Israel at War?

[Suppressed Poet]

Oh shit.

I’m scarred.

When I’m scarred, I load bullets into magazines. It calms me down. I hope I have enough.

Israel-Palestine escalation live: Gaza under bombardment after Hamas attack
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/liveblog/2023/10/7/israel-palestine-escalation-live-news-barrage-of-rockets-fired-from-gaza

[Suppressed Poet]

Every Jew in my Jewish neighborhood is freaking the fuck out this morning.

[Anebriated]

This is a really big deal geo-politically. Biden leaving our oil reserves empty(17 days worth) could be a really terrible decision if the straight of Hormuz is blocked for any length of time. Major impact to global energy.

[Seran]

This is a really big deal geo-politically. Biden leaving our oil reserves empty(17 days worth) could be a really terrible decision if the straight of Hormuz is blocked for any length of time. Major impact to global energy.

Didn't take long for dumb right-wingers to try and bring Biden into this. Couple of things; the 17 day estimate is assuming the United States was ONLY relying on oil from the SPR for it's domestic needs. This is not the case as domestically we produce much more oil than we use. Second, Israel is nowhere near the Straight of Hormuz. Third, you're a fucking idiot.

[Solkern]

Lol, Biden’s fault somehow.

[Suppressed Poet]

I hope Israel flattens the Gaza Strip. They should have booted all the Palestinians back in ‘67 with the Six-Day War.


Psalms 144:1-2
Praise be to the LORD my Rock, who trains my hands for war, my fingers for battle. He is my loving God and my fortress, my stronghold and my deliverer, my shield, in whom I take refuge, who subdues peoples under me.

[Anebriated]

You are right. Biden giving the primary sponsors of Hamas 6 billion had no impact on this situation. And the global energy supply won’t be impacted at all by one of the primary oil shipping corridors potentially being closed off.

[Suppressed Poet]

Lol, Biden’s fault somehow.

He didn’t help it any, but I won’t go far as to say that.

Edit: in before Seran blames it all on Trump.

[Tgo01]

I'm just here to see how many Democrats blame Israel for being attacked.

[Seran]

You are right.

This is correct.

[Parkbandit]

This is correct.

Sarcasm is yet another skill you will never understand.

[Seran]

Sarcasm is yet another skill you will never understand.

You say sarcasm, I say self-realization that was sorely needed by new-Shaps.

[Parkbandit]

You say sarcasm, I say self-realization that was sorely needed by new-Shaps.

It was sarcasm. You just will never be intelligent enough to understand.

[Anebriated]

at this point i think it was sarchasm

[Guister]

Simple solution you American degenerate pieces of shit: Drop a bomb on Israel. Why not? Banana fudge Trump has done it many times before.

Oh yeah, and Methais is a twatwaffle.

[Seran]

Banana fudge Trump. Doesn't quite have the same ring as Hamburger Don, or Donald T McDonalds, or even the infamous Orange Man.

[Tgo01]

Couldn't even make it to page 3 before you nitwits brought up Trump.

Just a reminder: Russia didn't invade Ukraine and Hamas didn't invade Israel while Trump was in office.

[Anebriated]

at least we dont have mean tweets anymore.

[~Rocktar~]

Fun fact, Israel offered Palestinians their own state, freedom, independence, everything, many times and the Arabs have turned it down, each time with a wave of blood. At this point, I have no sympathy for them. I heard a saying and don't know the exact origin but it still sounds good.

"There will peace when Palestinian mothers love their children more than they hate Israel."

So much for the "religion of peace". People need to wake up, these people are at war with the whole world, in the Middle East, in Africa, in Europe and soon enough, here. And yet westerner's keep up with the "it's not all the Muslims" BS. Well, where is the PUBLIC condemnation of the violence and bloodshed at the hands of these Islamist extremists? It's silent because at the root, those Islamic countries and prominent leaders are tacitly approving of the attacks. At this point, if Israel invades the West Bank and Gaza and kills Hamas wholesale, good for them. If other countries get involved, I hope Israel kicks their ass and then hold every inch of sand they conquer and hold it forever.


https://youtu.be/76NytvQAIs0?si=Pveiot33IaKNmrgs

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/8EDW88CBo-8?si=VCPGAG-DOYq5l8FK

[~Rocktar~]

And then there is the lovely fact that when the Palestinians were in Jordan and Egypt and so on, they have been pushed out instead of them taking care of their own.

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/sY0FOPa-j-E?si=LmOn5YRMXpLA9OtN

[Suppressed Poet]

https://youtu.be/sY0FOPa-j-E?si=LmOn5YRMXpLA9OtN

Israel should have gave the Palestinians the boot & kicked them out in ‘67 with the Six Day War.

[~Rocktar~]

250 dead, 1500 injured in the initial attacks. This is going to be a bloodbath all the way around.

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/Y9Enx4XxO1E?si=7FgAeDe61ne0yZx0

[Seran]

Israel should have gave the Palestinians the boot & kicked them out in ‘67 with the Six Day War.

It would be a lot easier to protect their borders at that point, but they'll still be under attack from those they kick out. Since the people have accepted rule of a terrorist organization, I'm afraid there's no other choice but to evict.

[Suppressed Poet]

It would be a lot easier to protect their borders at that point, but they'll still be under attack from those they kick out. Since the people have accepted rule of a terrorist organization, I'm afraid there's no other choice but to evict.

This is one of your rare posts that isn’t completely retarded. I agree with your statement. The only choice for Israel is to evict the Palestinians like Pelosi from her private office.

IDF is about to do to Gaza City what we did to Fallujah.

[Solkern]

Couldn't even make it to page 3 before you nitwits brought up Trump.

Just a reminder: Russia didn't invade Ukraine and Hamas didn't invade Israel while Trump was in office.

And took 3 post to blame Biden. Funny.

[Solkern]

Wait, I’m confused, isn’t Israel in the Middle East? Didn’t Trump bring peace to the Middle East or let me guess, this doesn’t count?

Looks like we have every right to blame Trump, since it was his “peace in the Middle East” and it was a failure/not even real.

I remember a few idiots here saying over and over again, “It was Trump that brought peace to the Middle East!!!!!!!!!”

I wonder what gaslighting, excuses, and whataboutisms, some of you are going to use for this.

[Tgo01]

And took 3 post to blame Biden. Funny.

Biden is the current president and gave Iran 6 billion dollars and they fund Hamas.

But you know, facts! What are they good for?

[Tgo01]

Looks like we have every right to blame Trump

You're still just as deluded and insane as ever.

[Solkern]

Biden is the current president and gave Iran 6 billion dollars and they fund Hamas.

But you know, facts! What are they good for?

BUT BUT BUT TRUMP BROUGHT PEACE TO THE MIDDLE EAST?! SO WHY DID THIS HAPPEN? THERE WAS PEACE?!

Did that $6B somehow void the peace in the Middle East? Was there a clause in the peace agreement?

You republicans are so funny.

[Neveragain]

Wait, I’m confused, isn’t Israel in the Middle East? Didn’t Trump bring peace to the Middle East or let me guess, this doesn’t count?

Looks like we have every right to blame Trump, since it was his “peace in the Middle East” and it was a failure/not even real.

I remember a few idiots here saying over and over again, “It was Trump that brought peace to the Middle East!!!!!!!!!”

I wonder what gaslighting, excuses, and whataboutisms, some of you are going to use for this.

2020 was 3 years ago, when do Democrats start taking responsibility for their governance?

[Solkern]

2020 was 3 years ago, when do Democrats start taking responsibility for their governance?

What happened to the “Peace in the Middle East”? There should be no issues since there was peace, right?!

[Neveragain]

What happened to the “Peace in the Middle East”? There should be no issues since there was peace, right?!

Seems we had peace in the Middle East up until you voted Biden into office, 3 years ago.

Coming up on 1,000,000 dead since Biden took office. I guess that's what you get when you knowingly vote for a walking potato.

[Solkern]

Seems we had peace in the Middle East up until you voted Biden into office, 3 years ago.

Coming up on 1,000,000 dead since Biden took office. I guess that's what you get when you knowingly vote for a walking potato.

Oh got it! There was a clause in that peace agreement “void of Biden becomes president” is that right?

Is this you just trying to gaslight your way out of Trump never brought peace to the Middle East, and I’ll just blame Biden for it?

What about all the Missile strikes and killings in the Middle East, after the peace agreement and before Biden became president? Is that peace, or that doesn’t count? What’s your excuse for that? “The Middle East knew Biden would become president”?

Fucking hilarious.

[Neveragain]

Oh got it! There was a clause in that peace agreement “void of Biden becomes president” is that right?

Is this you just trying to gaslight your way out of Trump never brought peace to the Middle East, and I’ll just blame Biden for it?

What about all the Missile strikes and killings in the Middle East, after the peace agreement and before Biden became president? What’s your excuse for that? “The Middle East knew Biden would become president?”

It's in the "Leader of the Free World" part of the clause.

Maybe they should spend less time spying on Boebert in dark theaters, stealing airport luggage, doing cocaine, flashing titties at the Whitehouse and handing 6 billion dollars to sponsors of terrorism. (things you voted for)

[Solkern]

It's in the "Leader of the Free World" part of the clause.

Maybe they should spend less time spying on Boebert in dark theaters, stealing airport luggage, doing cocaine, flashing titties at the Whitehouse and handing 6 billion dollars to sponsors of terrorism. (things you voted for)

So what about all the missile strikes, bombings and killings before Biden and after the “Peace agreement” I love how you keep ignoring that. Those don’t count right? You blame Biden for what happened now, but those that happened on Trump’s watch, aren’t Trump’s fault right? Who on the left do you blame for those?

You Republicans are funny

[Neveragain]

what about

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel

The very year Biden takes office the missile/mortar attacks increased by 40x.

Mostly because Biden is a walking potato and the Democrat caucus is chalk full of pro-Palestine boot lickers.

[Suppressed Poet]

So what about all the missile strikes, bombings and killings before Biden and after the “Peace agreement” I love how you keep ignoring that. Those don’t count right? You blame Biden for what happened now, but those that happened on Trump’s watch, aren’t Trump’s fault right? Who on the left do you blame for those?

You Republicans are funny

I blame Hunter. :rofl:

[Solkern]

I blame Hunter. :rofl:

Hahahahah. You win sir, you win!

[Solkern]

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel

The very year Biden takes office the missile/mortar attacks increased by 40x.

Mostly because Biden is a walking potato and the Democrat caucus is chalk full of pro-Palestine boot lickers.

Of course you ignore it AGAIN. So I’ll ask again. Who’s fault is it when there were bombings, killings and missile strikes during Trump’s presidency and after the peace agreement?

[Anebriated]

And took 3 post to blame Biden. Funny.

because he is in office and it happened under his watch. How did 2 of the best intelligence operations in the world miss this, maybe because he allowed someone with known Iranian intelligence ties into a high ranking position within the NSC. He also greenlit production of up to 3m barrels of oil a day. Trump had it limited to 400k. Biden also increased their foreign exchange reserves from about 6b to 70b. If you want to keep looking, in the final days of the Obama admin they sent 200m to Palestine.

and this isn't even going into how weapons left in Afghanistan or sent to Ukraine are showing up in this fight.

edit: its also really convenient how quickly the left forgot how they attacked every single thing that happened under Trump and blamed him for it yet will not look at this or any other presidency the same way.

[Parkbandit]

Wait, I’m confused

This is painfully obvious on every post you make.

You should thank your lucky stars that Seran will still manage to out-retard your retarded post today.

[Parkbandit]

Oh yeah, and Methais is a twatwaffle.

Oh MacGayver.. so glad you will never, ever be smart enough to hide your alts.

[drauz]

edit: its also really convenient how quickly the left forgot how they attacked every single thing that happened under Trump and blamed him for it yet will not look at this or any other presidency the same way.

You mean to tell me political parties are partisan?

https://media.tenor.com/UZJd1pjj4NMAAAAC/surprised-pikachu.gif

[Solkern]

because he is in office and it happened under his watch. How did 2 of the best intelligence operations in the world miss this, maybe because he allowed someone with known Iranian intelligence ties into a high ranking position within the NSC. He also greenlit production of up to 3m barrels of oil a day. Trump had it limited to 400k. Biden also increased their foreign exchange reserves from about 6b to 70b. If you want to keep looking, in the final days of the Obama admin they sent 200m to Palestine.

and this isn't even going into how weapons left in Afghanistan or sent to Ukraine are showing up in this fight.

edit: its also really convenient how quickly the left forgot how they attacked every single thing that happened under Trump and blamed him for it yet will not look at this or any other presidency the same way.


And you leave out the most important piece of information. Trump brought peace to the Middle East, so none of this should have happened, so what happened? Why can’t a single Republican admit that “Peace in the Middle East” was complete bullshit. Maybe they used this bullshit “Peace in the Middle East” as cover? Who knows, but the 6b or whatever, and everything else that has happened, etc etc should NOT have mattered, because Trump brought peace to the Middle East, right?

Maybe Biden did all these things, because Trump brought peace to the Middle East, have you thought of that? It shouldn’t have been a problem right? I mean, there’s peace, so what’s the issue? Don’t we usually relax things and become more helpful, in peaceful times?

What’s the excuse? The peace was only as long as Trump was president? The peace had clauses? Maybe there was no peace and it was all bullshit? It’s amusing, to hear republicans come up with every single excuse about how it was Biden’s fault. Yet ignore the fact that it was Trump who said he brought peace and stability, and at the same time, there was never peace and never stability the entire time. Bombings, missile strikes, killings during Trump’s presidency, and after this so called peace, is conveniently ignored.

