Election Fun!

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/fetterman-campaign-sues-pennsylvania-election-000102509.html

"Fetterman’s Campaign Sues Pennsylvania Election Officials Demanding Undated Mail-In Ballots Be Counted"

"The campaign of Democratic senate candidate John Fetterman sued Pennsylvania election officials Monday demanding that undated or improperly dated mail-in ballots be counted in upcoming races in the state."

Already started. They're suing (prior to the results being tallied), to make sure ILLEGAL votes are counted. Weird how that works right? Wonder why they want any illegally marked mail in ballots tallied along with the legal ones submitted. I'm sure there is nothing to see here folks. Nothing at all! All on the up and up!

Pennsylvania law states: "The judges ruled based on the Pennsylvania Election Code, which instructs voters to “fill out, date and sign the declaration” provided on the envelope in which they place their ballot."

That is the Law. The Dems are already trying to subvert the law.

The Dems are against Democracy and the rule of law. They are a threat to the United States! **using their own logic and turning it on them**

[Shaps]

https://www.yahoo.com/news/stacey-abrams-continues-voter-suppression-150511196.html

"Stacey Abrams Continues Voter-Suppression Fear Mongering as Georgia Crushes Early-Voting Record"

"Democratic gubernatorial candidate Stacey Abrams continues to insist that her Republican opponent, incumbent governor Brian Kemp, is using his position to suppress votes, even as the Peach State smashes early-voting records."

Remember when MLB pulled the All-Star game over Jim Crow 2.0? Remember when all that voter suppression was going to occur because of Jim Crow 2.0?

Oh wait... early voting has been made easier, more secure, and is CRUSHING previous totals. So much suppression going on, only Stacy Abrams could win if it wasn't! Don't worry about the facts, she's telling us all how evil and Jim Crow like the current elections are.

She's an election denier!! A threat to the Republic! An evil blight in America! **Using Dems own standards against them**

[Methais]

kek

[Seran]

You've reached your new thread limit for the decade.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Looks like record turnout in my district already. Most people in person voting I've ever seen here in 18 years (anecdotal of course, I vote @7:00 am every election.)

[Parkbandit]

You've reached your new thread limit for the decade.

Someone's having a bad day.

I doubt it'll get better for you, Cupcake.

[Methais]

You've reached your new thread limit for the decade.

You've reached your retarded butthurt post limit for the next 6 centuries.

This can be reduced to 5 centuries by simply telling us what abstinence is, and how republicans are trying to block it.

[Tgo01]

Democrats already telling us it might take days or even weeks to count all of the ballots.

Nothing to see here! Everything is perfectly normal!

[~Rocktar~]

Democrats already telling us it might take days or even weeks to count all of the ballots.

Nothing to see here! Everything is perfectly normal!

France can count the whole country in 1 night but we have states that are much lower population that can't manage it in days or weeks? Fuck this shit.

[drumpel]

France can count the whole country in 1 night but we have states that are much lower population that can't manage it in days or weeks? Fuck this shit.

Many can't count....have you see the school systems? Many kids these days can't do basic math in their heads or even with the help of a calculator.

Last place I worked I can't even count how many times I was on a system failure call and a store had all their registers down.....you'd hear the teenage and early 20 year old kids in the background complaining that they don't know how to price anything or add it all up without the registers and they'd be begging the manager to close the store until the registers were back up. I'd be pricing stuff for them in my head as I was working on getting their system back up and running.

Some of those kids couldn't even use a calculator to figure out the cost of things. Even some older people in management didn't know how to calculate taxes for the total. It's actually scary. Sadly, you get people like this that are coming up to the voting age and they're now deciding with their votes on what piece of shit side is going to fail them the least (hopefully).

The states have no chance at keeping on top of things in the world if we continue the way we're going by allowing stupid fuckers to run the country into the ground. All they're doing is promoting stupidity and you can see it rampant here on the PC from a handful of people.

[Orthin]

I'm really getting over the whole *insert current losing side* "there must be something wrong with the voting" the last couple of elections. It is cheapening the election process and creating mistrust in a system that is largely sound.

Unrelated but I am really excited for Sonic Open World game to arrive today

[Parkbandit]

Democrats already telling us it might take days or even weeks to count all of the ballots.

Nothing to see here! Everything is perfectly normal!

This is what happens when you drag election day out for a month.

[Parkbandit]

I'm really getting over the whole *insert current losing side* "there must be something wrong with the voting" the last couple of elections. It is cheapening the election process and creating mistrust in a system that is largely sound.

Unrelated but I am really excited for Sonic Open World game to arrive today

Lack of transparency is what creates mistrust in the voting system.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/z8FDwKZ.jpg

[~Rocktar~]

I'm really getting over the whole *insert current losing side* "there must be something wrong with the voting" the last couple of elections. It is cheapening the election process and creating mistrust in a system that is largely sound.

Unrelated but I am really excited for Sonic Open World game to arrive today

Except it's not mostly sound, it's deeply flawed. From election equipment that got tampered with to election computations done on foreign servers to 2000 mules visiting NGOs and then ballot boxes at least 30 times EACH this doesn't count the numbers that visited less than 30 times), to the millions of hours of missing surveillance video of those ballot boxes, to the weaponization of the IRS and DOJ to the continued dog whistle of "Threat to our Democracy" and "Insurrection" and "If you don't vote for me, you ain't black." The fact is, there are some GOP cheats and they get called out, go to jail and disowned by the GOP. There are loads more Democrat cheats and they get ignored and swept under the rug.

Instead of lawsuits tossed out without hearings, dismissive media colluding with one party and endless investigations and magnificent theater by one party because they lost power for a bit, and the ever present calls to end the Electoral College every time they lose, they could have worked on real resolutions to build confidence in the electoral process. Instead, we get more government over reach, more taxes, more social collapse and more debt. No one gives a fuck that you are tired of hearing it, there are real problems and until people like yourself get off your asses and seek to really hold your elected officials accountable for them you will continue to hear it until the busses and trains come to take you to the camps or society collapses and uncounted millions starve and die in war as our enemies feast on our corpse.

With technology today, voting should be able to be done by everyone, everywhere no matter the citizen, all on one day, safe, secure and counted nearly instantly. But no, we can't because if we went to systems like that would prevent cheating that deeply favors one party and always has in our nations history.

[Shaps]

https://youtu.be/aMYTY_ufwcg

Just a reminder of.. in Biden's words.. the threats to democracy, the republic, and this Nation.

Good day to look back at their own words.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Make America Florida should be Republican's new template for success. Elect strong candidates that will stand up for our rights and mud stomp the socialist and communists trying to turn the country into Venezuela.

[~Rocktar~]

Make America Florida should be Republican's new template for success. Elect strong candidates that will stand up for our rights and mud stomp the socialist and communists trying to turn the country into Venezuela.

And fix voting to become transparent and restore election integrity like Florida has done.

[Shaps]

Simple Election rules:

Must be in person
Must show ID
Must verify signature

Mail in/Early Ballots: Only for Military/Overseas Business Workers/Disabled (maybe missing one or two good reasons) Copy of ID must be included when sending it in.

Voting should be open for 5 business days: M-F.
All tallies completed by Saturday 1700 for release to the public.
Utilize all DMVs as voting locations (in addition to already designated areas) to ensure ease of access, already staffed (would only require election certifiers), and lastly...
Public transportation (ie. busses/subway/trains) should be free for the public during those 5 business days to ensure any/everyone has the ability to reach their voting location. Starting Saturday at 0001 all charges are reinstated.

Seems pretty easy to me.

One last thing: Utilize and activate the National Guard, and their depots, of each state for the week to use as vote depositories to ensure all ballots are safely secured once counted by local election officials... and overseen by an appointed representative(s) of the State Police.. Once the votes are tallied and results announced - all ballots are then moved to 1 central location from all the depots by military transport to their final storage facility for later use in any pending litigation.

[SHAFT]

So much for that “red wave” you dumb cunts

[Shaps]

So much for that “red wave” you dumb cunts

I never said there was going to be one. Not sure what your insane comment means... you moron?

To many morons like you out there for a "red wave" to occur. And if you don't like that fact, the school test scores in the US verify it convincingly.

Just understand, you're one of them.

[SHAFT]

I never said there was going to be one. Not sure what your insane comment means... you moron?

To many morons like you out there for a "red wave" to occur. And if you don't like that fact, the school test scores in the US verify it convincingly.

Just understand, you're one of them.

You’re a special snowflake arent ya?

[Shaps]

You’re a special snowflake arent ya?


https://youtu.be/mwemxVSg-L0

Not at all. I can go all day. BTW, found you and a few other morons online.

P.S. You do understand having a handle "God of Tits and Wine" says more about you than anything else I could say right? Just trying to help you out there bud/pal/chief.

[~Rocktar~]

So much for that “red wave” you dumb cunts

You really have no clue how badly the Democrats have lost do you. Beto, 3 time loser, previously a big Leftist hopeful for POTUS. Abrams, beat like a red headed step child, also a BIG Leftist hopeful. Crist in Florida, now a 3 time loser as a Republican, a Democrat and an Independent. Rubio beat his opponent handily. Miami Dade going Red. You have Warnock in Georgia struggling against a poor candidate with most of the votes in, he doesn't have a majority and it keeps going back and forth.

Sadly, Michigan keeps Whitmer so they will continue to pay the price for electing a fascist Governor. The same for New York where they had a tough race to win in a state where a Democrat should basically just have to put their name on the ballot.

So, in the end, the House is Red, the Senate is possibly Red and this is the end of the Green New Deal and all the other Leftist shit.

In the face of 96% negative media pretty much across the board, it's pretty striking how bad Democrats are getting beat.

[drumpel]

A guy that I work with is a democrat, grew up that way and has been that way until now. He said he can't believe how fast Biden and the democrats fucked things up....he said his 401k had tanked nearly $200k since Biden took office. He voted republican today. He said he hates Trump, but he liked the economy better under him.

[SHAFT]

A guy that I work with is a democrat, grew up that way and has been that way until now. He said he can't believe how fast Biden and the democrats fucked things up....he said his 401k had tanked nearly $200k since Biden took office. He voted republican today. He said he hates Trump, but he liked the economy better under him.

Your friend is an idiot and he should seek a lobotomy.

[SHAFT]

You really have no clue how badly the Democrats have lost do you. Beto, 3 time loser, previously a big Leftist hopeful for POTUS. Abrams, beat like a red headed step child, also a BIG Leftist hopeful. Crist in Florida, now a 3 time loser as a Republican, a Democrat and an Independent. Rubio beat his opponent handily. Miami Dade going Red. You have Warnock in Georgia struggling against a poor candidate with most of the votes in, he doesn't have a majority and it keeps going back and forth.

Sadly, Michigan keeps Whitmer so they will continue to pay the price for electing a fascist Governor. The same for New York where they had a tough race to win in a state where a Democrat should basically just have to put their name on the ballot.

So, in the end, the House is Red, the Senate is possibly Red and this is the end of the Green New Deal and all the other Leftist shit.

In the face of 96% negative media pretty much across the board, it's pretty striking how bad Democrats are getting beat.

No, you dumb twat. Just no.

[Suppressed Poet]

Congrats Dems and enjoy the victory. The war of political ideas continues but the battle is yours tonight.

[Suppressed Poet]

Make America Florida should be Republican's new template for success. Elect strong candidates that will stand up for our rights and mud stomp the socialist and communists trying to turn the country into Venezuela.

Agreed. DeSantis tore that ass up. Trump’s picked candidates underperformed. Republicans need to not eat each other if we want to win in 2024.

[Solkern]

looks like the Dems are going to keep the Senate, and I believe the Republicans will take the house.
I'm shocked, I thought it was going to be a clean sweep red sweep as it usually is in midterms

[Solkern]

Simple Election rules:

Must be in person
Must show ID
Must verify signature

Mail in/Early Ballots: Only for Military/Overseas Business Workers/Disabled (maybe missing one or two good reasons) Copy of ID must be included when sending it in.

Voting should be open for 5 business days: M-F.
All tallies completed by Saturday 1700 for release to the public.
Utilize all DMVs as voting locations (in addition to already designated areas) to ensure ease of access, already staffed (would only require election certifiers), and lastly...
Public transportation (ie. busses/subway/trains) should be free for the public during those 5 business days to ensure any/everyone has the ability to reach their voting location. Starting Saturday at 0001 all charges are reinstated.

Seems pretty easy to me.

One last thing: Utilize and activate the National Guard, and their depots, of each state for the week to use as vote depositories to ensure all ballots are safely secured once counted by local election officials... and overseen by an appointed representative(s) of the State Police.. Once the votes are tallied and results announced - all ballots are then moved to 1 central location from all the depots by military transport to their final storage facility for later use in any pending litigation.

Voting should be a 2 or possibly 3 day paid national holiday. There is no reason it's not.
it's one of, if not the most important day of the year.

[Gelston]

Voting should take place entirely on PC polls.

[Solkern]

Voting should take place entirely on PC polls.

Tacos would win every time!

[Parkbandit]

You really have no clue how badly the Democrats have lost do you. Beto, 3 time loser, previously a big Leftist hopeful for POTUS. Abrams, beat like a red headed step child, also a BIG Leftist hopeful. Crist in Florida, now a 3 time loser as a Republican, a Democrat and an Independent. Rubio beat his opponent handily. Miami Dade going Red. You have Warnock in Georgia struggling against a poor candidate with most of the votes in, he doesn't have a majority and it keeps going back and forth.

Sadly, Michigan keeps Whitmer so they will continue to pay the price for electing a fascist Governor. The same for New York where they had a tough race to win in a state where a Democrat should basically just have to put their name on the ballot.

So, in the end, the House is Red, the Senate is possibly Red and this is the end of the Green New Deal and all the other Leftist shit.

In the face of 96% negative media pretty much across the board, it's pretty striking how bad Democrats are getting beat.

Some states deserve what they voted for.

Thankfully, Florida went deep red last night.

[Parkbandit]

WTF is up with Arizona/Nevada? 63% of the vote is counted at this point? How are you not able to do the ONE thing you are supposed to do: Count votes?

If you are in a state where you aren't in the high 90% of the vote counted by the next morning, your state is doing something terribly wrong.

