Presidential Debates 2024

[~Rocktar~]

Honestly if she actually implements right leaning proposals such as these then I am all for her being president, especially if she goes back to her prosecutor days of actually holding criminals accountable.

Be like all Democrats do, she will promise anything to get elected then go right back to screwing poor and middle class Americans as much as possible.

You mean illegally withholding evidence to keep innocent black men in prison for a profit, that kind of prosecutor?

[Methais]

How's that different than the moron who lost last election?

Ohhhh it's not. Okay.

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[Seran]

How're you all taking the orange man getting absolutely stomped by Vice President Harris?

[~Rocktar~]

How're you all taking the orange man getting absolutely stomped by Vice President Harris?

Remind me how far ahead in the polls Hillary was when she lost?

Shut the fuck up anti-Semite bigot.

[Parkbandit]

How're you all taking the orange man getting absolutely stomped by Vice President Harris?

See? THIS is the type of content I miss when sErAn is forced off the Internet until the next WIC check rolls in.

Unapologetic retardation at its finest.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/QBKagmzOgZnqadpx3B/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952sd7rjgl028x4bkcnxeuxxp6mzdk7 wx4b0s79s39v&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g

[Methais]

How're you all taking the orange man getting absolutely stomped by Vice President Harris?

Poor Seran, such *low energy now that he's all ultra depressed over Biden.


*low even by Seran's standards

[Suppressed Poet]

How're you all taking the orange man getting absolutely stomped by Vice President Harris?

Keep talking that bullshit as your anointed DEI pretender candidate gets bitch slapped out of office by the long n’ thick patriotic dick of real American voters this November.

[Suppressed Poet]

This isn’t just satire:

https://i.yourimageshare.com/V5v7AZ91n4.jpeg

[Gelston]

How're you all taking the orange man getting absolutely stomped by Vice President Harris?

Remember how yall thought Hillary was stomping Trump?

[Shaps]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Results_of_the_2020_Democratic_Party_presidential_ primaries

"2020 New Hampshire Democratic presidential primary"

"Kamala Harris (withdrawn) 129 0.04%"

Just remember... when she gets 92 million votes (they'll have to rig it so badly, they'll overshoot by 5-6 million+ to ensure Trump doesn't win)... YOU are the crazy one. Kamala is the most beloved candidate to ever run for President.

I was saying 92 million for Joe, but seeing as how Kamala has yet to receive even 1 vote for the 2024 elections... the fact she'll get 90+ million, just means you don't know how DEMOCRACY works.

[Seran]

Keep talking that bullshit as your anointed DEI pretender candidate gets bitch slapped out of office by the long n’ thick patriotic dick of real American voters this November.

First immigrants, then bluetooth enabled vaccinations, progressing to trans people, then back to immigrants, and now we're on the diversity is a threat to the our white superiority phase.

[Methais]

First immigrants, then bluetooth enabled vaccinations, progressing to trans people, then back to immigrants, and now we're on the diversity is a threat to the our white superiority phase.

There will never be anything superior about you in any context except for your current reign as retard champion, making you superior to other retards, except that actually means you're the most retarded, so you still lose and are actually inferior.

[Suppressed Poet]

First immigrants, then bluetooth enabled vaccinations, progressing to trans people, then back to immigrants, and now we're on the diversity is a threat to the our white superiority phase.

You forgot about economics, border security, and foreign policy to avoid a WW3. It really doesn’t matter to me what race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. the president is. Diversity is not a virtue if that’s all you have to campaign on.

[Methais]

You forgot about economics, border security, and foreign policy to avoid a WW3. It really doesn’t matter to me what race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. the president is. Diversity is not a virtue if that’s all you have to campaign on.

DEI = Dumbassery, Envy, Incompetence


Those just happen to also be the 3 main ingredients in leftism. And I suppose severe mental illness, but that goes without saying.

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/column-pelosi-biden-ouster-just-175527313.html

If you just listen, they'll tell you straight to your face... you don't matter to the Democrat Party. Who is fucking up "democracy" again?

"Asked about those Democrats upset at that manner of Biden's extraction from atop the November ticket, Pelosi crisply replied, "I just wanted to win this election. So if they're upset, I'm sorry for them. But the country is very happy."

As for those still-grumbling dissenters, "That's their problem," Pelosi said. "Not mine."

But keep on being fucking moron sheep for the Democrat machine... they appreciate your utter stupidity.

[Seran]

You forgot about economics, border security, and foreign policy to avoid a WW3. It really doesn’t matter to me what race, gender, sexual orientation, etc. the president is. Diversity is not a virtue if that’s all you have to campaign on.

You're right, Democrats have done far better than Republicans on economics, border security, and foreign policy too.

[beldannon5]

You're right, Democrats have done far better than Republicans on economics, border security, and foreign policy too.

You have to be the stupidest person that has ever lived.

[Parkbandit]

You're right, Democrats have done far better than Republicans on economics, border security, and foreign policy too.

No one with an IQ above 12 believes that.

[ClydeR]

How many times has Trump backed out of this particular debate? His on-again, off-again wavering indecision is a sure sign of cognitive decline. A vote for Trump is a vote for President J.D. Vance.


Former President Trump on Sunday raised questions about his participation in next month’s debate with Vice President Harris hosted by ABC News.

Trump, in a post on Truth Social, complained about the network’s panel and an interview host Jonathan Karl conducted with Sen. Tom Cotton (R-Ark.) on “This Week” to question why he should agree to do a debate hosted by the network.

More... (https://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/4847185-trump-raises-questions-abc-debate-stay-tuned/)

[Methais]

How many times has Trump backed out of this particular debate? His on-again, off-again wavering indecision is a sure sign of cognitive decline. A vote for Trump is a vote for President J.D. Vance.

Whose vote do you think you're going to change here, acting like a sheltered loser with severe mental illness who's desperate for attention 24/7?

When's Kamala gonna do an interview with anyone at all?

Stop being a stupid loser all day every day.

Set a goal to start that tomorrow, because you're already a stupid loser today.

Stupid loser.

[Suppressed Poet]

How many times has Trump backed out of this particular debate? His on-again, off-again wavering indecision is a sure sign of cognitive decline. A vote for Trump is a vote for President J.D. Vance.

How many days is Kamala going to go without a press conference and/or answering real questions? Her refusal to do anything except give the same repetitive vibe speeches without policy substance is a sure sign of her incompetence. Kamala’s handlers understandable that when she doesn’t have a teleprompter or a memorized script, she becomes burdened by what has been.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Who is running the country?

Biden just left his week-long vacation in Santa Ynez, California for Dover, Delaware, where he’ll head to Rehoboth Beach for a 9 day vacation. Since stating he dropped out of the race, 34 days ago, he’s spent just 6 days at the White House.

[Neveragain]

How many times has Trump backed out of this particular debate? His on-again, off-again wavering indecision is a sure sign of cognitive decline. A vote for Trump is a vote for President J.D. Vance.

Will the Democrat party ever allow the voters to select their candidate ever again?

I mean, I understand that you don't trust yourself to select a candidate, because you're retarded. Of course, I wouldn't trust myself either after not noticing the previous candidate I supported belonged in a nursing home facility.

[kutter]

Now Harris, after making all this noise about having agreed to the debates and wanting to force Trumps had, is trying to change the rules that had previously been agreed upon by Biden. Either the previous agreement stands, in its entirety, or it doesn't. She is looking for a way out while trying to save face. They are hoping that running the 2020 Biden playbook will work again, but they do not have a pandemic to hide behind, oh wait, what about MONKEYPOX, will they look to use that to break voting laws?

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/viq71cz.png

https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1828066149638013061


I hope this gets brought up during the debate.

[Parkbandit]

Who is running the country?

Biden just left his week-long vacation in Santa Ynez, California for Dover, Delaware, where he’ll head to Rehoboth Beach for a 9 day vacation. Since stating he dropped out of the race, 34 days ago, he’s spent just 6 days at the White House.

SPOILER: He hasn't been running the country since 2021... it's his liberal handlers.

[ClydeR]

Rehoboth Beach for a 9 day vacation.

I wonder what he's doing right now? I'm imaging him strolling on the boardwalk wearing Ray-Bans and Skechers, savoring an ice cream cone. I see people waving to him through the protective ring of Secret Service agents. The waving onlookers are thanking him for lowering gas prices and creating jobs. Is he basking in their praise? No, he can spare no attention for frivolous praise. Instead, the Chief Executive's thoughts are evenly split between the vanilla ice cream and peace in the Middle East. Those things have a lot in common. Pursuing either of them too quickly is bound to cause headaches, but opportunities will melt away if there is excessive delay. He'll need to remember that for a speech. President Eisenhower said the way to solve an unsolvable problem is to make the problem bigger. Time to double back for a second scoop.

[Parkbandit]

I wonder what he's doing right now? I'm imaging him strolling on the boardwalk wearing Ray-Bans and Skechers, savoring an ice cream cone. I see people waving to him through the protective ring of Secret Service agents. The waving onlookers are thanking him for lowering gas prices and creating jobs. Is he basking in their praise? No, he can spare no attention for frivolous praise. Instead, the Chief Executive's thoughts are evenly split between the vanilla ice cream and peace in the Middle East. Those things have a lot in common. Pursuing either of them too quickly is bound to cause headaches, but opportunities will melt away if there is excessive delay. He'll need to remember that for a speech. President Eisenhower said the way to solve an unsolvable problem is to make the problem bigger. Time to double back for a second scoop.

Holy shit.

So we should also be chastising him for raising the gas prices as well.. or is that Trump's fault?

You really are a "special" kind of man child.

[~Rocktar~]

Holy shit.

So we should also be chastising him for raising the gas prices as well.. or is that Trump's fault?

You really are a "special" kind of man child.

We really need a new term for "man child". I know it's supposed to be for someone who is legally an adult but still a child in behavior and attitude, I still think it stains the word man, especially in this case. Let's face it, there is nothing "man" about ClydeR and Seran and others who fall into this current category.

[Neveragain]

I wonder what he's doing right now? I'm imaging him strolling on the boardwalk wearing Ray-Bans and Skechers, savoring an ice cream cone. I see people waving to him through the protective ring of Secret Service agents. The waving onlookers are thanking him for lowering gas prices and creating jobs. Is he basking in their praise? No, he can spare no attention for frivolous praise. Instead, the Chief Executive's thoughts are evenly split between the vanilla ice cream and peace in the Middle East. Those things have a lot in common. Pursuing either of them too quickly is bound to cause headaches, but opportunities will melt away if there is excessive delay. He'll need to remember that for a speech. President Eisenhower said the way to solve an unsolvable problem is to make the problem bigger. Time to double back for a second scoop.

Meanwhile Trump is attending the services for the men that Biden/Harris got killed with their mishandled withdraw from Afghanistan.

[drumpel]

https://i.imgur.com/viq71cz.png

https://x.com/JackPosobiec/status/1828066149638013061


I hope this gets brought up during the debate.

I guess this video just continues to show us how shitty the dems are:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sB_T54wg9KI

[Suppressed Poet]

I wonder what he's doing right now? I'm imaging him strolling on the boardwalk wearing Ray-Bans and Skechers, savoring an ice cream cone. I see people waving to him through the protective ring of Secret Service agents. The waving onlookers are thanking him for lowering gas prices and creating jobs. Is he basking in their praise? No, he can spare no attention for frivolous praise. Instead, the Chief Executive's thoughts are evenly split between the vanilla ice cream and peace in the Middle East. Those things have a lot in common. Pursuing either of them too quickly is bound to cause headaches, but opportunities will melt away if there is excessive delay. He'll need to remember that for a speech. President Eisenhower said the way to solve an unsolvable problem is to make the problem bigger. Time to double back for a second scoop.

This is the most hilarious & wonderfully stupid thing I have read a long time. :rofl:

You have elevated yourself to retard champion. Unless Seran comes around this week to say something to reclaim his title, I say you earned it.

https://media.tenor.com/muM1gQwtdKcAAAAM/cobra-kai.gif

[Methais]

We really need a new term for "man child". I know it's supposed to be for someone who is legally an adult but still a child in behavior and attitude, I still think it stains the word man, especially in this case. Let's face it, there is nothing "man" about ClydeR and Seran and others who fall into this current category.

I'm 99% sure that ClydeR still wears a diaper and sleeps in an adult sized crib.

[Seran]

This is the most hilarious & wonderfully stupid thing I have read a long time. :rofl:

You have elevated yourself to retard champion. Unless Seran comes around this week to say something to reclaim his title, I say you earned it.

https://media.tenor.com/muM1gQwtdKcAAAAM/cobra-kai.gif

I know you miss me, but too busy volunteering to get out the vote here in my swing state. We've been partying it up like its 2020 all over again.

[Methais]

I know you miss me, but too busy volunteering to get out the vote here in my swing state. We've been partying it up like its 2020 all over again.

No you're not. You live in California. Stop being a liar.

[beldannon5]

I know you miss me, but too busy volunteering to get out the vote here in my swing state. We've been partying it up like its 2020 all over again.

what i read there is we've been paying for votes like in 2020

[Parkbandit]

I know you miss me, but too busy volunteering to get out the vote here in my swing state. We've been partying it up like its 2020 all over again.

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I'm going to call bullshit.

[Methais]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I'm going to call bullshit.

Dude literally lives in Cali and thinks that nobody remembers. :rofl:

[Suppressed Poet]

I know you miss me, but too busy volunteering to get out the vote here in my swing state. We've been partying it up like its 2020 all over again.

Keep doing that. Glad to hear you are well. I do hope we can continue to be friends when your partying ends and your crying begins this November.

[Suppressed Poet]

HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA.

I'm going to call bullshit.

In all fairness, I do remember him saying he left California because it was no longer affordable.

Then again, he also said he bags squirrels & claims Republicans are trying to block abstinence.

[Parkbandit]

In all fairness, I do remember him saying he left California because it was no longer affordable.

Then again, he also said he bags squirrels & claims Republicans are trying to block abstinence.

Being on welfare will do that in any state, let alone California.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm fairly sure Seran is a 5'4" soy boy who doesn't go outside and sports a man bun and soul patch because he thinks it's edgy.

[Methais]

In all fairness, I do remember him saying he left California because it was no longer affordable.

Then again, he also said he bags squirrels & claims Republicans are trying to block abstinence.

Cali is the biggest welfare state in the country. Seran will never leave that.