You want us to take responsibility as a party for what happens under our watch, yet the Republicans can’t do what they ask themselves.

Our intelligence agencies under Biden’s watch completely and utterly failed. Is that because, we weren’t expecting anything, because there was “peace”? Who knows? But I can say my party fucked up by missing this.

[Seran]

Biden is the current president and gave Iran 6 billion dollars and they fund Hamas.

But you know, facts! What are they good for?

The only legitimate fact of your first sentence is that Biden is the current president. No one 'gave' Iran anything, that was money held in South Korean banks from oil purchased by South Korean from Iran that was released. Second, none of that six billion dollars has been spent, why, because of the rigorous conditions on spending that was placed on the account where the money was deposited. So we're back to your original statement; Biden is President.

[Seran]

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/palestinian-rocket-and-mortar-attacks-against-israel

The very year Biden takes office the missile/mortar attacks increased by 40x.

Mostly because Biden is a walking potato and the Democrat caucus is chalk full of pro-Palestine boot lickers.


Of course you ignore it AGAIN. So I’ll ask again. Who’s fault is it when there were bombings, killings and missile strikes during Trump’s presidency and after the peace agreement?

The United States isn't responsible for the intel nor defense of Israel, not under Trump, not under Biden, not under Reagan. I get you're mocking Neveragain for his ignorance and stupid inferences, but rejecting the premise as false is the best way to go with him and New_Shaps.

[Guister]

Who cares about Israel?

[~Rocktar~]

At this point, the retard Leftists are of course defending terrorism, Biden who paid for it and allowed it to happen with the lifting of sanctions and supporting Iran is to be expected. So, from now on, I really hope that Israel says "fuck off" to the rest of the world and actually goes whole hog on killing all of Hamas, if Hezbollah wants to get into it, then they should curb stomp them too. The pictures and reports of what these terrorists have done coming out of Israel should be proof enough, there is no treatment too horrible to inflict on terrorists until they are all dead. And if Iran wants to spout off and Israel wants to strike them, good.

So, to highlight how Biden caused this for the morons.

Ended sanctions against Iran letting the export more oil so they get more money.
Ended drilling in the US driving oil prices up so both Russia and Iran make more money on their oil.
Gives Hamas "Foreign aid" that allows them to buy weapons.
Releases 6 billion in cash to Iran which allows them to fund terrorism.

Just wait, once Israel does go after Hamas, give it a week or maybe two and the media and foreign governments will start putting pressure on them to back off and so on.

Fuck that.

[Guister]

Israel is Neo colonialism. An extension of the fuckin US. And everybody hates the US.

[Guister]

At this point, the retard Leftists are of course defending terrorism, Biden who paid for it and allowed it to happen with the lifting of sanctions and supporting Iran is to be expected. So, from now on, I really hope that Israel says "fuck off" to the rest of the world and actually goes whole hog on killing all of Hamas, if Hezbollah wants to get into it, then they should curb stomp them too. The pictures and reports of what these terrorists have done coming out of Israel should be proof enough, there is no treatment too horrible to inflict on terrorists until they are all dead. And if Iran wants to spout off and Israel wants to strike them, good.

So, to highlight how Biden caused this for the morons.

Ended sanctions against Iran letting the export more oil so they get more money.
Ended drilling in the US driving oil prices up so both Russia and Iran make more money on their oil.
Gives Hamas "Foreign aid" that allows them to buy weapons.
Releases 6 billion in cash to Iran which allows them to fund terrorism.

Just wait, once Israel does go after Hamas, give it a week or maybe two and the media and foreign governments will start putting pressure on them to back off and so on.

Fuck that.

You sound like a moron.

How can you say anti-Israel is leftist? Israel is the leftist place in the world. The jews are conservative in how they apply their laws but socially they are liberal.

Politics doesn't matter. It's hegemonic colonialism. AKA war. Aka an extension of US bullshit. It's about land you stupid cunt.

[~Rocktar~]

You sound like a moron.

How can you say anti-Israel is leftist? Israel is the leftist place in the world. The jews are conservative in how they apply their laws but socially they are liberal.

Politics doesn't matter. It's hegemonic colonialism. AKA war. Aka an extension of US bullshit. It's about land you stupid cunt.

Oh fuck off shitbag. They aren't colonizing anything, that's just your excuse to support racism and terrorists.

[~Rocktar~]

And the State Department confirms that Hamas has kidnapped Americans and reports say they slaughtered some German tourists too.

[Anebriated]

And the State Department confirms that Hamas has kidnapped Americans and reports say they slaughtered some German tourists too.

the poor woman being paraded around in the back of the pickup being hit with sticks and spit on was the German citizen who was attending a music festival for peace(reports are that up to 300 are missing from the festival alone) that was right along the border. Theres video where you can see them dancing with the incoming paratroopers in the background. sickening.

[Guister]

Oh fuck off shitbag. They aren't colonizing anything, that's just your excuse to support racism and terrorists.

It's colonialism in a new way. The US controlling Israel is a way of extending their government. It is clear that the US controls Israel, and that Israel is dependant on US support.

[Guister]

If the United States mlitary wasn't backing Israel, it would get swarmed from every single angle (east and west) and it would cease to exist. That land was "given" to them by the United States government after WW2. How can you refute this?

[Guister]

I'll temper my argument so as to not incide riots or accusations of bigotry. Seriously, I'm not for any kind fo war. There is a situation now that we are stuck with, and we have to deal with it. So I get Biden's statements that Israel has the right to declare itself a sovereign nation.

At the same time, history is not completely void. To study history is to learn from it and not repeat the same mistakes.

So, going forward, I am not advocating Israel be marginalized or "retaken" or anything like that. At this point, it should remain. Therefore, it is wrong to wage war on Israel. However, there is colonialism at play. I will try to stand by that argument.

[Guister]

I am not smart or educated on this. I am not a scholar. But I am trying to work this out because perhaps diplomacy can curb the impact of war. To understand Palestine's point of view and side is to pave the way for possible mediation, which seems impossible.

But really, if you were kicked off your land and told to fuck off, how would you feel?

[Suppressed Poet]

I am not smart or educated on this. I am not a scholar.

We noticed.

[Anebriated]

The only legitimate fact of your first sentence is that Biden is the current president. No one 'gave' Iran anything, that was money held in South Korean banks from oil purchased by South Korean from Iran that was released. Second, none of that six billion dollars has been spent, why, because of the rigorous conditions on spending that was placed on the account where the money was deposited. So we're back to your original statement; Biden is President.

This is the dumbest argument anyone can make, even for you. Do you really not understand how than can quickly pivot and take their existing streams of spending and shift them into their war effort because they now have 6b that they can put towards their food/medicine?

[Tgo01]

Seran: What does "fungible" mean?

Also if Biden didn't "give" Iran the 6 billion dollars because Iran "owned" that 6 billion to begin with, why did Biden do a prisoner exchange with Iran as a stipulation for the 6 billion dollars being released?

Seran it's okay if you don't know much about politics. But can you leave the politics to the adults who do?

[Anebriated]

I am not smart or educated on this. I am not a scholar. But I am trying to work this out because perhaps diplomacy can curb the impact of war. To understand Palestine's point of view and side is to pave the way for possible mediation, which seems impossible.

But really, if you were kicked off your land and told to fuck off, how would you feel?

I can respect this and you are right, the root of the issue is the ownership of the land Israel sits on was not always Israel. Depending how deep down the rabbit hold you want to go the Rothchilds are on record saying that they made it happen which makes sense as they control the central banking system that controls the world and have funded both sides of pretty much every war. On top of that it seems like Israel was about to build a new Temple on top of an ancient muslim mosque site. This is why I am avoiding trying to say either side is to blame, however one side is at least acting in a civilized manor and one side is not. In this regard I support Israel defending its borders and protecting its citizens. The problem is that the Hamas and other terror organizations like to use civilians as cover, setting up their command centers and other important strategic sites in major urban centers, residential high-rises, schools and hospitals. There is no good way through this, no good outcome.


The thing that should scare everyone is that there is zero reason this cant happen in the US given the stream of military aged migrants walking across our border. I hope you all have a way to protect the ones you love.

[Suppressed Poet]

I can respect this and you are right, the root of the issue is the ownership of the land Israel sits on was not always Israel. Depending how deep down the rabbit hold you want to go the Rothchilds are on record saying that they made it happen which makes sense as they control the central banking system that controls the world and have funded both sides of pretty much every war. On top of that it seems like Israel was about to build a new Temple on top of an ancient muslim mosque site. This is why I am avoiding trying to say either side is to blame, however one side is at least acting in a civilized manor and one side is not. In this regard I support Israel defending its borders and protecting its citizens. The problem is that the Hamas and other terror organizations like to use civilians as cover, setting up their command centers and other important strategic sites in major urban centers, residential high-rises, schools and hospitals. There is no good way through this, no good outcome.


The thing that should scare everyone is that there is zero reason this cant happen in the US given the stream of military aged migrants walking across our border. I hope you all have a way to protect the ones you love.

I’ll say it. Fuck Hamas & the Palestinians. They are multigenerational refugees. It’s time to give up their claim that they lost long ago by right of conquest. Assimilate or get out.

[Suppressed Poet]

If the United States mlitary wasn't backing Israel, it would get swarmed from every single angle (east and west) and it would cease to exist. That land was "given" to them by the United States government after WW2. How can you refute this?

Eh…it was more so Great Britain that helped found the modern nation of Israel. None of the European countries wanted to take in a bunch of Jewish refugees displaced by WW2 & they kinda deserved a place to call home after what happened to them.

[Parkbandit]

I am not smart or educated on this. I am not a scholar.

Truer words have never been typed out by you before.


But I am trying to work this out because perhaps diplomacy can curb the impact of war. To understand Palestine's point of view and side is to pave the way for possible mediation, which seems impossible.

Palestine doesn't want their own country.. they don't want to negotiate peace... they have been calling for the extermination of jews and the country of Israel for centuries.

How do you negotiate with a mindset like that?


But really, if you were kicked off your land and told to fuck off, how would you feel?

Be tough enough not to get kicked off your land to begin with.

[Anebriated]

wait until we find out exactly how many members of US congress are dual citizens with Israel, 75%? This isnt going to be cheap for the US and feels like the perfect pivot from Ukraine.

[Methais]

Oh got it! There was a clause in that peace agreement “void of Biden becomes president” is that right?

Is this you just trying to gaslight your way out of Trump never brought peace to the Middle East, and I’ll just blame Biden for it?

What about all the Missile strikes and killings in the Middle East, after the peace agreement and before Biden became president? Is that peace, or that doesn’t count? What’s your excuse for that? “The Middle East knew Biden would become president”?

Fucking hilarious.

Was the world in general more peaceful under Trump than it's been since Biden's been in office?

You can say it's all just one great big coincidence as the reason(s) why for all I care, but try to include a definitive "yes" or "no" somewhere in your answer.

[Methais]

And the State Department confirms that Hamas has kidnapped Americans and reports say they slaughtered some German tourists too.

I can't imagine anyone with a fully functional brain waking up one day and being like, "Going on vacation to Israel (or anywhere in the Middle East) sounds like a fantastic idea!"

It's like going on a game show and winning an all expenses paid trip to Compton as the grand prize.

[Methais]

This is the dumbest argument anyone can make, even for you. Do you really not understand how than can quickly pivot and take their existing streams of spending and shift them into their war effort because they now have 6b that they can put towards their food/medicine?

Remember when retards like Seran were going nuts over Elon Musk and how it would only take $6 billion to end world hunger and got super mad at Elon for agreeing to it, but only if it came with a public ledger to track how every dollar was spent?

IRAN COULD END WORLD HUNGER WITH THAT $6B AND BE THE BEST PEOPLE EVER OMG OMG!!!!

[~Rocktar~]

If the United States mlitary wasn't backing Israel, it would get swarmed from every single angle (east and west) and it would cease to exist. That land was "given" to them by the United States government after WW2. How can you refute this?

You are full of shit. There has never been a time when there was NOT a Jewish state there. There was no "given" like you lying dumbass like to say, there was an official recognition of the Jewish state that was already there. And yet, when offered the same was offered to the Arabs, they turned it down. Educate yourself dumbass because you are coming across as a moronic, racist, Leftist prick.

F U C K O F F

[~Rocktar~]

Death toll over 700, 2200 injured, 100 kidnapped.


https://www.timesofisrael.com/death-toll-from-hamas-onslaught-passes-600-over-100-kidnapped-as-israel-strikes-gaza/

[Anebriated]

Remember when retards like Seran were going nuts over Elon Musk and how it would only take $6 billion to end world hunger and got super mad at Elon for agreeing to it, but only if it came with a public ledger to track how every dollar was spent?

IRAN COULD END WORLD HUNGER WITH THAT $6B AND BE THE BEST PEOPLE EVER OMG OMG!!!!

I don't remember if I was here for that or not but nothing about that surprises me.

edit: in other news I use electro culture for the first time this year in my garden and saw a noticeable difference. Going to expand on it next year when I build a few new beds.

[Seran]

Seran: What does "fungible" mean?

Also if Biden didn't "give" Iran the 6 billion dollars because Iran "owned" that 6 billion to begin with, why did Biden do a prisoner exchange with Iran as a stipulation for the 6 billion dollars being released?