[~Rocktar~]

WTF is up with Arizona/Nevada? 63% of the vote is counted at this point? How are you not able to do the ONE thing you are supposed to do: Count votes?

If you are in a state where you aren't in the high 90% of the vote counted by the next morning, your state is doing something terribly wrong.

Maricopa County.

[Suppressed Poet]

Some states deserve what they voted for.

Thankfully, Florida went deep red last night.

Deep red except that one Gen-Z Bernie-sucking rep.

Texas remains red. It’s fun watching my neighbors here in Dallas take down their Beto yard signs for a third time.

[Alfster]

In the face of 96% negative media pretty much across the board, it's pretty striking how bad Democrats are getting beat.

Lol playing the victim again

[~Rocktar~]

Lol playing the victim again

At least my side didn't start the night with lawsuits to count invalid votes and hasn't spent weeks and months claiming cheating at every turn so who is playing the victim? Stating facts isn't playing victim but hey, at least maybe Beto and Abrams will go away now.

[Seran]

The red wave turned out to be a red trickle and those MAGA candidates forwarded by former President and Thief were a massive party liability after all. After all the blame the Republicans tried to throw at Biden's feet for things completely out of his control, voters realized Republicans had absolutely no credible plan. Enjoy your narrow majority in the House!

[Gelston]

The red wave turned out to be a red trickle and those MAGA candidates forwarded by former President and Thief were a massive party liability after all. After all the blame the Republicans tried to throw at Biden's feet for things completely out of his control, voters realized Republicans had absolutely no credible plan. Enjoy your narrow majority in the House!

You enjoy eating poop.

[ClydeR]

When Democrats won control of the House in 2020, they had a small majority. It showed. Extreme members of the majority demanded legislative changes that everybody knew would be unacceptable to the Senate. It took Pelosi about a year to tamp down the enthusiasm of the more extreme Democrats.

It seems probable that Republicans will take control of the House in this election with a similarly small majority. I predict that McCarthy will have even worse problems with extreme members than Pelosi had, for three reasons. First, the Republican extreme members are more extreme. Second, Pelosi had a President from her own party who needed a cooperative House. McCarthy will not have a President from his party to pressure uncooperative majority members. Finally, Trump will goad extreme House Republicans toward chaos.

If Republicans take control of the House, it will be a bumpy ride for the new Speaker.

[Seran]

When Democrats won control of the House in 2020, they had a small majority. It showed. Extreme members of the majority demanded legislative changes that everybody knew would be unacceptable to the Senate. It took Pelosi about a year to tamp down the enthusiasm of the more extreme Democrats.

It seems probable that Republicans will take control of the House in this election with a similarly small majority. I predict that McCarthy will have even worse problems with extreme members than Pelosi had, for three reasons. First, the Republican extreme members are more extreme. Second, Pelosi had a President from her own party who needed a cooperative House. McCarthy will not have a President from his party to pressure uncooperative majority members. Finally, Trump will goad extreme House Republicans toward chaos.

If Republicans take control of the House, it will be a bumpy ride for the new Speaker.

I'm betting they'll get control, but McCarthy becoming speaker will be fraught with challenges from those same MAGA morons who felt his prior condemnation doesn't see him fit for their idea of Republican fascism.

[Shaps]

I thought common sense would prevail, but if people have been put through... what they've been put through the past 2 years... and still the vote is a near 50/50 split... this country is done for.

There is no way any individual in their right mind should want what the current administration is doing.
There is no way any individual in their right mind should want what the current economic situation is.
There is no way any individual in their right mind would want to happen to their children, what is currently happening to their children.

I'm not claiming anything, but numerous polls showing 70%+ Americans say the country is going the wrong direction... and there isn't 1 iota of movement in the political framework?

This country is either 1. corrupt or 2. lost for good.

This country is now ruled by idiocy and lemmings.

So long, it's been fun. I'll enjoy watching the coming collapse over the next 15-20 years.

Side note: Just turned on the TV (immediately turned it off after hearing this guy say it - sure it will be repeated ad nauseum) - a Democratic strategist said the US should stop paying attention to any polling what so ever. Like any of it.

Some will understand what that means, others will not.

[Parkbandit]

I thought common sense would prevail, but if people have been put through... what they've been put through the past 2 years... and still the vote is a near 50/50 split... this country is done for.

There is no way any individual in their right mind should want what the current administration is doing.
There is no way any individual in their right mind should want what the current economic situation is.
There is no way any individual in their right mind would want to happen to their children, what is currently happening to their children.

I'm not claiming anything, but numerous polls showing 70%+ Americans say the country is going the wrong direction... and there isn't 1 iota of movement in the political framework?

This country is either 1. corrupt or 2. lost for good.

This country is now ruled by idiocy and lemmings.

So long, it's been fun. I'll enjoy watching the coming collapse over the next 15-20 years.

Side note: Just turned on the TV (immediately turned it off after hearing this guy say it - sure it will be repeated ad nauseum) - a Democratic strategist said the US should stop paying attention to any polling what so ever. Like any of it.

Some will understand what that means, others will not.

Split government is a good thing.

[kutter]

I think Shaps was trying to say is that the first rule of getting out of a hole is to stop digging, but we still have that shovel in our hand and are merrily plugging away. Just goes to prove how ridiculous our electorate is now. But 50% of the population will get what they want until we become Greece. I think it is safe to say that we are no longer the shining castle on the hill.

[Neveragain]

Young conservatives dominated in Iowa last night, dethroning 2 solid career Democrats.

Going into Iowa and NH for 2024, both parties are going to have to move to the center.

For republicans that means shaking the "angry old curmudgeon" persona, like PB, and the Democrats need to rid themselves of the retarded Seran raincloud.

[Seran]

I thought common sense would prevail, but if people have been put through... what they've been put through the past 2 years... and still the vote is a near 50/50 split... this country is done for.

There is no way any individual in their right mind should want what the current administration is doing.
There is no way any individual in their right mind should want what the current economic situation is.
There is no way any individual in their right mind would want to happen to their children, what is currently happening to their children.

I'm not claiming anything, but numerous polls showing 70%+ Americans say the country is going the wrong direction... and there isn't 1 iota of movement in the political framework?

This country is either 1. corrupt or 2. lost for good.

This country is now ruled by idiocy and lemmings.

So long, it's been fun. I'll enjoy watching the coming collapse over the next 15-20 years.

Side note: Just turned on the TV (immediately turned it off after hearing this guy say it - sure it will be repeated ad nauseum) - a Democratic strategist said the US should stop paying attention to any polling what so ever. Like any of it.

Some will understand what that means, others will not.

Woe woe woe, the sky is falling and the world is ending. Except it isn't.

Economy remains robust, jobless rates are holding and despite interest rate hikes consumer sentiment hasn't seen much of a dip. Progressive policies have been passed, but nothing earth shattering and Republicans for all their demagoguery haven't come up with a solid plan for anything beyond trashing Democrat policies.

You're going to need a much better argument than everything is going to shit, when one need only look around to look past that lie.

[Shaps]

Woe woe woe, the sky is falling and the world is ending. Except it isn't.

Economy remains robust, jobless rates are holding and despite interest rate hikes consumer sentiment hasn't seen much of a dip. Progressive policies have been passed, but nothing earth shattering and Republicans for all their demagoguery haven't come up with a solid plan for anything beyond trashing Democrat policies.

You're going to need a much better argument than everything is going to shit, when one need only look around to look past that lie.

You are the brain dead example of voter I refer to.

I'm done arguing. If these past 2 years don't wake people up, nothing will. I'm cool watching it all collapse. Thankfully I'm just old enough to not give a fuck about what happens to the next generation, as they will have created it themselves.

[Parkbandit]

I think Shaps was trying to say is that the first rule of getting out of a hole is to stop digging, but we still have that shovel in our hand and are merrily plugging away. Just goes to prove how ridiculous our electorate is now. But 50% of the population will get what they want until we become Greece. I think it is safe to say that we are no longer the shining castle on the hill.

I don't believe one election makes or breaks the USA.

Stupid people will continue to be stupid.. but there is always hope out there. Look at Florida and how many Democrats they voted out of office last night.

I hope Ron DeSantis runs for President and beats Trump for the nomination. The US could use a strong President.

[ClydeR]

I hope Ron DeSantis runs for President and beats Trump for the nomination. The US could use a strong President.


Trump should have announced his 2024 candidacy last spring when he was in a better position to force Republican politicians to endorse him. By waiting until now, he has given Ron DeSanctimonious an opening claim that he was, somehow, responsible for the red wave in Florida, when clearly it was Trump's constant presence -- he moved to Florida, you know -- that made the real difference.

[Suppressed Poet]

I don't believe one election makes or breaks the USA.

Stupid people will continue to be stupid.. but there is always hope out there. Look at Florida and how many Democrats they voted out of office last night.

I hope Ron DeSantis runs for President and beats Trump for the nomination. The US could use a strong President.

Agreed. I’ve been hearing “this is the most important election of your life” every election since I’ve been old enough to vote. Onwards and upwards.

People are dead set on their opinion of Trump (good or bad) and I don’t see that changing. If the Republicans want to pickup more votes from independents and centrist leaning Democrats, we need someone other than Trump to lead at the national level. Orange Man Bad is energizing the left to vote their way via fear. DeSantis proved to have the winning formula.

[Parkbandit]

Trump should have announced his 2024 candidacy last spring when he was in a better position to force Republican politicians to endorse him. By waiting until now, he has given Ron DeSanctimonious an opening claim that he was, somehow, responsible for the red wave in Florida, when clearly it was Trump's constant presence -- he moved to Florida, you know -- that made the real difference.

No one with an IQ above 12 reads your stupidity and cares what you post.

Fuck off, Coward.

[Parkbandit]

Maricopa County.

They STILL don't have the vote counted in this one county. Why do the people from Arizona keep letting this happen in this county?

The need to clean out everyone from this cesspool and start with fresh, responsible people. Every election is the same with this county.

[Suppressed Poet]

Woe woe woe, the sky is falling and the world is ending. Except it isn't.

Economy remains robust, jobless rates are holding and despite interest rate hikes consumer sentiment hasn't seen much of a dip. Progressive policies have been passed, but nothing earth shattering and Republicans for all their demagoguery haven't come up with a solid plan for anything beyond trashing Democrat policies.

You're going to need a much better argument than everything is going to shit, when one need only look around to look past that lie.

Except that credible exit polling indicates otherwise. The overwhelming majority including Democrats do not want to see Joe Biden run for re-election in 2024. Biden got what he wanted with voters making a choice instead of an referendum, but that doesn’t mean the economy is great or crime isn’t a huge concern.

Republicans and Republican backed polling clearly underestimated the importance on issues like abortion and preservation of democracy (those fears of preserving our democracy are totally unfounded in my opinion, but that doesn’t matter). 2/3rds of Americans want 1st trimester abortions to be solidified as legal, but most also are not ok with legal abortions up until birth.

But by all means…run Biden again in 2024 and keep ignoring issues with inflation / the economy / illegal immigration / foreign policy and energy dependence / etc. I expect no less from you, but you are choosing to be blind. Return the favor of underestimating the opposition and what’s important to everyday Americans, and we will see how far that takes you in 2 years.

[Parkbandit]

Except that credible exit polling indicates otherwise. The overwhelming majority including Democrats do not want to see Joe Biden run for re-election in 2024. Biden got what he wanted with voters making a choice instead of an referendum, but that doesn’t mean the economy is great or crime isn’t a huge concern.

Republicans and Republican backed polling clearly underestimated the importance on issues like abortion and preservation of democracy (those fears of preserving our democracy are totally unfounded in my opinion, but that doesn’t matter). 2/3rds of Americans want 1st trimester abortions to be solidified as legal, but most also are not ok with legal abortions up until birth.

But by all means…run Biden again in 2024 and keep ignoring issues with inflation / the economy / illegal immigration / foreign policy and energy dependence / etc. I expect no less from you, but you are choosing to be blind. Return the favor of underestimating the opposition and what’s important to everyday Americans, and we will see how far that takes you in 2 years.

Hopefully, this election "win" for President Biden will make it more difficult for Democrat leaders to push poor Joe aside in 2024. He should be the only deciding vote whether or not he runs again.

I personally support President Joe Biden to run in 2024.

[ClydeR]

No one with an IQ above 12 reads your stupidity and cares what you post.


Don't be elitist. Everybody gets one vote, even people who aren't as smart as you believe yourself to be.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Don't be elitist. Everybody gets one vote, even people who aren't as smart as you believe yourself to be.

Felons? Illegal aliens? Children? Dead people?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

All things considered, this was a pretty solid win for democrats.

Credit to them for hiding Biden in the basement, letting his wife campaign for him and him as much out of the news as they could.

Now he'll give his first presser in the US since January at 4pm today. I wonder if he'll take questions or talk to ghosts again.

[Archigeek]

All things considered, this was a pretty solid win for democrats.

Credit to them for hiding Biden in the basement, letting his wife campaign for him and him as much out of the news as they could.

Now he'll give his first presser in the US since January at 4pm today. I wonder if he'll take questions or talk to ghosts again.

I'm always amused when I see people post about how bad Biden is, and then remember that he beat Trump handily. Trump got beaten by the most milquetoast candidate since Michael Dukakis.

[Shaps]

All things considered, this was a pretty solid win for democrats.

Credit to them for hiding Biden in the basement, letting his wife campaign for him and him as much out of the news as they could.

Now he'll give his first presser in the US since January at 4pm today. I wonder if he'll take questions or talk to ghosts again.

I'm just waiting for the heating fuel crunch to slam the northern states. People got what they wanted. As said, I'm just going to watch it all burn at this point. This election only proved (for the first time ever in the US IMO) that peoples own well being is no longer their first concern, partisanship "winning" is... So be it.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm just waiting for the heating fuel crunch to slam the northern states. People got what they wanted. As said, I'm just going to watch it all burn at this point. This election only proved (for the first time ever in the US IMO) that peoples own well being is no longer their first concern, partisanship "winning" is... So be it.

It won't be any worse than it was the past two years.