Best case, he's so stupid that even if he did leave Cali, he'd just vote for all the same shit that turned Cali into a shithole while expecting different results.

[Methais]

Kamala's trying to weasel out of the debate now :rofl:

[Neveragain]

In all fairness, I do remember him saying he left California because it was no longer affordable.

Then again, he also said he bags squirrels & claims Republicans are trying to block abstinence.

Having Seran going door to door for the Democrats is sure to gain some Republican votes.

[Neveragain]

Kamala's trying to weasel out of the debate now :rofl:

She wants to use notes...

She is the perfect candidate for the "everyone gets a trophy" generation.

[Methais]

Having Seran going door to door for the Democrats is sure to gain some Republican votes.

Seran would break his hand just knocking on the door.

[Methais]

She wants to use notes...

She is the perfect candidate for the "everyone gets a trophy" generation.

Now she's flip flopping and is pretending to be pro-wall :rofl:


Harris flip-flops on building the border wall

If she's elected president, Kamala Harris pledges to spend hundreds of millions of dollars on the wall along the southern border — a project she once opposed and called "un-American" during the Trump administration.

More... (https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall)

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall

[Neveragain]

Now she's flip flopping and is pretending to be pro-wall :rofl:



https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall

I think the wall that Kamala wants to build is not meant to keep people out.

[Parkbandit]

Now she's flip flopping and is pretending to be pro-wall :rofl:

https://www.axios.com/2024/08/27/kamala-harris-flip-flops-border-wall

They have got to hide her as much as possible. Total media blackout. No debates, no unscripted or live interviews.. keep her in the basement with Joe until election day or she stands zero chance.

And Democrats will all be like
https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif

As the media helps hide this travesty of a candidate.. just so they can say we had a black woman President and believe that is accomplishment enough.

[Neveragain]

a candidate

Until Democrats openly admit that they hate American democracy, she is not a candidate.

[Methais]

They have got to hide her as much as possible. Total media blackout. No debates, no unscripted or live interviews.. keep her in the basement with Joe until election day or she stands zero chance.

And Democrats will all be like
https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif

As the media helps hide this travesty of a candidate.. just so they can say we had a black woman President and believe that is accomplishment enough.

How long before Seran and ClydeRetard become pro-wall though?

[ClydeR]

Now she's flip flopping and is pretending to be pro-wall

The bill Harris says she would sign was a bipartisan compromise. Her support for the bill as a whole does not mean that she enthusiastic about each and every element of the bill. Do you believe that Trump's vocal opposition the bill means that he opposes every element of the bill? By your logic, Trump flip flopped on the border wall by opposing this bill.

[drumpel]

They have got to hide her as much as possible. Total media blackout. No debates, no unscripted or live interviews.. keep her in the basement with Joe until election day or she stands zero chance.

And Democrats will all be like
https://themariaantoinette.com/wp-content/uploads/2017/01/black-woman-clapping-the-maria-antoinette.gif

As the media helps hide this travesty of a candidate.. just so they can say we had a black woman President and believe that is accomplishment enough.

....but, she's not black unless she's talking to black skinned people.

[Parkbandit]

The bill Harris says she would sign was a bipartisan compromise. Her support for the bill as a whole does not mean that she enthusiastic about each and every element of the bill. Do you believe that Trump's vocal opposition the bill means that he opposes every element of the bill? By your logic, Trump flip flopped on the border wall by opposing this bill.

You're retarded.. thank you for stepping down your retard game while sErAn is probably being forced to shovel his feces out of his mom's basement.

Biden didn't need any bipartisan bill to put an end to the crisis at the southern border... as evidenced by the EOs he did in office the first week which created the crisis.. and the EOs he did earlier this year when it was election time.

Stop believing everything MSNBC forces down your wide open mouth from the "teevee" you fucking dipshit.

[Suppressed Poet]

The bill Harris says she would sign was a bipartisan compromise. Her support for the bill as a whole does not mean that she enthusiastic about each and every element of the bill. Do you believe that Trump's vocal opposition the bill means that he opposes every element of the bill? By your logic, Trump flip flopped on the border wall by opposing this bill.

Should we go down the list of all the positions Kamala has supposedly flip flopped since 2020? Ban fracking? Medicare for all? Universal Basic Income? Open borders? Defund the police? Gun confiscation?

I’d love for Commie Kamala to answer why she is campaigning to be so different on policy today vs 4 years ago. Too bad she doesn’t take questions…

[Parkbandit]

Should we go down the list of all the positions Kamala has supposedly flip flopped since 2020? Ban fracking? Medicare for all? Universal Basic Income? Open borders? Defund the police? Gun confiscation?

I’d love for Commie Kamala to answer why she is campaigning to be so different on policy today vs 4 years ago. Too bad she doesn’t take questions…

"BUT SHE'S GOING TO DO AN "UNSCRIPTED" INTERVIEW FOR CNN THAT WON'T BE LIVE BUT IT'S THE NEXT BEST THING! IT'S NOT LIKE CNN IS IN THE TANK FOR KAMALA OR AGAINST TRUMP IN ANY WAY EVER!" -sErAn and cLyDeR probably

[Methais]

Hey ClydeRetard, what do you think about taxing unrealized gains?

https://i.imgur.com/McngVSw.png
https://x.com/wallstreetbets/status/1828837558111088905

[Neveragain]

what do you think about taxing unrealized gains?

For the life of me, I can't wrap my brain around this idea....

Doesn't this mean they would be taxing 401k's?

Which would basically diminish the reasoning for having a 401k...

Do you get money back from the Government if you have unrealized losses?

Do Democrats even understand this discourages people from investing?

https://media.tenor.com/KW0jLAbZd58AAAAM/headache-al-bundy.gif

[Tgo01]

All we need now is a wealth tax and the government will own pretty much everything and yet still somehow they will be spending trillions dollars more every year than they take in from taxes.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

For the life of me, I can't wrap my brain around this idea....

Doesn't this mean they would be taxing 401k's?

Which would basically diminish the reasoning for having a 401k...

Do you get money back from the Government if you have unrealized losses?

Do Democrats even understand this discourages people from investing?

https://media.tenor.com/KW0jLAbZd58AAAAM/headache-al-bundy.gif

and discourages them from saving period. Anyone with enough money will figure out the loopholes and/or move, leaving us a destitute country like Venezuela. What a dumb cunt.

[~Rocktar~]

All we need now is a wealth tax and the government will own pretty much everything and yet still somehow they will be spending trillions dollars more every year than they take in from taxes.

Buying votes with entitlements isn't cheap. Got to pay those downtrodden masses to vote Democrat after all.

[ClydeR]

Hey ClydeRetard, what do you think about taxing unrealized gains?

I assume that is a reference to Biden's 2025 budget, as summarized below. Harris, as Biden's VP, has said that she supports the Biden budget. A proposal in that budget is a tax of 25% of unrealized gains of taxpayers whose wealth exceeds $100 million.


Requires Billionaires to Pay at Least 25 Percent of Income in Taxes. Billionaires make their money in ways that are often taxed at lower rates than ordinary wage income, or sometimes not taxed at all, thanks to giant loopholes and tax preferences that disproportionately benefit the wealthiest taxpayers. As a result, many of these wealthy Americans are able to pay an average income tax rate of just 8 percent on their full incomes—a lower rate than many firefighters or teachers. To finally address this glaring inequity, the President’s Budget includes a 25 percent minimum tax on the wealthiest 0.01 percent, those with wealth of more than $100 million.

More... (https://www.whitehouse.gov/briefing-room/statements-releases/2024/03/11/fact-sheet-the-presidents-budget-for-fiscal-year-2025/)

[Neveragain]

and discourages them from saving period. Anyone with enough money will figure out the loopholes and/or move, leaving us a destitute country like Venezuela. What a dumb cunt.

How many years of free labor would it take to pay the 35 trillion debt?

Of course that's after we confiscate all the 750 US billionaires wealth. (America's billionaires are now collectively worth a record $6 trillion.)

So, 29 trillion in debt, how much slave labor would it take to produce the GDP to pay off the 29 trillion? :lol:

[Neveragain]

I assume that is a reference to Biden's 2025 budget, as summarized below. Harris, as Biden's VP, has said that she supports the Biden budget. A proposal in that budget is a tax of 25% of unrealized gains of taxpayers whose wealth exceeds $100 million.

So, when the people with over 100 million sell off their assets to pay the unrealized gains, the poors 401k will be blown up before they go home at the end of the workday.

The poors don't get to trade stock while they are out swinging hammers and assembling automobiles.

How many jobs get lost after the biggest stock selloff in US history?

How many deaths will be caused by the unemployment?
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC1448606/

[Methais]

I assume that is a reference to Biden's 2025 budget, as summarized below. Harris, as Biden's VP, has said that she supports the Biden budget. A proposal in that budget is a tax of 25% of unrealized gains of taxpayers whose wealth exceeds $100 million.

That's fantastic. I asked what you think about it you fucking dumbass.

[ClydeR]

So, 29 trillion in debt, how much slave labor would it take to produce the GDP to pay off the 29 trillion? :lol:

Three.

[ClydeR]

That's fantastic. I asked what you think about it you fucking dumbass.

I think people with $100 million should not pay a lower tax rate than schoolteachers.

[ClydeR]

So, when the people with over 100 million sell off their assets to pay the unrealized gains, the poors 401k will be blown up before they go home at the end of the workday.

You're thinking about it the wrong way, which is why you will never have to pay this particular tax. A decline is stock prices is a buying opportunity.


The poors don't get to trade stock while they are out swinging hammers and assembling automobiles.

"Trading" stock is not the way to accumulate wealth.


How many jobs get lost after the biggest stock selloff in US history?

Negative 10 million.


How many deaths will be caused by the unemployment?

Zero.

[~Rocktar~]

I think people with $100 million should not pay a lower tax rate than schoolteachers.

Capitol gains taxes are flat rate so schoolteachers pay the same capitol gains as billionaires you retard.

[ClydeR]

Capitol gains taxes are flat rate so schoolteachers pay the same capitol gains as billionaires you retard.

The point is that billionaires are able to restructure their activities so that more of their income is in the form of capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate than salary income.

And capital gains are not taxed at a flat rate. The federal capital gains tax has three rates. The top rate of 20% applies only to taxpayers whose incomes, including capital gains, exceed $500,000. It's actually a bit above $500,000, but I don't want to look it up. Only after that income level does the rate become flat.

[Neveragain]

The point is that billionaires are able to restructure their activities

Why is government unable to restructure it's activities so they don't have to steal peoples money?

https://media3.giphy.com/media/kGCuRgmbnO9EI/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

The point is that billionaires are able to restructure their activities so that more of their income is in the form of capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate than salary income.

And capital gains are not taxed at a flat rate. The federal capital gains tax has three rates. The top rate of 20% applies only to taxpayers whose incomes, including capital gains, exceed $500,000. It's actually a bit above $500,000, but I don't want to look it up. Only after that income level does the rate become flat.

The point is, you and all the Leftist pieces of shit are greedy, selfish, envious people who can't stand that your lives suck because of your own bad decisions. You arrogantly think you can manage other people's money better than they do. You want to return to a middle ages percent net value tax and despite your protestations, it will again hurt the poor more than anyone else. The "Rich" pay the majority of income tax, the majority of other taxes and yet, it's not enough because an average of 48% of people's gross income isn't enough in taxes, you want more.

Fuck off.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I think people with $100 million should not pay a lower tax rate than schoolteachers.

Why?

What about a schoolteacher, who in their lifetime, became worth $100 million?
What about BLM?
What about Roth IRAs?
What if you tax their unearned gains Dec 31st, and the first week of January the market bottoms out and 100% of the unearned gains is completely gone.
What if I have 200 million in unearned gains and only make 50k a year? How would I pay the taxes?

If you say fair share, you've already lost the argument.

[Parkbandit]

Why?

What about a schoolteacher, who in their lifetime, became worth $100 million?
What about BLM?
What about Roth IRAs?
What if you tax their unearned gains Dec 31st, and the first week of January the market bottoms out and 100% of the unearned gains is completely gone.
What if I have 200 million in unearned gains and only make 50k a year? How would I pay the taxes?

If you say fair share, you've already lost the argument.

He already lost the argument when he had to say "tax rate"...

SPOILER: 20% of $100,000,000.00 is much more than 20% of $60,000.00

Taxing unrealized gains at any income level is one of the dumbest ideas yet to come out of the Democrat party.

It's even dumber than Berkshire Hathaway's CEO saying he loves paying taxes and he wrote a tax check to the US government for 5 billion dollars.. and if 800 other companies did this.. they wouldn't have to tax the citizens!

What he didn't mention is that BH has an annual revenue of 400 billion dollars.. #6 in the world... and there isn't 799 other companies that have that type of revenue stream... or that 800 x 5 billion is only 4 trillion.. which would still produce a deficit of 2.13 trillion dollars with a Democrat in office as President....

But you still have the sErAn's and cLyDeR's of the world going:

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[Methais]

The point is that billionaires are able to restructure their activities so that more of their income is in the form of capital gains, which are taxed at a lower rate than salary income.

And capital gains are not taxed at a flat rate. The federal capital gains tax has three rates. The top rate of 20% applies only to taxpayers whose incomes, including capital gains, exceed $500,000. It's actually a bit above $500,000, but I don't want to look it up. Only after that income level does the rate become flat.

Do you work for a living and/or own anything of value?

Gonna assume "NO" to both questions. Because just look at you.

[Suppressed Poet]

I think people with $100 million should not pay a lower tax rate than schoolteachers.

I think people should pay an equal federal income tax rate, regardless of how much they earn in income, with little to no exemptions. When we all suffer the same tax rate burden together, we will naturally unify to demand our government stop wasting our money.

[Shaps]

I think people should pay an equal federal income tax rate, regardless of how much they earn in income, with little to no exemptions. When we all suffer the same tax rate burden together, we will naturally unify to demand our government stop wasting our money.

100%.

The Federal Tax rate should be a flat 18% for each and every person... No tricks, no gimmicks, go out and make as much as you can in your lifetime for you and your family - knowing you will only ever pay 18%.

There should be a Federal Tax rate of 3% on all "luxury goods" purchased (ie. jewelry, electronics, etc.) - no food, car, housing, maintenance stuff - that would be a flat %. If you earn more, you'll buy more things, which means you'll "pay more" overall - but you're not hiding anything from the people in hidden taxes.