Seran it's okay if you don't know much about politics. But can you leave the politics to the adults who do?

I understand incoherent, fact less posts are your thing, but grow up. You need to stop crying about Iranians being given Iranian money

[Anebriated]

Seran, serious question as I am just trying to understand your view point. Are you of middle eastern descent?

[Solkern]

The United States isn't responsible for the intel nor defense of Israel, not under Trump, not under Biden, not under Reagan. I get you're mocking Neveragain for his ignorance and stupid inferences, but rejecting the premise as false is the best way to go with him and New_Shaps.

Yes, I’m quite aware, I just find it funny how they blame Biden for what’s happening now, but when it was happening under Trump’s watch, they conveniently ignore it, or blame someone else.

[Solkern]

Was the world in general more peaceful under Trump than it's been since Biden's been in office?

You can say it's all just one great big coincidence as the reason(s) why for all I care, but try to include a definitive "yes" or "no" somewhere in your answer.

So, who’s to blame for the bombings, missile strikes, and killings in the Middle East under Trump’s presidency, and after the so called “Peace agreement” in the Middle East? You blame Biden for this, do you blame Trump for what happened during his presidency, or are you going to blame someone else?

If you can’t blame Trump, then fuck off, this current situation isn’t Biden’s fault either.

[Anebriated]

So, who’s to blame for the bombings, missile strikes, and killings in the Middle East under Trump’s presidency, and after the so called “Peace agreement” in the Middle East? You blame Biden for this, do you blame Trump for what happened during his presidency, or are you going to blame someone else?

quick question, the abraham accords(the peace agreement that you mentioned) that started to stablize the region, when was that signed?

[Solkern]

quick question, the abraham accords(the peace agreement that you mentioned) that started to stablize the region, when was that signed?

Which portion? Economic was done in 2019 in the political portion was rolled out in January 2020

[Anebriated]

ok, with that established what attacks specifically are you referring to? Ill even give you since 2019. I want to make sure I am addressing what you think happened.

[Solkern]

ok, with that established what attacks specifically are you referring to? Ill even give you since 2019. I want to make sure I am addressing what you think happened.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict_in_20 20


You can look at all the attacks, just in 2020.

Here’s 2019 for you

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Israeli–Palestinian_conflict_in_20 19


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza–Israel_clashes_(November_2019)#:~:text=The%20 Gaza–Israel%20clashes%20(November,attempted%20kill ing%20of%20senior%20PIJ

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gaza%E2%80%93Israel_clashes_(May_2019)#:~:text=A%2 0Gaza%E2%80%93Israel%20conflict%20escalation,an%20 airstrike%2C%20killing%20two%20Palestinians.

[Methais]

So, who’s to blame for the bombings, missile strikes, and killings in the Middle East under Trump’s presidency, and after the so called “Peace agreement” in the Middle East? You blame Biden for this, do you blame Trump for what happened during his presidency, or are you going to blame someone else?

If you can’t blame Trump, then fuck off, this current situation isn’t Biden’s fault either.

I didn't blame anyone for anything. I asked you a simple question, and you gave no answer.

[Solkern]

I didn't blame anyone for anything. I asked you a simple question, and you gave no answer.

You answer my question, by asking me a question? Or you just ignored my question, just to ask yours, then complain when I don’t answer, is that right?

[Anebriated]

terrorists never received protection in that deal. did you even read the list? i stopped reading in march when theyre all "shot and killed after throwing Molotov cocktail at IDF forces". a few civilians were caught up in a few of those listed but that goes back to what I stated where Hamas fights in un-civilized fashion by shielding themselves with civilians. I do not support attacks where civilians could be targets much like I didnt support this attack by the US

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike-video.html

[Solkern]

terrorists never received protection in that deal. did you even read the list? i stopped reading in march when theyre all "shot and killed after throwing Molotov cocktail at IDF forces". a few civilians were caught up in a few of those listed but that goes back to what I stated where Hamas fights in un-civilized fashion by shielding themselves with civilians. I do not support attacks where civilians could be targets much like I didnt support this attack by the US

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike-video.html

A few of them are like that yes, but there are plenty of conflicts that involved air strikes etc etc. that’s some great peace in the Middle East. That list just included all conflicts that happened.

[Solkern]

terrorists never received protection in that deal. did you even read the list? i stopped reading in march when theyre all "shot and killed after throwing Molotov cocktail at IDF forces". a few civilians were caught up in a few of those listed but that goes back to what I stated where Hamas fights in un-civilized fashion by shielding themselves with civilians. I do not support attacks where civilians could be targets much like I didnt support this attack by the US

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/01/19/us/politics/afghanistan-drone-strike-video.html


March 2019
On 25 March, seven people were injured in Israel after a rocket attack destroyed a home in Mishmeret. The Israel Defense Forces confirmed that Hamas was responsible for the attack.[160] The Israeli Air Force sent jets to strike multiple targets in the Gaza Strip, including the office of senior Hamas official Ismail Haniyeh, and Hamas' military intelligence headquarters in Gaza City.

May 2019
On 3 May, two Israeli soldiers were injured by a Palestinian Islamic Jihad sniper from in the Gaza Strip during the weekly protests at the Gaza–Israel border. In response, the Israeli Air Force carried out an airstrike, killing four Palestinians. In addition, two other Palestinians were killed and 60 wounded, 36 of them by Israeli gunfire.

Following this, Gazan militants launched hundreds of rockets at Israel. In response, the Israeli Air Force struck numerous targets within the Gaza Strip. In addition, Israel increased its troop presence near the Gaza–Israel border.

November 2019
Gaza–Israel clashes (November 2019)
The 2019 Gaza–Israel clashes code-named by Israel as Operation Black Belt, took place in November 2019, between the Israel Defense Forces (IDF) and Palestinian Islamic Jihad (PIJ) following the targeted killing of senior PIJ commander Baha Abu al-Ata in Gaza, and the attempted killing of senior PIJ commander Akram al-Ajouri in Damascus, Syria by the IDF. PIJ responded with rocket fire into Israel, including long-range rockets fired towards Tel Aviv, leading to several civilians being wounded. In response to the rocket fire, Israel carried out airstrikes and artillery shelling in the Gaza Strip, killing and wounding several militants as well as civilians. A ceasefire went into effect after 48 hours of clashes,though it was breached by some Palestinian militants.

Just in 2019, if there was peace, why would these be happening? Oh you mean peace only involves some people but not all? If that’s the case, don’t call it “peace in the Middle East” or as Trump likes to call it "Peace to Prosperity: A Vision to Improve the Lives of the Palestinian and Israeli People.

Because it wasn’t, at all.

North Korea and South Korea have more peace than this, and they are technically at war.

Peace involves ending hostilities and conflict between people, that has happened, has it?

[Anebriated]

terrorists never received protection in that deal

.

[Solkern]

.

So, there was no peace, since those are the parties involved in the conflict. You realize that right?

How can anyone call it “peace” when the parties involved in the conflict, don’t count in the peace plan?

Trump: I’ve brought peace to the Middle East, but those that are fighting, aren’t involved in the peace plan, and don’t count!

Quite amusing.

That’s like Biden announcing, we’ve brought peace to the Korean peninsula, and North Korea wasn’t involved in the peace plan at all.

You guys would laugh about it, and call him an idiot, I would as well, but that’s exactly what Trump did.

[Neveragain]

So, there was no peace, since those are the parties involved in the conflict. You realize that right?

How can anyone call it “peace” when the parties involved in the conflict, don’t count?

Because 300+ dead and thousands of rockets is like nothing we have seen until Biden took office.

Imagine trying to weasel your way out of supporting and voting for this shit show.

[Anebriated]

So, there was no peace, since those are the parties involved in the conflict. You realize that right?

How can anyone call it “peace” when the parties involved in the conflict, don’t count in the peace plan?

Trump: I’ve brought peace to the Middle East, but those that are fighting, aren’t involved in the peace plan, and don’t count!

Quite amusing.

That’s like Biden announcing, we’ve brought peace to the Korean peninsula, and North Korea wasn’t involved in the peace plan at all.

You guys would laugh about it, and call him an idiot, I would as well, but that’s exactly what Trump did.

there is a difference between Palastinians and the Hamas.

[Solkern]

there is a difference between Palastinians and the Hamas.

You realize they are Palestinian as well, right? They control the Gaza Strip, and there is no peace involved with them. So there is no peace in the Middle East.

[Solkern]

Because 300+ dead and thousands of rockets is like nothing we have seen until Biden took office.

Imagine trying to weasel your way out of supporting and voting for this shit show.

So that’s why what happened in Trump’s watch doesn’t count? Not enough people died? What’s the minimum for it to count? 100? 200? 300?

God damnit, I guess Trump is to blame for the Anglophone Crisis and Insurgency in Cabo Delgado!

[Solkern]

Damn Israel formally declares war.

[Guister]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYZjOuUnlU

This is an instructional video that summarizes the conflict and its (brief) history.

Points: It is not a centuries-old conflict.

Also, extremist dildo-suckers like Parkbandit are only making the problem worse because they are war mongering idiots coming down on one side.

Fact: almost 7 million palestinians were displaced and turned into refugees when Israel was created after World War I.

Watch this video you ignorant American rejects, go to McDonalds, suck down a big mac, and wack off to your ugly wife. Real shit is going down.

[Parkbandit]

If the United States mlitary wasn't backing Israel, it would get swarmed from every single angle (east and west) and it would cease to exist. That land was "given" to them by the United States government after WW2. How can you refute this?

What?


I am not smart or educated on this.

Oh.. so you are just spouting nonsense because you are not smart or educated.

Carry on.. just know you are wrong on so many levels.

[Parkbandit]

If you can’t blame Trump, then fuck off, this current situation isn’t Biden’s fault either.

Jesus Christ.. you might have beaten Seran on the Retard Scale today.

And that takes a great deal of effort... or just be monumentally stupid.

[Anebriated]

Question for the lefties, if the land does not belong to Israel and they are occupying foreign soil then why are you all so upset that Russia is trying to win back their old territory?

[Guister]

Jesus Christ.. you might have beaten Seran on the Retard Scale today.

And that takes a great deal of effort... or just be monumentally stupid.

I agree with this. Cheese lady Trump, or the banana fudge bandit as I like to call him, is worse than Hitler. He will go down in history as completely fucking up the world.

Anyways...

Yeah it's War in Israel. We've got two wars going on right now, almost three if you include what's happening with China and was it Taiwan? I can't remember.

Anyway, yeah. Fucked up shit. .

But I don't wanna be all doom and gloom and my dark prophecies don't need to go heeded.

I'm gonna keep watching this...

[Guister]

^ I meant to quote the guy who was bashing Trump, not this twit.

[~Rocktar~]

Over 1000 dead now, this is heading to be the bloodiest war ever in Israel since it's founding, including the Yom Kippur war. Keep supporting terrorists you Leftist shits. You know this is a precursor to what can happen here with millions of military age illegals in the country due to your failed policies. I hope Israel goes after then, tells the world to fuck off and doesn't stop until every possible Hamas member, official and supporter and any other terrorist group that wants to join in is a blood stain in the streets.

And woe be to Iran if they decide to strike directly instead of this proxy war they have started. All funded by Obama and Biden policies.




https://youtu.be/Wc8i5NNt2DI?si=t5QMqGw6akAwRXY4

[Parkbandit]

I agree with this. Cheese lady Trump, or the banana fudge bandit as I like to call him, is worse than Hitler.

VERDICT:
I am not smart or educated


He will go down in history as completely fucking up the world.

VERDICT:
I am not smart or educated


Like, up to a billion deaths in the next three or four decades.

VERDICT:
I am not smart or educated


Anyways...

Yeah it's War in Israel. We've got two wars going on right now, almost three if you include what's happening with China and was it Taiwan? I can't remember. Watch Korea, Korea will get screwed over.

VERDICT:
I am not smart or educated


Anyway, yeah. Fucked up shit. World War 3 is coming... Just a matter of when.

VERDICT:
I am not smart or educated


But I don't wanna be all doom and gloom and my dark prophecies don't need to go heeded.

I'm gonna keep watching this...

VERDICT:
I am not smart or educated

[Guister]

Verdict: I lol'd but you seriously need to go suck an egg.

[Parkbandit]

Verdict: I am not smart or educated

https://media2.giphy.com/media/KzyMcEfDh4Jiw/giphy.gif

[Solkern]

Question for the lefties, if the land does not belong to Israel and they are occupying foreign soil then why are you all so upset that Russia is trying to win back their old territory?

You don’t know the history of that area very well do you? Ukraine was around before Russia. So Russia isn’t trying to “win back its old territory”. Next Ukraine was never under the rule of the Russian Federation, and never belonged to them.

Originally, Russia belonged to Ukraine.

Russia can’t just pick some point in history and have everything that came before, mean nothing. If that’s the case, Sweden picks 1648 and St. Petersburg belongs to them.

[Guister]

I dunno. I am torn because I don't want to shock people but I really see a lot of bad things coming in the world.

Plus I am sensitive of peoples' feelings. If someone loves Trump, who am I to call that person out as being unreasonable? That would be unreasonable.

People are varied, different, have different perspectives. I don't want to stir the pot to much. But the disclaimer is that everything I say is simply my own opinion and nothing more.

War is always about land, plain and simple. Russia wants the land that Ukraine is occupying. The Palestinians want the land that Israel is occupying.

