of the general racist assholeishness, then what is the point of the story?

I eagerly await your answer of "They're just giving some background information on the cop."

[Warriorbird]

It's pretty obvious what they were getting at, Latrin. You can stop pretending people don't engage in the act of implying something in their words or text. You're our resident expert on that :D

You must ask yourself; why do we even have a word like "imply" if no one ever does it?

According to you and your bestest friend Parkbandit you guys never ever do it.

[Tgo01]

According to you and your bestest friend Parkbandit you guys never ever do it.

I never imply? I never said I implied, I said people imply. I am more advanced than mere people.

[Androidpk]

I'm just glad people have short memories because these dog and pony shows are annoying. People are going to believe what they want to believe contrary to whatever evidence and facts are revealed.

[Taernath]

For one thing, the article makes no accusation against Officer Wilson. For another they don't even make any inflammatory insinuations: they say Brown's death as opposed to Brown's murder, for instance.

It's like when The Other Side starts posting pictures of Brown flashing his gun and money. Instead of 'oh he takes selfies with guns and money, he must be a thug', in this case it's 'oh, he came from a police department that was recycled due to racism, he must be a racist'.

[Warriorbird]

I personally doubt he was racist. It doesn't mean that this was a good shooting or arresting reporters is constitutional.

[Ker_Thwap]

I personally doubt he was racist. It doesn't mean that this was a good shooting or arresting reporters is constitutional.

I have zero clue if he was racist or not. I haven't heard a thing that suggests it one way or another.

[Androidpk]

It's like when The Other Side starts posting pictures of Brown flashing his gun and money. Instead of 'oh he takes selfies with guns and money, he must be a thug', in this case it's 'oh, he came from a police department that was recycled due to racism, he must be a racist'.

Yup.

Liberal Brown:

http://i.imgur.com/AYQq5O3.png



Conservative Brown:

http://i.imgur.com/YolfZ9U.jpg

[Grey]

You must ask yourself; why do we even have a word like "imply" if no one ever does it?


I believe such ridiculous conduct on the part of a police officer because I have witnessed ridiculous conduct on the part of the police force he belongs to.
Cop's conduct (A), Ridiculousness (C)
say A=C

Later...

When the story is specifically the police officer's conduct, I mean...
Story (B), Cop's conduct (A)
A=B


When I explicitly say the story is ridiculous
B=C

Believes because he originally said A=C, and later adds that A=B that he explicitly said B=C...

What we can properly infer is that Latrin doesn't understand the meanings of the words explicit or implied. Or as I previously speculated that he's completely delusional.

[Tgo01]

Cop's conduct (A), Ridiculousness (C)
say A=C

Later...

Story (B), Cop's conduct (A)
A=B


B=C

Believes because he originally said A=C, and later adds that A=B that he explicitly said B=C...

What we can properly infer is that Latrin doesn't understand the meanings of the words explicit or implied. Or as I previously speculated that he's completely delusional.

All I know from reading this is Latrin = owned.

[Latrinsorm]

Alright Latrin, I'm in the mood for some troll on troll debate.

So tell me, if they weren't implying that the officer is a racist asshole as evidenced by him working at a police station that was disbanded because of the general racist assholeishness, then what is the point of the story?

I eagerly await your answer of "They're just giving some background information on the cop."People like you keep asking "why would a police officer do this?" and now you have a reason - bad nurture led him astray. Please note how this neither explicitly nor implicitly describes the officer as "a racist asshole". He was merely trained to behave in a certain way... as are we all.

Of course you move the goal posts in response to this: the production of the reason you expressly asked for is called into question, exaggerated in order to engender a response, and the new debate covers your losing the last one, if only in your own mind.
It's like when The Other Side starts posting pictures of Brown flashing his gun and money. Instead of 'oh he takes selfies with guns and money, he must be a thug', in this case it's 'oh, he came from a police department that was recycled due to racism, he must be a racist'.I think the main outcries against that picture were that (1) he didn't have a gun at the time of the shooting (2) it was his Constitutional right as an American to bear arms in selfies and (3) the picture wasn't technically speaking of Brown at all. These are important distinctions because Officer Wilson (1) was still a former member of that PD at the time of the shooting (2) does not have a Constitutional right to his behavior and (3) is the man described by the Post.

Another important difference is that my side of the aisle did not restrict itself to implications. Laviticas for instance explicitly called "Brown" a gangster.

[Androidpk]

Wilson was a new hire at the old PD, which is why he was hired on with the new one.

[Latrinsorm]

Cop's conduct (A), Ridiculousness (C)
say A=C

Later...

Story (B), Cop's conduct (A)
A=B


B=C

Believes because he originally said A=C, and later adds that A=B that he explicitly said B=C...

What we can properly infer is that Latrin doesn't understand the meanings of the words explicit or implied. Or as I previously speculated that he's completely delusional.If I tell a story about a starting pitcher that pitches back to back no-hitters, I can say it's an incredible story, an incredible feat of pitching, a story about an incredible feat of pitching, an incredible story about a feat of pitching... these aren't distinctions or implications, they're just word order.

I said before that there were plenty of other grounds for you to criticize me and wondered why you would focus so heavily on this, but the more I think about it it must mean my position really is solid if this is the best you can come up with. :)

[Tgo01]

He was merely trained to behave in a certain way... as are we all.

The story doesn't prove he was trained in a certain way, much less in a way that says when you're bored or angry just get out of your car and shoot an unarmed black man to relieve the stress or boredom.

Your super hero name is "The Speculator"!

[Latrinsorm]

Wilson was a new hire at the old PD, which is why he was hired on with the new one.I assume this is a response to me but I don't see how it confirms or rebuts anything I wrote, do you care to elaborate?

[Warriorbird]

The story doesn't prove he was trained in a certain way, much less in a way that says when you're bored or angry just get out of your car and shoot an unarmed black man to relieve the stress or boredom.

Your super hero name is "The Speculator"!

Not that you'd ever do such a thing.