[Shaps]

It won't be any worse than it was the past two years.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-11-07/the-us-northeast-is-hurtling-toward-a-winter-heating-crisis

"The US Northeast Is Hurtling Toward a Winter Heating Crisis - Region is rationing heating oil, warning of natural gas shortages"

Is it though?

As said. People are going to get what they want.

[Gelston]

I'm always amused when I see people post about how bad Biden is, and then remember that he beat Trump handily. Trump got beaten by the most milquetoast candidate since Michael Dukakis.

And? I didn't vote for Trump last election. Any generic Republican other than Trump would have annihilated Biden. And generic Republican other than Trump would have destroyed Hillary even more. Trump is literally the worst candidate the Republicans could put forth, and he STILL got a term.

[Seran]

Except that credible exit polling indicates otherwise. The overwhelming majority including Democrats do not want to see Joe Biden run for re-election in 2024. Biden got what he wanted with voters making a choice instead of an referendum, but that doesn’t mean the economy is great or crime isn’t a huge concern.

Republicans and Republican backed polling clearly underestimated the importance on issues like abortion and preservation of democracy (those fears of preserving our democracy are totally unfounded in my opinion, but that doesn’t matter). 2/3rds of Americans want 1st trimester abortions to be solidified as legal, but most also are not ok with legal abortions up until birth.

But by all means…run Biden again in 2024 and keep ignoring issues with inflation / the economy / illegal immigration / foreign policy and energy dependence / etc. I expect no less from you, but you are choosing to be blind. Return the favor of underestimating the opposition and what’s important to everyday Americans, and we will see how far that takes you in 2 years.

To your first point, there is no question that the majority Democrats aren't impressed with Biden and would rather see another candidate (that's not Kamala Harris) run in 2024. But take a step back and ask whether they dont want him to run because he's done a bad job, or because they've fed into the consistent Republican media message that he's done a bad job. Realistically, he hasn't done a bad job. Like Trump, everytime he miss-speaks, stumbles, or looks awkward it's magnified through a hyper critical lense by opposition media.

To your second point, then issue of abortion, the lack of a clear message and plan, and finally Trump's train wreck rallies bemoaning his legal exposure has turned down Republican turnout. Any candidate than him would likely stand a chance to beat Biden coming up.

To that point, Biden won't run again. The Democrat party is going to line up behind someone younger, well spoken, and well known who isn't checking an equal opportunity box.

[kutter]

To that point, Biden won't run again. The Democrat party is going to line up behind someone younger, well spoken, and well known who isn't checking an equal opportunity box.

There is one major hiccup in your plan, Biden says he is running again. How are you going to tell a sitting president, the leader of the democrat party that he is not running? It would create a HUGE rift in the democrat party.

[Archigeek]

There is one major hiccup in your plan, Biden says he is running again. How are you going to tell a sitting president, the leader of the democrat party that he is not running? It would create a HUGE rift in the democrat party.

Possibly, but if he wasn't actually running, there's a pretty good chance he would say he was at this point, so who knows what will actually happen? I think he's too darn old, but then I think Trump was too. No one in their 70s, let alone 80s, should run for president. The job takes too much energy. I have no idea if he'll actually run, but I'm guessing he probably will, but the margin is like 60/40.

[Shaps]

There is one major hiccup in your plan, Biden says he is running again. How are you going to tell a sitting president, the leader of the democrat party that he is not running? It would create a HUGE rift in the democrat party.

That's the thing... no one likes Biden. Left or right.

Even if he does run, and someone runs against him... it won't matter one bit. Because the jackasses that vote Democrat, will continue to vote Democrat no matter what - regardless of how bad their daily life gets.

That's the whole takeaway I got from this election. You can't have much worse happen to a country over 2 years... literally everyone was affected for the worse... it should have been similar to 1980 after Carter, Clinton getting crushed mid-term, or Obama getting crushed mid-term... but it wasn't... it was still a flat 50/50 split.

Partisanship has taken over self-interest.

Because of that, it's going to all implode.

[Archigeek]

That's the thing... no one likes Biden. Left or right.

Even if he does run, and someone runs against him... it won't matter one bit. Because the jackasses that vote Democrat, will continue to vote Democrat no matter what - regardless of how bad their daily life gets.

That's the whole takeaway I got from this election. You can't have much worse happen to a country over 2 years... literally everyone was affected for the worse... it should have been similar to 1980 after Carter, Clinton getting crushed mid-term, or Obama getting crushed mid-term... but it wasn't... it was still a flat 50/50 split.

Partisanship has taken over self-interest.

Because of that, it's going to all implode.

Really? You think it can't get much worse than this? It's not really bad. Gas prices, in spite of a lot of ups and downs are pretty moderate, unemployment rates are super low, and consumers have huge amounts of capital to spend, because they have been stuck at home for 2 years. Inflation is bad yes, but that is most definitely not driven be recession, but instead by high demand, coupled with supply chain issues. If you think it can't get much worse, you've forgotten even your recent history, such as the Great Recession of 2008. There are probably at least a half dozen economic periods just in my lifetime that are worse than this.

[Tgo01]

Gas prices, in spite of a lot of upside and downs are pretty moderate

The hell you talking about?

It rarely got above 3 dollars a gallon under Trump, hell it rarely moved above 3.50 a gallon under all 8 years of Obama. Today in my area it's 4.50 a gallon, and considering how much fracking has improved over the past decade we should be pumping out record amounts of oil and gas and driving these prices down.

What alternate reality do you live in where "it's not really bad"? Oh right, you're a well off older white dude who lives in Minnesota and you think the Democrats there are doing a great job. That explains everything then.

[Shaps]

Really? You think it can't get much worse than this? It's not really bad. Gas prices, in spite of a lot of ups and downs are pretty moderate, unemployment rates are super low, and consumers have huge amounts of capital to spend, because they have been stuck at home for 2 years. Inflation is bad yes, but that is most definitely not driven be recession, but instead by high demand, coupled with supply chain issues. If you think it can't get much worse, you've forgotten even your recent history, such as the Great Recession of 2008. There are probably at least a half dozen economic periods just in my lifetime that are worse than this.

I said you "can't have much worse" happen. Not that it was the worst.

As said, done trying at this point. Just going to watch it all happen, and laugh as it does.

[Methais]

That's the thing... no one likes Biden. Left or right.

That's not true. Seran likes Biden...



To your first point, there is no question that the majority Democrats aren't impressed with Biden and would rather see another candidate (that's not Kamala Harris) run in 2024. But take a step back and ask whether they dont want him to run because he's done a bad job, or because they've fed into the consistent Republican media message that he's done a bad job. Realistically, he hasn't done a bad job. Like Trump, everytime he miss-speaks, stumbles, or looks awkward it's magnified through a hyper critical lense by opposition media.

According to Seran, "the majority of democrats" not liking Biden is the fault of "the consistent Republican media message" because Biden in reality is a fantastic president.

Also Seran: "Why does everyone think I'm retarded?"


Like Trump, everytime he miss-speaks, stumbles, or looks awkward it's magnified through a hyper critical lense by opposition media.

And in the case of Trump, people like you eat it up and spend years regurgitating all of it, even shit that's long been debunked.


As much as I'd like to see Trump get another term and bulldoze the fuck out of DC in addition to getting to watch another 4 years of hilarious leftist meltdowns, I think DeSantis would have a much better chance of getting in the White House. But I don't see Trump's ego allowing him to not run again either. I'm not even sure if Trump's ego would prevent him from not running as an Independent if he didn't make it through the primaries, which would obviously be a disaster. A Trump/DeSantis ticket could be possible, but if there's one thing leftists excel at, it's being butthurt, and Trump already causes them enough 24/7 butthurt without even being in office anymore.

[Seran]

There is one major hiccup in your plan, Biden says he is running again. How are you going to tell a sitting president, the leader of the democrat party that he is not running? It would create a HUGE rift in the democrat party.

Pretty sure he was just saying that for the mid terms to display Democratic cohesion.

[Seran]

Possibly, but if he wasn't actually running, there's a pretty good chance he would say he was at this point, so who knows what will actually happen? I think he's too darn old, but then I think Trump was too. No one in their 70s, let alone 80s, should run for president. The job takes too much energy. I have no idea if he'll actually run, but I'm guessing he probably will, but the margin is like 60/40.

If he did, he certainly wouldn't make it through his full term due to health issues. The older the candidate, the bigger emphasis is put on the bottom of the ticket and lets face it, Harris isn't a Democrat mostly want in the Whitehouse.

[Seran]

That's the thing... no one likes Biden. Left or right.

Even if he does run, and someone runs against him... it won't matter one bit. Because the jackasses that vote Democrat, will continue to vote Democrat no matter what - regardless of how bad their daily life gets.

That's the whole takeaway I got from this election. You can't have much worse happen to a country over 2 years... literally everyone was affected for the worse... it should have been similar to 1980 after Carter, Clinton getting crushed mid-term, or Obama getting crushed mid-term... but it wasn't... it was still a flat 50/50 split.

Partisanship has taken over self-interest.

Because of that, it's going to all implode.

You're pretending life is bad, but it's not. Democrats aren't suddenly going to vote for the moronic far right conservatives simply because they don't prefer whomever the candidate is. Trump barely made it into office, George W was the exact same way in his first year. Partisanship is all you've seen from the Republican party due to their control in a narrowly divided Senate. Until Trump goes away, they probably won't see the Whitehouse again.

[Seran]

The hell you talking about?

It rarely got above 3 dollars a gallon under Trump, hell it rarely moved above 3.50 a gallon under all 8 years of Obama. Today in my area it's 4.50 a gallon, and considering how much fracking has improved over the past decade we should be pumping out record amounts of oil and gas and driving these prices down.

What alternate reality do you live in where "it's not really bad"? Oh right, you're a well off older white dude who lives in Minnesota and you think the Democrats there are doing a great job. That explains everything then.

Average price per gallon is rapidly falling to what it was under the Trump and Obama administration. To use that as a sole barometer for the success or failure of a Presidency is asinine.

[Methais]

Partisanship is all you've seen from the Republican party due to their control in a narrowly divided Senate.

This is totally just a republican thing. Right?

[kutter]

Average price per gallon is rapidly falling to what it was under the Trump and Obama administration. To use that as a sole barometer for the success or failure of a Presidency is asinine.

Want to re-think that whole rapidly falling thing?9974

[~Rocktar~]

Want to re-think that whole rapidly falling thing?9974

He would have to think in the first place in order to "re-think" anything.

[Alfster]

Stating facts isn't playing victim

You wouldn't know what a fact was if it hit you upside the head. Hint: the claim I quoted has no basis in facts.

[Methais]

Want to re-think that whole rapidly falling thing?9974

Seran on Monday: Walks into a dildo shop and see a new dildo priced at $10.

Seran on Tuesday: Walks into same dildo shop and sees the same dildo from Monday "on sale" for $20 and "marked down" from $40.

Seran an hour later: GUYS CHECK OUT MY NEW DILDO I GOT IT ON SALE FOR HALF PRICE AND SAVED $20!!!!!


^ This is the type of voter that democrat politicians depend on.

[Alfster]

And? I didn't vote for Trump last election. Any generic Republican other than Trump would have annihilated Biden. And generic Republican other than Trump would have destroyed Hillary even more. Trump is literally the worst candidate the Republicans could put forth, and he STILL got a term.

It's why the gop won't continue paying his legal fees if he runs again. Only the deep MAGA crazies think he's going to win

[Tgo01]

Want to re-think that whole rapidly falling thing?9974

If you just ignore the part where it went flat for several weeks then started going up again, then it's totally rapidly falling!

Even if it were rapidly falling, this is by far the dumbest argument I have seen put forward by anyone, ever, in the history of the entire universe, and that's not an exaggeration on my part.

This is literally the argument they want people gobble up and repeat like good sheep: In just a year Biden caused the price of gas to skyrocket to highs we never thought possible, but then the prices started to "rapidly fall" to the point where gas is still at an all time high, just not as high as before, and therefore Biden is doing a great job!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm always amused when I see people post about how bad Biden is, and then remember that he beat Trump handily. Trump got beaten by the most milquetoast candidate since Michael Dukakis.

Trump beat himself. All he had to do was deliver the policy that he was delivering, and shut up. Had he done that, he'd be a two term and likely most successful president ever, but his ego got in the way.

[Tgo01]

I'm also not sure why Democrats are claiming victory just yet. It's looking like a sure bet that Republicans will get the House, maybe not by the margins people predicted, but just having 1 vote more than Democrats is enough to put a stop to Biden's insane agenda.

Also in the Senate it's pretty much settled on all but 3 races, putting Republicans at 49 and Democrats at 48. The 3 remaining races are Nevada, which is sure looking like it's going red, Arizona is probably going blue but a chance it goes red, and then we have Georgia which is a complete wild card at this point.

It's still entirely possible Republicans could pick up the Senate, again it's only by 1 seat and not the 3-4 some people were predicting, but again 1 seat is all we need in the Senate to put a stop to Biden's insane picks for judges and other shit.

You also have to figure this was a very tough Senate map for Republicans this time around. Not only did they have to defend more seats than Democrats, but a lot of the seats Democrats were defending were in safe blue states. Come 2024 and Republicans will have a much better Senate map and Democrats will be playing more defensively.

Sure Republicans didn't do as well in state elections as a lot of people predicted, but when it comes to federal the Republicans did well enough.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm also not sure why Democrats are claiming victory just yet

Because it wasn't a total conservative red tsunami like it looked like 8 weeks ago. I personally think they played the Roe v. Wade shit to the hilt and kudos to them for doing it.

[Tgo01]

Because it wasn't a total conservative red tsunami like it looked like 8 weeks ago. I personally think they played the Roe v. Wade shit to the hilt and kudos to them for doing it.

Meh. Doesn't matter too much if we win the House by 10 seats or 30 seats. Really anything more than 5 seats is just gravy.

Also yes, kudos to Democrats for not codifying Roe v Wade the numerous times they could have in the past when they controlled congress and the presidency and instead just waiting for the day when the supreme court struck down Roe so Democrats could then campaign on that issue.

Democrats sure do know how to play their base like a fiddle.

[Alfster]

Trump beat himself. All he had to do was deliver the policy that he was delivering, and shut up. Had he done that, he'd be a two term and likely most successful president ever, but his ego got in the way.