When Israel was made a state after WW1, and the Palestinian refugees were created (displaced out of their homeland - I think in the millions), war was immediately waged on the new Israel. Israel fought back, and expanded their land. Hammas was created to terrorize Israel and inflict maximum casualties of all kinds, it is definitely a militant terrorized group, but when you have so many people without homes, really, what do you expect? I mean, I am not sympathizing one way or another. I believe in peace keeping to the greatest extent as possible. So, (again my opinion), I will not come down on either side.

I have love for America, for after all they are people too. I think that when Don took over it was an instant deterioration in global leadership. But hey, that is just my opinion. Expect destructive chaos.

[Anebriated]

You don’t know the history of that area very well do you? Ukraine was around before Russia. So Russia isn’t trying to “win back its old territory”. Next Ukraine was never under the rule of the Russian Federation, and never belonged to them.

Originally, Russia belonged to Ukraine.

This is in fact news to me. I was under the impression that the USSR incorporated Ukraine in 1774 when Catherine the Great defeated the Ottomans and didn't gain its independence until 1920 or so. I do enjoy history, can you give me some material to read on this? I would like to be better informed.

[Solkern]

This is in fact news to me. I was under the impression that the USSR incorporated Ukraine in 1774 when Catherine the Great defeated the Ottomans and didn't gain its independence until 1920 or so. I do enjoy history, can you give me some material to read on this? I would like to be better informed.

Sure, I’m about to board a flight, but when I land, I’ll find some reading material for you. The history between Russia and Ukraine is quite long and complex. Ukraine and Russia’s history for a large part of its history was considered a union of two countries. It’s why a lot of people say “The Ukraine”, aka the Ukrainian Federation.

[Parkbandit]

You don’t know the history of that area very well do you? Ukraine was around before Russia. So Russia isn’t trying to “win back its old territory”. Next Ukraine was never under the rule of the Russian Federation, and never belonged to them.

Originally, Russia belonged to Ukraine.

Russia can’t just pick some point in history and have everything that came before, mean nothing. If that’s the case, Sweden picks 1648 and St. Petersburg belongs to them.

Bro, what?

Got any source for this.. or should we just pretend you are the expert on all things Russia and now Ukrainian?

I literally know nothing about Ukraine or Russia.. but I do know Russia has been around since like the 800s with no mention of Ukraine.

[Suppressed Poet]

Sure, I’m about to board a flight, but when I land, I’ll find some reading material for you. The history between Russia and Ukraine is quite long and complex. Ukraine and Russia’s history for a large part of its history was considered a union of two countries. It’s why a lot of people say “The Ukraine”, aka the Ukrainian Federation.

Buy the onboard Wi-Fi you cheap bastard! I get it free with my Southwest card and I travel way less than you.

Also, I’m with the others and don’t know what you are talking about with Ukraine. There was the USSR, and the Russians monarchy & empire that has been around since the 16th century, and before that all I know are the nations that can form Russia in EU4 like Muscovy. Not calling you a liar but I’m interested to read what you share on the subject.

https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/i-got-mind-control-over-deebo-he-be-like-shut-the-up-i-be-quiet-but-when-he-leave-i-be-talking-again-smokey-d924a.png

[Solkern]

Buy the onboard Wi-Fi you cheap bastard! I get it free with my Southwest card and I travel way less than you.

Also, I’m with the others and don’t know what you are talking about with Ukraine. There was the USSR, and the Russians monarchy & empire that has been around since the 16th century, and before that all I know are the nations that can form Russia in EU4 like Muscovy. Not calling you a liar but I’m interested to read what you share on the subject.

https://cdn.someecards.com/someecards/usercards/i-got-mind-control-over-deebo-he-be-like-shut-the-up-i-be-quiet-but-when-he-leave-i-be-talking-again-smokey-d924a.png

These SEA airlines don’t even have reclining seats!!

Here’s a little bit for you

From Dima Vorobiev, former propagandist for the USSR.

Ukraine was building churches in the 9th century. Russia was still mostly woods and very tribal. Ukraine had a King who's children married into the Romanoff line, the bloodline for that Ukrainian king still exists in Ukraine, the same cannot be said of the Romanoffs'

When did Ukraine become part of
Russia?
"When did Ukraine become part of Russia?"
In the strict sense of words, Ukraine has never been
"part of Russia."
It's complicated
In our books, in the mid-17th century, Ukraine
"joined" pre-imperial Russia. The thing is, at the time, it was considered a "union" headed by the House of Romanov.
The territories of what is now central Ukraine sought the protection of the Tsar in Moscow. But they enjoyed a degree of self-rule. Only over the next few decades were they stripped of the rest of their sovereignty and became as powerless as the ethnically Russian territories.

Confusing designations
Yet, even then, everyone accepted them being separate from the Russian heartland by keeping the designation of Maloróssiya ("Little Russia," or as the Greeks used to look at it, Mikod Pwoid,
"Beachhead Russia") as opposed to Velikorossiya ("Greater Russia," from Greek Mayáln 'Pwoia,
"Extended Russia").
We retained this beachhead meaning for "little" from seafaring Greeks in modern Russian. For example, one of the memoirs of Soviet ruler Leonid Brezhnev was titled "Little Land" (Malaya Zemlya).
It's about a beachhead created and defended by the Soviet army at the Black Sea in WW2. We had a solemn song about it ? with the line "Little Land is a great land."
No bearing on property rights
In other words, the House of Romanov considered them the same kind of property as Russia proper, the Baltics, White Russia, Turkic territories along the Volga River etc. And mind you, the Imperial state itself before 1917 was a property of the House of Romanov!
But doesn't the fact of being the property of the nominally "Russian" empire (our last Tsars were ethnically German) make Ukraine "Russian"?

Our side of the story

According to the consensus formed by the political class in Moscow, it does.
We ruled over them-"we" being aristocrats in the imperial government's service many decades ago who spoke Russian at home and called themselves Russians, right? Logically, the Ukrainians shouldn't object to us, some 140-million-strong nation of the 21st century, claiming Ukraine as "historically part of Russia". President Putin put forward a strong case for it in his seminal article from last year.
The Master's lens
However, the House of Romanov, a rightful master of both Russia and Ukraine, would strongly object to this. It would be absurd for them to accept that a bunch of their lowly commoners calling themselves a "nation" made a claim on the part of the Tzar's hard-earned property.


Kyiv (Capital of Ukraine) is 665 years older than
Moscow. "Kyiv" (Ukraine) was founded in 432 CE. in 1982 it was the 1,500th anniversary. Russia was founded in 1547. If you are talking about Modern Speaking, Ukraine was founded in 1918, and then later was annexed by the Soviet Union, and on August 24th, 1991 Ukraine got its independence, Russia got its independence in December of 1991, so Ukraine "Modernly speaking" is 4 months older than Russia. So to answer your question, Ukraine is older than Russia.

Does Russia have any historical claim to Ukraine besides when they were all in the USSR?
No, Russia ceased to exist after the Russian Revolution.
The USSR claimed that they were not a successor state to Russia to avoid having to repay debts. Any claim by Russia was therefore not transferred to the USSR.
Ukraine was a republic inside the Soviet Union.
Crimea was part of the Russian Republic before
Chrustjev had it transferred to Ukraine. According to international law, such transfers can only be protested for 50 years, which did not happen,
Since the Russian Federation is not a successor to pre-revolution Russia but to the Soviet Union they cannot refer to things happening before 1917.
So Russia does not have any valid claims to Ukraine.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

Goes into details about Kievan Rus, aka Kyiv. Russia was a breakaway region from Ukraine.

[Solkern]

A little more for you, and a good read

https://uapost.us/en/blog/in-12th-century-the-land-is-first-mentioned-as-ukraine-russia-does-not-exist/

For the first time Ukraine was mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle. Not Little Rus’ or something else, but Ukraine. Nobody heard about Moscow and Russia at that time.

The Chronicle includes several components: Lavrentian Chronicle, the Tale of Bygone Years, Chernihiv, Kyiv, Galician–Volhynian Chronicles which described the events from 860’s to 1292’s. Sources of the chronicles are diverse: Palatine chroniclers, palatine letters, ambassadors’ reports, military tales, stories of bystanders, the Greek chronicles and so on.
Ukraine is mentioned for the first time in the Tale of Igor’s Campaign against Polovtsy in 1185.

Many sources identify Kyivan Rus with Ukraine. In some versions, such as Ermolaevsky list (1189-1213 years), Ukraine is called Krajina (country), in Kyiv chronicles – Galich Ukraina.
Also, the name ‘Ukraine’ is mentioned in connection with the death of Pereyaslav Knyaz Volodymyr Glebovich, later in the description of events during Galician-Volyn Knyaz Danylo Romanovych regiment.

The myths of the Russian national consciousness suffered a new blow! First, the study of the gene pool of the Russian people, conducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that genetically Russian are not Slavs, but true-born Finns, that have no difference from Mordovians.
According to the information from the Moscow-based Center of Lev Gumilyov, Russian scientists for the first time in history conducted Russian gene pool research and were shocked by the results! These studies also fully confirmed that the Russians are not Slavs, but only Russian-speaking Finns. Results of the mitochondrial DNA analysis showed that another Russian nearest relatives, except the Finns from Finland are Tatars: Russians are on the same genetic distance of 30 conventional units from the Tartars, which separate them from the Finns! Russian scientists ended the issue concerning myth of the ‘Slavic roots of Russians’: there is nothing from Slavs in Russians! There is only Slavic Russian language, but it has 60-70% of non-Slavic language, so Russian people are not able to understand the language of the Slavs, although the true Slav understands any language because of the similarity of Slavic languages (except Russian). There are Russians in Russia, but not Rus. There always was and will be only Kievan Rus


This really goes into the history and details or Ukraine and Russia.

[Anebriated]

This looks like it ties into the Tartary empire and the mudfloods, no?

[Solkern]

This looks like it ties into the Tartary empire and the mudfloods, no?

That’s a whole other shit storm of history haha

[Anebriated]

So digging into this a little bit, and going back a bit further, Kyiv was once the capital of Kievan Rus', a part of the Rurik dynasty(circa 862). Over time the Rurikids held titles such as Tsar of Russia, Grand Prince of Moscow, Grand Prince of Kiev, and others. The Rurik dynasty eventually was succeeded by the House of Romanov which obviously has heavy ties in Russian history. Now where the lines cross in between im not sure and would need to keep reading and cross checking dates/maps/timelines and as im a couple bourbons into the night, probably wont happen tonight.

[Anebriated]

interesting that the coin of the empire looked like this:

https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/thumb/c/c5/Coin_of_Vladimir_the_Great_%28reverse%29.svg/407px-Coin_of_Vladimir_the_Great_%28reverse%29.svg.png

[Suppressed Poet]

A little more for you, and a good read

https://uapost.us/en/blog/in-12th-century-the-land-is-first-mentioned-as-ukraine-russia-does-not-exist/

For the first time Ukraine was mentioned in the Hypatian Chronicle. Not Little Rus’ or something else, but Ukraine. Nobody heard about Moscow and Russia at that time.

The Chronicle includes several components: Lavrentian Chronicle, the Tale of Bygone Years, Chernihiv, Kyiv, Galician–Volhynian Chronicles which described the events from 860’s to 1292’s. Sources of the chronicles are diverse: Palatine chroniclers, palatine letters, ambassadors’ reports, military tales, stories of bystanders, the Greek chronicles and so on.
Ukraine is mentioned for the first time in the Tale of Igor’s Campaign against Polovtsy in 1185.

Many sources identify Kyivan Rus with Ukraine. In some versions, such as Ermolaevsky list (1189-1213 years), Ukraine is called Krajina (country), in Kyiv chronicles – Galich Ukraina.
Also, the name ‘Ukraine’ is mentioned in connection with the death of Pereyaslav Knyaz Volodymyr Glebovich, later in the description of events during Galician-Volyn Knyaz Danylo Romanovych regiment.

The myths of the Russian national consciousness suffered a new blow! First, the study of the gene pool of the Russian people, conducted by Russian scientists in 2000-2006 showed that genetically Russian are not Slavs, but true-born Finns, that have no difference from Mordovians.
According to the information from the Moscow-based Center of Lev Gumilyov, Russian scientists for the first time in history conducted Russian gene pool research and were shocked by the results! These studies also fully confirmed that the Russians are not Slavs, but only Russian-speaking Finns. Results of the mitochondrial DNA analysis showed that another Russian nearest relatives, except the Finns from Finland are Tatars: Russians are on the same genetic distance of 30 conventional units from the Tartars, which separate them from the Finns! Russian scientists ended the issue concerning myth of the ‘Slavic roots of Russians’: there is nothing from Slavs in Russians! There is only Slavic Russian language, but it has 60-70% of non-Slavic language, so Russian people are not able to understand the language of the Slavs, although the true Slav understands any language because of the similarity of Slavic languages (except Russian). There are Russians in Russia, but not Rus. There always was and will be only Kievan Rus


This really goes into the history and details or Ukraine and Russia.

Interesting and thank you.

So they were treated a bit differently and such, but part of the Russian Empire. I get what you’re saying about USSR and the dissolution. I don’t know man…I get how Ukrainians see it but I also don’t think it’s completely false for Russia to think it should be part of their national territory since it had been for hundreds of years.