[Grey]

but the more I think about it it must mean my position really is solid

You're a clown. You make me laugh.

[Latrinsorm]

The story doesn't prove he was trained in a certain way,Can you even tell you're doing it, I wonder? You asked for a reason, one was given, but you can't be satisfied so you invent new demands.
much less in a way that says when you're bored or angry just get out of your car and shoot an unarmed black man to relieve the stress or boredom.I would have guessed straw men to be easier to move than goal posts, and you have confirmed that for me. Thanks!

[Latrinsorm]

You're a clown. You make me laugh.I guess you could use that as a rejoinder. It doesn't seem very compelling, though.

[Tgo01]

Can you even tell you're doing it, I wonder? You asked for a reason, one was given, but you can't be satisfied so you invent new demands.I would have guessed straw men to be easier to move than goal posts, and you have confirmed that for me. Thanks!

Alright that's enough troll vs troll debate for me for today.

Until next time, Latrin.

Next tttiiimmmeee!!

[Androidpk]

I assume this is a response to me but I don't see how it confirms or rebuts anything I wrote, do you care to elaborate?

You implied that the culture of the Police Department had a negative influence on him despite the fact that he was a new hire. Ipso facto, you are wrong. QED

[Ker_Thwap]

You implied that the culture of the Police Department had a negative influence on him despite the fact that he was a new hire. Ipso facto, you are wrong. QED

No, you inferred incorrectly. Sucker, you've been Latrin'ed.

[Latrinsorm]

No, you inferred incorrectly. Sucker, you've been Latrin'ed.It was well inferred, he has just reached an erroneous conclusion. A small period of time does not necessarily have a small effect: there's a reason they are called formative years, although of course in this case they'd only be months and thus the effect is smaller.

[Tgo01]

Latrin, it's okay to admit you're wrong once in a while.

It means you're human. There's nothing wrong with being human.

[Latrinsorm]

I always admit when I'm wrong! And I'll prove it: show me one time I was wrong and I'll either have already admitted it or will do so again.

[Androidpk]

It was well inferred, he has just reached an erroneous conclusion. A small period of time does not necessarily have a small effect: there's a reason they are called formative years, although of course in this case they'd only be months and thus the effect is smaller.

I said QED!



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xKG07305CBs

[Thondalar]

Latrin, it's okay to admit you're wrong once in a while.

It means you're human. There's nothing wrong with being human.

You're joking, right? In Latrin's mind, being human is the greatest of wrongs.

My logic tells me that some people are bad, and we have to take the bad with the good. Latrin's science tells him some people are bad, so we should all live in padded cells so nobody gets hurt.

[Parkbandit]

According to you and your bestest friend Parkbandit you guys never ever do it.

Could you show a single post of mine where I said I never do it?

Just one single post.

Otherwise, you are just pulling a WB (as usual)

PS - I don't even know tgo01. I'm not surprised though that he considers me his best friend. I'm fucking awesome.

[Methais]

I thought Tgo considered me his best friend.

Now my day is ruined knowing otherwise. :(

[Tgo01]

Guys, guys. As long as you think Obama sucks then you're all my best friend. No need to fight over the title :D

[Parkbandit]

I called it first.

I'm also pretty sure I foretold this will be a terrible administration and it's high level of suck years ago.

[Androidpk]

Guys, guys. As long as you think Obama sucks then you're all my best friend. No need to fight over the title :D

Shut up. You don't even have green grass.

[Tgo01]

Shut up. You don't even have green grass.

:(

[Warriorbird]

Could you show a single post of mine where I said I never do it?

Just one single post.

Otherwise, you are just pulling a WB (as usual)

PS - I don't even know tgo01. I'm not surprised though that he considers me his best friend. I'm fucking awesome.

We have longstanding assertion that whenever you imply something that you actually didn't, that others don't imply things either if they're conservative, and now a "only me literally saying exactly these words counts!" Excellent job giving me just what I was looking for.

[Thondalar]

I called it first.

I'm also pretty sure I foretold this will be a terrible administration and it's high level of suck years ago.

Not really an epic call. Community organizer and not-even-one-full-term Senator jumping straight to the presidency? People really thought he would be an effective leader?

Oh, wait. I mean uh...wtf, he's black. We can't have a black sheriff.

[Warriorbird]

I'm just shocked that a Republican would think a Democratic administration would be terrible. Shocked!

[Ker_Thwap]

We have longstanding assertion that whenever you imply something that you actually didn't, that others don't imply things either if they're conservative, and now a "only me literally saying exactly these words counts!" Excellent job giving me just what I was looking for.

Are you having a stroke?

[Warriorbird]

Are you having a stroke?

Nope, just highlighting Parkbandit doing exactly what he claims not to do. Pretty typical. It's like a perfect circle. He gets to stuff his fingers in his ears and deny that he stuffs his fingers in his ears. This is primarily useful to point to later.

[Ker_Thwap]

Nope, just highlighting Parkbandit doing exactly what he claims not to do. Pretty typical. It's like a perfect circle. He gets to stuff his fingers in his ears and deny that he stuffs his fingers in his ears. This is primarily useful to point to later.

It may not be particularly useful when you sober up and try to translate that mess.

[Warriorbird]

It may not be particularly useful when you sober up and try to translate that mess.

I haven't had a drop in quite a while. I'll simply it for you.

Parkbandit likes to declare that people don't imply things, himself in particular. He also loves to declare that people haven't been racist or didn't intend to imply anything bad (if they're a conservative accused of implying something bad in particular.) But when the time comes to face up to his MO he asks for it stated exactly where he said that he doesn't ever imply anything. This is exactly the same tactic he uses to claim that people never imply anything, so serves as an excellent illustration of his oft repeated MO.

It'd be funny to repost but the search system is too annoying around here to really bother with.

[Androidpk]

I haven't had a drop in quite a while. I'll simply it for you.


It? Shit? Maybe you should be hanging out with Allereli, eating figs.