State Taxes should be left to the States. People can make up their minds where they would like to live, what they would like to pay, and what services are provided by the State they chose... This is why we are a Republic... People should have choices of their local governance.

Lastly, the Federal Government should only convene twice a year - 3 months each period, on a "military base" style compound for them all to stay at (ie. a Fort Myers)... Individual rooms, etc... but they all are together to do the work of the People... - to amend/vote/produce Federal regulations. The remainder of the time, those officials should have to live in the Districts they represent... living by, with, and under the laws they, themselves, pass.

Will this ever happen? No.

Would this be fair? Yes.

Are the majority of people morons? Absolutely.

[Parkbandit]

I think people should pay an equal federal income tax rate, regardless of how much they earn in income, with little to no exemptions. When we all suffer the same tax rate burden together, we will naturally unify to demand our government stop wasting our money.

This is something both parties want to avoid at all costs.

[Gelston]

I think people should pay an equal federal income tax rate, regardless of how much they earn in income, with little to no exemptions. When we all suffer the same tax rate burden together, we will naturally unify to demand our government stop wasting our money.

I used to think that, but there are a few things. Say the tax rate was flat 20% across the board. You have one guy making 30k a year, another guy making 1 million a year, yeah, that guy making a million is paying a lot more, but who cares, he still has 800k a year after that. That tax rate hurts that guy making 30k a lot more.

[Suppressed Poet]

This is something both parties want to avoid at all costs.

Facts.

Also it’s easy to keep us divided when retards like ClydeR believe that wealthy people owe him something and that it is morally justified to steal from them. What baffles me is the DNC sold luxury suites at the Chicago convention that STARTED at $500k. He thinks those rich people donating to that much to the Democrat party are doing so to get taxed more and receive more strict regulations & government oversight on their business?
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[Suppressed Poet]

I used to think that, but there are a few things. Say the tax rate was flat 20% across the board. You have one guy making 30k a year, another guy making 1 million a year, yeah, that guy making a million is paying a lot more, but who cares, he still has 800k a year after that. That tax rate hurts that guy making 30k a lot more.

The guy making $30k a year is struggling regardless of paying 20% tax or not, and needs to find better employment to earn more.

I’m not saying it’s perfect, but the progressive tax system is worse. We know that super rich don’t actually pay the higher tax rate today. There are exemptions and loopholes. Rich people have the means and motivation to exploit those exemptions. On the other end, the reality is that most poor people receive much more in benefits vs. the little they pay in taxes. The real tax burden falls on the middle class which continues to shrink. We’ve created a tax system that encourages division & class warfare, and it’s the middle class that suffers the most.

[Shaps]

I used to think that, but there are a few things. Say the tax rate was flat 20% across the board. You have one guy making 30k a year, another guy making 1 million a year, yeah, that guy making a million is paying a lot more, but who cares, he still has 800k a year after that. That tax rate hurts that guy making 30k a lot more.

I fully understand where you are coming from with this, but each and every person should pay in. A flat tax (why I went with 18%, not higher, and the # could be worked out by the accountants) is across the board.

Only making 30k? Go make more, but you're still going to pay.

Making 1 mil+? Go make more, but you're still going to pay.

The idea being (and yes there would be growing pains), the Government is not taking more from one person or the other. The Government is getting out of the way of people earning, and wanting to earn more for themselves and their family.

Just because someone makes less, which sucks, doesn't exempt them from their "societal responsibilities"... just as with someone making more, shouldn't be "stolen from" simply because they are earning more.

Transparent, no gimmicks, and no administrative state stepping on people year after year... In the long run, IMO, better.

Course I'm open to debate.

[Gelston]

The guy making $30k a year is struggling regardless of paying 20% tax or not, and needs to find better employment to earn more.

I’m not saying it’s perfect, but the progressive tax system is worse. We know that super rich don’t actually pay the higher tax rate today. There are exemptions and loopholes. Rich people have the means and motivation to exploit those exemptions. On the other end, the reality is that most poor people receive much more in benefits vs. the little they pay in taxes. The real tax burden falls on the middle class which continues to shrink. We’ve created a tax system that encourages division & class warfare, and it’s the middle class that suffers the most.

I'm sure they'd like to, but there are always going to be low paying jobs and some people will always be stuck in them. Every job can't be a winner. That said, I am not against something existing as a sort of an adjusted flat tax. Maybe graduated tax rates up to the median salary, and then a flat tax on all pay after that. So, low taxes on the first 45k (which is the median in the US), and then flat on everything after.

[Gelston]

I fully understand where you are coming from with this, but each and every person should pay in. A flat tax (why I went with 18%, not higher, and the # could be worked out by the accountants) is across the board.

Only making 30k? Go make more, but you're still going to pay.

Making 1 mil+? Go make more, but you're still going to pay.

The idea being (and yes there would be growing pains), the Government is not taking more from one person or the other. The Government is getting out of the way of people earning, and wanting to earn more for themselves and their family.

Just because someone makes less, which sucks, doesn't exempt them from their "societal responsibilities"... just as with someone making more, shouldn't be "stolen from" simply because they are earning more.

Transparent, no gimmicks, and no administrative state stepping on people year after year... In the long run, IMO, better.

Course I'm open to debate.

You aren't getting any taxes if the person can't survive.

Quite frankly, I'd also be cool with completely dropping all income taxes and sticking it all into sales taxes. Low as fuck on food and essentials, but more on everything else.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm sure they'd like to, but there are always going to be low paying jobs and some people will always be stuck in them. Every job can't be a winner. That said, I am not against something existing as a sort of an adjusted flat tax. Maybe graduated tax rates up to the median salary, and then a flat tax on all pay after that. So, low taxes on the first 45k (which is the median in the US), and then flat on everything after.

Agreed on the low paying jobs part. Please don’t take what I say as disparaging poor people. I’m just saying that it sucks to make $30k no matter what they pay in taxes.

On your progressive tax model up to $45k or so and then a flat tax rate after that (removing exemptions), I find that to be an amicable compromise. Sounds good to me.

Edit: The point being that after reaching the income level that exceeds the line of poverty, everyone pays the same rate together.

[Shaps]

You aren't getting any taxes if the person can't survive.

Quite frankly, I'd also be cool with completely dropping all income taxes and sticking it all into sales taxes. Low as fuck on food and essentials, but more on everything else.

I'm open to suggestions definitely.

I'd be okay with a VAT tax style system 100%, if we were a smaller country. Due to just geographic, world involvement, and baseline standard of living currently in the Country... I'm not sure a VAT would resolve it all.

I also recommended a 3% "luxury tax" (ie. a VAT Tax), on top of the standard Federal Rate.

Maybe flip it... so we go with a say, 9% Federal Tax rate that all pay into... and a 15% VAT tax on luxury goods?

I could see maybe the "luxury tax" only applying if over a certain % of income per year?

Mainly, my overarching concept is to ensure everyone pays in at the Federal Level... for "shared federal responsibilities" that everyone benefits from... Though this would also require slashing 50% of the Federal Government, as I think they have their hands in too many pies as is... ie. National Defense, Federal Highway System, Judicial responsibilities with certain aspects to ensure even business practices, etc.... Besides that, 75% of things should be handled at the State level IMO.

I think you and I are sort of working towards a common "theme", though the details are where things have to be hashed out. And I'm all for differing ideas and concepts.

[kutter]

I look at Norway and Sweden, two countries the left lauds as socialist even though their respective leaders have come out and clearly stated they are capitalist with heavy social programs. Now i forget which is which but one of those countries taxes start at 22% and the other I believe is 32% and EVERYONE pays those rates to start. Then they have additional taxes on higher earners. Frankly I think we need a flat 15-18%, do your taxes on a postcard, and abolish the IRS, but that will never happen.

The main reason I want it is because unless you have skin in the game, ie. actually paying for the government instead of paying nothing and in a lot of cases actually getting money back they never put in, they could care less how much money the federal government spends since it will never impact them, that is until the whole house of cards collapses and it does.

[Gelston]

I look at Norway and Sweden, two countries the left lauds as socialist even though their respective leaders have come out and clearly stated they are capitalist with heavy social programs. Now i forget which is which but one of those countries taxes start at 22% and the other I believe is 32% and EVERYONE pays those rates to start. Then they have additional taxes on higher earners. Frankly I think we need a flat 15-18%, do your taxes on a postcard, and abolish the IRS, but that will never happen.

The main reason I want it is because unless you have skin in the game, ie. actually paying for the government instead of paying nothing and in a lot of cases actually getting money back they never put in, they could care less how much money the federal government spends since it will never impact them, that is until the whole house of cards collapses and it does.

Norway is starting a universal basic income this year, 22k a person per year. That basically abolishes the lower income tax rate.

[Neveragain]

Norway is starting a universal basic income this year, 22k a person per year. That basically abolishes the lower income tax rate.

Norway has 5.5 million citizens with a homogenized economy.

We 350 million citizens where 22k will pay rent for a closet in some areas and 2 bedroom apartment in others.

If everyone is given 22k, 22k = 0.

[Parkbandit]

I look at Norway and Sweden, two countries the left lauds as socialist even though their respective leaders have come out and clearly stated they are capitalist with heavy social programs. Now i forget which is which but one of those countries taxes start at 22% and the other I believe is 32% and EVERYONE pays those rates to start. Then they have additional taxes on higher earners. Frankly I think we need a flat 15-18%, do your taxes on a postcard, and abolish the IRS, but that will never happen.

The main reason I want it is because unless you have skin in the game, ie. actually paying for the government instead of paying nothing and in a lot of cases actually getting money back they never put in, they could care less how much money the federal government spends since it will never impact them, that is until the whole house of cards collapses and it does.

Add to that the money they save relying on the US for it's defense.

[~Rocktar~]

Add to that the money they save relying on the US for it's defense.

All of Europe's social support system would collapse if they actually had to pay the real cost of their defense. European healthcare is subsidized by US military spending. The up side is that American troops and companies got the most of that money. The down side is ignorant dumbasses look at it and claim that we should have that too. Well, we might could if they paid their fair share in the world of defense spending.

[Gelston]

The up side is that American troops ... got the most of that money.

wut

[~Rocktar~]

wut

American defense spending goes primarily to US company's that sell weapons and to troop pay. Or are you unaware of who gets those multi trillion defense spending projects? Percentage wise, not a lot of it goes to foreign companies and the cash paid to rent bases and pay locals is a also a small percentage compared to the other spending. So yeah, math is a thing. Why the fuck else would defense companies be spending loads on lobbying and bribes to get those contracts?

[Gelston]

American defense spending goes primarily to US company's that sell weapons and to troop pay. Or are you unaware of who gets those multi trillion defense spending projects? Percentage wise, not a lot of it goes to foreign companies and the cash paid to rent bases and pay locals is a also a small percentage compared to the other spending. So yeah, math is a thing. Why the fuck else would defense companies be spending loads on lobbying and bribes to get those contracts?

Troop pay is not the majority of that money. It is a quarter of it at most. Notice I left out the "companies" part because I wasn't addressing that.

[Neveragain]

Troop pay is not the majority of that money. It is a quarter of it at most. Notice I left out the "companies" part because I wasn't addressing that.

I grew up being encouraged by my parents to think that the military was a wise life path option once out of high school, I instilled that same idea with my children. Today, there is no way I would encourage my grandchildren to join the military.

I think when my daughter was considering joining the NAVY her starting salary would have been like...24k? :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=C9ZFFaTScBs

[~Rocktar~]

American defense spending goes primarily to US company's that sell weapons and to troop pay. . .



Troop pay is not the majority of that money. It is a quarter of it at most. Notice I left out the "companies" part because I wasn't addressing that.

Emphasis added for the reading comprehension impaired. And assuming that troop pay is say, 1/6th of the defense budget, it is still a LOT more than we pay to rent bases, pay foreigners and for defense contracts to foreign companies. But you keep failing at reading.

[Gelston]

Emphasis added for the reading comprehension impaired. And assuming that troop pay is say, 1/6th of the defense budget, it is still a LOT more than we pay to rent bases, pay foreigners and for defense contracts to foreign companies. But you keep failing at reading.

Emphasis on I didn't include companies. I don't give a fuck about your and.

[~Rocktar~]

Emphasis on I didn't include companies. I don't give a fuck about your and.

Translation: I didn't read before I spouted off and I am trying to move the goal posts to try and not sound retarded.

Hint: You failed.

[Shaps]

When I served, call me a geek or whatever... I actually believed in the principles and concepts that we operated under.

Was I naive? Yes.

Did it matter when I was actually serving? No.

Would I recommend anyone willingly serve the Country with the current political and social climate? Hell no.

Principles, norms, and respect are out the fucking window. Common sense is vilified. Our "elected leaders" have absolutely zero care for anything other than retaining power.

The US is done, it's just deciding to die slowly.

[Gelston]

Translation: I didn't read before I spouted off and I am trying to move the goal posts to try and not sound retarded.

Hint: You failed.

No, you specifically see where I put ... instead of having companies in the quote. Maybe you didn't read before you went full retard, but that is to be expected. I never one time, in any of the posts, denied that companies didn't make money from the DoD blasting funding around different regions. That isn't the area I was discussing, that is why I left it out. YOU kept trying to interject it back in.

The troops, on the other hand, are generally kept paid to keep up with inflation. A higher budget or a lower budget wouldn't change that much.

[Parkbandit]

I can't imagine that this debate still goes on. Harris needs to come down with Covid or Trump needs to be taken out.

Trump didn't help himself yesterday, saying if he's elected, he wants to audit the entire federal government with Musk leading the commission?

JFK said he was going to take a looksie at the CIA and dissolve it after the Bay of Pig fiasco .. and look how that ended up? Trump said he wants to audit the entire federal government to look where all the money is being spent?

That's a gigantic bullseye you just painted on yourself.

[Methais]

I can't imagine that this debate still goes on. Harris needs to come down with Covid or Trump needs to be taken out.

Trump didn't help himself yesterday, saying if he's elected, he wants to audit the entire federal government with Musk leading the commission?

JFK said he was going to take a looksie at the CIA and dissolve it after the Bay of Pig fiasco .. and look how that ended up? Trump said he wants to audit the entire federal government to look where all the money is being spent?

That's a gigantic bullseye you just painted on yourself.

He's already had the bullseye painted on him and probably figures since they already shot him once, he might as well go all out from here.