Thing is, Putin is definitely an enemy to the United States and I would love for Ukraine to win the war & cede no territory. I don’t think that is going to happen though by the numbers. Russia has the manpower & firepower (even if a lot of it is janky Soviet shit falling apart). The United States has no formal plan or policy for this war except throwing bad money & equipment at it. If we weren’t having inflation issues and massive deficit I’d wouldn’t be as concerned. Ukraine is not an NATO member (and for good reason). It is a national security risk the longer this war drags out with a possible WW3 situation, so other than keeping the war machines busy domestically it’s in our best interest to reach peace. Putin can’t afford to lose this war and is unchallenged domestically because he is keeping the right people in Moscow happy. They will take, at minimum, the Donetsk region.

[Solkern]

Interesting and thank you.

So they were treated a bit differently and such, but part of the Russian Empire. I get what you’re saying about USSR and the dissolution. I don’t know man…I get how Ukrainians see it but I also don’t think it’s completely false for Russia to think it should be part of their national territory since it had been for hundreds of years.

With that thinking, the mongols, Italians and a ton of other countries that controlled areas for 100’s of years, can make that same exact claim?

[Anebriated]

With that thinking, the mongols, Italians and a ton of other countries that controlled areas for 100’s of years, can make that same exact claim?

Isn't that kind of the point though? where do you draw the line? You can say Ukraine dates Russia and has claim to the land, but wouldn't the others as well?

[Suppressed Poet]

With that thinking, the mongols, Italians and a ton of other countries that controlled areas for 100’s of years, can make that same exact claim?

Yes.

I’m not saying it’s right, but that’s kind of how the world works. Especially so when you have a dictator hell bent on restoring the “glory” of the nation from Soviet times, which wasn’t that long ago. At any rate, we don’t owe Ukraine anything. The decision on how much to support Ukraine in their war should be based on our own national interests, and I spelled out my reasons why that should have limits.

[Anebriated]

The US hasnt even been a country for 250 years yet. Do we have to give it back to the indigenous?

[Anebriated]

I will say that almost every war has been fought because of bankers. Most recently its been central banking countries vs those who have not adopted the central banking system. Do with that information what you will.

[Tgo01]

Do we have to give it back to the indigenous?

Whenever leftists talk about giving land back to the American Indians I always have to laugh at the tribe who holds claim to the land Mount Rushmore is on. This tribe literally killed another tribe who claimed that land as their own, then this new tribe moved in, called the land sacred land, and now wants this land back after they lost it in a war even though they got this land through warfare to begin with.

[Anebriated]

Seeing reports that Israel is using white phosphorus in populated areas. Really hoping these reports are false, if its true then its a legitimate war crime.

[Suppressed Poet]

Israel should give land back to the Philistines since they took it from them back in the Iron Age . :rofl:

[Tgo01]

I didn't know Seran was Jennifer Rubin:

https://twitter.com/JRubinBlogger/status/1710735911418315152?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw

"How about this: With US House in chaos and US military promotions on hold, Hamas struck. Republicans' weakness invites terror."

[Anebriated]

Israel announced that it was loosening its gun laws. Instead of in person interviews for those that qualify they’ll have phone interviews and they’ll have their permits in a week. Hope nothing bad happens before then.

[~Rocktar~]

Seeing reports that Israel is using white phosphorus in populated areas. Really hoping these reports are false, if its true then its a legitimate war crime.

So is specifically targeting civilians, women and children which is what Hamas did. When you violate the Geneva convention, then it really just becomes a checklist.

Straight from Islam: Qisas or Qiṣāṣ is an Islamic term interpreted to mean "retaliation in kind", "eye for an eye", or retributive justice.

[Anebriated]

So is specifically targeting civilians, women and children which is what Hamas did. When you violate the Geneva convention, then it really just becomes a checklist.

Straight from Islam: Qisas or Qiṣāṣ is an Islamic term interpreted to mean "retaliation in kind", "eye for an eye", or retributive justice.

This is the difference between civilized society and terrorist organizations.

[Seran]

Interesting and thank you.

So they were treated a bit differently and such, but part of the Russian Empire. I get what you’re saying about USSR and the dissolution. I don’t know man…I get how Ukrainians see it but I also don’t think it’s completely false for Russia to think it should be part of their national territory since it had been for hundreds of years.

Thing is, Putin is definitely an enemy to the United States and I would love for Ukraine to win the war & cede no territory. I don’t think that is going to happen though by the numbers. Russia has the manpower & firepower (even if a lot of it is janky Soviet shit falling apart). The United States has no formal plan or policy for this war except throwing bad money & equipment at it. If we weren’t having inflation issues and massive deficit I’d wouldn’t be as concerned. Ukraine is not an NATO member (and for good reason). It is a national security risk the longer this war drags out with a possible WW3 situation, so other than keeping the war machines busy domestically it’s in our best interest to reach peace. Putin can’t afford to lose this war and is unchallenged domestically because he is keeping the right people in Moscow happy. They will take, at minimum, the Donetsk region.

One of his men is going to put him down like a rabid dog long before it comes to that, if his health issues don't finish him off soon. I'm not entirely sure about this faux-conciliatory mien you've adopted, but some of your colleagues are defiantly rooting for Russia to become the dominate world power with Ukraine being the first step. Are you also secretly pro-Putin like the rest of the ultraconservatives, or am I misunderstanding.

[Suppressed Poet]

One of his men is going to put him down like a rabid dog long before it comes to that, if his health issues don't finish him off soon. I'm not entirely sure about this faux-conciliatory mien you've adopted, but some of your colleagues are defiantly rooting for Russia to become the dominate world power with Ukraine being the first step. Are you also secretly pro-Putin like the rest of the ultraconservatives, or am I misunderstanding.

You are misunderstanding, as usual.

[Solkern]

This is the difference between civilized society and terrorist organizations.

Thank you for pointing this out.

[Guister]

You are full of shit. There has never been a time when there was NOT a Jewish state there. There was no "given" like you lying dumbass like to say, there was an official recognition of the Jewish state that was already there. And yet, when offered the same was offered to the Arabs, they turned it down. Educate yourself dumbass because you are coming across as a moronic, racist, Leftist prick.

F U C K O F F

Hey asshole. You sound like a fuckin' retard.

Here's a history lesson for your little girl brain:

Ancient Israel was a thing. Fast forward almost 2,000 years and now you have Israel "reclaiming" the land in the name of holocaust reparations. Unfortunately, as edicted by the British after WW1, 7 million palestinians were kicked out of their land (non-euphamism for displacement) and have been homeless or forced to live in little communities for 70+ years. Now, can you imagine why Hammas was eventually formed and why people in the area hate Israel? It is not antisemitic to say that it is fucked and notice that kicking people off their land for political gain and to further the United States (more hamburgers) is a messed up principal.

Now go drown your head in a toilet.

[Guister]

These SEA airlines don’t even have reclining seats!!

Here’s a little bit for you

From Dima Vorobiev, former propagandist for the USSR.

Ukraine was building churches in the 9th century. Russia was still mostly woods and very tribal. Ukraine had a King who's children married into the Romanoff line, the bloodline for that Ukrainian king still exists in Ukraine, the same cannot be said of the Romanoffs'

When did Ukraine become part of
Russia?
"When did Ukraine become part of Russia?"
In the strict sense of words, Ukraine has never been
"part of Russia."
It's complicated
In our books, in the mid-17th century, Ukraine
"joined" pre-imperial Russia. The thing is, at the time, it was considered a "union" headed by the House of Romanov.
The territories of what is now central Ukraine sought the protection of the Tsar in Moscow. But they enjoyed a degree of self-rule. Only over the next few decades were they stripped of the rest of their sovereignty and became as powerless as the ethnically Russian territories.

Confusing designations
Yet, even then, everyone accepted them being separate from the Russian heartland by keeping the designation of Maloróssiya ("Little Russia," or as the Greeks used to look at it, Mikod Pwoid,
"Beachhead Russia") as opposed to Velikorossiya ("Greater Russia," from Greek Mayáln 'Pwoia,
"Extended Russia").
We retained this beachhead meaning for "little" from seafaring Greeks in modern Russian. For example, one of the memoirs of Soviet ruler Leonid Brezhnev was titled "Little Land" (Malaya Zemlya).
It's about a beachhead created and defended by the Soviet army at the Black Sea in WW2. We had a solemn song about it ? with the line "Little Land is a great land."
No bearing on property rights
In other words, the House of Romanov considered them the same kind of property as Russia proper, the Baltics, White Russia, Turkic territories along the Volga River etc. And mind you, the Imperial state itself before 1917 was a property of the House of Romanov!
But doesn't the fact of being the property of the nominally "Russian" empire (our last Tsars were ethnically German) make Ukraine "Russian"?

Our side of the story

According to the consensus formed by the political class in Moscow, it does.
We ruled over them-"we" being aristocrats in the imperial government's service many decades ago who spoke Russian at home and called themselves Russians, right? Logically, the Ukrainians shouldn't object to us, some 140-million-strong nation of the 21st century, claiming Ukraine as "historically part of Russia". President Putin put forward a strong case for it in his seminal article from last year.
The Master's lens
However, the House of Romanov, a rightful master of both Russia and Ukraine, would strongly object to this. It would be absurd for them to accept that a bunch of their lowly commoners calling themselves a "nation" made a claim on the part of the Tzar's hard-earned property.


Kyiv (Capital of Ukraine) is 665 years older than
Moscow. "Kyiv" (Ukraine) was founded in 432 CE. in 1982 it was the 1,500th anniversary. Russia was founded in 1547. If you are talking about Modern Speaking, Ukraine was founded in 1918, and then later was annexed by the Soviet Union, and on August 24th, 1991 Ukraine got its independence, Russia got its independence in December of 1991, so Ukraine "Modernly speaking" is 4 months older than Russia. So to answer your question, Ukraine is older than Russia.

Does Russia have any historical claim to Ukraine besides when they were all in the USSR?
No, Russia ceased to exist after the Russian Revolution.
The USSR claimed that they were not a successor state to Russia to avoid having to repay debts. Any claim by Russia was therefore not transferred to the USSR.
Ukraine was a republic inside the Soviet Union.
Crimea was part of the Russian Republic before
Chrustjev had it transferred to Ukraine. According to international law, such transfers can only be protested for 50 years, which did not happen,
Since the Russian Federation is not a successor to pre-revolution Russia but to the Soviet Union they cannot refer to things happening before 1917.
So Russia does not have any valid claims to Ukraine.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

Goes into details about Kievan Rus, aka Kyiv. Russia was a breakaway region from Ukraine.

Why is this fucker copying and pasting from wikipedia??

[Guister]

Interesting and thank you.

So they were treated a bit differently and such, but part of the Russian Empire. I get what you’re saying about USSR and the dissolution. I don’t know man…I get how Ukrainians see it but I also don’t think it’s completely false for Russia to think it should be part of their national territory since it had been for hundreds of years.

Thing is, Putin is definitely an enemy to the United States and I would love for Ukraine to win the war & cede no territory. I don’t think that is going to happen though by the numbers. Russia has the manpower & firepower (even if a lot of it is janky Soviet shit falling apart). The United States has no formal plan or policy for this war except throwing bad money & equipment at it. If we weren’t having inflation issues and massive deficit I’d wouldn’t be as concerned. Ukraine is not an NATO member (and for good reason). It is a national security risk the longer this war drags out with a possible WW3 situation, so other than keeping the war machines busy domestically it’s in our best interest to reach peace. Putin can’t afford to lose this war and is unchallenged domestically because he is keeping the right people in Moscow happy. They will take, at minimum, the Donetsk region.

I heard a UN official on the news say the following:

If Russia loses the war, nothing happens.

If Ukraine loses the war, there will be no Ukraine.

Realllly makes ya think.

[Guister]

I will say that almost every war has been fought because of bankers. Most recently its been central banking countries vs those who have not adopted the central banking system. Do with that information what you will.

How much weed have you smoked today?

[Guister]

When you stop to think about it, why are borders necessary?

[Anebriated]

How much weed have you smoked today?

None unfortunately, I know I have a drug test coming up in a couple months.

[Anebriated]

When you stop to think about it, why are borders necessary?

I think Israel and Ukraine would both say that they are necessary

[~Rocktar~]

Ancient Israel was a thing.

So I am right.


Fast forward almost 2,000 years and now you have Israel "reclaiming" the land in the name of holocaust reparations. Unfortunately, as edicted by the British after WW1, 7 million palestinians were kicked out of their land (non-euphamism for displacement) and have been homeless or forced to live in little communities for 70+ years. Now, can you imagine why Hammas was eventually formed and why people in the area hate Israel?

So, when given the choice by Britain at the time to have their own country on most of the same land so there was much less displacement, they chose no. When given the choice 6 times through history to have their own country, they have said no. This isn't a new thing. They hate Israel because they are Muslim and their idiot leaders, for as long as Islam has existed, has told them to hate Jews. Before Islam, as Arabs, they hated Jews because the Jews typically did better than them in the same areas. It's all anti-semitism from the word go. Racism at it's finest and every racist, Leftist apologist like yourself are just covering for it.

It went from "we hate those doing better than us" to "we hate Jews". And it continues today as a religious war because dumb people keep listening to evil Imams and other leaders telling them to hate because 'Allah said so.'

Now fuck off, you and your Leftist shills got played again by Iran, just like Obama did and just like after Obama did, you gave them cash and they funded terrorism. All the blood is on your hands. I hope when they bring their fundamentalist shit here in open war that you live long enough to see the horrors of your creation. Sadly, a lot of genuinely good people are going to die between now and then.