[Ker_Thwap]

I haven't had a drop in quite a while. I'll simply it for you.

Parkbandit likes to declare that people don't imply things, himself in particular. He also loves to declare that people haven't been racist or didn't intend to imply anything bad (if they're a conservative accused of implying something bad in particular.) But when the time comes to face up to his MO he asks for it stated exactly where he said that he doesn't ever imply anything. This is exactly the same tactic he uses to claim that people never imply anything, so serves as an excellent illustration of his oft repeated MO.

It'd be funny to repost but the search system is too annoying around here to really bother with.

I know what you're getting at. What words strung together awkwardly required guessing of intentions yours. That's what I'm getting at.

[Warriorbird]

I know what you're getting at. What words strung together awkwardly required guessing of intentions yours. That's what I'm getting at.

Fair enough. I tend to be more stream of consciousness on the phone. I normally edit more often on the computer to make things clearer. I'll try to smooth it up a bit.

[Androidpk]

Fair enough. I tend to be more stream of consciousness on the phone. I normally edit more often on the computer to make things clearer. I'll try to smooth it up a bit.

Figs, man.

[Warriorbird]

Figs, man.

Am I doing it wrong?

http://www.gmmstudios.com/Pictures/ModelPhotos/he1.jpg

[Androidpk]

O_O

Custom chaos chapter?

[Warriorbird]

O_O

Custom chaos chapter?

Not mine. I just remember them showing up in a "100,000 point army" thread.

Only figs I've done lately have been Necromunda Spyrers. 1000 points is quite a bit smaller.

[Wrathbringer]

Are you having a stroke?

Hahahahahahaha

[Parkbandit]

I haven't had a drop in quite a while. I'll simply it for you.

Parkbandit likes to declare that people don't imply things, himself in particular. He also loves to declare that people haven't been racist or didn't intend to imply anything bad (if they're a conservative accused of implying something bad in particular.) But when the time comes to face up to his MO he asks for it stated exactly where he said that he doesn't ever imply anything. This is exactly the same tactic he uses to claim that people never imply anything, so serves as an excellent illustration of his oft repeated MO.

It'd be funny to repost but the search system is too annoying around here to really bother with.

I'm with Ker_thwap.. you must have had one of those strong strokes where half your brain just melts away and your other half just makes something up to fill in the space.

You're delusional.

[Parkbandit]

Am I doing it wrong?


It's a habit of yours. It's probably easier to find something you are doing right.. because that would be a short list indeed.

[Warriorbird]

It's a habit of yours. It's probably easier to find something you are doing right.. because that would be a short list indeed.

Of course you take an amusing aside as a moment to throw in an insult. It's a habit of yours. It's fine. I already got what I wanted.


Hahahahahahaha

Get back to me when you're no longer a parody of yourself.

"Somebody dared to suggest I said something racist! I'm going to show them real racism!" Then you forgot where the line was.

[Methais]

Figs, man.

How do they work?

[Androidpk]

How do they work?


http://rs256.pbsrc.com/albums/hh165/r3marcus/pumpkin-goatse.jpg~320x480

Noob

[Parkbandit]

Of course you take an amusing aside as a moment to throw in an insult. It's a habit of yours. It's fine. I already got what I wanted.


You poor little victim.

You still having trouble with the search function? Still waiting for all those posts...

[Warriorbird]

You poor little victim.

You still having trouble with the search function? Still waiting for all those posts...

Please make more posts that dispute your own claims. They're hilarious.

[Parkbandit]

Please make more posts that dispute your own claims. They're hilarious.

Still waiting for these claims....

[Warriorbird]

Still waiting for these claims....

You're doing it right now and you don't even get it. It's cool.

[Methais]

http://rs256.pbsrc.com/albums/hh165/r3marcus/pumpkin-goatse.jpg~320x480

Noob

Figs, not fags.

[Gelston]

Someone was shot. Protests and riots happened, buildings were set on fire people were looting. Police responded heavily. The rioting stopped, the peaceful protests continued. The police presence backed down. I don't see the issue. Let the investigation into the shooting happen.

[Thondalar]

I'm just shocked that a Republican would think a Democratic administration would be terrible. Shocked!

I'm more shocked that everyone seems to be so quick to throw away common sense in favor of brinksmanship. Right and Wrong left the building a long time ago.

[Back]

I'm more shocked that everyone seems to be so quick to throw away common sense in favor of brinksmanship. Right and Wrong left the building a long time ago.

Says the privileged.

[Gelston]

Says the privileged.

Sorry, who the hell are you to judge?

[Androidpk]

I'm more shocked that everyone seems to be so quick to throw away common sense in favor of brinksmanship. Right and Wrong left the building a long time ago.

^

[Back]

Sorry, who the hell are you to judge?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlWCWksC7_o

[Gelston]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zlWCWksC7_o

So, nothing to say but a crappy youtube video. Gotcha.

[Gelston]

You know Back, I try really, really hard to understand your side of a story. I try very hard to look at everything you type as a non - trolling message. It just becomes too hard sometimes. You know, I read it and reread it and I just can't say that it is a serious comment. I, I feel for you.

[Parkbandit]

You're doing it right now and you don't even get it. It's cool.

I'm doing what exactly? Asking you to back up your bullshit?

I know! HOW DARE I!

You're hilarious.. in a sad type of way.

[Parkbandit]

Says the privileged.

http://31.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m4985oZZuR1r7bwroo1_400.gif

[Warriorbird]

I'm doing what exactly? Asking you to back up your bullshit?

I know! HOW DARE I!

You're hilarious.. in a sad type of way.

Using the technique you use to deny that anybody ever implied anything. I didn't have to go searching at all, just like I intended.

"If they didn't say THESE EXACT WORDS THEY DIDN'T DO IT!"

It's a denial that anybody can imply things.

[Parkbandit]

You know Back, I try really, really hard to understand your side of a story. I try very hard to look at everything you type as a non - trolling message. It just becomes too hard sometimes. You know, I read it and reread it and I just can't say that it is a serious comment. I, I feel for you.