[ClydeR]

Taking stock of the latest polls, I see this interesting poll from Texas. The latest poll from Texas (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/texas/) shows Trump leading Harris by just 3 points. In the Texas Senate (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/texas/) race, Cruz leads Allred by 4 points. Am I the only one shocked by that result? Although this is the most recent and closest poll, other pollsters have shown an increasingly narrowing lead for Trump in Texas over the past few weeks.

[Suppressed Poet]

Taking stock of the latest polls, I see this interesting poll from Texas. The latest poll from Texas (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/texas/) shows Trump leading Harris by just 3 points. In the Texas Senate (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/texas/) race, Cruz leads Allred by 4 points. Am I the only one shocked by that result? Although this is the most recent and closest poll, other pollsters have shown an increasingly narrowing lead for Trump in Texas over the past few weeks.

Every 4 years people ask if Texas is becoming a purple state. The answer is still no. Conservative minded people have better things to do than to waste their time with media polls. Those hippie fags down in Austin don’t run shit in my state.

Edit: Colin Allred was my rep in Dallas before they redrew the map. Fuck that guy.

[Methais]

Taking stock of the latest polls, I see this interesting poll from Texas. The latest poll from Texas (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/texas/) shows Trump leading Harris by just 3 points. In the Texas Senate (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/texas/) race, Cruz leads Allred by 4 points. Am I the only one shocked by that result? Although this is the most recent and closest poll, other pollsters have shown an increasingly narrowing lead for Trump in Texas over the past few weeks.

I'm just glad you're catching on and realized that this didn't need its own thread.

Good job retard, you might be .00000000000000000001% less retarded today than you were yesterday.

[Parkbandit]

Taking stock of the latest polls, I see this interesting poll from Texas. The latest poll from Texas (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/texas/) shows Trump leading Harris by just 3 points. In the Texas Senate (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/texas/) race, Cruz leads Allred by 4 points. Am I the only one shocked by that result? Although this is the most recent and closest poll, other pollsters have shown an increasingly narrowing lead for Trump in Texas over the past few weeks.

Yes, you are the only one shocked.

Because you still believe polling.. which is monumentally retarded.

[~Rocktar~]

No, you specifically see where I put ... instead of having companies in the quote. Maybe you didn't read before you went full retard, but that is to be expected. I never one time, in any of the posts, denied that companies didn't make money from the DoD blasting funding around different regions. That isn't the area I was discussing, that is why I left it out. YOU kept trying to interject it back in.

The troops, on the other hand, are generally kept paid to keep up with inflation. A higher budget or a lower budget wouldn't change that much.

copium . . .

[ClydeR]

Trump implies that candidate height should be a relevant consideration for voters..


No boxes or artificial lifts will be allowed to stand on during my upcoming debate with Comrade Kamala Harris. We had this out previously with former NYC Mayor Michael Bloomberg when he was in a debate, and he was not allowed a “lift.” It would be a form of cheating, and the Democrats cheat enough. “You are who you are,” it was determined!

[Methais]

Trump implies that candidate height should be a relevant consideration for voters..

Remember when you retards went nuts over Ron DeSantis's boots that made him look taller?

[Parkbandit]

Remember when you retards went nuts over Ron DeSantis's boots that made him look taller?

"THAT WUZ DIFFRENT THOU!"

I love the TDS infected cLyDeR and him not having to pretend he's someone he's not.

[Tgo01]

I love the TDS infected cLyDeR and him not having to pretend he's someone he's not.

It really is wild. Like why not just post on his main account at this point?

To be fair maybe he really is following Stephen Colbert's career to a T.

Stephen Colbert is a far leftist who got his career by pretending to be a far rightie, which is what Clyder did.

Stephen Colbert has now taken the mask completely off and is such an unhinged leftist lunatic that he literally sings and dances on his show to promote Pfizer's vaccine, and now Clyder whores himself out just like Stephen Colbert does, but Clyder does it for free.

[ClydeR]

Taking stock of the latest polls, I see this interesting poll from Texas. The latest poll from Texas (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/president-general/2024/texas/) shows Trump leading Harris by just 3 points. In the Texas Senate (https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/polls/senate/2024/texas/) race, Cruz leads Allred by 4 points. Am I the only one shocked by that result? Although this is the most recent and closest poll, other pollsters have shown an increasingly narrowing lead for Trump in Texas over the past few weeks.



This sort of thing could be why Texas is turning purple..


Texas has sued the Biden administration to try to block a federal rule that shields the medical records of women from criminal investigations if they cross state lines to seek abortion where it is legal.

More... (https://news.yahoo.com/news/texas-sues-stop-rule-shields-175357753.html)

I wonder if the Texas AG is secretly a Harris supporter?

[Parkbandit]

This sort of thing could be why Texas is turning purple..

I wonder if the Texas AG is secretly a Harris supporter?

"OMG TEXAS IS TURNING PURPLE!" has been talked about by weirdos like you with purple hair since 2000.

It still hasn't.

Win a statewide election first.. then talk about how ZOMG THIS is the year it's turning purple!

[Methais]

This sort of thing could be why Texas is turning purple..



I wonder if the Texas AG is secretly a Harris supporter?


1 million Texans have been removed from voting rolls ahead of Nov. 5 elections (https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/08/30/1-million-texans-have-been-removed-from-voting-rolls-ahead-of-nov-5-elections/)


Abbott said that over 6,500 noncitizens were removed from voter rolls ahead of Election Day on Nov. 5.

RELATED: Harris County voter outreach proposal sparks another fight with Texas Republicans

In addition, over 6,000 voters who have felonies were removed, over 457,000 deceased people, over 463,000 voters on the suspense list, over 134,000 voters who responded to an address [B]confirmation that they had moved, over 65,000 voters who failed to respond to a notice of examination and over 19,000 voters who requested to cancel their registration.

https://www.click2houston.com/news/local/2024/08/30/1-million-texans-have-been-removed-from-voting-rolls-ahead-of-nov-5-elections/


https://i.imgur.com/F8n2okr.gif


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qCMHGmwgYyI

[ClydeR]

I wonder if the Texas AG is secretly a Harris supporter?




This ad is running right now in response to states attempting to restrict women from leaving the state while pregnant..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FGIyxhGkvo
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3FGIyxhGkvo

[ClydeR]

It didn't take long for Trump to lose his temper.

[Furryrat]

He should be angry defending States rights against an Imperialist overlord. Well done thus far, minus the immigration crap into every retort.

[ClydeR]

Trump keeps taking the bait. He used to be too smart for that.

He even said immigrants are eating people's cats. He failed to mention mini pigs.

[~Rocktar~]

She thinks that Dick and Liz Cheney are good names to mention?

[Furryrat]

Their approach was to antagonize Trump into being antagonized Trump and then literally take Trump policy. She actually just stated a pro-US oil policy, one which anyone who hears it should realize its an outright lie to purvey votes.

[ClydeR]

Trump is losing so badly that he is now asking Harris to end the debate early.

[Furryrat]

Fake news, it's been a shit show, and that much is clear. I'm sure both sides are making a fortune and would never want to end it early.

[~Rocktar~]

If she is so great about disliking Hamas and Iranian threats, why did they hand over cash to them?

[Furryrat]

The billions only went to humanitarian* efforts!

*at the Ayatollah's discretion.

[ClydeR]

So far, this debate shows the value of preparation. Harris clearly prepared, including having a list of points designed to enrage Trump. She has delivered those points effectively. Trump is just riffing like at his rallies. It is not effective in this context, and his lack of preparation is obvious.

[Furryrat]

Overall I don't think this went well. Trump was far too emotional, far too influenced by the baiting of the questioning. Harris was not much better, but she played the typical opposition card well.

Personally, I'm highly disappointed that the real economics facing everyday peoples weren't in focus.

If the Trump tax cuts are allowed to expire, I face a 7% higher tax rate than I pay now.

If the state and local tax deduction cap (SALT) is allowed to expire, my tax burden increases exponentially versus my per capita usage vs big money coastal states.

I didn't hear what I wanted to hear.

[ClydeR]

Remember how Trump kept saying for his 4-year term that he would announce his health care plan in two weeks? He just said he would announce it in the "very near future." He said he has "concepts" for a plan but refused to describe them. Isn't it finally time?

[~Rocktar~]

Overall I don't think this went well. Trump was far too emotional, far too influenced by the baiting of the questioning. Harris was not much better, but she played the typical opposition card well.

Personally, I'm highly disappointed that the real economics facing everyday peoples weren't in focus.

If the Trump tax cuts are allowed to expire, I face a 7% higher tax rate than I pay now.

If the state and local tax deduction cap (SALT) is allowed to expire, my tax burden increases exponentially versus my per capita usage vs big money coastal states.

I didn't hear what I wanted to hear.

I agree, it would be better if he would simply go back to 3 points, the economy under you sucks because of you, the border is wide open and people are dying because of you and I had no wars and you have multiple.

[ClydeR]

Harris won big.

[Furryrat]

Harris won big.

Sure wouldn't call it that. But the line between the two, its sure been dug deep.

[Tgo01]

Harris won big.

She could have cackled for 2 hours straight and you would have said the same thing.

Why not post on your main account, Fallen?

[Anebriated]

I do wish Trump hadn't taken the bait as often as he did but they kept trotting out old narratives that have been thoroughly debunked time and again. If he doesn't answer them then anyone hiding under a rock watching for the first time believes them. Kamala did OK at times but often seemed like she was just trying to run circles filling the time, occasionally going down a path she had already lost. Trump not having a path forward on healthcare was a definite L for him, he will need to publicly release something soon. As with everything in this cycle the mainstream media will declare her the winner and Trump supporters will declare him the winner. I hope the truly independents see through the bullshit.

[Solkern]

I do wish Trump hadn't taken the bait as often as he did but they kept trotting out old narratives that have been thoroughly debunked time and again. If he doesn't answer them then anyone hiding under a rock watching for the first time believes them. Kamala did OK at times but often seemed like she was just trying to run circles filling the time, occasionally going down a path she had already lost. Trump not having a path forward on healthcare was a definite L for him, he will need to publicly release something soon. As with everything in this cycle the mainstream media will declare her the winner and Trump supporters will declare him the winner. I hope the truly independents see through the bullshit.


That really got me, he kept attacking Harris about what has she done in the White House? Yet he had 4 years, plus 3 years and some change, and all he could come up with was “concepts of a plan”? I expect to see that everywhere going forward. That was a big L moment for him.

[Suppressed Poet]

Harris won big.

I’m talking now. Does that sound familiar? :rofl:

[~Rocktar~]

She is asking for another debate. I want to see him accept on condition he picks the network, maybe no moderators, live audience, standing or sitting, no notes. When she declines, he should say she is too weak to really debate without 2 aids in the room.

[Parkbandit]

Harris won big.

She beat the expectations... that's about it. Her expectations were she would make retarded word salads and answer none of the questions.

She had no really bad word salads and answered a couple of the questions.

cLyDeR "OMG SHE WON!"

It was 3 v 1 and Trump still held his own.

[ClydeR]

Trump not having a path forward on healthcare was a definite L for him, he will need to publicly release something soon.

Soon? You mean in the next two weeks? Trump's lack of a healthcare plan is one of the great cons of presidential history. While he was running in 2016 and throughout his presidency, he repeatedly promised that he was just about to, usually in two weeks, release his proposed healthcare plan, which he said was finished and just waiting for the finishing touches. Finally, belatedly, people are starting to catch on that he never had a plan. His answer last night was laughable.


VICE PRESIDENT HARRIS: The former president has said something twice and I need to respond too. I just need to respond one time to what he has said multiple times.

LINSEY DAVIS: I'm sorry, we're going to move on, Vice President Harris. This is now your third time running for president. you have long vowed to repeal and replace the Affordable Care Act, also known as Obamacare. You have failed to accomplish that. You now say you're going to keep Obamacare. Quote, unless we can do something much better. Last month you said, quote, we're working on it. So tonight, nine years after you first started running, do you have a plan and can you tell us what it is?

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: Obamacare was lousy health care. Always was. It's not very good today. And what I said, that if we come up with something, we are working on things, we're going to do it and we're going to replace it. But remember this. I inherited Obamacare because Democrats wouldn't change it. They wouldn't vote for it. They were unanimous. They wouldn't vote to change it. If they would have done that, we would have had a much better plan than Obamacare. But the Democrats came up, they wouldn't vote for it. I had a choice to make when I was president, do I save it and make it as good as it can be? Never going to be great. Or do I let it rot? And I felt I had an obligation, even though politically it would have been good to just let it rot and let it go away. I decided -- and I told my people, the top people, and they're very good people -- I have a lot of good people in this -- that administration. We read about the bad ones. We had some real bad ones too. And so do they. They have really bad ones. The difference is they don't get rid of them. But let me just explain. I had a choice to make do I save it and make it as good as it can be or let it rot? And I saved it. I did the right thing. But it's still never going to be great. And it's too expensive for people. And what we will do is we're looking at different plans. If we can come up with a plan that's going to cost our people, our population less money and be better health care than Obamacare, then I would absolutely do it. But until then I'd run it as good as it can be run.

LINSEY DAVIS: So just a yes or no, you still do not have a plan?

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I have concepts of a plan. I'm not president right now. But if we come up with something I would only change it if we come up with something better and less expensive. And there are concepts and options we have to do that. And you'll be hearing about it in the not-too-distant future.

More... (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542)

[ClydeR]

She is asking for another debate. I want to see him accept on condition he picks the network, maybe no moderators, live audience, standing or sitting, no notes. When she declines, he should say she is too weak to really debate without 2 aids in the room.

After last night, Trump is in a weak position to dictate the terms of a second debate.

[ClydeR]

If you're an ardent Trump supporter, you know what you have to do. You have to go to Ohio and hire a Haitian to eat a cat on teevee. That's the only way Trump can win.

[Solkern]

I just rewatched the part about people in Ohio stealing cats and dogs and eating them, I saw it on TV!… just what the fuck? I can’t believe he really said that shit in a presidential debate. A big L for him.

[Anebriated]

So are you saying the news is fake?

[Parkbandit]

So are you saying the news is fake?

We are only allowed to say it's a fact when our msm reports on it.

By that standard, Trump is still colluding with Russia.. the Covid vaccine prevents you catching covid and there wasn't an assassination attempt on Trump.. he fell and scratched his ear.

[Solkern]

So are you saying the news is fake?

What news? There was no news. He never saw it on TV. It was a false claim that started on Facebook that was pushed by Vance, who even admitted it was bullshit.