I think if he'd just gotten covid and hung out in the Whitehouse being quiet from October on he'd have won

[Suppressed Poet]

Really? You think it can't get much worse than this? It's not really bad. Gas prices, in spite of a lot of ups and downs are pretty moderate, unemployment rates are super low, and consumers have huge amounts of capital to spend, because they have been stuck at home for 2 years. Inflation is bad yes, but that is most definitely not driven be recession, but instead by high demand, coupled with supply chain issues. If you think it can't get much worse, you've forgotten even your recent history, such as the Great Recession of 2008. There are probably at least a half dozen economic periods just in my lifetime that are worse than this.

I’ll concede that everything you just said is correct in that it’s not so bad right now. The economic sky hasn’t fallen & we have been through much more times. That being said:

1) The Biden admin has greatly aided in inflation problems through their energy policy and excessive government spending. Yes the deficit was slightly reduced this year but 2020 & 2021 were all time highs and troubled times with Covid sending our economy into a temporary coma. Biden shouldn’t have all the blame for out of control inflation as supply chain issues, a major European war, and other factors contributed. Still, a significant portion of the problems in our economy rest on his shoulders. Adding insult to injury he first failed to acknowledge inflation was an issue, then called it transitory, then blamed everything else without acknowledging his own role in it, then named a spending bill after reducing inflation.

2) It is absolutely certain to get worse from this point. We all know what happens when the only response to inflation is the federal reserve raising interest rates. The employment rate takes some time to catchup to market conditions, but we’re already starting to see negative effects. Look no further than tech & housing as an example. A recession is inevitable. I work in financial services for a large US financial institution, and we have been preparing for it for months now through risk mitigation efforts. Don’t take my word for it…pay attention to what banks are doing and what their leadership team says about the health of our economy. We will have a recession in 2023, it’s just a question of for how long and how deep.

[Suppressed Poet]

To your first point, there is no question that the majority Democrats aren't impressed with Biden and would rather see another candidate (that's not Kamala Harris) run in 2024. But take a step back and ask whether they dont want him to run because he's done a bad job, or because they've fed into the consistent Republican media message that he's done a bad job. Realistically, he hasn't done a bad job. Like Trump, everytime he miss-speaks, stumbles, or looks awkward it's magnified through a hyper critical lense by opposition media.

To your second point, then issue of abortion, the lack of a clear message and plan, and finally Trump's train wreck rallies bemoaning his legal exposure has turned down Republican turnout. Any candidate than him would likely stand a chance to beat Biden coming up.

To that point, Biden won't run again. The Democrat party is going to line up behind someone younger, well spoken, and well known who isn't checking an equal opportunity box.

I’ll give you credit here that this particular post makes sense and I actually agree on some of the things you said. The parts that I don’t agree with are not worth arguing about.

Who is this younger well spoken candidate? Mayor Pete who is an incompetent progressive in disguise that checks the LBGTQ+ box? Gavin Newsom? I know you can’t comprehend it as someone who admires him, but his radical California politics and obvious failures as a governor will not translate well in a national general election. I’m curious on who you think it will be.

At any rate, if the Dems push out Biden…what kind of message does that say to voters? You can’t say he is both a great amazing President & we also want him gone. In addition, it’s going to be an interesting thing to watch the Dems eat each other at the same time as Republicans.

[drumpel]

Average price per gallon is rapidly falling to what it was under the Trump and Obama administration. To use that as a sole barometer for the success or failure of a Presidency is asinine.

Define "rapidly".

May of 2021 is when gas prices exceeded the highest price it ever was under Trump, in MN. It only took 3 months after Biden got into office that gas prices matched the highest it was under Trump, then 2 months later it surpassed that point and had been going up and up and up and up until around the end of June, start of July 2022. For 13 months gas prices have soared above what they were under Trump and only recently started to decline and not fast, not fast at all.

Gas was barely over $2 the last year Trump was in office and the three years prior the highest gas got was $2.75 in July of 2018.

Get the fuck out of here with your dementia.

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMnVMrA5rHs

Biden - today. Yes, this is who the electorate voted for. This is who people are supporting. This is the leader of the free world.

As said... citizens self interest no longer matters. They will run this country into the ground based solely on partisan voting - regardless of how bad it gets for them, their family, or their friends.

The brainwashing is complete.

[Seran]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CMnVMrA5rHs

Biden - today. Yes, this is who the electorate voted for. This is who people are supporting. This is the leader of the free world.

As said... citizens self interest no longer matters. They will run this country into the ground based solely on partisan voting - regardless of how bad it gets for them, their family, or their friends.

The brainwashing is complete.

One stutter and something the far right already wanted to rage quit over? Waaaa

[Seran]

Define "rapidly".

May of 2021 is when gas prices exceeded the highest price it ever was under Trump, in MN. It only took 3 months after Biden got into office that gas prices matched the highest it was under Trump, then 2 months later it surpassed that point and had been going up and up and up and up until around the end of June, start of July 2022. For 13 months gas prices have soared above what they were under Trump and only recently started to decline and not fast, not fast at all.

Gas was barely over $2 the last year Trump was in office and the three years prior the highest gas got was $2.75 in July of 2018.

Get the fuck out of here with your dementia.

Trump didn't have the unprovoked invasion by one or the world's top oil producing countries of another European power. How about you get the fuck out of here with your repetitive nonsense.

[Seran]

I’ll give you credit here that this particular post makes sense and I actually agree on some of the things you said. The parts that I don’t agree with are not worth arguing about.

Who is this younger well spoken candidate? Mayor Pete who is an incompetent progressive in disguise that checks the LBGTQ+ box? Gavin Newsom? I know you can’t comprehend it as someone who admires him, but his radical California politics and obvious failures as a governor will not translate well in a national general election. I’m curious on who you think it will be.

At any rate, if the Dems push out Biden…what kind of message does that say to voters? You can’t say he is both a great amazing President & we also want him gone. In addition, it’s going to be an interesting thing to watch the Dems eat each other at the same time as Republicans.

Gavin Newsom for the same reason why he's appealing to Democrats that DeSantis is appealing to a lot of Republicans. He represents either core values or speaks to causes that are realistic and achievable outside of a reactionary Congress. Newsom doesn't need Republican votes, nor are his policies particularly radical. Minimum wages? Cleaner and more abundant drinking water? Educational rights? Those are mainstream Democrat ideas. The Reparations committee will likely come back to haunt him with some moderate Republicans and Conservative Democrats , but that too has been a mainstream liberal dream for some reason.

[~Rocktar~]

Trump didn't have the unprovoked invasion by one or the world's top oil producing countries of another European power. How about you get the fuck out of here with your repetitive nonsense.

Unprovoked? I guess you could call it unprovoked when Biden stood up and invited him to invade and said a small incursion would be ok.

[Solkern]

Newsom and DeSantis would be a really good race.

[Archigeek]

I’ll concede that everything you just said is correct in that it’s not so bad right now. The economic sky hasn’t fallen & we have been through much more times. That being said:

1) The Biden admin has greatly aided in inflation problems through their energy policy and excessive government spending. Yes the deficit was slightly reduced this year but 2020 & 2021 were all time highs and troubled times with Covid sending our economy into a temporary coma. Biden shouldn’t have all the blame for out of control inflation as supply chain issues, a major European war, and other factors contributed. Still, a significant portion of the problems in our economy rest on his shoulders. Adding insult to injury he first failed to acknowledge inflation was an issue, then called it transitory, then blamed everything else without acknowledging his own role in it, then named a spending bill after reducing inflation.

2) It is absolutely certain to get worse from this point. We all know what happens when the only response to inflation is the federal reserve raising interest rates. The employment rate takes some time to catchup to market conditions, but we’re already starting to see negative effects. Look no further than tech & housing as an example. A recession is inevitable. I work in financial services for a large US financial institution, and we have been preparing for it for months now through risk mitigation efforts. Don’t take my word for it…pay attention to what banks are doing and what their leadership team says about the health of our economy. We will have a recession in 2023, it’s just a question of for how long and how deep.

I think most of what you're saying is correct, but it's a very strange time economically. On the one hand, we have businesses all preparing for a recession, not just banks. This makes us almost predestined that we'll get one. On the other hand, consumers are still loaded with lots of cash to spend. This bifarcation makes it really hard to tell what's going to happen or how long it's going to last. I was chatting with a friend of mine this evening who's a VP at ATT and he agreed 100% that it's very difficult to tell what will happen next. We both agreed that either recession in the business sector will drag down consumer spending, or consumer spending will lift the business sector. Some level of recession is almost inevitable.

[drumpel]

Trump didn't have the unprovoked invasion by one or the world's top oil producing countries of another European power. How about you get the fuck out of here with your repetitive nonsense.

Says the fucking retard that claims gas is almost as low as it was during Trump's time in office.

When did Russia invade Ukraine during Biden's watch? It was right at the end of February 2022.
Gas prices between March of 2021 and until end of February 2022 in MN went from $2.75 (highest price of gas under Trump) to $3.43. I guess that $0.68 increase just a preemptive increase for the thought of a possible unprovoked invasion?

I used to see your posts as childish ignorance about how you viewed things, almost like you just weren't smart enough to really understand how things worked, but you tried. However, as time continues to move on and you continue to post the dumbest fucking things it just helps further cement in everyone how truly fucking retarded you are.

I think I need to make up a new word like you did when you said MRI surplanted X-rays so we can better define just how dumb you really are. Retard....doesn't convey enough. Moron isn't enough. Ignorant....nope, that doesn't do your level of stupidity justice.

I'm not good at making up pretend words like you are. I guess we'll just give it more time and I'm sure you'll provide us with one. On the other hand, you could us all a favor and go drink some bleach, but you're probably too stupid to know how to remove the child safety cap on it.

[Seran]

That's hilarious, the idiot, mostly moronic Repubtard is now desperately grasping at straws using his local gas station and another thread he failed English Comprehension 101 on to protect his fee fees. Sad.

[Parkbandit]

Meh. Doesn't matter too much if we win the House by 10 seats or 30 seats. Really anything more than 5 seats is just gravy.

That's not entirely true. No Democrat will cross over to vote with the Republicans and there is some Republicans that always go across the aisle to get media attention. With a 5 seat majority, you can only have 4 of them go across the aisle to get anything passed. With 30, you can let the media whores go and not give a shit.


Also yes, kudos to Democrats for not codifying Roe v Wade the numerous times they could have in the past when they controlled congress and the presidency and instead just waiting for the day when the supreme court struck down Roe so Democrats could then campaign on that issue.

Democrats sure do know how to play their base like a fiddle.

Abortion probably cost Republicans seats in Wisconsin and Michigan, where abortion was on the ballot. The Democrats don't give a shit about abortion and only use it for a wedge issue. Most Americans would be happy to allow abortions with most European countries.. 12-15 weeks.. after that only because of rape/incest and the health of the mother. Democrats don't want that.. because if it were settled, they couldn't use the subject anymore. By not having a normal abortion policy, Democrats AND Republicans can use it to motivate their bases for votes.

We're all being played.

[Parkbandit]

Really? You think it can't get much worse than this? It's not really bad. Gas prices, in spite of a lot of ups and downs are pretty moderate, unemployment rates are super low, and consumers have huge amounts of capital to spend, because they have been stuck at home for 2 years. Inflation is bad yes, but that is most definitely not driven be recession, but instead by high demand, coupled with supply chain issues. If you think it can't get much worse, you've forgotten even your recent history, such as the Great Recession of 2008. There are probably at least a half dozen economic periods just in my lifetime that are worse than this.

If you think this is the worst it's going to get, you've forgotten even your recent history.

This is just the start. 2023 is going to suck for a lot of people.

[Parkbandit]

That's hilarious, the idiot, mostly moronic Repubtard is now desperately grasping at straws using his local gas station and another thread he failed English Comprehension 101 on to protect his fee fees. Sad.

Seran is surplanting again...........

[drumpel]

That's hilarious, the idiot, mostly moronic Repubtard is now desperately grasping at straws using his local gas station and another thread he failed English Comprehension 101 on to protect his fee fees. Sad.

"Repubtard" isn't good enough, but keep trying to get that made up word that helps define your stupidity. I'll help you remember how dumb you are so you can try again:

https://i.ibb.co/dm5bhLN/Capture2.png

https://i.ibb.co/9qcYGgD/Capture.png


This will help you also get on the track of understanding how deep your ignorance goes:
https://media.tenor.com/T6aghsaOM5MAAAAC/waterboy-spoon.gif

[Methais]

I’ll concede that everything you just said is correct in that it’s not so bad right now. The economic sky hasn’t fallen & we have been through much more times. That being said:

1) The Biden admin has greatly aided in inflation problems through their energy policy and excessive government spending. Yes the deficit was slightly reduced this year but 2020 & 2021 were all time highs and troubled times with Covid sending our economy into a temporary coma. Biden shouldn’t have all the blame for out of control inflation as supply chain issues, a major European war, and other factors contributed. Still, a significant portion of the problems in our economy rest on his shoulders. Adding insult to injury he first failed to acknowledge inflation was an issue, then called it transitory, then blamed everything else without acknowledging his own role in it, then named a spending bill after reducing inflation.

Don't forget about how he blamed gas stations for high gas prices too. :lol:

[Methais]

Define "rapidly".

May of 2021 is when gas prices exceeded the highest price it ever was under Trump, in MN. It only took 3 months after Biden got into office that gas prices matched the highest it was under Trump, then 2 months later it surpassed that point and had been going up and up and up and up until around the end of June, start of July 2022. For 13 months gas prices have soared above what they were under Trump and only recently started to decline and not fast, not fast at all.

Gas was barely over $2 the last year Trump was in office and the three years prior the highest gas got was $2.75 in July of 2018.

Get the fuck out of here with your dementia.

Seran will just ignore all of Biden's anti-oil energy policies and keep mindlessly blaming it on "greedy big oil" until his TV tells him to blame something else.

[Methais]

One stutter and something the far right already wanted to rage quit over? Waaaa

Right, because the video was totally about only his stuttering and not the actual words he was saying in response to the questions he was being asked.

Stop being such a dishonest cuck.