Trolling? He's not trolling. Trolling has at least SOME intelligence behind it.

He's regurgitating shit he hears on NBC and hoping something is smart sounding.

[Wrathbringer]

Says the privileged.

Says the retarded.

[Parkbandit]

Using the technique you use to deny that anybody ever implied anything. I didn't have to go searching at all, just like I intended.

"If they didn't say THESE EXACT WORDS THEY DIDN'T DO IT!"

It's a denial that anybody can imply things.

You made a retarded claim that you said I stated. I never said anything close to it.

I asked you for a post of mine that illustrated your retarded claim. You said the search function is too hard to use.

You didn't use any "technique".. you did what you so regularly do.. you create in your unstable head what someone else says and then dig in your heels for a few days of stupid.

We get it. You have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation and this is your way of trying.

[Parkbandit]

Says the retarded.

He's such a Packer.

[Wrathbringer]

You made a retarded claim that you said I stated. I never said anything close to it.

I asked you for a post of mine that illustrated your retarded claim. You said the search function is too hard to use.

You didn't use any "technique".. you did what you so regularly do.. you create in your unstable head what someone else says and then dig in your heels for a few days of stupid.

We get it. You have nothing intelligent to add to the conversation and this is your way of trying.

Qft

[Xaerve]

I love that there are like 4-5 of you that go thread to thread constantly calling each other stupid, and it's been going on for thousands of posts for years :)

[Parkbandit]

I love that there are like 4-5 of you that go thread to thread constantly calling each other stupid, and it's been going on for thousands of posts for years :)

In my defense: He started it.

So there.

[Ker_Thwap]

I love that there are like 4-5 of you that go thread to thread constantly calling each other stupid, and it's been going on for thousands of posts for years :)

The empty vessel makes the loudest sound.
William Shakespeare

[Methais]

https://fbcdn-sphotos-f-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-xap1/v/t1.0-9/1555356_657513714294871_707406387_n.jpg?oh=869f099 55ea546527e96ccbc62df36a8&oe=5472E7E1&__gda__=1417185122_66326499f58ea777d536d889032c99f 5

[Atlanteax]

I haven't had a drop in quite a while. I'll simply it for you.

Parkbandit likes to declare that people don't imply things, himself in particular. He also loves to declare that people haven't been racist or didn't intend to imply anything bad (if they're a conservative accused of implying something bad in particular.) But when the time comes to face up to his MO he asks for it stated exactly where he said that he doesn't ever imply anything. This is exactly the same tactic he uses to claim that people never imply anything, so serves as an excellent illustration of his oft repeated MO.

It'd be funny to repost but the search system is too annoying around here to really bother with.

WB having a 'Back moment'

[Tgo01]

I love that there are like 4-5 of you that go thread to thread constantly calling each other stupid, and it's been going on for thousands of posts for years :)

If it ain't broke, don't fix it!

[Latrinsorm]

You're joking, right? In Latrin's mind, being human is the greatest of wrongs.

My logic tells me that some people are bad, and we have to take the bad with the good. Latrin's science tells him some people are bad, so we should all live in padded cells so nobody gets hurt.This, for the record, is a(nother) example of poor inference. I merely observe...

Once we had a decentralized, disorganized military. It was lousy.
Then we centralized it, against the express wishes of our Founding Fathers. It was awesome on net, even though it committed (and still commits) terrible atrocities and poses an unimaginable risk to our rights and our very lives.

Now we have a decentralized, disorganized surveillance state. It is lousy.
If centralization (an empowering process for the government and therefore a disempowering process for citizens) worked on net for a far more dangerous power, why wouldn't we expect it to work when the potential dangers are inarguably smaller?

Why? Because (as I have demonstrated in this thread) I choose my words with good reason. The risk posed by the military is literally unimaginable, and as such it does not exist in the minds of certain people. This leads WB for example to make such unbelievable claims as covert power being more dangerous than overt. A camera more dangerous than an atom bomb, a bullet to the head, and a littoral combat ship combined. Whew! Tough for me to see how that can be correct.

[Warriorbird]

I love that there are like 4-5 of you that go thread to thread constantly calling each other stupid, and it's been going on for thousands of posts for years :)

It's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to see where I apparently "started it."

[Parkbandit]

It's pretty funny.

I'm looking forward to see where I apparently "started it."

Like most things for you:

Woosh

[Warriorbird]

Like most things for you:

Woosh

My gosh. It's like he won't look for a post from 10 years ago!

[Parkbandit]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN! TIME TO UP THE OUTRAGE!!!!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/

[Parkbandit]

Oops, this just in: Kid was not black.

http://media.washtimes.com/media/image/2014/08/25/8_252014_dillon8201_c0-125-963-691_s425x250.jpg?3a3ae7cbcaa35fbbfd5cace9630062e2d 643353a

Outrage is officially cancelled. BACK TO FURGUSON!!!

[rolfard]

Oh snap! But it's not a race thing it's an age thing. This 'kid' is 20! Michael Brown was 18! Just a child!

[Ker_Thwap]

The outrage is still there. My 80 year old dad forwarded a ranty email in which it described this angel of a child shot because he was wearing headphones, and couldn't hear the cops command to stop, then pulled a cell phone and was shot. Replace Al with Rush. Replace rioting with whining on talk radio and forwarding glurge emails.

The guy was wanted on a warrant for breaking and entering. Posted on FB that his family ratted him out and he'd die before going into a jail cell. Couldn't hear, then could hear, and wanted to pull up his pants before lying down. There's apparently officer video of this. That should be interesting.

There won't be riots, because no one liked this punk, even his own family wanted him in jail. He got what he wished for. Careful what you wish for.

[Atlanteax]

That 'beard' is another crime all together.