[Suppressed Poet]

She beat the expectations... that's about it. Her expectations were she would make retarded word salads and answer none of the questions.

She had no really bad word salads and answered a couple of the questions.

cLyDeR "OMG SHE WON!"

It was 3 v 1 and Trump still held his own.

Not a word salad per se but she exclaimed that she has a plan about 80 billion times.

Honestly I think Trump handled the debate very well. He attacked Harris horrible record as VP and Senator which she is desperately trying to distance herself from.

Of course I am biased and saw it one way, and liberals saw it another. I can’t imagine this debate changing anyone’s mind. Either you want at best a continuation of Biden administration policies & at worst a more radical progressive agenda, or you want a return of Trump’s America first policies.

[Solkern]

Not a word salad per se but she exclaimed that she has a plan about 80 billion times.

Honestly I think Trump handled the debate very well. He attacked Harris horrible record as VP and Senator which she is desperately trying to distance herself from.

Of course I am biased and saw it one way, and liberals saw it another. I can’t imagine this debate changing anyone’s mind. Either you want at best a continuation of Biden administration policies & at worst a more radical progressive agenda, or you want a return of Trump’s America first policies.


I’m confused on what this 3 vs 1 claim is based on?

Was it because Trump was fact checked a total of THREE times in an almost 2 hour debate?
1. Illegals are stealing peoples cats and dogs and eating them.
2. Laws allowing an abortion after a baby is born?
3. An abortion ban being wanted by 89% of all the people including Democrats.

Those are ridiculous, outlandish claims and outright bullshit lies.


Please quote one, just one completely crazy outlandish lie that Harris made, that is just complete utter bullshit, that is on the same level on anything they fact checked him on.

I mean, she wants to do gender changing surgery on illegal immigrants in prison? Where the hell does he get this shit?
He just spews absolute nonsense.

[Suppressed Poet]

What news? There was no news. He never saw it on TV. It was a false claim that started on Facebook that was pushed by Vance, who even admitted it was bullshit.

More than one resident of Springfield Ohio made those claims at City Hall.

Is the Venezuelan gang taking over an apartment complex in Aurora Colorado also fake? There is video evidence and independent reports from journalists supporting that claim, and yet the police, government, and mainstream media denies it.

[Solkern]

More than one resident of Springfield Ohio made those claims at City Hall.

Is the Venezuelan gang taking over an apartment complex in Aurora Colorado also fake? There is video evidence and independent reports from journalists supporting that claim, and yet the police, government, and mainstream media denies it.

Link? Because so far I’ve found nothing that supports that. City manager has said the claims are bullshit and Vance even said it as well. I repeat, Trump’s own vice president has admitted that it’s most likely bullshit, and not true.

This entire thing stems from a Facebook post:
Facebook posts on local crime-watch groups started making similar claims, with one supposed resident whose post went viral saying their "daughter's friend" had seen Haitians eating her cat and that local authorities had said they were doing the same with ducks and geese.

Additionally, an alleged case of someone attacking a cat in Canton, Ohio in August has been falsely attributed by people online to a Haitian immigrant in Springfield.

And the authorities already said it was not true.

[Suppressed Poet]

I’m confused on what this 3 vs 1 claim is based on?

Was it because Trump was fact checked a total of THREE times in an almost 2 hour debate?
1. Illegals are stealing peoples cats and dogs and eating them.
2. Laws allowing an abortion after a baby is born?
3. An abortion ban being wanted by 89% of all the people including Democrats.

Those are ridiculous, outlandish claims and outright bullshit lies.


Please quote one, just one completely crazy outlandish lie that Harris made, that is just complete utter bullshit.

I think the latest tracker was 4 somewhat false claims by Harris, and 46 by Trump, they also allowed him to speak longer than Harris, by what 5ish minutes? Go ahead and talk for 5 minutes straight, you’ll realize that’s a long fucking time.

Harris repeatedly lied as well. The one that most comes to mind immediately is that she never supported the abolishment of private health care. There are videos of her saying that is her position. As Senator she coauthored the Medicare for all Bill.

She has also previously said she supports a mandatory buyback of assault weapons (a fancy Dem word for gun confiscation) and now denies that or avoids the question.

She wants to abolish fracking and that has been her position until just recently.

She has claimed to seek decriminalization for illegally crossing our border (a fancy Dem term for supporting open borders).

I can go on and on. ABC never pressed nor corrected Kamala Harris.

[Suppressed Poet]

Link? Because so far I’ve found nothing that supports that. City manager has said the claims are bullshit and Vance even said it as well. I repeat, Trump’s own vice president has admitted that it’s most likely bullshit, and not true.

This entire thing stems from a Facebook post:
Facebook posts on local crime-watch groups started making similar claims, with one supposed resident whose post went viral saying their "daughter's friend" had seen Haitians eating her cat and that local authorities had said they were doing the same with ducks and geese.

Additionally, an alleged case of someone attacking a cat in Canton, Ohio in August has been falsely attributed by people online to a Haitian immigrant in Springfield.

And the authorities already said it was not true.


https://youtu.be/ImSlcxvDz4Q?si=q_cw3egaY5rM8ev2

[Solkern]

Harris repeatedly lied as well. The one that most comes to mind immediately is that she never supported the abolishment of private health care. There are videos of her saying that is her position. As Senator she coauthored the Medicare for all Bill.

She has also previously said she supports a mandatory buyback of assault weapons (a fancy Dem word for gun confiscation) and now denies that or avoids the question.

She wants to abolish fracking and that has been her position until just recently.

She has claimed to seek decriminalization for illegally crossing our border (a fancy Dem term for supporting open borders).

I can go on and on. ABC never pressed nor corrected Kamala Harris.

LINSEY DAVIS: Vice President Harris, in 2017 you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run health care system. Two years later you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. What is your plan today?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, first of all, I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president private health care options. But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act. But I, I'll get to that, linsey. I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. I've made very clear my position on fracking. And then this business about taking everyone's guns away. Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand. When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. 60 times. I was a senator at the time. When, I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being – uh, you don't like him, you said at the time because he got caught, he was an American hero. The late great John McCain, I will never forget that night. Walked onto the Senate floor and said no, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have no plan. And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions. I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like? Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes? And thankfully, as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you the American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate dr, drug prices. He never did. We did. And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month. Since I've been vice president we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year. And when I am president we will do that for all people understanding that the value I bring to this is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it, (in audible) in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.




She never once said what you claimed, according to the transcripts of the debate.

Regarding your other things, changing your stance, isn’t lying. Are you not allowed to change positions on something? Trump has changed his position quite often and that’s ok. Harris went into detail before on why she changed her position on the topics you’ve mentioned.

[Solkern]

https://youtu.be/ImSlcxvDz4Q?si=q_cw3egaY5rM8ev2

Right so eating ducks in a park, is the same as going into people’s home, and stealing their cats and dogs and eating them, is that what you are saying?

Someone going through a public trash can looking for food is far different than going into someone’s home and stealing their food.

I’m not saying what they’re doing is right it’s fucking horrible, But it’s not anywhere near to what Trump claimed during the debate.

[Parkbandit]

I’m confused on what this 3 vs 1 claim is based on?

Was it because Trump was fact checked a total of THREE times in an almost 2 hour debate?
1. Illegals are stealing peoples cats and dogs and eating them.
2. Laws allowing an abortion after a baby is born?
3. An abortion ban being wanted by 89% of all the people including Democrats.

Those are ridiculous, outlandish claims and outright bullshit lies.


Please quote one, just one completely crazy outlandish lie that Harris made, that is just complete utter bullshit, that is on the same level on anything they fact checked him on.

I mean, she wants to do gender changing surgery on illegal immigrants in prison? Where the hell does he get this shit?
He just spews absolute nonsense.

The moderators corrected Trump.

The moderators did not correct Harris.

Harris said that "Trump said it would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected" This has been debunked.. Trump was referring to the economy, specifically the auto industry.

Harris said that "Trump and his Project 2025" a number of times. This has been debunked.. Trump has zero to do with Project 2025 and has said repeatedly that he hasn't even read it, much less endorses it.

Harris said "Trump said there are very fine people on both sides" referring to the Charlottsville riot. This bas been debunked as it was taken out of context.

Those are the 3 I remember off the top of my head... but hey, you continue to keep your head squarely up Biden's ass and pretend it was an unbiased moderation job by ABC news.

Normal people can see it wasn't.

[Arqueto]

The moderators corrected Trump.

The moderators did not correct Harris.

Harris said that "Trump said it would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected" This has been debunked.. Trump was referring to the economy, specifically the auto industry.

Harris said that "Trump and his Project 2025" a number of times. This has been debunked.. Trump has zero to do with Project 2025 and has said repeatedly that he hasn't even read it, much less endorses it.

Harris said "Trump said there are very fine people on both sides" referring to the Charlottsville riot. This bas been debunked as it was taken out of context.

Those are the 3 I remember off the top of my head... but hey, you continue to keep your head squarely up Biden's ass and pretend it was an unbiased moderation job by ABC news.

Normal people can see it wasn't.

"Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression."

[Arqueto]

Right so eating ducks in a park, is the same as going into people’s home, and stealing their cats and dogs and eating them, is that what you are saying?

Someone going through a public trash can looking for food is far different than going into someone’s home and stealing their food.

I’m not saying what they’re doing is right it’s fucking horrible, But it’s not anywhere near to what Trump claimed during the debate.

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMWTHZhUMAAyzVe.jpg

[Suppressed Poet]

LINSEY DAVIS: Vice President Harris, in 2017 you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run health care system. Two years later you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. What is your plan today?

VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, first of all, I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president private health care options. But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act. But I, I'll get to that, linsey. I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. I've made very clear my position on fracking. And then this business about taking everyone's guns away. Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand. When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. 60 times. I was a senator at the time. When, I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being – uh, you don't like him, you said at the time because he got caught, he was an American hero. The late great John McCain, I will never forget that night. Walked onto the Senate floor and said no, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have no plan. And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions. I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like? Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes? And thankfully, as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you the American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate dr, drug prices. He never did. We did. And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month. Since I've been vice president we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year. And when I am president we will do that for all people understanding that the value I bring to this is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it, (in audible) in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.




She never once said what you claimed, according to the transcripts of the debate.

Regarding your other things, changing your stance, isn’t lying. Are you not allowed to change positions on something? Trump has changed his position quite often and that’s ok. Harris went into detail before on why she changed her position on the topics you’ve mentioned.

She hasn’t changed her stance. I believe her when she said her values have not changed. I also believe Bernie when he recently said she is lying to get elected. A vote for Kamala is a vote for socialism: killing domestic fossil fuel industry, gun confiscation, nationalization of healthcare, high taxes, endless government spending, and open borders

[drumpel]

I mean, she wants to do gender changing surgery on illegal immigrants in prison? Where the hell does he get this shit?
He just spews absolute nonsense.

https://www.the-independent.com/news/world/americas/us-politics/kamala-harris-progressive-positions-campaign-b2610323.html



Harris’s answers on the form by the American Civil Liberties Union indicate that she once backed funding cuts to Immigration and Customs Enforcement and supported taxes being used to fund gender transition surgeries for federal prisoners and detained immigrants. The now-vice president also backed federally decriminalizing drug possession for personal use, and she pledged to “end” immigration detention.


You can think what you want, but she clearly does believe in these things - even if she says she doesn't now. Trump wasn't wrong.

[ClydeR]

Harris said that "Trump said it would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected" This has been debunked.. Trump was referring to the economy, specifically the auto industry.

Harris said that "Trump and his Project 2025" a number of times. This has been debunked.. Trump has zero to do with Project 2025 and has said repeatedly that he hasn't even read it, much less endorses it.

Harris said "Trump said there are very fine people on both sides" referring to the Charlottsville riot. This bas been debunked as it was taken out of context.


Project 2025. Trump spoke at the Heritage Foundation and praised their plans, saying it would be a blueprint for his next administration. J.D. Vance wrote the foreword for the Project 2025 book. If a journalist is going to fact check somebody, they'll need more than a self-serving statement, especially when that statement flies in the face of all available evidence.



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-81ZHe844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-81ZHe844


Bloodbath. Regarding the "bloodbath" comment, there was no opportunity to correct anything, because Trump interrupted the moderator who was about to say something to Harris about what she had just said. We'll never know what the moderator would have said. Trump is probably right about the bloodbath comment, but since it was part of the "weave," who can be sure?


...And be clear on that point. Donald Trump the candidate has said in this election there will be a bloodbath, if this -- and the outcome of this election is not to his liking. Let's turn the page on this. Let's not go back. Let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past.

DAVID MUIR: Let me just follow up here--

FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I have said blood bash, bath. It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy, because they have destroyed our energy business. That was where bloodbath was.

More... (https://abcnews.go.com/Politics/harris-trump-presidential-debate-transcript/story?id=113560542)


Very Fine People, on Both Sides. Trump addressed Charlottesville in the same interruption as the bloodbath comments. Even so, there would have been nothing to correct on that point. Trump said it. It was not taken out of context.

[Tgo01]

Even so, there would have been nothing to correct on that point. Trump said it. It was not taken out of context.

You're such a fucking rat.

[Suppressed Poet]

I don’t think ClydeR knows what taken out of context means…

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMWTHZhUMAAyzVe.jpg

Incoming strawman

[Methais]

I’m talking now. Does that sound familiar? :rofl:

This part was even better :lol:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LyhEC1TPBkE

[Parkbandit]

Project 2025. Trump spoke at the Heritage Foundation and praised their plans, saying it would be a blueprint for his next administration. J.D. Vance wrote the foreword for the Project 2025 book. If a journalist is going to fact check somebody, they'll need more than a self-serving statement, especially when that statement flies in the face of all available evidence.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-81ZHe844
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zd-81ZHe844


Did you just expect people to believe what you said and not actually watch the heavily edited and pieced together video you posted? Never once did Trump say "it would be a blueprint for his next administration."

What we DO actually have is Trump literally saying "I know nothing about Project 2025" and it has nothing to do with his administration.

But let's not let that get in the way of you "fact checking" me.


Bloodbath. Regarding the "bloodbath" comment, there was no opportunity to correct anything, because Trump interrupted the moderator who was about to say something to Harris about what she had just said. We'll never know what the moderator would have said. Trump is probably right about the bloodbath comment, but since it was part of the "weave," who can be sure?