[Solkern]

Isn't that kind of the point though? where do you draw the line? You can say Ukraine dates Russia and has claim to the land, but wouldn't the others as well?

Interesting point. While Russia and Ukraine do have close ties, Ukraine is its own country, it was founded before Russia, and has a long history not under Russian “rule” even then, when the Russian empire collapsed, they voided all claims and stakes to Ukraine, and 1991 reinforced that as well. Ukraine has always been in a union with Russia, the USSR was a collection of states, but not in the way America is, it’s was more like the EU in a way.

One country claiming it has a “historical right” is bullshit. Or else China would have a claim to Eastern Russia, England ruled America for almost 150-200 years, Finland would have a stake for northern Russia. Etc etc

No other country makes these “claims” that Russia makes, because they all know they are bullshit. Just like if England made the claim, you would laugh and call it bullshit, or if Russia made its claim for Alaska.

[Anebriated]

China is claiming Taiwan but that probably isnt the best example...

https://twitter.com/i/status/1711313854138118366

happened to stumble across this video this morning which spells out a lot. Whether you want to believe it or not is up to you. I like to read/watch as much as possible and see what I can poke holes in and this has definitely led me down some rabbit holes but the banker wars are why our world is where it is right now.

[Solkern]

China is claiming Taiwan but that probably isnt the best example...

Haha, nope, it’s not. China has zero historical ties to that island. They only want it because the people who live there are/were Chinese. But I think it’s mainly because of TSMC.

[Anebriated]

Haha, nope, it’s not. China has zero historical ties to that island. They only want it because the people who live there are/were Chinese. But I think it’s mainly because of TSMC.

/puts on tin foil hat



just like Ukraine, the US has a lot of bio-labs in Taiwan and the entire world relies on their semi-conductors. China can deal a blow to the world and remove a threat from their doorstep.

[Solkern]

/puts on tin foil hat



just like Ukraine, the US has a lot of bio-labs in Taiwan and the entire world relies on their semi-conductors. China can deal a blow to the world and remove a threat from their doorstep.

I’m 99% sure if China ever invaded Taiwan has everything backed up and ready to go in the states, last I checked the first thing Taiwan would do is blow up TSMC. I’m sure China knows this, plus watching Russia fail in Ukraine are the main reasons an invasion will never happen.

[Suppressed Poet]

When you stop to think about it, why are borders necessary?

Without borders, nations do not exist. They are necessary if you don’t want to live in a world government. Maybe you do.

[Suppressed Poet]

Haha, nope, it’s not. China has zero historical ties to that island. They only want it because the people who live there are/were Chinese. But I think it’s mainly because of TSMC.

This is not entirely true. The Qing dynasty ruled Taiwan for some two hundred years until Japan took it in the first Sino-Japanese war. It returned to Chinese control in 1945, and then there is the whole communists vs nationalist with the ROC fleeing there in 1949.

That being said, China can’t have Taiwan. It’s too strategically important to the US, and I dare say worth going to war over if they invade.

[Methais]

You answer my question, by asking me a question? Or you just ignored my question, just to ask yours, then complain when I don’t answer, is that right?

I suppose I could have just skipped the quote and opened with "Hey Solkern..." with no quote, since the quote was just so you'd see that I was asking you specifically, but I'll even go the extra mile for you here if it makes you feel better. And also to see how your next tapdance goes.

Anyway...


So, who’s to blame for the bombings, missile strikes, and killings in the Middle East under Trump’s presidency, and after the so called “Peace agreement” in the Middle East? You blame Biden for this, do you blame Trump for what happened during his presidency, or are you going to blame someone else?

The people who are to blame, both under Trump and under Biden (and under Obama or Bush or Clinton, etc.) are the terrorists that are blowing shit up. Know why? Because they're pieces of shit and they've been pieces of shit for centuries longer than the US has even existed.


Now that that's settled, let's try again. I'll even remove names from the question if that makes you feel better too.



Hey Solkern, was the world in general more peaceful between 2017-2020 than it's been from 2021 going forward?

It's a very simple yes or no question. Try to include that somewhere before your essay begins.

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iRYZjOuUnlU

This is an instructional video that summarizes the conflict and its (brief) history.

Points: It is not a centuries-old conflict.

Also, extremist dildo-suckers like Parkbandit are only making the problem worse because they are war mongering idiots coming down on one side.

Fact: almost 7 million palestinians were displaced and turned into refugees when Israel was created after World War I.

Watch this video you ignorant American rejects, go to McDonalds, suck down a big mac, and wack off to your ugly wife. Real shit is going down.

Settle down there macgayver.

[Parkbandit]

Why is this fucker copying and pasting from wikipedia??

We call him Shirley.

https://y.yarn.co/56d43746-d837-43e9-9167-acd8dcce80b0_text.gif

[Methais]

You don’t know the history of that area very well do you? Ukraine was around before Russia. So Russia isn’t trying to “win back its old territory”. Next Ukraine was never under the rule of the Russian Federation, and never belonged to them.

Originally, Russia belonged to Ukraine.

Russia can’t just pick some point in history and have everything that came before, mean nothing. If that’s the case, Sweden picks 1648 and St. Petersburg belongs to them.

Why the fuck is that our problem?

[Solkern]

I suppose I could have just skipped the quote and opened with "Hey Solkern..." with no quote, since the quote was just so you'd see that I was asking you specifically, but I'll even go the extra mile for you here if it makes you feel better. And also to see how your next tapdance goes.

Anyway...



The people who are to blame, both under Trump and under Biden (and under Obama or Bush or Clinton, etc.) are the terrorists that are blowing shit up. Know why? Because they're pieces of shit and they've been pieces of shit for centuries longer than the US has even existed.


Now that that's settled, let's try again. I'll even remove names from the question if that makes you feel better too.



Hey Solkern, was the world in general more peaceful between 2017-2020 than it's been from 2021 going forward?

It's a very simple yes or no question. Try to include that somewhere before your essay begins.


Sorry Methais, no it wasn’t. According to Google, there were around 225 armed conflicts world wide from 2017-2020, and around 125 since 2021.

That’s average of over 56 conflicts each year during Trump’s presidency each year, and only 46 under Biden.

But go ahead, alter the question, so you can get the answer you want.

If you want to go by deaths, you’re still wrong.

[Solkern]

Why the fuck is that our problem?

And who said it was? We were discussing the history of the area. Maybe if you read, you might have understood that.

[Guister]

So I am right.



So, when given the choice by Britain at the time to have their own country on most of the same land so there was much less displacement, they chose no. When given the choice 6 times through history to have their own country, they have said no. This isn't a new thing. They hate Israel because they are Muslim and their idiot leaders, for as long as Islam has existed, has told them to hate Jews. Before Islam, as Arabs, they hated Jews because the Jews typically did better than them in the same areas. It's all anti-semitism from the word go. Racism at it's finest and every racist, Leftist apologist like yourself are just covering for it.

It went from "we hate those doing better than us" to "we hate Jews". And it continues today as a religious war because dumb people keep listening to evil Imams and other leaders telling them to hate because 'Allah said so.'

Now fuck off, you and your Leftist shills got played again by Iran, just like Obama did and just like after Obama did, you gave them cash and they funded terrorism. All the blood is on your hands. I hope when they bring their fundamentalist shit here in open war that you live long enough to see the horrors of your creation. Sadly, a lot of genuinely good people are going to die between now and then.

This guy's obviously crazy, so I will spend no further time on him.

[Guister]

Without borders, nations do not exist. They are necessary if you don’t want to live in a world government. Maybe you do.

I honestly do wanna live in a world without borders.

We should be focusing our conquest on intersteller colonization, and fuckin' up aliens. Not worrying about whether the fuckin palestinians are allowed into Israel or the Israelites are allowed into the US or some other bullshit. It's all a big joke.

But how would you first, make the transition to a borderless world, and second of all, organize people? There would have to be technology like internet referendums on matters, and electing a global leader would be hard. But really, the globalization is a movement in a world I'd like to get behind!

[Guister]

We call him Shirley.

https://y.yarn.co/56d43746-d837-43e9-9167-acd8dcce80b0_text.gif

Does Shirley have bitch-tits?

[Suppressed Poet]

And who said it was? We were discussing the history of the area. Maybe if you read, you might have understood that.

I feel like there are two conflicting personalities that live inside the mind of most Europeans. One of them says they hate America for being the world’s police and pushing our influence everywhere. The other one says we need your military & resources to save us, big brother.

[Anebriated]

Sorry Methais, no it wasn’t. According to Google, there were around 225 armed conflicts world wide from 2017-2020, and around 125 since 2021.

That’s average of over 56 conflicts each year during Trump’s presidency each year, and only 46 under Biden.

But go ahead, alter the question, so you can get the answer you want.

If you want to go by deaths, you’re still wrong.

So what you’re saying is that the world was a little safer after the diplomatic portion of the Abraham accords was signed(Sept 2020, right before the election). And it took Biden 3 years to destroy it?

[Solkern]

I feel like there are two conflicting personalities that live inside the mind of most Europeans. One of them says they hate America for being the world’s police and pushing our influence everywhere. The other one says we need your military & resources to save us, big brother.

You know, I 100% agree. A lot of people always talk shit about America, I think it’s mostly from envy. Yet we are the first ones they call when they need help.

[Anebriated]

Sorry Methais, no it wasn’t. According to Google, there were around 225 armed conflicts world wide from 2017-2020, and around 125 since 2021.

That’s average of over 56 conflicts each year during Trump’s presidency each year, and only 46 under Biden.

But go ahead, alter the question, so you can get the answer you want.

If you want to go by deaths, you’re still wrong.

So what you’re saying is that the world was a little safer after the diplomatic portion of the Abraham accords was signed(Sept 2020, right before the election). And it took Biden 3 years to destroy it?

[Solkern]

So what you’re saying is that the world was a little safer after the diplomatic portion of the Abraham accords was signed(Sept 2020, right before the election). And it took Biden 3 years to destroy it?

Very few of those armed conflicts happened in the Middle East. Most were based in Africa.

[Anebriated]

I honestly do wanna live in a world without borders.

We should be focusing our conquest on intersteller colonization, and fuckin' up aliens. Not worrying about whether the fuckin palestinians are allowed into Israel or the Israelites are allowed into the US or some other bullshit. It's all a big joke.

But how would you first, make the transition to a borderless world, and second of all, organize people? There would have to be technology like internet referendums on matters, and electing a global leader would be hard. But really, the globalization is a movement in a world I'd like to get behind!

The best option is to live in a world with borders but the freedom to move through them. We need to focus on economic prosperity for everyone so everyone has the chance to manifest their own destiny. This can never happen under the WEF thumb.

[Solkern]

The best option is to live in a world with borders but the freedom to move through them. We need to focus on economic prosperity for everyone so everyone has the chance to manifest their own destiny. This can never happen under the WEF thumb.

I dream of the fully electronic passport. I’m so tired of this peace of shit book that falls apart after minor use.

[Anebriated]

Very few of those armed conflicts happened in the Middle East. Most were based in Africa.

You mean countries like Bahrain, Morocco and Sudan?

Or are you saying that if we remove African countries from the equation the numbers will be even better?

[Solkern]

The best option is to live in a world with borders but the freedom to move through them. We need to focus on economic prosperity for everyone so everyone has the chance to manifest their own destiny. This can never happen under the WEF thumb.

IIRC, on paper, isn’t communism like the best form of government?

[Parkbandit]

Does Shirley have bitch-tits?

Wouldn't know... wouldn't care.

I'll leave you to dream about other dude's and what their bodies are like.

[Solkern]

You mean countries like Bahrain and Morocco?

Or are you saying that if we remove African countries from the equation the numbers will be even better?

Africa is responsible for the majority of all conflicts since 2017 or some shit. I didn’t go in and actually crunch the numbers.

[Parkbandit]

You know, I 100% agree. A lot of people always talk shit about America, I think it’s mostly from envy. Yet we are the first ones they call when they need help.

This from the guy who said he doesn't like Trump because his foreign "friends" won't move to America because of Trump...

[Suppressed Poet]

I honestly do wanna live in a world without borders.

We should be focusing our conquest on intersteller colonization, and fuckin' up aliens. Not worrying about whether the fuckin palestinians are allowed into Israel or the Israelites are allowed into the US or some other bullshit. It's all a big joke.

But how would you first, make the transition to a borderless world, and second of all, organize people? There would have to be technology like internet referendums on matters, and electing a global leader would be hard. But really, the globalization is a movement in a world I'd like to get behind!

I don’t disagree that is where humanity is heading. We’re not ready for either a single universal government or interstellar colonization.

[Anebriated]

I dream of the fully electronic passport. I’m so tired of this peace of shit book that falls apart after minor use.

I’m fine with that as long as it’s not a microchip in my body.

[Parkbandit]

IIRC, on paper, isn’t communism like the best form of government?

If we don't take into account reality and human nature... yes.

But I don't live in a world that is written on paper.

[Solkern]

I’m fine with that as long as it’s not a microchip in my body.

Yeah, I’d be against that as well.

[Anebriated]

Africa is responsible for the majority of all conflicts since 2017 or some shit. I didn’t go in and actually crunch the numbers.

So what are we actually talking about then? You’re going backwards. France is one of the largest colonial powers of Africa, why would they let this happen under their watch, or is it all ok as long as the countries keep mining gold and other natural resources for them?

[Solkern]

I don’t disagree that is where humanity is heading. We’re not ready for either a single universal government or interstellar colonization.