[Methais]

Former Marine Brutally Beaten as Revenge for Ferguson; Told Waffle House ‘Not Safe for Whites’; Race-Hustlers Silent

http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Weems-and-McMilliam.jpg

Al Sharpton has been leading the desire for vigilante justice in Ferguson, Missouri following the shooting death, still under investigation, of Michael Brown by Officer Darren Wilson. The Obama regime has seemingly taken sides in the matter with Eric Holder relating to the community about his personal experiences as a black man while stating that they stand with the people of Ferguson. There have even been threats that if no charges are brought against Wilson, regardless of the evidence, that there will be more violence and more riots.

Now, it looks like we potentially have our first case of a vengeance based hate crime by individuals who targeted a white guy in the name of justice for Michael Brown.
Former U.S. Marine Ralph Weems, a 32 year old white male, was left with life-threatening injuries after being followed by a mob of 20 black black men then beaten. Prior to the attack, Weems, who is a veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, entered the Waffle House in West Point, Mississippi. His friend, David Knighten, said that someone waved him over and told him the restaurant was not safe for whites because the black people inside were angry over the death of Michael Brown.

When Knighten entered, he witnessed a heated argument with people in the restaurant. The two left the premises after police arrived due to another argument around 1 am. Prior to heading home, they stopped at a Huddle House restaurant and that is where the vicious beating took place.

Twenty black men had followed Knighten and Weems from the Waffle House. While the police say surveillance cameras indicate there were fewer than that, it doesn’t change the fact that these two men were beaten for the sole crime of being white.

Knighten said that he heard racial slurs coming from the mob. The Blaze reports that the AP has since removed those comments, but it was done so without any explanation.

Knighten was apparently inside the restaurant because he said Weems was on the ground being kicked by multiple attackers. The crowd then turned on Knighten who was left with broken facial bones, a cut over his left eye and a blood clot in his right eye. It was a full hour before police arrived at the scene following a 911 call at 2 am. By then the vicious mob of attackers were gone.

Weems has been placed in a medically induced coma due to the severity of his injuries after undergoing brain surgery.

Given the circumstances surrounding this attack, one would think that it would be labeled a hate crime. After all, a group of upwards of 20 black men singled out two white men for no reason other than the fact that they were angry about the Michael Brown shooting and were going to seek justice any way the could. Weems and Knighten just so happen to be the ‘wrong color’ in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But, police have already said they do not believe this was a hate crime. Police Chief Tim Brinkley said that he will leave that for a jury to decide, but thus far hate crime charges have not been brought up.

One suspect, Courtez McMilliam, 32, has been arrested and charged with aggravated assault. The rest of the violent mob is still at large.

Will there be justice for Knighten and Weems? Weems fought for our country in not one, but two wars. He is hanging on to dear life due to an event that may have occurred due to the vigilante justice and desire to make someone pay brought on by the hate-filled rhetoric espoused and encouraged by MSNBC’s Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, and Barack Obama.

If history is repeated in charges brought up in this case, it is unlikely that hate crime charges will be brought against the savages who brutally attacked Knighten and Weems. Eric Holder, the attorney general who publicly identifies as a progressive activist, said before Congress in 2009 that the hate crime statute cannot be applied in relation to crimes of black people against white people.

To Holder, who was arrested while a student at Columbia University for his participation in the armed takeover of an ROTC office, it is not possible for a black person to commit a hate based crime against a white person. Only whites can commit hate crimes if they attack a black person. In fact, it doesn’t even necessarily have to be a proven fact. As we can see in Ferguson, that allegation is being made against Officer Darren Wilson with no proof thus far and before an investigation is complete.

We have witnessed the selective application of the hate crime statute recently in this country. For months, there were countless news stories of young blacks attacking white people in the ‘Knockout Game.’ The elderly were attacked. Pregnant women were attacked. In each of these instances, the victims were white and the perpetrators were black. No hate crime charges were leveled.

Where we saw hate crime charges be leveled was in the rare case of one white male who participated in the Knockout game and attacked a black man. The white man was charged with a hate crime.

Are we to believe that we live in a post-racial society when there is selective application of the law based upon the color of ones’ skin? Black thugs have gotten away with countless acts of criminality in targeting white people without being charged with a hate crime which would come with even harsher penalties.

But, again, we have progressive, race baiting activists in both the White House and the Attorney General’s office.

As former Marine Ralph Weems lies in a hospital bed fighting for his life, there is no media coverage. There is no statement by Obama. There is no outrage by Sharpton. There is no comment from Holder that he stands with Weems.

Shame on them.

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/26/former-marine-brutally-beaten-as-revenge-for-ferguson-told-waffle-house-not-safe-for-whites-race-hustlers-silent/

It's not racist because the victim is white.

[Taernath]

The resemblance is uncanny.

http://37.media.tumblr.com/3c2f72d52a7cb577b69519393a0b9828/tumblr_n4kv7isQCx1sjl2smo1_500.jpg

[Ker_Thwap]

Ugh, that article is a pile of mush Methias. It encompasses way too much hearsay and generalizes to an amazing extent.

It also reads like a Sean of the Thread story. There I was minding my own business at the waffle house when someone said it wasn't safe for whites. It turns out it was safe for whites after all, so we left and went somewhere else to pick a fight. It took a while, but we finally got our fight.

The knockout game, attacks on pregnant women, etc. I wasn't aware those were more than scattered phenomenon or that they were exclusively black on white events. Really need to weight them on a case by case basis.

A few people think hate crimes can't be committed against white people. Fine, those few people are idiots.

[Parkbandit]

A few people think hate crimes can't be committed against white people. Fine, those few people are idiots.

Let me guess.. you are white.

White privilege.

~ Packlash

[Wrathbringer]

Former Marine Brutally Beaten as Revenge for Ferguson; Told Waffle House ‘Not Safe for Whites’; Race-Hustlers Silent

http://www.tpnn.com/wp-content/uploads/2014/08/Weems-and-McMilliam.jpg

Al Sharpton has been leading the desire for vigilante justice in Ferguson, Missouri following the shooting death, still under investigation, of Michael Brown by Officer Darren Wilson. The Obama regime has seemingly taken sides in the matter with Eric Holder relating to the community about his personal experiences as a black man while stating that they stand with the people of Ferguson. There have even been threats that if no charges are brought against Wilson, regardless of the evidence, that there will be more violence and more riots.