I can't even decipher what you are trying to say here. Are you saying the poor, poor moderators didn't have time to fact check Harris because Trump was interrupting them?

Are you even for real at this point?


Very Fine People, on Both Sides. Trump addressed Charlottesville in the same interruption as the bloodbath comments. Even so, there would have been nothing to correct on that point. Trump said it. It was not taken out of context.

Don't believe me.. maybe believe Snopes.. a far leftist organization: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Your "factchecking" is about as accurate as everything else you post here: Retarded nonsense.

[Parkbandit]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DMWTHZhUMAAyzVe.jpg

God, that is the perfect description of Soykern... excessive delicacy.

[Methais]

Bloodbath. Regarding the "bloodbath" comment, there was no opportunity to correct anything, because Trump interrupted the moderator who was about to say something to Harris about what she had just said. We'll never know what the moderator would have said. Trump is probably right about the bloodbath comment, but since it was part of the "weave," who can be sure?

Here's how you can be sure. But you knew this already:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0Hyuxp1m6CY

https://i.imgur.com/TXitDDM.png (https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bloodbath)
https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/bloodbath



Very Fine People, on Both Sides. Trump addressed Charlottesville in the same interruption as the bloodbath comments. Even so, there would have been nothing to correct on that point. Trump said it. It was not taken out of context.

https://i.imgur.com/dgBqqzs.png (https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/)
https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Even Snopes thinks you're retarded.

It's because you're a retard.

[Methais]

Link? Because so far I’ve found nothing that supports that. City manager has said the claims are bullshit and Vance even said it as well. I repeat, Trump’s own vice president has admitted that it’s most likely bullshit, and not true.

This entire thing stems from a Facebook post:
Facebook posts on local crime-watch groups started making similar claims, with one supposed resident whose post went viral saying their "daughter's friend" had seen Haitians eating her cat and that local authorities had said they were doing the same with ducks and geese.

Additionally, an alleged case of someone attacking a cat in Canton, Ohio in August has been falsely attributed by people online to a Haitian immigrant in Springfield.

And the authorities already said it was not true.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImSlcxvDz4Q

SP already posted that clip, but anyway...I'm sure those people all went to a city meeting just to make up stories about how fucked their town has become since democrats dumped 20k Haitians on them and said good luck.

Even setting the animal issues aside, what's your opinion on everything else they're talking about here? Do you think that would have happened if Trump were still in office?



Additionally, an alleged case of someone attacking a cat in Canton, Ohio in August has been falsely attributed by people online to a Haitian immigrant in Springfield.


"iT wAsNt sPrInGfIeLd It WaS a DiFfErEnT tOwN iN oHiO!!!"

Full body cam video (contains some brief bloody cat head moments not blurred out but you can't really see anything in detail)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxUZJ81_Ln0




an alleged case of someone attacking a cat

"aTtAcKiNg a CaT"

^ Nice weak ass attempt to downplay.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Even setting the animal issues aside, what's your opinion on everything else they're talking about here?

He will focus on one sentence someone said and strawman it to death while he ignores the obvious argument being made.

[Suppressed Poet]

He will focus on one sentence someone said and strawman it to death while he ignores the obvious argument being made.

Some Hatian migrants in a small town in Ohio are:

Taking dumps on the sidewalk - confirmed
Overwhelming public resources- confirmed
Not assimilating to American culture - confirmed
Killing wild ducks at parks and eating them - confirmed
Stealing farm animals and eating them - confirmed
Kidnapping cats and eating them - not confirmed

ZOMG! Trump and Vance are making up bat shit crazy lies and being RACIST!!!

[joeyb]

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/canton/ohio-woman-eat-cat-canton-police-bodycam-footage-arrest-springfield/95-204df879-5de1-4a07-9aab-10d19aca3ba4

"They said it on the television!"

lol what a mushed brain moron

trump got blasted and you are all coping. lolz

[joeyb]

i know nothing about project 2025, i just work very closely with the people who wrote it

https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/news/washington-secrets/2628501/heritage-dishes-2020-agenda-to-trump-64-of-2016-blueprint-followed/

https://x.com/VaughnHillyard/status/1811402883604050216

[Tgo01]

https://www.wkyc.com/article/news/local/canton/ohio-woman-eat-cat-canton-police-bodycam-footage-arrest-springfield/95-204df879-5de1-4a07-9aab-10d19aca3ba4

"They said it on the television!"

lol what a mushed brain moron

trump got blasted and you are all coping. lolz

You people are something else.

The claim: Citizens in Ohio say they saw Haitian immigrants killing and eating cats.
The """media""": Well in this one case of someone killing a cat she was NOT a Haitian immigrant, therefore we can conclude that the claims of Haitians killing and eating cats is false.
Idiots such as yourself: Well there you go! Proof that this claim is a lie!

How you people manage your daily life is something scientists need to research.

[Solkern]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImSlcxvDz4Q

SP already posted that clip, but anyway...I'm sure those people all went to a city meeting just to make up stories about how fucked their town has become since democrats dumped 20k Haitians on them and said good luck.

Even setting the animal issues aside, what's your opinion on everything else they're talking about here? Do you think that would have happened if Trump were still in office?





"iT wAsNt sPrInGfIeLd It WaS a DiFfErEnT tOwN iN oHiO!!!"

Full body cam video (contains some brief bloody cat head moments not blurred out but you can't really see anything in detail)

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GxUZJ81_Ln0





"aTtAcKiNg a CaT"

^ Nice weak ass attempt to downplay.
Trump: illegal Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Are going into homes, stealing peoples cats, and dogs and eating them. I saw it on tv.
Methais: HERES VIDEO PROOF THAT IT HAPPENS, EVEN THOUGH IT’S IN A DIFFERENT CITY!!!!!!
Me: she’s a U.S. citizen, not an illegal Haitian immigrant….
Methais: DOESNT MATTER!! WHAT TRUMP SAID IS TRUE!!

Trump: illegal Haitian immigrants in Springfield are stealing cats at dogs and eating them.
Methais: post a video of a U.S. citizen in Canton and somehow thinks that’s proof that Trumps claims are true.

But I get it Methais, you see brown people and think they are all the same and all illegal right?
Fucking unreal.


Not one single report or police report filed in Springfield that states any animal was harmed or anything like that in Springfield, OH, by Haitian immigrants. I know damn well if someone stole my cat or stole my dog, I would report it to the police, Especially if I saw them carving the animal up, Instead, these people just go to a city hall meeting and just make claims about random bullshit that there’s absolutely no evidence or facts to support, just what they “think” they saw.

Well, I think I saw Bigfoot, other people claim to have seen Bigfoot too, MUST BE TRUE!
People went to city hall meetings and said the covid vaccine made them magnetic, MUST BE TRUE!
People went to city hall meetings and said they were abducted by aliens, MUST BE TRUE!



Unreal.

[Tgo01]

i know nothing about project 2025, i just work very closely with the people who wrote it

lol

Again you people are something else.

Do you know how many people worked closely with Albert Einstein? You think that means they know everything Einstein knows and did?

No wonder the media has moved on from reporting on facts, it's so easy to dupe idiots such as yourself with "facts."

[joeyb]

[/INDENT]
Did you just expect people to believe what you said and not actually watch the heavily edited and pieced together video you posted? Never once did Trump say "it would be a blueprint for his next administration."

What we DO actually have is Trump literally saying "I know nothing about Project 2025" and it has nothing to do with his administration.

But let's not let that get in the way of you "fact checking" me.



I can't even decipher what you are trying to say here. Are you saying the poor, poor moderators didn't have time to fact check Harris because Trump was interrupting them?

Are you even for real at this point?



Don't believe me.. maybe believe Snopes.. a far leftist organization: https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/trump-very-fine-people/

Your "factchecking" is about as accurate as everything else you post here: Retarded nonsense.

god you are so old.

he literally did say "very fine people on both sides". but like everything he says, he doesn't know what he was saying and it's just stupid word salad. it wasn't until after a reporter called him out on it then he went to backtrack. he's a moron and this isn't a W and you are also a moron.

[joeyb]

You people are something else.

The claim: Citizens in Ohio say they saw Haitian immigrants killing and eating cats.
The """media""": Well in this one case of someone killing a cat she was NOT a Haitian immigrant, therefore we can conclude that the claims of Haitians killing and eating cats is false.
Idiots such as yourself: Well there you go! Proof that this claim is a lie!

How you people manage your daily life is something scientists need to research.

what the fuck are you even saying you drooling retard. are you trying to say that I need to prove that they AREN'T eating cats? like I need to prove a negative? do you know how thinking works you fucking goon?

you give evidence of a claim to prove it's true you fucking idiot, not the other way around. how were you able to stay alive this long?

[joeyb]

lol

Again you people are something else.

Do you know how many people worked closely with Albert Einstein? You think that means they know everything Einstein knows and did?

No wonder the media has moved on from reporting on facts, it's so easy to dupe idiots such as yourself with "facts."

lol

[Solkern]

what the fuck are you even saying you drooling retard. are you trying to say that I need to prove that they AREN'T eating cats? like I need to prove a negative? do you know how thinking works you fucking goon?

you give evidence of a claim to prove it's true you fucking idiot, not the other way around. how were you able to stay alive this long?

I need you to prove that Bigfoot does not exist, get to work!

[Tgo01]

what the fuck are you even saying you drooling retard. are you trying to say that I need to prove that they AREN'T eating cats? like I need to prove a negative?

lol

Idiot joeyb: Hey gais! Here is an article where they say immigrants aren't eating cats and the police have also said that people aren't eating cats!
Also idiot joeyb: You can't prove a negative!

Okay, so what exactly are the media and police doing here?

[Tgo01]

he literally did say "very fine people on both sides". but like everything he says, he doesn't know what he was saying and it's just stupid word salad. it wasn't until after a reporter called him out on it then he went to backtrack.

Oh goodie, now you get to prove a positive! Show us an unedited clip where Trump said Neo-Nazis and white supremacists were very fine people, or that he said "very fine people on both sides" but didn't clarify his remarks until after a reported called him out on it and then he backtracked.

[Solkern]

lol

Idiot joeyb: Hey gais! Here is an article where they say immigrants aren't eating cats and the police have also said that people aren't eating cats!
Also idiot joeyb: You can't prove a negative!

Okay, so what exactly are the media and police doing here?

Trump made a claim, the police showed no evidence to that claim being true, if you can’t tell the difference… that’s on you.
They LOOKED for evidence to prove Trump’s claim, and they found none.

[Tgo01]

what the fuck are you even saying you drooling retard. are you trying to say that I need to prove that they AREN'T eating cats? like I need to prove a negative? do you know how thinking works you fucking goon?

Also I ain't asking you to prove shit.

I pointed out the dishonesty of saying "Look! This person was arrested for eating a cat but they were not a Haitian immigrant therefore we can conclude immigrants aren't eating cats" is so beyond dumb I can't even begin to comprehend how you think this was a good idea to post.


Trump made a claim, the police showed no evidence to that claim being true, if you can’t tell the difference… that’s on you.

Are you really so monumentally dumb that you can't tell the difference between "We couldn't find any evidence" and "This is absolutely not happening"? Do you really need me to explain this to you further?

You can try to change reality and pretend the article says "the police found no evidence" when that is not at all what the article says, but don't expect me to buy into your fake reality.

[Solkern]

Also I ain't asking you to prove shit.

I pointed out the dishonesty of saying "Look! This person was arrested for eating a cat but they were not a Haitian immigrant therefore we can conclude immigrants aren't eating cats" is so beyond dumb I can't even begin to comprehend how you think this was a good idea to post.



Are you really so monumentally dumb that you can't tell the difference between "We couldn't find any evidence" and "This is absolutely not happening"? Do you really need me to explain this to you further?

You can try to change reality and pretend the article says "the police found no evidence" when that is not at all what the article says, but don't expect me to buy into your fake reality.

Do you have any evidence or proof that Haitian immigrants are eating peoples cats and dogs? No, you don’t, so until you do, you can’t say it’s happening.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

10065

https://newslit.org/tips-tools/news-lit-tip-straw-man/

[Tgo01]

Do you have any evidence or proof that Haitian immigrants are eating peoples cats and dogs? No, you don’t, so until you do, you can’t say it’s happening.

I can sure as shit say people are claiming they are witnessing it.

Can you now admit you are such a fucking liar that you claimed the article dipshit posted merely said the police "found no evidence"? Which is by no means the same thing as what the article actually says which is, and I quote: "With claims circulating that Haitian immigrants in Springfield are stealing and eating pets, our VERIFY team has reported that the Springfield Police Department says there is no truth to the viral claims."

You and joeyb were meant for each other. A couple of lying sacks of shit who couldn't repeat an honest claim if it went counter to their argument even if their life depended on it.

[Gelston]

Trump lost. Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala. Sorry Guys. It is over.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Trump lost. Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala. Sorry Guys. It is over.

I'm only voting for Kamala if Kelce also endorses her.

[joeyb]

lol

Idiot joeyb: Hey gais! Here is an article where they say immigrants aren't eating cats and the police have also said that people aren't eating cats!
Also idiot joeyb: You can't prove a negative!

Okay, so what exactly are the media and police doing here?

they're saying there is no proof to support those claims you fucking moron.

[joeyb]

Oh goodie, now you get to prove a positive! Show us an unedited clip where Trump said Neo-Nazis and white supremacists were very fine people, or that he said "very fine people on both sides" but didn't clarify his remarks until after a reported called him out on it and then he backtracked.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs

[joeyb]

I can sure as shit say people are claiming they are witnessing it.

Can you now admit you are such a fucking liar that you claimed the article dipshit posted merely said the police "found no evidence"? Which is by no means the same thing as what the article actually says which is, and I quote: "With claims circulating that Haitian immigrants in Springfield are stealing and eating pets, our VERIFY team has reported that the Springfield Police Department says there is no truth to the viral claims."

You and joeyb were meant for each other. A couple of lying sacks of shit who couldn't repeat an honest claim if it went counter to their argument even if their life depended on it.

some racist rednecks claiming they are witnessing it isn't proof you stupid fuck.

how do you think this works? so you think that you can just make any claim and that's good enough? so i can literally say anything and because I said or say other people said it that's enough proof to believe it.

i heard people are saying that trump continuously shits himself and constantly wreaks of shit and farts. prove me wrong.
i heard that Tgo01 has an invisible, intangible group of retarded apes putting quarters into a floating intangible machine above his head that connects to his brain which randomly fires off neurons which is the reason he is so stupid. prove me wrong.