[Methais]

Everything drumpel said about me is correct, and I am very butthurt now.

This is correct.

[Shaps]

https://youtu.be/r-Tr3f4hVBM

Leader of the Free World.

[drumpel]

https://youtu.be/r-Tr3f4hVBM

Leader of the Free World.

Hahaha. He must have been reading off of Seran's teleprompter....or maybe someone surplanted those words into his brain.

[SHAFT]

Define "rapidly".

May of 2021 is when gas prices exceeded the highest price it ever was under Trump, in MN. It only took 3 months after Biden got into office that gas prices matched the highest it was under Trump, then 2 months later it surpassed that point and had been going up and up and up and up until around the end of June, start of July 2022. For 13 months gas prices have soared above what they were under Trump and only recently started to decline and not fast, not fast at all.

Gas was barely over $2 the last year Trump was in office and the three years prior the highest gas got was $2.75 in July of 2018.

Get the fuck out of here with your dementia.

Losers pay attention to gas prices and bitch about it. Don’t be a broke bitch

[drumpel]

Losers pay attention to gas prices and bitch about it. Don’t be a broke bitch

https://y.yarn.co/8df861d0-6331-472c-9270-c6998370af19_text.gif

[Methais]

Losers don't pay attention to gas prices because they don't work or own a vehicle. Don’t be a broke bitch

This is correct.

[Tgo01]

Biden bragged that Democrats did better in this midterm than under any Democrat president in the past 40 years. Uh...there have only been 2 Democrat presidents in the past 40 years so...good job? You still lost the House and there's a chance you could still lose the Senate.

[ClydeR]

Kari Lake is confident that she will overtake her opponent's election-night lead in the Arizona governor race.


https://i.imgur.com/xHCUCYj.png
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1590763350304391168

[Parkbandit]

Losers pay attention to gas prices and bitch about it. Don’t be a broke bitch, ride a tricycle like me!

You go Shaft!

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[Alfster]

Abortion probably cost Republicans seats in Wisconsin and Michigan, where abortion was on the ballot.

Abortion was not on the ballet in Wisconsin.

[SHAFT]

rEd WaVe

Dems might hold the house along with the senate lol. Fucking pathetic showing from republicans.

[Parkbandit]

rEd WaVe

Dems might hold the house along with the senate lol. Fucking pathetic showing from republicans.

So far, Dems have lost 7 seats overall and the Republicans have gained 6... but yea, Dems really clobbered the Republicans this time!

[Realk]

You go Shaft!

https://cdn.shopify.com/s/files/1/2423/7685/products/rifton-trike-large-boy-alone.jpg?v=1560408083

I feel like wearing a seat belt on that thing would be more harmful than good.

[Gelston]

I feel like wearing a seat belt on that thing would be more harmful than good.

They are more worried about him getting off the device and running around.

[Parkbandit]

I feel like wearing a seat belt on that thing would be more harmful than good.

If you don't keep track of retards like SHAFT, they will go places they aren't supposed to.

[Seran]

So far, Dems have lost 7 seats overall and the Republicans have gained 6... but yea, Dems really clobbered the Republicans this time!

Meanwhile, Democrats have flipped a Senate seat and retain control of that chamber and very well may keep Georgia as well. Sad times for the GOP.

[SHAFT]

Meanwhile, Democrats have flipped a Senate seat and retain control of that chamber and very well may keep Georgia as well. Sad times for the GOP.

Will republicans continue to support Walker now they don’t need him? Bet they drop him.

[~Rocktar~]

Meanwhile, Democrats have flipped a Senate seat and retain control of that chamber and very well may keep Georgia as well. Sad times for the GOP.

What is abstinence and how are Republicans trying to ban it?

[Seran]

Will republicans continue to support Walker now they don’t need him? Bet they drop him.

Not only will they support him, they'll throw record amounts of money to ensure he wins the runoff. Why? Because if Democrats win, they'll have a lot easier time circumventing Manchin and Senema as they pretend to be Republicans and block any progress, reform or compromise in the name of political donations.

[Gelston]

Not only will they support him, they'll throw record amounts of money to ensure he wins the runoff. Why? Because if Democrats win, they'll have a lot easier time circumventing Manchin and Senema as they pretend to be Republicans and block any progress, reform or compromise in the name of political donations.

You enjoy eating poop.

[ClydeR]

Don't be too quick to say that you know why the election turned out as it did. You know what you overlooked? Covid!


So again, lots of factors were at play. Including one that doesn’t get talked about much: excess COVID deaths. There’s been an ongoing study of the Republican resistance to the COVID vaccines and the preliminary findings suggest that post-vaccine, Republicans accounted for about 80 percent more of the excess deaths than Democrats. Part of this is because of vaccine hesitancy; part of it is because of the age profile of voters.

I’m not going to burden you with the math here, but if you want to read up on it, the data is quite striking, all the way to the county level (https://www.pewresearch.org/politics/2022/03/03/the-changing-political-geography-of-covid-19-over-the-last-two-years/).

To take just one example: between January 2021 and this month, 9,400 people in Nevada died of COVID. The data suggests that the majority of these people would have been Republican voters. Keep that number in mind.

More... (https://thetriad.thebulwark.com/p/how-trump-and-desantis-will-attack)


Republicans are on track to win the national House popular vote by +4. In terms of the expression of popular support, this was the party’s best showing of the Trump era.

[ClydeR]

Not only will they support him, they'll throw record amounts of money to ensure he wins the runoff. Why? Because if Democrats win, they'll have a lot easier time circumventing Manchin and Senema as they pretend to be Republicans and block any progress, reform or compromise in the name of political donations.

Many Republicans held their noses to vote for Walker, thinking his victory might just tip the balance of power in the Senate. Now that they know Walker will not be a factor in Senate control, he should expect to lose the next vote by a much larger margin than he lost this vote.

[kutter]

Many Republicans held their noses to vote for Walker, thinking his victory might just tip the balance of power in the Senate. Now that they know Walker will not be a factor in Senate control, he should expect to lose the next vote by a much larger margin than he lost this vote.

That might be true, but historically republicans have done better in special elections than democrats so I think this one is a toss up.

[ClydeR]

Kari Lake is confident that she will overtake her opponent's election-night lead in the Arizona governor race.


https://i.imgur.com/xHCUCYj.png
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1590763350304391168



The forkening was premature.

[Parkbandit]

Will republicans continue to support Walker now they don’t need him? Bet they drop him.

Tell us you are in desperate need of a civics class for retards without telling us you desperately need a civic class for retards.

[Seran]

Kari Lake is confident that she will overtake her opponent's election-night lead in the Arizona governor race.


https://i.imgur.com/xHCUCYj.png
https://twitter.com/KariLake/status/1590763350304391168

Amazing how they know the total and content of all of these ballots that 'have yet to be counted'. Mike Lindell and Sydney Powell are doing a bangup job running her communications center!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Amazing how they know the total and content of all of these ballots that 'have yet to be counted'. Mike Lindell and Sydney Powell are doing a bangup job running her communications center!

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGvUaW0VQAQ-28k.jpg

[drumpel]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGvUaW0VQAQ-28k.jpg

I wouldn't care if I was Democrat, Republican or just some schmuck for Independence - I wouldn't want this loser to back me. She'll always be known as the one that lost to Trump.

[ClydeR]

Thirteen House seats remain to be called. To win control of the House, Republicans need to win just 1 of those 13. Democrats would need to win 13 of 13.






https://i.imgur.com/STJjZOD.png

The image is from Google's interactive display of the AP's election calls, available by searching on Google for "election results."

[SHAFT]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/FGvUaW0VQAQ-28k.jpg

Dude that nearly 7 years ago. I remember when trump donated to Clinton and was happy as a clam taking pictures with her.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Dude that nearly 7 years ago. I remember when trump donated to Clinton and was happy as a clam taking pictures with her.

Dude I was posting it reflecting on the irony of Seran's dumb post about another politician doing a victory dance before the reality hit them. All politicians like taking pictures with whales as well.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Thirteen House seats remain to be called. To win control of the House, Republicans need to win just 1 of those 13. Democrats would need to win 13 of 13.





https://i.imgur.com/STJjZOD.png


The image is from Google's interactive display of the AP's election calls, available by searching on Google for "election results."

See that shitty blue district between Kansas and Missouri... I live there. It's insane how that partisan bitch got re-elected considering she votes 100% with pelosi. I can't believe I got sucked in and voted for her once.

[Parkbandit]

Dude that nearly 7 years ago. I remember when trump donated to Clinton and was happy as a clam taking pictures with her.

7 years ago.. and you are still so triggered.

Don't worry, Trump doesn't like you either.

https://media2.giphy.com/media/lPMSxygwKx7dOuEoGZ/giphy.gif

[Methais]

Dude that nearly 7 years ago. I remember when trump donated to Clinton and was happy as a clam taking pictures with her.

And in those same 7 years, you haven't stfu about Trump, even while he was out of office.

What is self-awareness and why is it important? (https://www.betterup.com/blog/what-is-self-awareness)

[Tgo01]

Democrats control all 2 House seats in Maine, all 2 in New Hampshire, all 9 in Massachusetts, all 5 in Connecticut, all 2 in Rhode Island, and all 3 in New Mexico.

But remember: it's just Republicans who gerrymander.

[Parkbandit]

Democrats control all 2 House seats in Maine, all 2 in New Hampshire, all 9 in Massachusetts, all 5 in Connecticut, all 2 in Rhode Island, and all 3 in New Mexico.

But remember: it's just Republicans who gerrymander.

Wait, did someone say that it's only Republicans that gerrymander?

[Bhaalizmo]

Wait, did someone say that it's only Republicans that gerrymander?

Wait, did you just ask if something TG01 made up was true?

[Parkbandit]

Wait, did you just ask if something TG01 made up was true?

We have a lot of REALLY stupid posters on this forum... you are easily on that list.

Let's call that the Bottom 1%ers.

Some of that bottom 1% claimed that Trump became President due to gerrymandering... or a Senator won due to gerrymandering.

So I would not be surprised in the least if one of you 1%ers actually did say that it's only Republicans that gerrymander.

[Tgo01]

Wait, did someone say that it's only Republicans that gerrymander?

It’s a common thing that leftists in general say and a couple of years ago the media was frothing at the mouth at all of the gerrymandering Republicans were supposedly doing but they said shit like “Democrats position themselves to gain more seats in the House.”

I’m sure Seran has said it, he is Seran after all.

[Seran]

We have a lot of REALLY stupid posters on this forum... you are easily on that list.

Let's call that the Bottom 1%ers.

Some of that bottom 1% claimed that Trump became President due to gerrymandering... or a Senator won due to gerrymandering.

So I would not be surprised in the least if one of you 1%ers actually did say that it's only Republicans that gerrymander.

Pretty dumb to try and stir up controversy by throwing something out there you and almost everyone with a basic amount of intelligence is untrue.

[Parkbandit]

Pretty dumb to try and stir up controversy by throwing something out there you and almost everyone with a basic amount of intelligence is untrue.

But we're talking about you and the other Bottom 1%ers... and you lack that basic amount of intelligence.

I know gerrymandering isn't just a Republican tool.. just like I know that gerrymandering didn't have an impact on any Senate races and didn't win the election for Trump.

[~Rocktar~]

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[Solkern]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/315618094_673709894123189_3505116825712134251_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=6XSw7VHOA-0AX8L2mps&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAKSNcSwZeoF1BBk7dA3kJ0hbvaidymKZ3QuNDqh85x lA&oe=6381E8C8

Wait… you’re telling me politicians lie to get votes? Wow… didn’t know!

[Parkbandit]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/315618094_673709894123189_3505116825712134251_n.jp g?stp=cp6_dst-jpg_p526x296&_nc_cat=1&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=2c4854&_nc_ohc=6XSw7VHOA-0AX8L2mps&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AfAKSNcSwZeoF1BBk7dA3kJ0hbvaidymKZ3QuNDqh85x lA&oe=6381E8C8


My favorite so far is that the Democrats are blaming the Republicans for blocking it from passing.

[Solkern]

My favorite so far is that the Democrats are blaming the Republicans for blocking it from passing.

It’s typical for the left to blame the right and the right to blame the left.

[Seran]

Wait… you’re telling me politicians lie to get votes? Wow… didn’t know!

The United States made forgivable loans to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars to businesses and yet the GOP thinks the same to consumers is unconstitutional. Fucking retarded.

[Methais]

Pretty dumb to try and stir up controversy by throwing something out there you and almost everyone with a basic amount of intelligence is untrue.

You're bad at sentences.

[Methais]

Wait… you’re telling me politicians lie to get votes? Wow… didn’t know!

Plot twist: He's telling you that voters are extremely dumb and gullible. Especially the ones who vote democrat.


The United States made forgivable loans to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars to businesses and yet the GOP thinks the same to consumers is unconstitutional. Fucking retarded.

Sit down greasy welfare addict.

[Parkbandit]

It’s typical for the left to blame the right and the right to blame the left.

It is typical.. but not for something like this.

President Biden already stated that he couldn't forgive student debt.. that he didn't have the power to do so.. yet, he said he would do it anyway prior to the midterm election in a desperate effort to buy votes.

So he knew full well he was making an empty promise... and yet, his administration is blaming the Republicans for blocking it.

[Parkbandit]

The United States made forgivable loans to the tune of hundreds of billions of dollars to businesses and yet the GOP thinks the same to consumers is unconstitutional. Fucking retarded.

You would have to be the dumbest person on the planet to believe that an owner would take out a loan to keep his/her employees paid during a 2 week mandatory lockdown to "flatten the curve". The US government knew this and said they would be forgiven if they pay for the employees pay. This wasn't a loan, this was a way to "flatten the curve" to stop the spread of covid... and like pretty much everything government does.. failed miserably.

[Parkbandit]

Plot twist: He's telling you that voters are extremely dumb and gullible. Especially the ones who vote democrat.

It went over his head... like I intended it.

[~Rocktar~]

Sit down greasy welfare addict.

Wait, what? He is in welfare? I thought sure that someone this functionally retarded and intellectually stunted must be on SSI disability. That would explain the lack of supervision when on the internet.

[drumpel]

It is typical.. but not for something like this.