Now, it looks like we potentially have our first case of a vengeance based hate crime by individuals who targeted a white guy in the name of justice for Michael Brown.
Former U.S. Marine Ralph Weems, a 32 year old white male, was left with life-threatening injuries after being followed by a mob of 20 black black men then beaten. Prior to the attack, Weems, who is a veteran of the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, entered the Waffle House in West Point, Mississippi. His friend, David Knighten, said that someone waved him over and told him the restaurant was not safe for whites because the black people inside were angry over the death of Michael Brown.

When Knighten entered, he witnessed a heated argument with people in the restaurant. The two left the premises after police arrived due to another argument around 1 am. Prior to heading home, they stopped at a Huddle House restaurant and that is where the vicious beating took place.

Twenty black men had followed Knighten and Weems from the Waffle House. While the police say surveillance cameras indicate there were fewer than that, it doesn’t change the fact that these two men were beaten for the sole crime of being white.

Knighten said that he heard racial slurs coming from the mob. The Blaze reports that the AP has since removed those comments, but it was done so without any explanation.

Knighten was apparently inside the restaurant because he said Weems was on the ground being kicked by multiple attackers. The crowd then turned on Knighten who was left with broken facial bones, a cut over his left eye and a blood clot in his right eye. It was a full hour before police arrived at the scene following a 911 call at 2 am. By then the vicious mob of attackers were gone.

Weems has been placed in a medically induced coma due to the severity of his injuries after undergoing brain surgery.

Given the circumstances surrounding this attack, one would think that it would be labeled a hate crime. After all, a group of upwards of 20 black men singled out two white men for no reason other than the fact that they were angry about the Michael Brown shooting and were going to seek justice any way the could. Weems and Knighten just so happen to be the ‘wrong color’ in the wrong place at the wrong time.

But, police have already said they do not believe this was a hate crime. Police Chief Tim Brinkley said that he will leave that for a jury to decide, but thus far hate crime charges have not been brought up.

One suspect, Courtez McMilliam, 32, has been arrested and charged with aggravated assault. The rest of the violent mob is still at large.

Will there be justice for Knighten and Weems? Weems fought for our country in not one, but two wars. He is hanging on to dear life due to an event that may have occurred due to the vigilante justice and desire to make someone pay brought on by the hate-filled rhetoric espoused and encouraged by MSNBC’s Al Sharpton, Jesse Jackson, Eric Holder, and Barack Obama.

If history is repeated in charges brought up in this case, it is unlikely that hate crime charges will be brought against the savages who brutally attacked Knighten and Weems. Eric Holder, the attorney general who publicly identifies as a progressive activist, said before Congress in 2009 that the hate crime statute cannot be applied in relation to crimes of black people against white people.

To Holder, who was arrested while a student at Columbia University for his participation in the armed takeover of an ROTC office, it is not possible for a black person to commit a hate based crime against a white person. Only whites can commit hate crimes if they attack a black person. In fact, it doesn’t even necessarily have to be a proven fact. As we can see in Ferguson, that allegation is being made against Officer Darren Wilson with no proof thus far and before an investigation is complete.

We have witnessed the selective application of the hate crime statute recently in this country. For months, there were countless news stories of young blacks attacking white people in the ‘Knockout Game.’ The elderly were attacked. Pregnant women were attacked. In each of these instances, the victims were white and the perpetrators were black. No hate crime charges were leveled.

Where we saw hate crime charges be leveled was in the rare case of one white male who participated in the Knockout game and attacked a black man. The white man was charged with a hate crime.

Are we to believe that we live in a post-racial society when there is selective application of the law based upon the color of ones’ skin? Black thugs have gotten away with countless acts of criminality in targeting white people without being charged with a hate crime which would come with even harsher penalties.

But, again, we have progressive, race baiting activists in both the White House and the Attorney General’s office.

As former Marine Ralph Weems lies in a hospital bed fighting for his life, there is no media coverage. There is no statement by Obama. There is no outrage by Sharpton. There is no comment from Holder that he stands with Weems.

Shame on them.

http://www.tpnn.com/2014/08/26/former-marine-brutally-beaten-as-revenge-for-ferguson-told-waffle-house-not-safe-for-whites-race-hustlers-silent/

It's not racist because the victim is white.

This article is obviously a work of fiction, as at least a few assailants would be killed in the effort to subdue any marine. They could have at least made him an airman in the interest of plausibility.

[Methais]

With Eric Holder being one of them?

The way the article was written doesn't change the fact that white people getting fucked up by black people because they're white doesn't make news but every time a white guy farts in a black guy's general direction it's omghatecrime before the facts are even out.

[Sorcasaurus]

I'm more concerned with the 1 hour response time with injuries warranting an induced coma than a 1am fight near at that serve alcohol.


The way the article was written doesn't change the fact that white people getting fucked up by black people because they're white doesn't make news but every time a white guy farts in a black guy's general direction it's omghatecrime before the facts are even out.

I don't disagree with the this idea. Every day there are violent crimes between people of varying races. Only very specific cases are blown up with the race card, and it's unfortunate. Public figures pushing their own agendas, how new and strange.

[Ker_Thwap]

Let me guess.. you are white.

White privilege.

~ Packlash
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[Ker_Thwap]

With Eric Holder being one of them?

The way the article was written doesn't change the fact that white people getting fucked up by black people because they're white doesn't make news but every time a white guy farts in a black guy's general direction it's omghatecrime before the facts are even out.

I'll agree that there are serious concerns. I do think that mush up articles tend to hurt one's cause, rather than help. In general when you have a decent point to make, let it stand on it's own merits without mixing it up with a bunch of conjecture and trash reporting. That kind of crap only detracts from the decent point.