"people are saying that haitian immigrants are eating cats in Ohio. prove me wrong"

i mean this seriously, do you live in a group home? i know i've made fun of you a lot but i'd feel bad if you actually have some sort of mental disability.

[joeyb]

Tgo01 when you go to bed at night and close your bedroom door how long do you stand there wondering where the hallway went

[Tgo01]

they're saying there is no proof to support those claims you fucking moron.

Can't believe I have to quote your own article yet again:


With claims circulating that Haitian immigrants in Springfield are stealing and eating pets, our VERIFY team has reported that the Springfield Police Department says there is no truth to the viral claims.

That is a very definitive answer. "There is no truth to the viral claims." The police (or at least the "news" article is claiming the police said this) are acting as the final arbiter of this discussion, something that goes counter to what you said which is you can't prove a negative.

You and Solkern really need to brush up on your reading skills.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JmaZR8E12bs

Trump: You had people, who were very fine people, on both sides...I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazis or the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.

Gee, all without a reporter calling him out on it first and then Trump backtracking.

Dude, you aren't very good at proving a negative or a positive. Maybe you should just repeat what the media tells you to repeat and stop acting like you can think for yourself.

[Parkbandit]

i know nothing

Truer words have never been typed out.

[Parkbandit]

god you are so old.

he literally did say "very fine people on both sides". but like everything he says, he doesn't know what he was saying and it's just stupid word salad. it wasn't until after a reporter called him out on it then he went to backtrack. he's a moron and this isn't a W and you are also a moron.

It's why I included a site from snopes.com so even someone with limited intellect as you (because you are a fucking retard) could read it for yourself with an adult helping you with the big words.

[Suppressed Poet]

Trump lost. Taylor Swift endorsed Kamala. Sorry Guys. It is over.

Biden just endorsed Trump. :rofl:

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2469397/joe-biden-wearing-trump-hat.jpg?w=1600&h=1600&q=88&f=e96d501cfea29e73445411e0e09b01b8

[Parkbandit]

Biden just endorsed Trump. :rofl:

https://d.newsweek.com/en/full/2469397/joe-biden-wearing-trump-hat.jpg?w=1600&h=1600&q=88&f=e96d501cfea29e73445411e0e09b01b8

The only thing better was when he endorsed Kamala... fucking over the Obamas who wanted an open convention for a real nominee.

[Tgo01]

I thought Biden wearing a Trump hat was photoshop, but apparently he really did that.

[Gelston]

I thought Biden wearing a Trump hat was photoshop, but apparently he really did that.

Wait what?

Haha...

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-wears-donald-trump-hat-1952411

[Suppressed Poet]

Wait what?

Haha...

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-wears-donald-trump-hat-1952411

No ice cream tonight for old Joe. His handlers:
https://media.tenor.com/IGY0OJ8j7a0AAAAM/youcould-troubleme.gif

[Alfster]

What it must be like to live in fear like conservatives. Last election cycle they're pushing...litter boxes in schools - which some of you fucking morons believed.

This election cycle - a new made up dog whistle has y'all terrified.

You guys are essentially arguing that migrants are killing dogs and cats - at scale - in one town in Ohio. That town is like yo, I dunno wtf you're talking about... And you're continuing to believe it.

What fear does to boomers is clearly on display. Fuck man. Use your God damn brains.

Sent from my motorola one 5G ace using Tapatalk

[joeyb]

Can't believe I have to quote your own article yet again:

That is a very definitive answer. "There is no truth to the viral claims." The police (or at least the "news" article is claiming the police said this) are acting as the final arbiter of this discussion, something that goes counter to what you said which is you can't prove a negative.



do you not understand the difference between saying there is no proof of a thing vs saying a thing exists without providing proof? that was a rhetorical question because you obviously don't or else we wouldn't be having this discussion where you keep showing how extremely stupid you are. but, there is a difference between the two and you are extremely stupid.

address the rest of my post. you can literally say anything and it must be true because "trust me bro", is that right? why don't you understand this? why are you so stupid?

-----

Trump literally says "fine people on both sides" around the 1 min mark and then goes back and forth with the reporters around the 2ish min mark when he starts to say something different.

[joeyb]

It's why I included a site from snopes.com so even someone with limited intellect as you (because you are a fucking retard) could read it for yourself with an adult helping you with the big words.

i posted a video up above of the speech and what I'm talking about. that may be better for you so you so you can just turn up the hearing aid and don't have read the snopes article with your 175 point font

[Tgo01]

What it must be like to live in fear like conservatives. Last election cycle they're pushing...litter boxes in schools - which some of you fucking morons believed.

This election cycle - a new made up dog whistle has y'all terrified.

You guys are essentially arguing that migrants are killing dogs and cats - at scale - in one town in Ohio. That town is like yo, I dunno wtf you're talking about... And you're continuing to believe it.

What fear does to boomers is clearly on display. Fuck man. Use your God damn brains.

Sent from my motorola one 5G ace using Tapatalk

wut?

Outside of people like you frothing at the mouth about this, or the media going into a frenzy to "debunk" this story 100 times a day, I have hardly even heard any talk about illegal aliens eating pets outside of the Facebook post going around.


do you not understand the difference between saying there is no proof of a thing vs saying a thing exists without providing proof?

Do you not understand that is not at all what the article you linked said? I even quoted it for you, buddy. If you need helping reading then let me know.


Trump literally says "fine people on both sides" around the 1 min mark and then goes back and forth with the reporters around the 2ish min mark when he starts to say something different.

"Back and forth" with reporters, you mean because they kept interrupting him with nonsense? What exactly did the reporter say that supposedly called Trump out on it that prompted Trump to backtrack and clarify his remarks?

[Tgo01]

To be fair to Biden with the whole Trump hat thing, it looks like he was just having fun and wasn't having a senile/Biden moment where he didn't know where he was, but it's still not a good look, especially right after the debate.

[joeyb]

wut?

Outside of people like you frothing at the mouth about this, or the media going into a frenzy to "debunk" this story 100 times a day, I have hardly even heard any talk about illegal aliens eating pets outside of the Facebook post going around.



Do you not understand that is not at all what the article you linked said? I even quoted it for you, buddy. If you need helping reading then let me know.



"Back and forth" with reporters, you mean because they kept interrupting him with nonsense? What exactly did the reporter say that supposedly called Trump out on it that prompted Trump to backtrack and clarify his remarks?


they say in the article the police in that area said there is no proof to the claims. the burden of proof is on the person who is making the claims, that is how this works. your argument is just because they are saying it didn't happen, doesn't mean it didn't happen. ok, so where is the proof that it is happening? the only proof you have is "trust me bro". where is your proof? address the rest of my post.

yes, trump was going back and forth with reporters. did you hear the part around the 1ish min mark where he says "fine people on both sides"? did you hear then when he backtracks and says something different later on? what the reporters say is irrelevant and you are fucking stupid.

[Tgo01]

they say in the article the police in that area said there is no proof to the claims.

Maybe it really is just a reading problem with you:


With claims circulating that Haitian immigrants in Springfield are stealing and eating pets, our VERIFY team has reported that the Springfield Police Department says there is no truth to the viral claims.

Or do you not understand the difference between "no proof" and "no truth"?

The police saying there is no proof allows room for a debate: did the police actively investigate? How much did they investigate? By "no proof" do they just mean there were no reports (according to other articles I have read this is what they really said) of pets being killed and eaten?

Saying there is "no truth" to these claims means a decision has already been made and the police for some reason get to make that decision.

I really don't know why this needed to go on for 10+ posts between me, you, and Solkern, when it was very obvious what I was saying in my very first post.

[Tgo01]

Proof of illegal aliens eating cats:

https://i.pinimg.com/originals/f3/14/69/f3146921b87a5a6345418b34eb1b103f.png

[joeyb]

lol you are so fucking stupid.

this literally started because you retardedly said:

The claim: Citizens in Ohio say they saw Haitian immigrants killing and eating cats.
The """media""": Well in this one case of someone killing a cat she was NOT a Haitian immigrant, therefore we can conclude that the claims of Haitians killing and eating cats is false.
Idiots such as yourself: Well there you go! Proof that this claim is a lie!

and I pointed out correctly that the burden of proof is on you and it still is you fucking moron.

and it's going on and on because your brain is so smooth and you keep arguing that "because i said so" is proof of a claim and think that lack of proof that something didn't happen is proof that it did happen. you are stupid and need to stop posting.

[Tgo01]

Whoa there, joeyb! If you backtrack any faster you'll be going back in time!

[~Rocktar~]

Whoa there, joeyb! If you backtrack any faster you'll be going back in time!

Can he go back in time to the start of his retarded shitposting and spare us all the eyesore?

[Seran]

Also I ain't asking you to prove shit.

I pointed out the dishonesty of saying "Look! This person was arrested for eating a cat but they were not a Haitian immigrant therefore we can conclude immigrants aren't eating cats" is so beyond dumb I can't even begin to comprehend how you think this was a good idea to post.

Are you really so monumentally dumb that you can't tell the difference between "We couldn't find any evidence" and "This is absolutely not happening"? Do you really need me to explain this to you further?

You can try to change reality and pretend the article says "the police found no evidence" when that is not at all what the article says, but don't expect me to buy into your fake reality.

Man, what a hill to die on. I assume that because Trump and JD Vance have both repeated the same fake online story that you believe its true beyond a reasonable doubt, but sheesh, it was debunked but multiple sources. It was admittedly pretty damn funny seeing that sort of unhinged claim on nationally televised debate watched by 43 million people, but seeing the wagons being circled around the 'credibility' of a viral video is getting pretty sad.

[Solkern]

Man, what a hill to die on. I assume that because Trump and JD Vance have both repeated the same fake online story that you believe its true beyond a reasonable doubt, but sheesh, it was debunked but multiple sources. It was admittedly pretty damn funny seeing that sort of unhinged claim on nationally televised debate watched by 43 million people, but seeing the wagons being circled around the 'credibility' of a viral video is getting pretty sad.

What’s funny is, even Vance, Trump’s vice presidential nominee, says it’s just rumors, yet these people actually still think it’s true. Blows my mind.

They are doing mental gymnastics, posting videos of US citizen in a completely different city, claiming she’s an illegal Haitian immigrant. Claiming because people said they saw people eating a duck in a park at a city hall meeting means, that these are illegal Haitian immigrants that are stealing peoples dogs and cats and eating them and it’s 100% true. It’s just sad.

[Tgo01]

So now we got joey, Solkern, and Seran proving they don't know how to read and follow along with a simple conversation and can only engage in hyperbole and strawmanning.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/ZyFZFTpTLfgAAAAC/shocker-shocked.gif

[~Rocktar~]

https://scontent-atl3-2.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/459336200_10230735555306330_128545607964067717_n.j pg?_nc_cat=101&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=833d8c&_nc_ohc=YITonvE5MfwQ7kNvgGo5iyu&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-2.xx&_nc_gid=A2vsFW9gXnG0zgn_tSo_hkX&oh=00_AYBWsfYSaAxkJSbZJt9CBCI2NO9l4Qt21S82Mxzf60WR _Q&oe=66E89D35

The debate in rational people's eyes.

[ClydeR]

This pretty much sums up the debate..


https://i.imgur.com/wy6jWXq.png
https://twitter.com/oneunderscore__/status/1833696643671003495

[ClydeR]

Steve Rattner used charts this morning to address Trump debate lies about crime, tariffs and funding Ukraine..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9uTT8GF9ac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9uTT8GF9ac

To summarize..
Contrary to what Trump said, crime has fallen every year that Biden has been in office.
Contrary to what Trump said, Tariffs are not paid by foreign countries.
Contrary to what Trump said, Europe has spent more funding Ukraine than the U.S.

[Parkbandit]

https://www.tiktok.com/@nadeem.page/video/7413624304799206687

I'll just leave this here.. this is the debate we really should have.

[Parkbandit]

Steve Rattner used charts this morning to address Trump debate lies about crime, tariffs and funding Ukraine..


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9uTT8GF9ac
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M9uTT8GF9ac

To summarize..

Contrary to what Trump said, crime has fallen every year that Biden has been in office.
Contrary to what Trump said, Tariffs are not paid by foreign countries.
Contrary to what Trump said, Europe has spent more funding Ukraine than the U.S.



We will take your word for it, since you suck at linking your actual source.

[~Rocktar~]

Pretty interesting.


https://x.com/DefiyantlyFree/status/1834252484761846123?t=ENXxrKY0q1Cle0K0ouk4hQ&s=19&fbclid=IwY2xjawFQNadleHRuA2FlbQIxMAABHTVvkhIfh4P5I _0eXtxGRgKEdA-i_YbAzAlpkUtKBqlrsMjSkrk0xk1aQw_aem_ggZYBnZaVuzTqx 2MsWKC8Q

[ClydeR]

I don't think any presidential candidate has ever flip flopped on debates as much as Trump has in the short time since Biden dropped out. His vacillating indecision is consistent with the onset of dementia, as anybody can tell you who has gone through that process with a family member.


Sept 12 (Reuters) - Republican nominee Donald Trump said on Thursday he would not participate in another presidential debate against Kamala Harris ahead of the Nov. 5 election, after several polls showed his Democratic rival won their debate earlier this week.

"THERE WILL BE NO THIRD DEBATE!" the former president wrote on social media site Truth Social. Trump had participated in a debate against President Joe Biden in June before his debate against Harris on Tuesday.

More... (https://www.reuters.com/world/us/trump-says-he-will-not-participate-another-debate-with-kamala-harris-2024-09-12/)

[Suppressed Poet]

I don't think any presidential candidate has ever flip flopped on debates as much as Trump has in the short time since Biden dropped out. His vacillating indecision is consistent with the onset of dementia, as anybody can tell you who has gone through that process with a family member.

Trump hasn’t flip flopped on debates nearly as much as Kamala (supposedly) has on policy.

[~Rocktar~]

I don't think.

^^ This is correct.

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/7G0yUP9v-t4?si=MQEratu1_2lhO0LC

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/jgX19JMlMBM?si=MUVeF0TfV_CETEVf

[ClydeR]

It seems to me that both Harris and Trump have the wrong strategy about whether or not there should be another debate. What am I missing?

From Harris' perspective, she is very unlikely ever in her life to win another debate so decisively. Harris is not a great debater. She should quit while she is ahead. She should be delighted that Trump says he will not debate her again.