We need to start small, like Sharks with freaking lasers on their heads, and work our way up.

[Methais]

The US hasnt even been a country for 250 years yet. Do we have to give it back to the indigenous?

According to retards like Seran and all the other triggered retards like him who are out virtue signaling for Columbus Day today, yes. But only for other people. The people crying about it have decided that they get a pass and can stay. But everyone else has to go.

[Solkern]

So what are we actually talking about then? You’re going backwards. France is one of the largest colonial powers of Africa, why would they let this happen under their watch, or is it all ok as long as the countries keep mining gold and other natural resources for them?

I’m not well versed in the geopolitical landscape happening in Africa, so I really can’t comment.

Methais asked if the world was generally more peaceful from 2017-2020 than 2021 to now. The answer to that question is no.

[Anebriated]

I think we all know that the lens of that question was related to Trump admin vs Biden admin and the US had very minimal impact in that region in either presidency unfortunately.

[Methais]

Sorry Methais, no it wasn’t. According to Google, there were around 225 armed conflicts world wide from 2017-2020, and around 125 since 2021.

That’s average of over 56 conflicts each year during Trump’s presidency each year, and only 46 under Biden.

But go ahead, alter the question, so you can get the answer you want.

If you want to go by deaths, you’re still wrong.

Send me the "according to Google" link you used so I can become enlightened like you.



And who said it was?

Everyone who's responsible for the tens of billions of our tax dollars that are being pissed away over there right now, for one.

[~Rocktar~]

This guy's obviously crazy, so I will spend no further time on him.

Yep, you can't deal with facts because they don't support you simping for terrorists.


You know, I 100% agree. A lot of people always talk shit about America, I think it’s mostly from envy. Yet we are the first ones they call when they need help.

Which is why I say, I might care what Europe thinks when they pay their own defense bill and meet their treaty obligations in NATO for something like 5 to 10 years.

Everyone wants what America has but they don't want to pay the 250 years of blood, sweat and treasure to have it. They all think that you can bomb somewhere or pass some law or make some declaration and in 5 years they are all living like Americans. Sorry to say, you have to pony up the decades to educate your population, you have to build a strong foundation of personal responsibility, personal property rights and personal innovation and you have to stop expecting someone else to hand it to you. Unfortunately, we took in all the outliers from Europe and built a nation and they are too filled with the collectivists to innovate. The rest of the world simply hasn't put in the effort. Sadly, the collectivist whiners have infected America and taken advantage of our good nature and it's killing us.

[Solkern]

Send me the "according to Google" link you used so I can become enlightened like you.




Everyone who's responsible for the tens of billions of our tax dollars that are being pissed away over there right now, for one.


You can do a Google search like I did for “armed conflicts in 20XX” and get the numbers.

[Suppressed Poet]

Modern historical African conflicts are mainly the result of decolonization in the continent & warlords taking advantage of the power vacuum. Rhodesia was a decent civilized place even if had apartheid issues that could have been reformed. Tell me I’m wrong.

[Methais]

You can do a Google search like I did for “armed conflicts in 20XX” and get the numbers.

I want the specific link you clicked, so that there is no confusion or differences in the numbers. Since you know, Google will give you 43724982374320 results for literally any search, and the contents of said results tend to have varying information in them.

Should be a simple copy/paste, no? Sourcing your info is pretty commonplace and all.

[Suppressed Poet]

You know, I 100% agree. A lot of people always talk shit about America, I think it’s mostly from envy. Yet we are the first ones they call when they need help.

https://media.tenor.com/Vj8hakcs8LYAAAAC/they-hate-us-they-aint-us.gif

[Suppressed Poet]

We need to start small, like Sharks with freaking lasers on their heads, and work our way up.

We need a new Austin Powers film, but this one compares & contrasts the 2020s to the 1990s. (Like they did the 90s to the 60s in the earlier films).

[Anebriated]

I would love to see what Austin thinks of tinder.

[Methais]

https://media.tenor.com/Vj8hakcs8LYAAAAC/they-hate-us-they-aint-us.gif

https://media2.giphy.com/media/HUbUlOuDee8bC/giphy.gif

[Anebriated]

Some of the largest events on the global stage since 9/11 and Biden called a lid before noon. Congrats everyone, no more mean tweets.

[Suppressed Poet]

https://media2.giphy.com/media/HUbUlOuDee8bC/giphy.gif

Exactly. Either one rings true. :rofl:

[Methais]

We need a new Austin Powers film, but this one compares & contrasts the 2020s to the 1990s. (Like they did the 90s to the 60s in the earlier films).


I would love to see what Austin thinks of tinder.

It would never work because Austin wouldn't be able to react accurately to his first surprise "girl dick" interaction without the mental illness mafia torching shit.

[Anebriated]

It would never work because Austin wouldn't be able to react accurately to his first surprise "girl dick" interaction without the mental illness mafia torching shit.

they already covered that...

https://media.tenor.com/16c_MDpEk5oAAAAd/austin-powers-its-a-man-man.gif

[Solkern]

I want the specific link you clicked, so that there is no confusion or differences in the numbers. Since you know, Google will give you 43724982374320 results for literally any search, and the contents of said results tend to have varying information in them.

Should be a simple copy/paste, no? Sourcing your info is pretty commonplace and all.


It was literally just this.
https://i.imgur.com/1iUudOG.png

[Suppressed Poet]

It would never work because Austin wouldn't be able to react accurately to his first surprise "girl dick" interaction without the mental illness mafia torching shit.

Facts.

Also they would have to swap Austin Powers for a woman of color.

Actually…I take it back. Don’t do it Hollywood. We’ve had enough shitty remakes.

[Solkern]

We need a new Austin Powers film, but this one compares & contrasts the 2020s to the 1990s. (Like they did the 90s to the 60s in the earlier films).

Dude, that would be fucking awesome!

[Solkern]

Facts.

Also they would have to swap Austin Powers for a woman of color.

Actually…I take it back. Don’t do it Hollywood. We’ve had enough shitty remakes.

I can actually see this happening.

[Methais]

they already covered that...

https://media.tenor.com/16c_MDpEk5oAAAAd/austin-powers-its-a-man-man.gif

Now imagine that in a 2023 version.

It would rule if they made it just to watch all the meltdowns, but that's also why it'll never happen.

Dammit.

[Suppressed Poet]

Some of the largest events on the global stage since 9/11 and Biden called a lid before noon. Congrats everyone, no more mean tweets.

The old man needs his nap before he gets all Dark Brandon on everyone around him.

[Anebriated]

Stole this from twitter but this guy has his hands on the pulse.

https://x.com/shipwreckedcrew/status/1711415435764367820?s=46&t=f08Y1VlY9wLZVRL-GyffDg

There are two stories bouncing around re infiltration of US Defense and State Dept by Iran.

1. Robert Malley was US Envoy to Iran, appointed by Biden, after having been lead negotiator under Obama of Iran Deal. He has been suspended without pay and the FBI now has an open investigation of mishandling classified information -- since he only dealt with Iran, it's not hard to guess what country was involved.

Hired by Biden.

2. Ariane Tabatabai, Chief of Staff to Assistant Sec. of Defense for Special Ops Christopher Maier, is a long-time member of the "Iran Experts Initiative" which is a front group consisting of "academics" and others who "assist" the U.S. Govt in dealing with Iran. Email comms between her and various officials in the Iran Govt show that she has been taking directions from Tehran and reporting on matters learned in her capacity in DOD.
Maier's responsibilities on DOD's website are described as "all special operations, irregular warfare, counterterrorism, and information operations policy issues and the oversight of special operations peculiar administrative matters, on behalf of the Secretary."

These are two HUGE stories now given the events of the past 72 hours.

A key feature of the Malley hiring is the fact that he has known Sec. of State Blinken since high school.

The Biden Administration is compromised by foreign spies.

[Suppressed Poet]

Now imagine that in a 2023 version.

It would rule if they made it just to watch all the meltdowns, but that's also why it'll never happen.

Dammit.

2023 version of that scene:

That’s a gender-fluid transsexual biological man, man.

That IS a woman!

[Solkern]

Now imagine that in a 2023 version.

It would rule if they made it just to watch all the meltdowns, but that's also why it'll never happen.

Dammit.

Austin Power: International they/them of being offended.

[Solkern]

2023 version of that scene:

That’s a gender-fluid transsexual biological man, man.

That IS a woman!

HAHAHAHAAHAH

[Parkbandit]

Well how sweet... Hamas has decided that after they butchered 700+ people in Israel.. that they are ready for a truce.

Two words: Fuck That.

Not sure there is a single Israeli with an IQ above 12 that wants a truce right now.

You poked the bear. Enjoy getting your shit pushed in.

[~Rocktar~]

The quote someone tried to share previously:


If the Palestinians lay down their weapons, there will be peace. If the Israelis lay down their weapons, there will be a massacre. Golda Meir

[Suppressed Poet]

Well how sweet... Hamas has decided that after they butchered 700+ people in Israel.. that they are ready for a truce.

Two words: Fuck That.

Not sure there is a single Israeli with an IQ above 12 that wants a truce right now.

You poked the bear. Enjoy getting your shit pushed in.

Agreed.

https://64.media.tumblr.com/5870071f9a52ebfcc78939284164616d/2cae5a47dd933c71-95/s540x810/24848d6da7507a262cd2d64833031ec175da888a.gif

[Methais]

Well how sweet... Hamas has decided that after they butchered 700+ people in Israel.. that they are ready for a truce.

Two words: Fuck That.

Not sure there is a single Israeli with an IQ above 12 that wants a truce right now.

You poked the bear. Enjoy getting your shit pushed in.

https://i.imgur.com/0C1jPpm.png (https://x.com/_johnnymaga/status/1711406609446875580?s=20)


Seran and other retarded leftists:
https://media.tenor.com/vMvR0gEolCEAAAAC/nothing-to-see-here-explosion.gif

[Anebriated]

They probably think trump is behind it since he had advanced knowledge. Clearly it isn’t because it was painfully obvious to anyone with half a brain.

That said let me be very clear. Israel going scorched earth will make this worse, potentially un-recoverable.

[Guister]

Yep, you can't deal with facts because they don't support you simping for terrorists.



Which is why I say, I might care what Europe thinks when they pay their own defense bill and meet their treaty obligations in NATO for something like 5 to 10 years.

Everyone wants what America has but they don't want to pay the 250 years of blood, sweat and treasure to have it. They all think that you can bomb somewhere or pass some law or make some declaration and in 5 years they are all living like Americans. Sorry to say, you have to pony up the decades to educate your population, you have to build a strong foundation of personal responsibility, personal property rights and personal innovation and you have to stop expecting someone else to hand it to you. Unfortunately, we took in all the outliers from Europe and built a nation and they are too filled with the collectivists to innovate. The rest of the world simply hasn't put in the effort. Sadly, the collectivist whiners have infected America and taken advantage of our good nature and it's killing us.

Okay, I'll spend a little more time on you. Get your jew ass the fuck out of here.

[Anebriated]

Never would have guessed that after 4 years of no new wars the MIC removed a president, installed a potato, and business as usual resumed.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/hNtoDia.png

lol Biden

[~Rocktar~]

Okay, I'll spend a little more time on you. Get your jew ass the fuck out of here.

Not Jewish you racist piece of shit. Go fuck yourself.

[Parkbandit]

https://i.imgur.com/hNtoDia.png

lol Biden

Love the news reports today on CNN... "We don't anticipate a live statement from President Biden today since it's past 2pm"

Jesus.. imagine being that fucking old that even the anchors know you aren't up past 2pm.

[~Rocktar~]

For those of you shitbags supporting or defending Hamas, this is what you support. This boy, like 5 or so was kidnapped and is being held captive among Palestinian children that think it's fun to beat him. You should be ashamed of yourselves and if you aren't then I hope you reap what you have sown.

https://palwatch.org/page/34626


https://youtu.be/ZVLLhL09-EM?si=rloAf8Dv53kx4gqg

[Anebriated]

https://i.imgur.com/a1zBq5p.jpg

The adults are back in charge guys!

[Suppressed Poet]

For those of you shitbags supporting or defending Hamas, this is what you support. This boy, like 5 or so was kidnapped and is being held captive among Palestinian children that think it's fun to beat him. You should be ashamed of yourselves and if you aren't then I hope you reap what you have sown.

https://palwatch.org/page/34626


https://youtu.be/ZVLLhL09-EM?si=rloAf8Dv53kx4gqg

They slaughtered 250 hippies attending a music festival. They raped women & are torturing children held hostage. Fuck Hamas. Israel needs to kill them all.

[Parkbandit]

They slaughtered 250 hippies attending a music festival. They raped women & are torturing children held hostage. Fuck Hamas. Israel needs to kill them all.

Israel doesn't play.

[Anebriated]

For those of you shitbags supporting or defending Hamas, this is what you support. This boy, like 5 or so was kidnapped and is being held captive among Palestinian children that think it's fun to beat him. You should be ashamed of yourselves and if you aren't then I hope you reap what you have sown.

https://palwatch.org/page/34626


https://youtu.be/ZVLLhL09-EM?si=rloAf8Dv53kx4gqg

Im not going to lie, having the access to footage like we do in this current age is frightening. I definitely have been holding my kids a little longer every hug and getting in an extra good night kiss.

[~Rocktar~]

Im not going to lie, having the access to footage like we do in this current age is frightening. I definitely have been holding my kids a little longer every hug and getting in an extra good night kiss.