[Hydra]

Black on black crime.. no one cares, boring.

Black on white crime.. too sensitive, don't cover.

White on black crime.. sensationalism! $$$!


IT HAPPENED AGAIN! TIME TO UP THE OUTRAGE!!!!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/

What the serious fuck!

When who commits an act becomes more important than the act itself the country is, IMO, official in the shitter.

[Ker_Thwap]

What the serious fuck!

When who commits an act becomes more important than the act itself the country is, IMO, official in the shitter.

I'm not defending their comments, and I fully agree with your comment. I'm a bit curious on why it wasn't posted 70 pages ago however.

[Tgo01]

IT HAPPENED AGAIN! TIME TO UP THE OUTRAGE!!!!

http://www.washingtontimes.com/news/2014/aug/25/critics-see-racial-double-standard-in-coverage-of-/

I'm confused how this works. Am I supposed to pretend I knew him my whole life and say he was the sweetest person I've ever known and am I supposed to pretend I was there the day he was killed and I know for a fact the cop was in the wrong?

Also am I supposed to refer to him as "kid" and "child" from here on out?

Someone help me, I'm new to "peaceful protests."

[Warriorbird]

I'm confused how this works. Am I supposed to pretend I knew him my whole life and say he was the sweetest person I've ever known and am I supposed to pretend I was there the day he was killed and I know for a fact the cop was in the wrong?

Also am I supposed to refer to him as "kid" and "child" from here on out?

Someone help me, I'm new to "peaceful protests."

Not really. You're supposed to think in the middle instead of the exact opposite.

[Tgo01]

Not really. You're supposed to think in the middle instead of the exact opposite.

Impossible! The police shot someone! Obviously the cop was wrong!

[Warriorbird]

Impossible! The police shot someone! Obviously the cop was wrong!

6, 10, or 11 shots on an unarmed perp might all be overkill. The 1st Amendment protections of the press help us maintain a free society. Then again, maybe Brown's secretly a werewolf and maybe those reporters were zombies. There's many possibilities!

[Warriorbird]

Thank goodness for Jon Stewart.

http://thedailyshow.cc.com/videos/ufqeuz/race-off

[Parkbandit]

I'm confused how this works. Am I supposed to pretend I knew him my whole life and say he was the sweetest person I've ever known and am I supposed to pretend I was there the day he was killed and I know for a fact the cop was in the wrong?

Also am I supposed to refer to him as "kid" and "child" from here on out?

Someone help me, I'm new to "peaceful protests."

1) Figure out what side you are always on, no matter what the circumstance.
2) Put frosting and sprinkles on the side you want to make look "wronged"
3) Paint the "evil" side to make it look worse.
4) Use the "racist" or "sexist" or "homophobic" or "xenophobic" terms against the "evil" side at every opportunity.
5) Don't worry about facts.. you have "justice" on your side.
6) Profit

[Hydra]

I'm not defending their comments, and I fully agree with your comment. I'm a bit curious on why it wasn't posted 70 pages ago however.

I can't tell if you think I have issue with the quotes in my post or not, which is my fault for not being clearer. I agree with the sentiment of both quotes. That if the color of the person doing the shooting or the color of the person shot were different hardly anyone here would have heard about this. And that's messed up, on multiple levels.

As to why I waited, I don't post often in the Politics Forum, though I do read many of the threads here. When I was catching up on this thread and saw Parkbandit's link. I recalled Androidpk's earlier post which, for me, expresses the issue of the media's racial double standard near perfectly. I had come across other examples of double standards in our culture earlier, which was probably the reason I felt the need to post. More of a post for my mental health then for anyone to pay attention to.

/vanish

[Ker_Thwap]

I can't tell if you think I have issue with the quotes in my post or not, which is my fault for not being clearer. I agree with the sentiment of both quotes. That if the color of the person doing the shooting or the color of the person shot were different hardly anyone here would have heard about this. And that's messed up, on multiple levels.

As to why I waited, I don't post often in the Politics Forum, though I do read many of the threads here. When I was catching up on this thread and saw Parkbandit's link. I recalled Androidpk's earlier post which, for me, expresses the issue of the media's racial double standard near perfectly. I had come across other examples of double standards in our culture earlier, which was probably the reason I felt the need to post. More of a post for my mental health then for anyone to pay attention to.

/vanish

Thanks, as I said, I was curious. You explained it well. I think most of us post here for our own mental health, or don't post for our mental health.

[Latrinsorm]

It's not racist because the victim is white.Do you ever get tired of being played by the race card card? Note the passive voice here:
As we can see in Ferguson, that allegation is being made against Officer Darren Wilson with no proof thus far and before an investigation is complete.And you eat it right up.
Thank goodness for Jon Stewart.The way he blends humor and rage is pretty unique, both for this case and in general.

[Methais]

What do you think would happen with this story if it were revealed tomorrow that Brown was a staunch republican with deep conservative beliefs and a lifetime member of the NRA and a big fan of Fox News and conservative talk radio that looked up to Rush Limbaugh as a political messiah?

[Parkbandit]

What do you think would happen with this story if it were revealed tomorrow that Brown was a staunch republican with deep conservative beliefs and a lifetime member of the NRA and a big fan of Fox News and conservative talk radio that looked up to Rush Limbaugh as a political messiah?

He got what he deserved.

[Warriorbird]

What do you think would happen with this story if it were revealed tomorrow that Brown was a staunch republican with deep conservative beliefs and a lifetime member of the NRA and a big fan of Fox News and conservative talk radio that looked up to Rush Limbaugh as a political messiah?

I'd still think shooting him 6-11 times when unarmed was probably fucked up. Many of us would be freaked out about the jailing of reporters.

I don't think it would be as big a story but I'm sure the conservative media would run hard with it and it would "catch." You all would call him a hero. The Cliven Bundy story went big and he didn't even get killed.

Obama would be blamed.