From Trump's perspective -- by which I mean what he must be thinking, not what he says in public -- his loss in the first debate hurt him but did not knock him out of the race. All he has to do is prepare for the next debate and not let his opponent trick him into spending his time on vanity issues. For example, when the moderators asked Harris about her several policy shifts, she gave a weak answer and then said Trump inherited a large sum money and went bankrupt multiple times. Instead of focusing on Harris' policy shifts, Trump spent the beginning of his response, which is the most impactful part of an answer, saying he did not inherit a lot of money -- nobody listening thought he was telling the truth -- and how he had made "many, many billions" since then. He actually said "many, many billions" twice. With a little practice and self discipline, Trump could redeem his reputation in a second debate.

Harris should not want a second debate. Trump should want a second debate. What are they thinking?

[Parkbandit]

It seems to me that both Harris and Trump have the wrong strategy about whether or not there should be another debate. What am I missing?

A functioning brain cell.

[Suppressed Poet]

It seems to me that both Harris and Trump have the wrong strategy about whether or not there should be another debate. What am I missing?

A father and/or positive strong male role model present in your childhood.

[Parkbandit]

What am I missing?

Courage.

[ClydeR]

Courage.


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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOUp_LTRzRU
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yOUp_LTRzRU

[Seran]

So now we got joey, Solkern, and Seran proving they don't know how to read and follow along with a simple conversation and can only engage in hyperbole and strawmanning.


You're rabidly defending a disproven claim that Haitian immigrants are eating pets and you're claiming others are engaging in hyperbole? LOL

So now that we know that Trump's new love nugget Laura Loomer, and his source of the pet eating rumor, flew with him to the disastrous debate, Republicans at least know who to blame for Trump's ruinous performance. Other than Trump of course.

[Tgo01]

You're rabidly defending a disproven claim that Haitian immigrants are eating pets

Please quote one single instance where I have defended the claim or repeated the claim as factual.

Just like joeyb and Solkern, you are so dishonest and stupid that you just strawman all day long then pat yourself on the back before bed thinking you owned them stupid maggats.

[Methais]

Trump: illegal Haitian immigrants in Springfield, Are going into homes, stealing peoples cats, and dogs and eating them. I saw it on tv.
Methais: HERES VIDEO PROOF THAT IT HAPPENS, EVEN THOUGH IT’S IN A DIFFERENT CITY!!!!!!
Me: she’s a U.S. citizen, not an illegal Haitian immigrant….
Methais: DOESNT MATTER!! WHAT TRUMP SAID IS TRUE!!

Trump: illegal Haitian immigrants in Springfield are stealing cats at dogs and eating them.
Methais: post a video of a U.S. citizen in Canton and somehow thinks that’s proof that Trumps claims are true.

But I get it Methais, you see brown people and think they are all the same and all illegal right?
Fucking unreal.


Not one single report or police report filed in Springfield that states any animal was harmed or anything like that in Springfield, OH, by Haitian immigrants. I know damn well if someone stole my cat or stole my dog, I would report it to the police, Especially if I saw them carving the animal up, Instead, these people just go to a city hall meeting and just make claims about random bullshit that there’s absolutely no evidence or facts to support, just what they “think” they saw.

Well, I think I saw Bigfoot, other people claim to have seen Bigfoot too, MUST BE TRUE!
People went to city hall meetings and said the covid vaccine made them magnetic, MUST BE TRUE!
People went to city hall meetings and said they were abducted by aliens, MUST BE TRUE!



Unreal.


Yeah, that's totally it, brown people = illegal cat eaters across the board, and isn't at all just you just being a drama queen with a bunch of ad hominem and a dash of projection thrown in too.

And I'm sure that they totally just restrict themselves to ducks and geese, despite their culture being notorious for eating cats, both for survival and religious reasons.

Speaking of geese, isn't killing Canadian geese a federal offense or some shit?

Anyway, why are you downplaying someone eating a cat into "attacking a cat," regardless of who it was? Aside from your usual mealy mouthing that is.


And most of all, you "forgot" to respond to this part in your drama filled ad hominem meltdown, since this is really the core issue here. So let's try again:


Even setting the animal issues aside, what's your opinion on everything else they're talking about here? Do you think that would have happened if Trump were still in office?


In case you "forgot" what video I'm referring to:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ImSlcxvDz4Q



Also one last question. Can you confirm the accuracy or inaccuracy of this yellow line? Thanks in advance.

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[Methais]

Can't believe I have to quote your own article yet again:



That is a very definitive answer. "There is no truth to the viral claims." The police (or at least the "news" article is claiming the police said this) are acting as the final arbiter of this discussion, something that goes counter to what you said which is you can't prove a negative.

You and Solkern really need to brush up on your reading skills.



Trump: You had people, who were very fine people, on both sides...I'm not talking about the Neo-Nazis or the white nationalists, because they should be condemned totally.

Gee, all without a reporter calling him out on it first and then Trump backtracking.

Dude, you aren't very good at proving a negative or a positive. Maybe you should just repeat what the media tells you to repeat and stop acting like you can think for yourself.

Slightly off topic: Wasn't Aurora, CO denying that the Venezuelan gang shit was happening too until they literally couldn't anymore?

[Methais]

Wait what?

Haha...

https://www.newsweek.com/joe-biden-wears-donald-trump-hat-1952411

I'm 50/50 that Biden at some point before the election will give dems the biggest fuck you possible over them pushing him out.

Shoutout to Joe for joining the Unity party either way. :lol:

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[Tgo01]

Slightly off topic: Wasn't Aurora, CO denying that the Venezuelan gang shit was happening too until they literally couldn't anymore?

I'm not sure if they were denying it was happening, but they sure as shit were downplaying it and weren't doing anything about the problem with one resident saying the police literally told her to just move if she can't handle it.

But according to the dumb ass brigade, a citizen saying something happened isn't any sort of evidence unless the media says it is evidence.

[Methais]

But according to the dumb ass brigade, a citizen saying something happened isn't any sort of evidence unless the media says it is evidence. Unless it's something negative about Trump, then it's true no matter what forever even after being debunked 948732940234 times.

Fixed.

[joeyb]

So now we got joey, Solkern, and Seran proving they don't know how to read and follow along with a simple conversation and can only engage in hyperbole and strawmanning.

https://media1.tenor.com/m/ZyFZFTpTLfgAAAAC/shocker-shocked.gif

what was the argument about Tgo01, in regard to the Haitian immigrants?

parkbandit come get ya boi, he's drooling all over this keyboard again

[joeyb]

Please quote one single instance where I have defended the claim or repeated the claim as factual.

Just like joeyb and Solkern, you are so dishonest and stupid that you just strawman all day long then pat yourself on the back before bed thinking you owned them stupid maggats.

what is this:



You people are something else.

The claim: Citizens in Ohio say they saw Haitian immigrants killing and eating cats.
The """media""": Well in this one case of someone killing a cat she was NOT a Haitian immigrant, therefore we can conclude that the claims of Haitians killing and eating cats is false.
Idiots such as yourself: Well there you go! Proof that this claim is a lie!

How you people manage your daily life is something scientists need to research.


so, I post an article debunking the stupid video Methais posted trying to prove that Trump isn't an idiot for saying Haitian immigrants are eating cats.

you responded with this stupid bullshit, defending that claim.

just stop fucking posting

[joeyb]

But according to the dumb ass brigade, a citizen saying something happened isn't any sort of evidence unless the media says it is evidence.

reply to my other post where I point out how dumb you are and how the burden of proof is on the person making the claim, and without that standard, you can literally say anything. otherwise stop posting.

also, lol:

https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/americas/us-politics/trump-haitian-eating-pets-immigrants-facebook-source-b2612208.html

yeah just stop posting

[Tgo01]

what is this:



so, I post an article debunking the stupid video Methais posted trying to prove that Trump isn't an idiot for saying Haitian immigrants are eating cats.

you responded with this stupid bullshit, defending that claim.

just stop fucking posting

Are you having a stroke, my dude?

Where do you see me defending the claim? I was merely pointing out the dishonesty of saying "We can verify illegal aliens aren't eating cats because this one case where someone was arrested for eating a cat was a US citizen."

I was also calling bullshit on the article claiming the police said there was "no truth" to the claims, when they should have said the police didn't receive any reports on the claims, noting what a vast difference there is between the two statements. But you are so beyond brain dead you still can't comprehend this simple fact.

I was also calling bullshit on Solkern's dumb comment that I can't say illegal aliens are eating pets (which I never said to begin with) because I don't have any evidence or proof of it happening. I responded with the very clear fact that I CAN say people are saying they are seeing it with their own eyes. We can have a discussion about whether or not these claims are credible, but the idea that we can just discount them wholesale because the media is frothing at the mouth over this discussion and has decided that this case is closed is why people are getting tired of the left. Time and time again people say they are suffering and time and time again the left just says "No you're not! Vote blue!"

At first I thought you were just being dishonest, now I believe you are straight up so stupid that you probably didn't learn how to tie your shoes until you were well into your 20's, if you even know how to tie them today.

[joeyb]

Are you having a stroke, my dude?

Where do you see me defending the claim? I was merely pointing out the dishonesty of saying "We can verify illegal aliens aren't eating cats because this one case where someone was arrested for eating a cat was a US citizen."

I was also calling bullshit on the article claiming the police said there was "no truth" to the claims, when they should have said the police didn't receive any reports on the claims, noting what a vast difference there is between the two statements. But you are so beyond brain dead you still can't comprehend this simple fact.

I was also calling bullshit on Solkern's dumb comment that I can't say illegal aliens are eating pets (which I never said to begin with) because I don't have any evidence or proof of it happening. I responded with the very clear fact that I CAN say people are saying they are seeing it with their own eyes. We can have a discussion about whether or not these claims are credible, but the idea that we can just discount them wholesale because the media is frothing at the mouth over this discussion and has decided that this case is closed is why people are getting tired of the left. Time and time again people say they are suffering and time and time again the left just says "No you're not! Vote blue!"

At first I thought you were just being dishonest, now I believe you are straight up so stupid that you probably didn't learn how to tie your shoes until you were well into your 20's, if you even know how to tie them today.

i see you defending the claim in the post where you are defending the claim. this one:



The claim: Citizens in Ohio say they saw Haitian immigrants killing and eating cats.
The """media""": Well in this one case of someone killing a cat she was NOT a Haitian immigrant, therefore we can conclude that the claims of Haitians killing and eating cats is false.
Idiots such as yourself: Well there you go! Proof that this claim is a lie!


what is the point of this quoted post Tgo01. what are you doing here?

do you not understand who the burden of proof is on and why saying "some people are saying" isn't proof of a thing? address this because you keep ignoring it and this is literally the crux of the argument. you won't because you can't because what you said is stupid and you're an idiot. now shut the fuck up and stop posting

[Parkbandit]

What it must be like to live in fear like conservatives. Last election cycle they're pushing...litter boxes in schools - which some of you fucking morons believed.

This election cycle - a new made up dog whistle has y'all terrified.

You guys are essentially arguing that migrants are killing dogs and cats - at scale - in one town in Ohio. That town is like yo, I dunno wtf you're talking about... And you're continuing to believe it.

What fear does to boomers is clearly on display. Fuck man. Use your God damn brains.

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LOL... you've been triggered so much since 2015.. you don't even realize you are on the same side of every issue as sErAn... the current Retard Champion.

[Parkbandit]

But according to the dumb ass brigade, a citizen saying something happened isn't any sort of evidence unless the media says it is evidence.

To be fair to them.. that's where they get their daily marching orders.

Otherwise, they would only be sitting at home, eating their own boogers.. now they can be useful to the Democrats... and still eat their own boogers.

[Parkbandit]

what was the argument about Tgo01, in regard to the Haitian immigrants?

parkbandit come get ya boi, he's drooling all over this keyboard again

The only one drooling here currently is you.

Stop posting, retard.

[Tgo01]

what is the point of this quoted post Tgo01. what are you doing here?

I explained it to you about half a dozen times so far. If you're having trouble with basic English then I suggest asking your mommy to help you out with the 2+ syllable words.

[ClydeR]

Trump's new love nugget Laura Loomer

I think the videos of Trump hugging and kissing her may have been AI generated. He's too smart to behave that way in public.

[ClydeR]

Trump pledges mass deportation of Haitians to Venezuela

More... (https://www.afr.com/world/north-america/trump-pledges-mass-deportation-of-haitians-to-venezuela-20240914-p5kait)

The Haitians are in Springfield legally.
Many of them came during the Trump administration.
They were fleeing impossible conditions in Haiti.
What makes Trump think Venezuela is the place to send them?
And what happened to Christians in this country? They are enabling a man who abuses the needy and least powerful.
The richest man in the world joined Trump and Vance in belittling the Haitians.

I'm expecting a lightning bolt any minute now.

[Methais]

The Haitians are in Springfield legally.
Many of them came during the Trump administration.
They were fleeing impossible conditions in Haiti.
What makes Trump think Venezuela is the place to send them?
And what happened to Christians in this country? They are enabling a man who abuses the needy and least powerful.
The richest man in the world joined Trump and Vance in belittling the Haitians.

I'm expecting a lightning bolt any minute now.

Why do you hate multiculturalism in Venezuela? Bigot.

[Tgo01]

[LIST] The Haitians are in Springfield legally.

Your own link says MOST are here legally.

Why do you hate facts so much?

[ClydeR]

Republican strategist Karl Rove blasted former President Trump for the “catastrophic” debate he had with Vice President Harris earlier this week.

More... (https://www.nj.com/politics/2024/09/karl-rove-trump-called-harris-dumb-as-a-rock-what-does-that-make-him.html)


“Will this debate have an effect? Yes, though perhaps not as much as Team Harris hopes or as much as Team Trump might fear. But there’s no putting lipstick on this pig. Mr. Trump was crushed by a woman he previously dismissed as “dumb as a rock.” Which raises the question: What does that make him?” he concluded.

That must sting.

[Methais]

That must sting.

I don't see why. Rove has always been a pile of shit, and Kamala bragging about how retards like Dick Cheney and Mitt Romney and the other warmonger republicans that everbody already hates endorsing her isn't going to move the needle in her favor. Most likely the opposite.

All of that just confirms what everyone already knew about the machine wanting Kamala in so that they can continue their forever wars.

Why do you love war so much? The only war you should be in favor of is your war against leaving the house all by yourself without your mommy like a big boy.


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