I don't have kids. I would die to protect my neighbors kids. Love your kids today. Arm yourself, your friends, your family, today. Get trained, get your friends and family trained, train your kids. I would rather die on my feet than live on my knees. Remember, millions of illegals hiding who knows how many military age men creeping into our country. This is a religious war and it is coming here sooner or later.

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/KScJzCVB8J4?si=4eV4_5VbRCajZOFN

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/jXpIq8a.png (https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1711444719606095913?s=20)
https://x.com/kylenabecker/status/1711444719606095913?s=20

https://i.imgur.com/qRZkkQz.png

[Anebriated]

Muhammaed bin Salman just stated that Saudi Arabia stands with Palestine. Thats the death knell for the peace deal. They were set to recognize Israel and formalize relations which would have been a massive deal and one that would have really suffocated Iran. One could surmise that if anyone wanted to derail that deal this exact scenerio would be how you would go about it.

even more curious is that apparently Egypt attempted to inform Israel about a potential plot against them only a few days before it happened and Netanyahu seemed "indifferent" to the information.

[~Rocktar~]

Muhammaed bin Salman just stated that Saudi Arabia stands with Palestine. Thats the death knell for the peace deal. They were set to recognize Israel and formalize relations which would have been a massive deal and one that would have really suffocated Iran. One could surmise that if anyone wanted to derail that deal this exact scenerio would be how you would go about it.

even more curious is that apparently Egypt attempted to inform Israel about a potential plot against them only a few days before it happened and Netanyahu seemed "indifferent" to the information.

Yeah, who knows how much truth is in that rumor. Not a good thing no matter what.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

If I was Israel, I'd respond with overwhelming force and frankly destroy the Gaza strip. I'd tell the 2m people fostering terrorists there they have a day to get out going south, then carpet bomb it from north to south the next day.

All you liberal fucks doing your calculus on who to side with need to review the videos from the past 2 days and reset your moral compass. Then read the release from the Hamas military arm saying they'll execute civilian captives live on TV. Then look at our doddering sundowning president who went to sleep at noon today. And Bobby Kennedy just went independent. And the squad all align with Palestine.

Our country needs a gigantic enema to get rid of the fucking terrorists living in our capital, spending our tax dollars on wars and countries that literally chant death to America.

A real president would stand proudly with a people that are surrounded by enemies and is the sole democratic country in the middle east.

[Solkern]

If I was Israel, I'd respond with overwhelming force and frankly destroy the Gaza strip. I'd tell the 2m people fostering terrorists there they have a day to get out going south, then carpet bomb it from north to south the next day.

All you liberal fucks doing your calculus on who to side with need to review the videos from the past 2 days and reset your moral compass. Then read the release from the Hamas military arm saying they'll execute civilian captives live on TV. Then look at our doddering sundowning president who went to sleep at noon today. And Bobby Kennedy just went independent. And the squad all align with Palestine.

Our country needs a gigantic enema to get rid of the fucking terrorists living in our capital, spending our tax dollars on wars and countries that literally chant death to America.

A real president would stand proudly with a people that are surrounded by enemies and is the sole democratic country in the middle east.

Get out and go where exactly? They are all technically stateless. Biden is supporting and standing with Israel… and the left supports Israel.(there are idiots on both sides that don’t support Israel, but they are a slim minority)

[~Rocktar~]

Get out and go where exactly? They are all technically stateless. Biden is supporting and standing with Israel… and the left supports Israel.(there are idiots on both sides that don’t support Israel, but they are a slim minority)

Well, we know that Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and others have discarded them other than as a political tool. Israel offered them their own country, jobs, education, water and infrastructure.

[Tgo01]

They are all technically stateless.

Sounds like the surrounding Muslim nations who support them should be welcoming them into their countries as refugees.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Get out and go where exactly? They are all technically stateless. Biden is supporting and standing with Israel… and the left supports Israel.(there are idiots on both sides that don’t support Israel, but they are a slim minority)

Not Israel's problem. They should have thought of that when they fostered terrorists on the strip. Having 2 million enemies sworn to kill you on your border is why there has been war there since go. Nevermind the west bank, just mop up gaza and then you can focus on the west bank issues.

[Methais]

Get out and go where exactly?

Mexico

[Suppressed Poet]

Get out and go where exactly? They are all technically stateless. Biden is supporting and standing with Israel… and the left supports Israel.(there are idiots on both sides that don’t support Israel, but they are a slim minority)

Surely one of those Muslim countries that surrounds Israel would take them in. At this point I say that’s not Israel’s problem. Unfortunately Palestinians (not all, but most) chose terrorism. War is hell.

Both sides…lol. It’s progressive Democrats aka The Squad. It’s a minority for sure,, but Democrats have and have always had an Israel problem within their own party. I’m not aware of any Republicans standing with Hamas. You’re kinda acting like Trump when he said there are very fine people on both sides in reference to what happened in Charlottesville.

[~Rocktar~]

At least 11 Americans dead and possibly more hostages. They better start releasing people because this has already gotten so far out of hand it isn't funny.

https://www.breitbart.com/middle-east/2023/10/09/joe-biden-at-least-11-americans-killed-in-hamas-terror-attacks-in-israel-others-likely-held-hostage/

[Neveragain]

Get out and go where exactly?

Should have thought about that before electing Hamas as their government and launching 5,000 missiles into Israel.

[Solkern]

Well, we know that Egypt, Jordan, Lebanon and others have discarded them other than as a political tool. Israel offered them their own country, jobs, education, water and infrastructure.

Yup I’m aware, I feel like they don’t want anything but to kill all the Jews in Israel. So fuck them.

[Solkern]

Should have thought about that before electing Hamas as their government and launching 5,000 missiles into Israel.

I 100% agree. They probably thought the hostages would help them.

[Solkern]

Surely one of those Muslim countries that surrounds Israel would take them in. At this point I say that’s not Israel’s problem. Unfortunately Palestinians (not all, but most) chose terrorism. War is hell.

Both sides…lol. It’s progressive Democrats aka The Squad. It’s a minority for sure,, but Democrats have and have always had an Israel problem within their own party. I’m not aware of any Republicans standing with Hamas. You’re kinda acting like Trump when he said there are very fine people on both sides in reference to what happened in Charlottesville.

I was stating, not 100% of Republicans support Israel, same on the left.

[Solkern]

Not Israel's problem. They should have thought of that when they fostered terrorists on the strip. Having 2 million enemies sworn to kill you on your border is why there has been war there since go. Nevermind the west bank, just mop up gaza and then you can focus on the west bank issues.

Empathy for those that aren’t involved, that are being bombed etc etc. They don’t really have a choice, I feel bad for them, Not the terrorist.

[Solkern]

Sounds like the surrounding Muslim nations who support them should be welcoming them into their countries as refugees.

I feel like they don’t really support them, just don’t like Israel.

[Solkern]

Mexico

DO YOU REALLY WANT THEM IN MEXICO?!

[Suppressed Poet]

I was stating, not 100% of Republicans support Israel, same on the left.

Ok. I’m not aware of any Republicans that don’t support Israel, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. The statement itself sounds disingenuous and this is why my political peers criticize you. The two parties are not equal in that regard. One party has several members that are outspoken against Israel and calling for a cessation of hostilities (and not because they just love peace).

I’m sure there are good innocent Palestinians caught up in this, and I do have empathy for those folks. That being said, I totally understand & support Israel’s response & taking every measure to make certain Hamas never attacks their people again.

[Suppressed Poet]

DO YOU REALLY WANT THEM IN MEXICO?!

If Egypt or Iran won’t take them in, I fear they are about to be fed to the Leviathan. Gaza is about to be gonzo.

[Solkern]

Ok. I’m not aware of any Republicans that don’t support Israel, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt. The statement itself sounds disingenuous and this is why my political peers criticize you. The two parties are not equal in that regard. One party has several members that are outspoken against Israel and calling for a cessation of hostilities (and not because they just love peace).

I’m sure there are good innocent Palestinians caught up in this, and I do have empathy for those folks. That being said, I totally understand & support Israel’s response & taking every measure to make certain Hamas never attacks their people again.

I can see why, I just did a quick search and found my information. I wasn’t talking strictly about politicians.
https://www.cfr.org/blog/partisan-gap-support-israel-seems-permanent

[Tgo01]

Ok. I’m not aware of any Republicans that don’t support Israel, but I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt.

Don't let Solkern get you twisted.

Yes there are some Republicans who don't support Israel (no outspoken Republican politicians I can think of though), but the Republicans who don't support Israel also don't support Hamas or the inhabitants of Gaza.

There ARE Democrats who openly oppose Israel AND support Hamas/Gaza and some of them even sit in the US Congress.

[Solkern]

Don't let Solkern get you twisted.

Yes there are some Republicans who don't support Israel (no outspoken Republican politicians I can think of though), but the Republicans who don't support Israel also don't support Hamas or the inhabitants of Gaza.

There ARE Democrats who openly oppose Israel AND support Hamas/Gaza and some of them even sit in the US Congress.

Only 5% of Republicans say their sympathies lie more with the Palestinians.

From the link I provided.

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/IjAuTPESJ7o?si=thbnIb3cAANOgr7O

[Suppressed Poet]

Only 5% of Republicans say their sympathies lie more with the Palestinians.

From the link I provided.

Mhmmm. You conveniently failed to mention this part:


In each poll the numbers differ but the conclusion is the same: Republicans are significantly more supportive than Democrats of Israel, while Democrats are now more sympathetic to Palestinians.

[Suppressed Poet]

Don't let Solkern get you twisted.

Yes there are some Republicans who don't support Israel (no outspoken Republican politicians I can think of though), but the Republicans who don't support Israel also don't support Hamas or the inhabitants of Gaza.

There ARE Democrats who openly oppose Israel AND support Hamas/Gaza and some of them even sit in the US Congress.

Oh I’m not twisted. Agreed and I’m not letting that go. It’s not going to fly to say that both parties have some detractors of Israel. As you stated, it goes beyond that with many Democrats openly supporting the so-called Palestinian “freedom fighters” and there isn’t an insignificant sum of those progressives saying that.

[Solkern]

Mhmmm. You conveniently failed to mention this part:

No I didn’t. I’m well aware Democrats show more sympathy. While I do show sympathy for the innocent civilians, not for the terrorist. Fuck them.

[Parkbandit]

I was stating, not 100% of Republicans support Israel, same on the left.

You're being mealy-mouthed again.

State the names. Put their party behind the names.

Here, I'll start for you:

Democrats:

Alexandria Ocasio-Cortez
Rashida Tlaib
Jamaal Bowman
Summer Lee
Ilhan Omar
Cori Bush
Andre Carson
Delia Ramirez
Ayanna Pressley
Betty McCollum

Now go ahead and list out all the Republicans that stand with Hamas.

We will wait.

[Seran]

No I didn’t. I’m well aware Democrats show more sympathy. While I do show sympathy for the innocent civilians, not for the terrorist. Fuck them.

As if sympathy for a dispossessed people were a bad thing. Israel's Arab neighbors have flat out rejected Palestinians for decades and Palestinians themselves, or rather failed leaders, rejected a peace deal that'd have seen them with their own State. Plenty to show sympathy for.

It's their tendency to support radical leaders and now a terrorist organizations that is the final straw for a lot of people. Hamas has been in power for a decade and a half and has a captive, but supportive populace with which to draw fighters and martyrs. It's this reason that I support Israel's action to finally crush Hamas, it's network, it's ability to lead as a government and hopefully their retaking the Gaza Strip once and for all. The West Bank isn't an ideal situation and Jordan could do more to support carving out additional land they stole during the previous wars or uprisings they supported.

[Methais]

Don't let Solkern get you twisted.

Yes there are some Republicans who don't support Israel (no outspoken Republican politicians I can think of though), but the Republicans who don't support Israel also don't support Hamas or the inhabitants of Gaza.

There ARE Democrats who openly oppose Israel AND support Hamas/Gaza and some of them even sit in the US Congress.

There's a whole squad of them.

[Neveragain]

The review of the EU's assistance for Palestine announced by the European Commission will not suspend the due payments, as clarified by the Commission’s press release. ~ Joseph Borrell Fomtelles ~ High Representative of the EU for Foreign Affairs and Security Policy/Vice-President of
@eu_commission

And this is why the US needs to stop funding the EUrogrifters.

[Suppressed Poet]

No I didn’t. I’m well aware Democrats show more sympathy. While I do show sympathy for the innocent civilians, not for the terrorist. Fuck them.

We’re on the same page and my hostility wasn’t directed at you. I just find it sickening that some would support Hamas in this conflict, and we should universally denounce the support or tolerance of terrorism. Israel was viciously attacked and they have an obligation to respond with fierce retaliation to protect their citizens. We’d do the same. I too don’t want civilians to die, but that is an unfortunate consequence of war. Israel at least tries to limit civilian casualties while Hamas is happy to target them.

[Methais]

Was scrolling down Twitter yesterday watching random shit, and as luck would have it, just before I was going to close my browser, I scroll down a little more and up pops a video of some Hamas assholes about to storm a house and murder a family, but not before blasting their dog in the driveway that was happily running out to greet them.


https://media.tenor.com/OI4rHG9VpXIAAAAC/ryan-reynolds-goddammit.gif


Clueless leftists need to watch raw video of the shit happening instead of the watered down versions the news is showing. Just on the .000001% chance that they might become less retarded after as a result and stop cucking for "Palestine."