President Biden already stated that he couldn't forgive student debt.. that he didn't have the power to do so.. yet, he said he would do it anyway prior to the midterm election in a desperate effort to buy votes.

So he knew full well he was making an empty promise... and yet, his administration is blaming the Republicans for blocking it.

Whoa, whoa, whoa....back it up here.

I thought republicans were blocking abstinence? How can they also be blocking student debt loan forgiveness? How is it possible they keep blocking all these awesome things?!? WTF!

[Methais]

Whoa, whoa, whoa....back it up here.

I thought republicans were blocking abstinence? How can they also be blocking student debt loan forgiveness? How is it possible they keep blocking all these awesome things?!? WTF!

Not only that, but they're doing it with a minority in both the House and the Senate.

They must be blocking abortion legislation too I bet.

[Parkbandit]

Whoa, whoa, whoa....back it up here.

I thought republicans were blocking abstinence? How can they also be blocking student debt loan forgiveness? How is it possible they keep blocking all these awesome things?!? WTF!

Republicans have 2 hands (if they put their AR-15 down) and therefore can block 2 things at a time.

[Seran]

Sit down greasy welfare addict.

Just realized this is your only concept of what the GOP is about: being pro-business and anti-consumer. Terrifying.

[Methais]

Just realized I should probably get a job. Terrifying.

This is correct.

[Parkbandit]

Just realized this is your only concept of what the GOP is about: being pro-business and anti-consumer. Terrifying.

Sit down greasy welfare addict.

Pop another government issued Xanax, loser... I don't want you to be terrified.

[Solkern]

Plot twist: He's telling you that voters are extremely dumb and gullible. Especially the ones who vote democrat.



Sit down greasy welfare addict.

Double plot twist: there are just as gullible stupid voters that are republicans as well.

I think it’s every election: if the democrats win they will take away all your guns!!
Democrats win, guns don’t get taken away.

Rinse and repeat every election.

[~Rocktar~]

Double plot twist: there are just as gullible stupid voters that are republicans as well.

I think it’s every election: if the democrats win they will take away all your guns!!
Democrats win, guns don’t get taken away.

Rinse and repeat every election.

How many Red Flag laws were passed by Republicans? How about changes to ATF rules to ban weapons, parts and encumber sales? How many stealth taxes, fees, regulations and so on? Just because there isn't an outright ban on a weapon or weapons doesn't mean they aren't working on ways to ban guns. Don't be a FUDD.

[Solkern]

How many Red Flag laws were passed by Republicans? How about changes to ATF rules to ban weapons, parts and encumber sales? How many stealth taxes, fees, regulations and so on? Just because there isn't an outright ban on a weapon or weapons doesn't mean they aren't working on ways to ban guns. Don't be a FUDD.

Have they banned guns? A simple yes or no will do. While as a gun owner myself, I would definitely like to see more restrictions on who can own and buy them.

Putting restrictions, taxes, or more regulations, isn’t banning them at all, it’s a way to help control who can buy them. While you may not agree with their methods, it doesn’t mean they are banning them.

Big difference.

[~Rocktar~]

Have they banned guns? A simple yes or no will do. While as a gun owner myself, I would definitely like to see more restrictions on who can own and buy them.

Putting restrictions, taxes, or more regulations, isn’t banning them at all, it’s a way to help control who can buy them. While you may not agree with their methods, it doesn’t mean they are banning them.

Big difference.

So you are a FUDD. Got it. Piss off.

[Solkern]

So you are a FUDD. Got it. Piss off.

Actually I’m not. I fully support hand guns. Regarding semi-automatics only, I think there should be more restrictions on who can own and buy them such as an AR-15

[~Rocktar~]

Actually I’m not. I fully support hand guns. Regarding semi-automatics only, I think there should be more restrictions on who can own and buy them such as an AR-15

Classic FUDD, I am for (insert my gun here) and the rest need regulation cause it's not my favored weapon. Stop it.

[Solkern]

Classic FUDD, I am for (insert my gun here) and the rest need regulation cause it's not my favored weapon. Stop it.

Except I don’t own a hand gun anymore, just a hunting rifle. So come again? What’s your next excuse to label me something I’m not.

[Parkbandit]

Have they banned guns? A simple yes or no will do. While as a gun owner myself, I would definitely like to see more restrictions on who can own and buy them.

Putting restrictions, taxes, or more regulations, isn’t banning them at all, it’s a way to help control who can buy them. While you may not agree with their methods, it doesn’t mean they are banning them.

Big difference.

So, you just want to infringe on the rights of US citizens.

[Parkbandit]

Actually I’m not. I fully support hand guns. Regarding semi-automatics only, I think there should be more restrictions on who can own and buy them such as an AR-15

You fully support hand guns... as long as there are restrictions, taxes and regulations placed upon them to limit the ownership of them.

https://media.tenor.com/XUGptsC1TXQAAAAd/elmer-fudd-very-quiet.gif

[Parkbandit]

Except I don’t own a hand gun anymore, just a hunting rifle. So come again? What’s your next excuse to label me something I’m not.

"I'm not a Fudd, I own a hunting rifle and support more taxes, regulations and restrictions on guns to limit who can own them."

Yea, you're not a Fudd at all....................................

[Solkern]

"I'm not a Fudd, I own a hunting rifle and support more taxes, regulations and restrictions on guns to limit who can own them."

Yea, you're not a Fudd at all....................................


Oh this is good. Please let me know where I said I support more taxes? I said I support more restrictions on AR-15 ie. more thorough background checks, people who have any type of mental illness shouldn’t have any chance to get a gun. My tax reference is what the democrats want to do for guns, something I’m actually against. So yeah, call me a fudd for wanting to limit the possibility of semi-automatic guns being used to shoot up more schools.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Oh this is good. Please let me know where I said I support more taxes? I said I support more restrictions on AR-15 ie. more thorough background checks, people who have any type of mental illness shouldn’t have any chance to get a gun. My tax reference is what the democrats want to do for guns, something I’m actually against. So yeah, call me a fudd for wanting to limit the possibility of semi-automatic guns being used to shoot up more schools.

I'm actually in your camp that there are a few things more that can be done with respect to gun laws. The devil is in the details though.

Define "more thorough background checks" What else should the screen for besides the current background checks?
Define "any type of mental illness" (I took an anti-depressant for a few years, can I own a gun?)
and you do realize the vast majority of modern guns are semi-automatics right?

[Parkbandit]

Oh this is good. Please let me know where I said I support more taxes? I said I support more restrictions on AR-15 ie. more thorough background checks, people who have any type of mental illness shouldn’t have any chance to get a gun. My tax reference is what the democrats want to do for guns, something I’m actually against. So yeah, call me a fudd for wanting to limit the possibility of semi-automatic guns being used to shoot up more schools.

Less than 12 hours ago... you have a memory on par with a goldfish.


While as a gun owner myself, I would definitely like to see more restrictions on who can own and buy them.

Putting restrictions, taxes, or more regulations, isn’t banning them at all, it’s a way to help control who can buy them.

Doesn't sound like you are against restrictions, taxes or regulations.. given the totality of your posts in the past 12 hours.

You are a Fudd. Embrace the Fudd.

[Parkbandit]

I'm actually in your camp that there are a few things more that can be done with respect to gun laws. The devil is in the details though.

Define "more thorough background checks" What else should the screen for besides the current background checks?
Define "any type of mental illness" (I took an anti-depressant for a few years, can I own a gun?)
and you do realize the vast majority of modern guns are semi-automatics right?

And who is making the decisions? Is it based upon who is in the WH or who has the majority in Congress?

No thank you. While I agree, I don't believe that mentally unstable people should have access to any weapons, I question the so called "experts" who will determine who is and who is not mentally stable and how a US citizen will have to prove they are mentally fit for gun ownership.

[Seran]

Less than 12 hours ago... you have a memory on par with a goldfish.



Doesn't sound like you are against restrictions, taxes or regulations.. given the totality of your posts in the past 12 hours.

You are a Fudd. Embrace the Fudd.

It's interesting that you would conclude a logical argument in response to someone else's incorrect statement is signaling support of a cause of action. Perhaps this where the hallowed halls of Congress also fails, by disallowing honest debate in lieu of partisan gotcha tactics and recriminations halting discussion.

[Solkern]

Less than 12 hours ago... you have a memory on par with a goldfish.



Doesn't sound like you are against restrictions, taxes or regulations.. given the totality of your posts in the past 12 hours.

You are a Fudd. Embrace the Fudd.

My comment was referring to what the democrats are doing, and what they are doing is not banning guns. It doesn’t mean that i support what they are doing.

[Solkern]

I'm actually in your camp that there are a few things more that can be done with respect to gun laws. The devil is in the details though.

Define "more thorough background checks" What else should the screen for besides the current background checks?
Define "any type of mental illness" (I took an anti-depressant for a few years, can I own a gun?)
and you do realize the vast majority of modern guns are semi-automatics right?

I honestly have no clue, but for some reason guns are STILL getting into the hands of crazy people, so obviously we aren’t doing enough to stop this from happening. I support the 2nd amendment, but these school shootings(and other random shootings) are getting out of hand.

[Solkern]

How many Red Flag laws were passed by Republicans? How about changes to ATF rules to ban weapons, parts and encumber sales? How many stealth taxes, fees, regulations and so on? Just because there isn't an outright ban on a weapon or weapons doesn't mean they aren't working on ways to ban guns. Don't be a FUDD.

And my reply:


Have they banned guns? A simple yes or no will do. While as a gun owner myself, I would definitely like to see more restrictions on who can own and buy them.

Putting restrictions, taxes, or more regulations, isn’t banning them at all, it’s a way to help control who can buy them. While you may not agree with their methods, it doesn’t mean they are banning them.

Big difference.





Less than 12 hours ago... you have a memory on par with a goldfish.



Doesn't sound like you are against restrictions, taxes or regulations.. given the totality of your posts in the past 12 hours.

You are a Fudd. Embrace the Fudd.

Also next time, put my full post there, don’t just nitpick a part, and purposely put it out of context to try and use it to further your own views.

[Suppressed Poet]

I honestly have no clue, but for some reason guns are STILL getting into the hands of crazy people, so obviously we aren’t doing enough to stop this from happening. I support the 2nd amendment, but these school shootings(and other random shootings) are getting out of hand.

Making gun ownership more difficult for the good people (us the majority Americans that are not violent criminals) absolutely won’t solve these things from happening.

We need to remove the criminals from society. Have you seen House of Dragons S1 E1? You know that part where Daemon takes the gold-cloak city watch into the streets, starts rounding up all the criminals, and orders his men to start hacking off dicks & limbs? Kinda like that…. We have a mental health issue in this country that must be addressed in a humane way. Those that cannot live peacefully in our society though…take away the clout & fame they receive from these senseless crimes against humanity. Make these criminals fear the long arm of the law again. Stick these mass murdering fucks in a cell with Big Bubba to get violently pounded in the ass every day for life.

[Parkbandit]

Perhaps this where the hallowed halls of Congress also fails, by disallowing honest debate in lieu of partisan gotcha tactics and recriminations halting discussion.

You can thank the alt-lefties for this... your party was taken over by them a decade ago.. and now if you aren't towing the line, you are the problem.

[Parkbandit]

My comment was referring to what the democrats are doing, and what they are doing is not banning guns. It doesn’t mean that i support what they are doing.

Just so I can understand the stupidity you propose here...

You support restricting the number of people to have guns... and you said the Democrats do this by taxes and regulations...

BUT YOU NEVER SAID YOU SUPPORT TAXES ON GUNS!

Fan-fucking-tastic as usual.

[Parkbandit]

I honestly have no clue,

Finally, a well thought out post from you.


but for some reason guns are STILL getting into the hands of crazy people, so obviously we aren’t doing enough to stop this from happening. I support the 2nd amendment, but these school shootings(and other random shootings) are getting out of hand.

It's pretty simple: crazy people don't follow the law.

You make laws/regulations for law abiding citizens... but crazy people and criminals don't follow those laws.

[Seran]

Making gun ownership more difficult for the good people (us the majority Americans that are not violent criminals) absolutely won’t solve these things from happening.

We need to remove the criminals from society. Have you seen House of Dragons S1 E1? You know that part where Daemon takes the gold-cloak city watch into the streets, starts rounding up all the criminals, and orders his men to start hacking off dicks & limbs? Kinda like that…. We have a mental health issue in this country that must be addressed in a humane way. Those that cannot live peacefully in our society though…take away the clout & fame they receive from these senseless crimes against humanity. Make these criminals fear the long arm of the law again. Stick these mass murdering fucks in a cell with Big Bubba to get violently pounded in the ass every day for life.

The biggest opponents of capital punishment seem to bleeding hearts who think everyone need a first, second, their and hundredth chance. I think there's a middle ground between say, Saudis and the no jail time or capital punishment crowd on the Left.

I for one think life imprisonment should mean execution, and far more crimes should see the death penalty. Including repeat offenders similar to the Three Strikes Law in California, but limited to felonies. This would mean violent felonies used with a firearm/other deadly weapon would eventually mean execution. I would throw corporate criminals who steal millions in the repeat offenders list, with people like Madoff and the crypto embezzlers stealing hundreds of millions or billions deserving a swift death.

[time4fun]

Making gun ownership more difficult for the good people (us the majority Americans that are not violent criminals) absolutely won’t solve these things from happening.

Then explain the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Norway please




Then explain the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Norway please

[time4fun]

The biggest opponents of capital punishment seem to bleeding hearts who think everyone need a first, second, their and hundredth chance. I think there's a middle ground between say, Saudis and the no jail time or capital punishment crowd on the Left.



Ironically it's not the Christian nationalists who have an actual commandment not to kill but want to try to force everyone else to live by Biblical law.

[Tgo01]

Then explain the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Norway please

UK doesn't have a lot of violent crime? You high right now?

[Suppressed Poet]

Then explain the UK, Japan, Australia, New Zealand and Norway please

Those places have mass murders too and are not afforded the same individual freedoms as the United States. You are welcome to move there.

[Suppressed Poet]

The biggest opponents of capital punishment seem to bleeding hearts who think everyone need a first, second, their and hundredth chance. I think there's a middle ground between say, Saudis and the no jail time or capital punishment crowd on the Left.