[Vorpos]

I'd still think shooting him 6-11 times when unarmed was probably fucked up. Many of us would be freaked out about the jailing of reporters.

I don't think it would be as big a story but I'm sure the conservative media would run hard with it and it would "catch." You all would call him a hero. The Cliven Bundy story went big and he didn't even get killed.

Obama would be blamed.

All of those shots probably were overkill. They should have just droned the future brain surgeon.

[Tgo01]

The UN apparently agrees with the protesters and media that you should condemn the police (and by extension the entire US) before the investigation is even over. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/30/un-police-brutality-stand-your-ground_n_5740734.html)


GENEVA, Aug 29 (Reuters) - The U.N. racism watchdog urged the United States on Friday to halt the excessive use of force by police after the fatal shooting of an unarmed black teenager by a white policeman touched off riots in Ferguson, Missouri.

Minorities, particularly African Americans, are victims of disparities, the U.N. Committee on the Elimination of Racial Discrimination (CERD) said after examining the U.S. record.

"Racial and ethnic discrimination remains a serious and persistent problem in all areas of life from de facto school segregation, access to health care and housing," Noureddine Amir, CERD committee vice chairman, told a news briefing.

Teenager Michael Brown was shot dead by a white police officer on Aug. 9, triggering violent protests that rocked Ferguson - a St. Louis suburb - and shone a global spotlight on the state of race relations in America.

"The excessive use of force by law enforcement officials against racial and ethnic minorities is an ongoing issue of concern and particularly in light of the shooting of Michael Brown," said Amir, an expert from Algeria.

"This is not an isolated event and illustrates a bigger problem in the United States, such as racial bias among law enforcement officials, the lack of proper implementation of rules and regulations governing the use of force, and the inadequacy of training of law enforcement officials."

The panel of 18 independent experts grilled a senior U.S. delegation on Aug. 13 about what they said was persistent racial discrimination against African-Americans and other minorities, including within the criminal justice system.

U.S. Ambassador Keith Harper told the panel that his nation had made "great strides toward eliminating racial discrimination" but conceded that "we have much left to do".

Ferguson Police Officer Darren Wilson, who shot Brown, has been put on paid leave and is in hiding. A St. Louis County grand jury has begun hearing evidence and the U.S. Justice Department has opened its own investigation.

Police have said Brown struggled with Wilson when shot. But some witnesses say Brown held up his hands and was surrendering when he was shot multiple times in the head and chest.

"STAND YOUR GROUND" LAWS

In its conclusions issued on Friday, the U.N. panel said "Stand Your Ground" Laws, a controversial self-defense statute in 22 U.S. states, should be reviewed to "remove far-reaching immunity and ensure strict adherence to principles of necessity and proportionality when deadly force is used for self-defense".

Ron Davis, father of Jordan Davis, a 17-year-old shot dead in a car in Jacksonville, Florida during an argument over loud rap music in November 2012, attended the Geneva session. Sybrina Fulton, mother of Trayvon Martin, an unarmed black teen killed in Miami, Florida by a neighborhood watch volunteer, testified.

The U.N. panel monitors compliance with a treaty ratified by 177 countries including the United States.

"The Committee remains concerned at the practice of racial profiling of racial or ethnic minorities by law enforcement officials, including the Federal Bureau of Investigation (FBI), Transportation Security Administration, border enforcement officials and local police," it said, urging investigations.

The experts called for addressing obstacles faced by minorities and indigenous peoples to exercise their right to vote effectively. This was due to restrictive voter identification laws, district gerrymandering and state-level laws that disenfranchise people convicted of felonies, it said.

Jamil Dakwar of the American Civil Liberties Union (ACLU) said the U.N. recommendations highlighted "shortcomings on racial equality that we are seeing play out today on our streets, at our borders and in the voting booth.

"When it comes to human rights, the United States must practice at home what it preaches abroad," he said.

[Androidpk]

It's like you and Back are cut from the same piece of cloth.

[Tgo01]

It's like you and Back are cut from the same piece of cloth.

Sorry did he already post this? I haven't really been reading many posts the past couple of days.

[Latrinsorm]

The UN apparently agrees with the protesters and media that you should condemn the police (and by extension the entire US) before the investigation is even over. (http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2014/08/30/un-police-brutality-stand-your-ground_n_5740734.html)"This is not an isolated event" thank you please drive through.

[Tgo01]

"This is not an isolated event" thank you please drive through.

Like I'm going to listen to some "expert" from Algeria about civil rights.

Ppppphhhhhbbbbbttttt.

[Parkbandit]

Imagine that........

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html

[Androidpk]

Imagine that........

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html

Pants up, don't loot!

[Warriorbird]

Imagine that........

http://www.nytimes.com/2014/10/18/us/ferguson-case-officer-is-said-to-cite-struggle.html

All about the struggle one way or another.


“What the police say is not to be taken as gospel,” Mr. Crump said, adding that Officer Wilson should be indicted by the grand jury and his case sent to trial. “He can say what he wants to say in front of a jury. They can listen to all the evidence and the people can have it transparent so they know that the system works for everybody.”

He added: “The officer’s going to say whatever he’s going to say to justify killing an unarmed kid. Right now, they have this secret proceeding where nobody knows what’s happening and nobody knows what’s going on. No matter what happened in the car, Michael Brown ran away from him.”

[waywardgs]

Cop says he did nothing wrong.

In other news, the sky is blue!

[Gelston]

Cop says he did nothing wrong.

In other news, the sky is blue!

It isn't here, buddy.

[Androidpk]

All about the struggle one way or another.

Why are you quoting Crump? The guy is an opportunistic race-baiter like Sharpton and Jackson.

[Androidpk]

Cop says he did nothing wrong.

In other news, the sky is blue!

This goes both ways you know. He was unarmed! He just wanted his tea and skittles! It was a sandwich not a gun!

[waywardgs]

This goes both ways you know. He was unarmed! He just wanted his tea and skittles! It was a sandwich not a gun!

True.