I for one think life imprisonment should mean execution, and far more crimes should see the death penalty. Including repeat offenders similar to the Three Strikes Law in California, but limited to felonies. This would mean violent felonies used with a firearm/other deadly weapon would eventually mean execution. I would throw corporate criminals who steal millions in the repeat offenders list, with people like Madoff and the crypto embezzlers stealing hundreds of millions or billions deserving a swift death.

Hey now…I didn’t say anything about capital punishment. I said something about hacking off dicks & limbs + Big Bubba pounding locked away criminals in the ass every day. One political issue at a time.

So should Sam Bankman-Fried receive such swift capital punishment in your eyes? I mean yeah FTX was as big a Ponzi scheme as Enron, but then again he was the second largest donor to the Democrat party this year…

[Solkern]

Just so I can understand the stupidity you propose here...

You support restricting the number of people to have guns... and you said the Democrats do this by taxes and regulations...

BUT YOU NEVER SAID YOU SUPPORT TAXES ON GUNS!

Fan-fucking-tastic as usual.


You just assume I support everything the democrats do, which is something I don’t. Is it that hard of a concept to wrap your head around? We need to have more restrictions on who gets guns, because they keeping falling into the hands of people who shoot up our schools. From what the democrats have purposed, I don’t have support any of their measures, that I’ve seen.

[Solkern]

Finally, a well thought out post from you.



It's pretty simple: crazy people don't follow the law.

You make laws/regulations for law abiding citizens... but crazy people and criminals don't follow those laws.

Yet these crazy people are shooting up schools and killing our children, so what do you purpose we do? Invent the minority report? Obviously we need to stop these crazy people, or stop the guns getting into their hands.

[Solkern]

Making gun ownership more difficult for the good people (us the majority Americans that are not violent criminals) absolutely won’t solve these things from happening.

We need to remove the criminals from society. Have you seen House of Dragons S1 E1? You know that part where Daemon takes the gold-cloak city watch into the streets, starts rounding up all the criminals, and orders his men to start hacking off dicks & limbs? Kinda like that…. We have a mental health issue in this country that must be addressed in a humane way. Those that cannot live peacefully in our society though…take away the clout & fame they receive from these senseless crimes against humanity. Make these criminals fear the long arm of the law again. Stick these mass murdering fucks in a cell with Big Bubba to get violently pounded in the ass every day for life.

You know, for example we have TSA now, because of a few criminals, terrorist decided to hijack some planes. While TSA is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, it’s something us, law abiding citizens need to deal with to have peace of mind, to be safe and free. Why can’t we apply this to gun control? While I know making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, would that also be a small price to pay for peace of mind, to be safe and free, and to protect our children? Just like the TSA.

We 100% need to do something about these criminals. I support what George Carlin said about criminals and putting them in the four states. lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkybO1unDyo

Found it!

[Gelston]

You know, we have TSA now, because of a few criminals, terrorist decided to hijack some planes. While TSA is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, it’s something us, law abiding citizens need to deal with to have peace of mind, to be safe and free. Why can’t we apply this to gun control? While I know making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, would that also be a small price to pay for peace of mind, to be safe and free, and to protect our children.

We 100% need to do something about these criminals. I support what George Carlin said about criminals and putting them in the four states. lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkybO1unDyo

Found it!

You don't have the Constitutional right to fly. You have the right the bear arms.

[Suppressed Poet]

Yet these crazy people are shooting up schools and killing our children, so what do you purpose we do? Invent the minority report? Obviously we need to stop these crazy people, or stop the guns getting into their hands.

In most all of these cases of mass murder there is a criminal history and/or past occurrences of serious mental health issues that could predict the individual is willing & capable of committing these heinous acts. Let’s find a way to make the concept of red flag laws work without infringing upon every person’s right to due process. These people shouldn’t be able to buy a gun, a car, or hell even a kitchen knife. They need to be removed from society until/unless they can be rehabilitated. We have become soft to the point where we treat violent sick-minded people like oppressed victims of society.

[Solkern]

You don't have the Constitutional right to fly. You have the right the bear arms.

You’re correct, yet the constitution also doesn’t have a minimum age for purchasing a gun but we have one.

I get your point buddy, but we still need to do something, even if it could possible bring some annoyance or discomfort to good citizens.

[Solkern]

In most all of these cases of mass murder there is a criminal history and/or past occurrences of serious mental health issues that could predict the individual is willing & capable of committing these heinous acts. Let’s find a way to make the concept of red flag laws work without infringing upon every person’s right to due process. These people shouldn’t be able to buy a gun, a car, or hell even a kitchen knife. They need to be removed from society until/unless they can be rehabilitated. We have become soft to the point where we treat violent sick-minded people like oppressed victims of society.

100% agree with you on everything you said here. Something needs to be done.

[Gelston]

You’re correct, yet the constitution also doesn’t have a minimum age for purchasing a gun but we have one.

The US Constitution does, however, set the age of majority.

[Solkern]

The US Constitution does, however, set the age of majority.

I know exactly what you mean, I was just showing the argument any extreme leftist would give you to dispute that point you made. Next would be, the constitution doesn’t mention anything about mental illness restricting you!

[Suppressed Poet]

You know, for example we have TSA now, because of a few criminals, terrorist decided to hijack some planes. While TSA is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, it’s something us, law abiding citizens need to deal with to have peace of mind, to be safe and free. Why can’t we apply this to gun control? While I know making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, would that also be a small price to pay for peace of mind, to be safe and free, and to protect our children? Just like the TSA.

We 100% need to do something about these criminals. I support what George Carlin said about criminals and putting them in the four states. lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkybO1unDyo

Found it!

Fuck the TSA. They are a bunch of fat fucks that have meaningless jobs of making everyone’s life difficult. They haven’t prevented any terrorism. Haven’t you seen that Key and Peele skit? Why is your default go to solution to make government bigger and make things harder for everyone? You have to be a special somebody to argue for the TSA and Patriot Act as necessary evils we just have to put up with to fight the war on terror.

[Gelston]

I know exactly what you mean, I was just showing the argument any extreme leftist would give you to dispute that point you made. Next would be, the constitution doesn’t mention anything about mental illness restricting you!

No, extreme leftist makes the same retarded argument Seran makes about militias over and over again and says any SC ruling to the contrary is because it was made up of far right justices, completely ignoring the fact that the writers of the 2nd Amendment literally just took up the most sophisticated, for their time, weaponry to fight off what they considered a corrupt government.

[Solkern]

Fuck the TSA. They are a bunch of fat fucks that have meaningless jobs of making everyone’s life difficult. They haven’t prevented any terrorism. Haven’t you seen that Key and Peele skit? Why is your default go to solution to make government bigger and make things harder for everyone? You have to be a special somebody to argue for the TSA and Patriot Act as necessary evils we just have to put up with to fight the war on terror.

I agree with you, about fuck the TSA, I used them just as an example of a small discomfort and price that law abiding citizens pay, that was it.

[Suppressed Poet]

No, extreme leftist makes the same retarded argument Seran makes about militias over and over again and says any SC ruling to the contrary is because it was made up of far right justices, completely ignoring the fact that the writers of the 2nd Amendment literally just took up the most sophisticated, for their time, weaponry to fight off what they considered a corrupt government.

Facts.

Also Seran enjoys eating poop.

[Suppressed Poet]

I agree with you, about fuck the TSA, I used them just as an example of a small discomfort and price that law abiding citizens pay, that was it.

Yes we are not so different. Regular good natured Americans generally want the same thing. We are saddened & disgusted when we hear of yet another mass murder on the news. We want to stop it.

I understand what you are saying and I could put up with some discomfort if it actually did some good, but neither the TSA nor gun control (like an “assault weapons ban”) do much if anything to prevent airplane riding terrorism or mass shooters respectively. We’re not addressing the real issue in both cases. I believe we can find a way to take real measures with effective results without infringing upon all citizen’s civil liberties.

[Suppressed Poet]

Ironically it's not the Christian nationalists who have an actual commandment not to kill but want to try to force everyone else to live by Biblical law.

Said the devil-worshiping communist witch that advocates for the genocide of healthy fetuses.

[Tgo01]

Obviously we need to stop these crazy people, or stop the guns getting into their hands.

What more do you propose?

Also keep in mind the Democrats want to see dead children on the news because they shoot down every alternative other than "ban all guns for everyone!11!!!1!"

Armed security guards in schools? Democrats don't want none of that!
Armed teachers in schools? Democrats don't want none of that!
More armed citizens to stop active shooters? Democrats don't want none of that!

It's impossible to get anything done when we only have two political parties, and the only way one of those parties, the Democrats, knows how to govern is to do the exact opposite of what the other political party wants, regardless of how much sense the Republican party's stance is on a particular subject.

[Solkern]

What more do you propose?

Also keep in mind the Democrats want to see dead children on the news because they shoot down every alternative other than "ban all guns for everyone!11!!!1!"

Armed security guards in schools? Democrats don't want none of that!
Armed teachers in schools? Democrats don't want none of that!
More armed citizens to stop active shooters? Democrats don't want none of that!

It's impossible to get anything done when we only have two political parties, and the only way one of those parties, the Democrats, knows how to govern is to do the exact opposite of what the other political party wants, regardless of how much sense the Republican party's stance is on a particular subject.


Honestly, I’m still thinking about it. I think, if my child takes my gun and kills people, it’s my responsibility as well. If I bought a gun for my child and they use that gun to kill people, I’m also responsible for it as well. I think parents should also be charged, with a crime. If my child goes into my lockbox and takes my gun, and uses it. That’s my fault for it not being secured enough. I think parents share a lot of the fault.

[Tgo01]

Honestly, I’m still thinking about it. I think, if my child takes my gun and kills people, it’s my responsibility as well. If I bought a gun for my child and they use that gun to kill people, I’m also responsible for it as well. I think parents should also be charged, with a crime.

Throwing people in jail who didn't commit a crime probably isn't the way to solve this.

I mean, I guess I could agree if the kid is like 6 or something and doesn't know better, then the parents did a shit job of locking up their guns, and I'm pretty sure the parents can already be charged in such a scenario.

But if the kid is like 16 they not only already know better, but they are smart enough to find the gun/find the key to the gun safe/get the combination somehow.

[Seran]

You don't have the Constitutional right to fly. You have the right the bear arms.

Barring the obvious qualifier of being a well regulated militia, the rights contained in the Constitution provide a basic framework from which other laws are derived. You do not have an unlimited right to bear arms, Federal and State laws encompass the parameters and limitation to that right. Just as the rights to freedom of movement enshrined within the Constitution do not grant privilege to travel by any specific means. Which is why states freely curtail driving privileges and rights to air travel are also suspended with due process.

[Seran]

Throwing people in jail who didn't commit a crime probably isn't the way to solve this.

They're an accessory to the crime by negligently facilitating the crime by purchasing a firearm that the child couldn't otherwise normally purchase on their own. Duh.

[Solkern]

But if the kid is like 16 they not only already know better, but they are smart enough to find the gun/find the key to the gun safe/get the combination somehow.

I’ll disagree with this. At 16 kids don’t know shit. Kids are always trying to outsmart parents, it’s a parents job to keep that firearm away from a child. While I said the parents should be charged, actually persecuted should be based on situation that a judge or jury should be decide. If a parent did everything they could and the child still got it, that can happen. If a father was passed out drunk and left his gun key on the table, that’s a different story.

[Seran]

What more do you propose?

Also keep in mind the Democrats want to see dead children on the news because they shoot down every alternative other than "ban all guns for everyone!11!!!1!"

Armed security guards in schools? Democrats don't want none of that!
Armed teachers in schools? Democrats don't want none of that!
More armed citizens to stop active shooters? Democrats don't want none of that!

It's impossible to get anything done when we only have two political parties, and the only way one of those parties, the Democrats, knows how to govern is to do the exact opposite of what the other political party wants, regardless of how much sense the Republican party's stance is on a particular subject.

Blatantly untrue, given the police and private security common place in metropolitan schools in Democrat led states. Moreover, I wouldn't be surprised if you're referring to the First, Second and Third time Ted Cruz tried to pass his dumb fucking school security act. The first two of which has no support due to their Second Amendment language, the third would defund Covid-19 appropriations, throw money into private schools and wait for it, specifically had a carve out regarding abortions.

[Tgo01]

I’ll disagree with this. At 16 kids don’t know shit.

They sure as heck know how to look for a key or look over their parent's shoulder while they are putting in a combination, or figure out the combination is some sort of easy to remember number for their parents like a birthday or something.

They don't need to be geniuses to figure this stuff out.

[Solkern]

They sure as heck know how to look for a key or look over their parent's shoulder while they are putting in a combination, or figure out the combination is some sort of easy to remember number for their parents like a birthday or something.

They don't need to be geniuses to figure this stuff out.

Get a biometric gun safe. Problem solved.

[Tgo01]

Get a biometric gun safe. Problem solved.

Christ almighty. So now people should be put in jail for crimes another person committed because they didn't have a state of the art lock on their gun safe? Let's pull back just a tad here.

[Seran]

Christ almighty. So now people should be put in jail for crimes another person committed because they didn't have a state of the art lock on their gun safe? Let's pull back just a tad here.

You went from, "It can't be made safe," to "it's inconvenient to be made safe." Why don't you admit you just don't want gun safety.

[Solkern]

Christ almighty. So now people should be put in jail for crimes another person committed because they didn't have a state of the art lock on their gun safe? Let's pull back just a tad here.

I gave you a solution to the problem you mentioned…

[Solkern]

Yes we are not so different. Regular good natured Americans generally want the same thing. We are saddened & disgusted when we hear of yet another mass murder on the news. We want to stop it.

I understand what you are saying and I could put up with some discomfort if it actually did some good, but neither the TSA nor gun control (like an “assault weapons ban”) do much if anything to prevent airplane riding terrorism or mass shooters respectively. We’re not addressing the real issue in both cases. I believe we can find a way to take real measures with effective results without infringing upon all citizen’s civil liberties.

Here’s a small solution that would help. Every gun purchased, must come with a gun lockbox with a biometric lock, or you must show evidence that you already have one.
That would solve a lot of the problems of teenagers and kids stealing guns imo.

[~Rocktar~]

Here’s a small solution that would help. Every gun purchased, must come with a gun lockbox with a biometric lock, or you must show evidence that you already have one.
That would solve a lot of the problems of teenagers and kids stealing guns imo.

No it wouldn't

[SHAFT]

Making gun ownership more difficult for the good people (us the majority Americans that are not violent criminals) absolutely won’t solve these things from happening.

We need to remove the criminals from society. Have you seen House of Dragons S1 E1? You know that part where Daemon takes the gold-cloak city watch into the streets, starts rounding up all the criminals, and orders his men to start hacking off dicks & limbs? Kinda like that…. We have a mental health issue in this country that must be addressed in a humane way. Those that cannot live peacefully in our society though…take away the clout & fame they receive from these senseless crimes against humanity. Make these criminals fear the long arm of the law again. Stick these mass murdering fucks in a cell with Big Bubba to get violently pounded in the ass every day for life.

You’re a selfish fuck who doesn’t want to give up his guns. You don’t need them. You live in fear for whatever reason and you think your guns make you something that you’re not.

You’d rather see your fellow citizens murdered than give up your ar15. The absolute fucking worst.

[~Rocktar~]

You’re a selfish fuck who doesn’t want to give up his guns. You don’t need them. You live in fear for whatever reason and you think your guns make you something that you’re not.

You’d rather see your fellow citizens murdered than give up your ar15. The absolute fucking worst.

Who is more selfish, us gun owners legally exercising our rights or shitbags like you who want to take other's property and rights in order to assuage your cowardly fears in a proven futile attempt to gain false security?

[Suppressed Poet]

You’re a selfish fuck who doesn’t want to give up his guns. You don’t need them. You live in fear for whatever reason and you think your guns make you something that you’re not.

You’d rather see your fellow citizens murdered than give up your ar15. The absolute fucking worst.

Right…because me giving up my property is going to magically solve the problem of mass murders. That sounds like the logic of a beta cuck loser who blames the world for his own failures in life.

I’d tell you to suck it, but truth is my Anaconda don’t want none…
9980

[Suppressed Poet]

Here’s a small solution that would help. Every gun purchased, must come with a gun lockbox with a biometric lock, or you must show evidence that you already have one.
That would solve a lot of the problems of teenagers and kids stealing guns imo.

Have you bought a handgun in the last couple of decades? Included with every purchase is a bicycle lock for your gun. The Clinton admin forced Smith & Wesson to put internal locks on their revolvers (which absolutely nobody uses). It’s a good intentioned idea, but it has been tried before & i suspect it will make 0 impact...except of course increasing the cost of gun ownership that will disproportionately effect the poor. People are either responsible with their firearms or they are not, and what you are proposing will not change that.

[Solkern]

Have you bought a handgun in the last couple of decades? Included with every purchase is a bicycle lock for your gun. The Clinton admin forced Smith & Wesson to put internal locks on their revolvers (which absolutely nobody uses). It’s a good intentioned idea, but it has been tried before & i suspect it will make 0 impact...except of course increasing the cost of gun ownership that will disproportionately effect the poor. People are either responsible with their firearms or they are not, and what you are proposing will not change that.

Yes I have, I mean having a biometric case would stop the “stole the key, or found out the combination” issue.

I’d like to find a solution like this, instead of more regulations, or taxes etc etc.

[Tgo01]

You’re a selfish fuck who doesn’t want to give up his guns. You don’t need them. You live in fear for whatever reason and you think your guns make you something that you’re not.

You’d rather see your fellow citizens murdered than give up your ar15. The absolute fucking worst.

Fun fact: Over 99% of lawful gun owners don't commit murder. Why do you live in fear of lawful gun owners? You don't need to. There is a greater chance of people killing someone while driving than a lawful gun owner killing someone, when do we ban all cars to save lives?

You don't really need your car, you'd rather see your fellow citizens killed than give up your car. You're the absolute worst.

[Solkern]

Fun fact: Over 99% of lawful gun owners don't commit murder. Why do you live in fear of lawful gun owners? You don't need to. There is a greater chance of people killing someone while driving than a lawful gun owner killing someone, when do we ban all cars to save lives?

You don't really need your car, you'd rather see your fellow citizens killed than give up your car. You're the absolute worst.

One is a tool of violence, the other is a mode of transportation.

[Tgo01]

One is a tool of violence, the other is a mode of transportation.

We either care about Americans dying or we don't.

[Parkbandit]

Yet these crazy people are shooting up schools and killing our children, so what do you purpose we do? Invent the minority report? Obviously we need to stop these crazy people, or stop the guns getting into their hands.

More restrictions or regulations (OMG NOT TAXES THOUGH! THAT IS A LINE I WILL NOT CROSS!!!!) won't stop criminals from getting their hands on guns.. because criminals don't follow the laws.

[Parkbandit]

You know, for example we have TSA now, because of a few criminals, terrorist decided to hijack some planes. While TSA is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, it’s something us, law abiding citizens need to deal with to have peace of mind, to be safe and free. Why can’t we apply this to gun control? While I know making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, would that also be a small price to pay for peace of mind, to be safe and free, and to protect our children? Just like the TSA.

Please tell me specifically how your new "TSA" would work for gun control to stop criminals from getting a gun.

Lay out your plan.

I can't wait to hear the stupidity on your next post... Happy Thanksgiving Day to me.

[Parkbandit]

No, extreme leftist makes the same retarded argument Seran makes about militias over and over again and says any SC ruling to the contrary is because it was made up of far right justices, completely ignoring the fact that the writers of the 2nd Amendment literally just took up the most sophisticated, for their time, weaponry to fight off what they considered a corrupt government.

And right on schedule...


Barring the obvious qualifier of being a well regulated militia

[Parkbandit]

You’re a selfish fuck who doesn’t want to give up his guns. You don’t need them. You live in fear for whatever reason and you think your guns make you something that you’re not.

You’d rather see your fellow citizens murdered than give up your ar15. The absolute fucking worst.

How are people this fucking stupid allowed on the Internet?

[Solkern]

Please tell me specifically how your new "TSA" would work for gun control to stop criminals from getting a gun.

Lay out your plan.

I can't wait to hear the stupidity on your next post... Happy Thanksgiving Day to me.

Do you even know what the hell you are talking about? Obviously based on your reply, you don’t have a fucking clue.


Here let me help you. We have some discomfort and annoyance to ensure we don’t have another 9/11

I’m sure almost all law abiding citizens that have a gun, wouldn’t mind some form of annoyance and small discomfort to ensure that more schools don’t get shot up.

No one mentioned anything about creating “A new TSA” for gun control. I can’t believe your reading comprehension is that bad.

[Solkern]

Yes we are not so different. Regular good natured Americans generally want the same thing. We are saddened & disgusted when we hear of yet another mass murder on the news. We want to stop it.

I understand what you are saying and I could put up with some discomfort if it actually did some good, but neither the TSA nor gun control (like an “assault weapons ban”) do much if anything to prevent airplane riding terrorism or mass shooters respectively. We’re not addressing the real issue in both cases. I believe we can find a way to take real measures with effective results without infringing upon all citizen’s civil liberties.

^ Had no problem understanding it, PB. You really need to drink your coffee before you post.

[Parkbandit]

No one mentioned anything about creating “A new TSA” for gun control. I can’t believe your reading comprehension is that bad.

Boiled down your stupidity...


You know, for example we have TSA now, because of a few criminals, terrorist decided to hijack some planes. Why can’t we apply this to gun control?

You didn't?

Don't blame others for your inability to communicate effectively.

So.. you don't have anything specific to offer.. you just feel like "something" needs to be done...

[Parkbandit]

^ Had no problem understanding it, PB. You really need to drink your coffee before you post.

You really need to stop posting since no amount of coffee with make you less of a retard.

[Solkern]

You know, for example we have TSA now, because of a few criminals, terrorist decided to hijack some planes. While TSA is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, it’s something us, law abiding citizens need to deal with to have peace of mind, to be safe and free. Why can’t we apply this to gun control? While I know making it harder for law abiding citizens to get guns is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, would that also be a small price to pay for peace of mind, to be safe and free, and to protect our children?

We 100% need to do something about these criminals. I support what George Carlin said about criminals and putting them in the four states. lol

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=OkybO1unDyo

Found it!


Look at PB, trying so hard to be right. Nitpick some more. You’re the only one that just didn’t understand. Don’t blame others for your stupidity, when no one else had any issue. And thank for the rep. At least I know what jet lag is.

I love how you conveniently delete the part that I wrote that makes you look like the fucking idiot you are.

[Parkbandit]

Look at PB, trying so hard to be right. Nitpick some more. You’re the only one that just didn’t understand. Don’t blame others for your stupidity, when no one else had any issue. And thank for the rep. At least I know what jet lag is.

I love how you conveniently delete the part that I wrote that makes you look like the fucking idiot you are.

When it comes to you, I don't even have to try.

You literally said the TSA works against terrorists, why can't we apply it to gun control.

I asked you for specifics.. you said "I NEVER SAID TEH TSA WOULD WORK WITH GUN CONTROL!"

Stop being retarded.

And the part I deleted had nothing to do with how the TSA works with terrorists on the plane and how about we do that with gun control.

[Seran]

Have you bought a handgun in the last couple of decades? Included with every purchase is a bicycle lock for your gun. The Clinton admin forced Smith & Wesson to put internal locks on their revolvers (which absolutely nobody uses). It’s a good intentioned idea, but it has been tried before & i suspect it will make 0 impact...except of course increasing the cost of gun ownership that will disproportionately effect the poor. People are either responsible with their firearms or they are not, and what you are proposing will not change that.

Because it's inconvenient or more expensive isn't a reason to not enforce gun safety mechanism at the manufacturer level. If it prevents even one shooting or death, it's justified.

[~Rocktar~]

Because it's inconvenient or more expensive isn't a reason to not enforce gun safety mechanism at the manufacturer level. If it prevents even one shooting or death, it's justified.

Because it's ineffective, technically not unreliable and costs lives IS though.

But the cost is why you asswipes argue against armed guards. But hey, those work so you don't want that.

[Seran]

A trigger lock, gun safe or gun box is only as effective when people use them. Don't be an idiot.

[~Rocktar~]

A trigger lock, gun safe or gun box is only as effective when people use them. Don't be an idiot.

All delay use in emergency situations and cost lives. Biometric locks are terribly unreliable. Other locks are at best somewhat effective against small kids, anyone else will get them open if they want it open.

So, here is a nice little story from my life. A freshman asshole in my high school, was home with his cousin. He was 14 and the cousin was 15. They took an axe and hacked open the liquor cabinet got wasted to hell, then hacked open the home safe to steal the spare keys to the spare car. Then they took it for a spin. The fucknugget lost control at 120 MPH, wrecked and ended up in a coma for a week and in the hospital for a month and a half. He killed his cousin in the wreck.

If you think this shit won't happen, doesn't happen and hasn't happened to gun boxes, gun safes and so on? Add in battery powered angle grinders with a cut off blade and this becomes a lot easier. All these locking devices only cost lives in emergencies.

Red Flag laws have already cost lives trying to take someone's rights and property without due process and without the right to face your accuser.

So, stop lying about your motivations because you really don't care about live or kids or anything like that. You care about power and control and assuaging your selfish fears and personal irresponsibility..

[Solkern]

When it comes to you, I don't even have to try.

You literally said the TSA works against terrorists, why can't we apply it to gun control.

I asked you for specifics.. you said "I NEVER SAID TEH TSA WOULD WORK WITH GUN CONTROL!"

Stop being retarded.

And the part I deleted had nothing to do with how the TSA works with terrorists on the plane and how about we do that with gun control.


No you fucking idiot, I said the TSA causes us annoyance and discomfort that we put up with to be safe. Why can’t the same be applied to guns? Is there any discomfort or annoyance that we can do to stop schools from being shot up.

I know reading comprehension is difficult for you. I suggest going back to school.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

A trigger lock, gun safe or gun box is only as effective when people use them. Don't be an idiot.


All delay use in emergency situations and cost lives. Biometric locks are terribly unreliable. Other locks are at best somewhat effective against small kids, anyone else will get them open if they want it open.

I do have a biometric locked gun next to my nightstand. I stopped using it because the battery kept dying, and half the time I had to use the key that came with it to open it. That's the key that you use when the battery dies, effectively going around the biometric lock. I've not seen any models without a key, but I have not researched it extensively.

[Solkern]

I do have a biometric locked gun next to my nightstand. I stopped using it because the battery kept dying, and half the time I had to use the key that came with it to open it. That's the key that you use when the battery dies, effectively going around the biometric lock. I've not seen any models without a key, but I have not researched it extensively.

What’s the battery life on it? I would think it would be pretty long.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What’s the battery life on it? I would think it would be pretty long.

Probably 6-9 months I'd guess. It's one of those dumb coin batteries so it isn't something I have laying around. But does it matter? The safe has a key.

[Parkbandit]

No you fucking idiot, I said the TSA causes us annoyance and discomfort that we put up with to be safe. Why can’t the same be applied to guns? Is there any discomfort or annoyance that we can do to stop schools from being shot up.

I know reading comprehension is difficult for you. I suggest going back to school.

I'll leave the middle stupidity in too:


You know, for example we have TSA now, because of a few criminals, terrorist decided to hijack some planes. While TSA is an extreme annoyance and discomfort for us, it’s something us, law abiding citizens need to deal with to have peace of mind, to be safe and free. Why can’t we apply this to gun control?


You are still saying that what we need to do to control guns is to establish a TSA type of department... which makes absolutely zero sense.

Giving you the benefit of doubt, you are REALLY FUCKING TERRIBLE at making a comparison... not to mention an absolute lack of any logical thought process.

But if I did that, I would have to completely forget about all the retarded stuff you have posted in the past couple of decades.

[Parkbandit]

Probably 6-9 months I'd guess. It's one of those dumb coin batteries so it isn't something I have laying around. But does it matter? The safe has a key.

Biometric stuff is not very good currently. In an emergency, you may or may not get your gun out in time.

My gun safe is a 6 digit code I enter in and it's never failed to open the first time, every time.