Election Fun!

[ClydeR]

Senator Lisa Murkowski of Alaska, a centrist Republican, won a fourth full term on Wednesday, according to The Associated Press, overcoming a conservative backlash against her independent streak and her vote to convict former President Donald J. Trump for incitement of insurrection after the Capitol riot on Jan. 6, 2021.

Ms. Murkowski was declared the winner after securing more than 50 percent of the vote, a mandated threshold under the state's new ranked-choice system. She defeated Kelly Tshibaka, a conservative rival backed by Mr. Trump and the state Republican Party, and Pat Chesbro, a Democrat.

More... (https://www.nytimes.com/2022/11/23/us/politics/lisa-murkowski-alaska-senate-race.html)


Ms. Murkowski was the only Senate Republican up for re-election this year who voted to convict Mr. Trump, a move that prompted a fierce backlash from Republicans in her state. She has also frustrated her party by supporting Democratic nominees for the Supreme Court and for positions in President Biden's administration.

She has played a key role in negotiating several bipartisan compromises, including the $1 trillion infrastructure law, which she highlighted in several appearances across her state. Ms. Murkowski, one of just two Senate Republicans who support abortion rights, has expressed support for codifying abortion rights after the Supreme Court overturned Roe v. Wade and openly expressed her dismay over the decision.

Ms. Tshibaka had sought to capitalize on conservative wrath against Ms. Murkowski, who retained the backing of Senator Mitch McConnell of Kentucky, the minority leader, and his allies. But the use of ranked-choice voting, as well as an open primary system that sent the top four candidates regardless of party through to the general election, was championed by some of her allies in part to help centrist candidates like Ms. Murkowski.


Murkowski's survival is disappointing for Republicans. And McConnel's financial support of Murkowski over the Alaska GOP endorsed candidate has made many people, including Trump, very angry. Trump's endorsed candidate speaks a language that no other person on earth knows. It is a spirit language taught to her by Danali, which is apparently a sacred mountain in Alaska. You can hear her speak it and explain it in the below video..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY66ZJ0TFUI
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XY66ZJ0TFUI

[ClydeR]

Oops! I linked the wrong video. My bad.

Here's the correct video of the Alaska GOP US Senate candidate who narrowly lost to Lisa Murkowski..



https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyXaBVDDCPY
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cyXaBVDDCPY

[Parkbandit]

Murkowski got that 2nd vote bullshit passed in Alaska.. now the citizens of that state are forced to keep her until she is a bloated dead corpse... and if she was running in PA, they would elect her one more time.

[Suppressed Poet]

Because it's inconvenient or more expensive isn't a reason to not enforce gun safety mechanism at the manufacturer level. If it prevents even one shooting or death, it's justified.

The working person on a tight budget has a 2nd amendment right to firearm ownership, and in most cases are in need of a firearm to defend themselves & their family more than a middle class or wealthy person. It is absolutely not justified for you to force someone to be a defenseless victim to violent crime because gun control makes it unaffordable for them to own a life saving tool. Shame on you.

[Suppressed Poet]

I do have a biometric locked gun next to my nightstand. I stopped using it because the battery kept dying, and half the time I had to use the key that came with it to open it. That's the key that you use when the battery dies, effectively going around the biometric lock. I've not seen any models without a key, but I have not researched it extensively.

I got one from Cabellas (big box store branded) and second this.

Mine was a piece of junk that I threw away. It didn’t recognize my fingerprint most times, and 3X of a bad read it sounds an ear piercing annoying death alarm to alert the bad guys of your presence. I prefer the numeric code electronic locks.

[~Rocktar~]

No you fucking idiot, I said the TSA causes us annoyance and discomfort that we put up with to be safe. Why can’t the same be applied to guns? Is there any discomfort or annoyance that we can do to stop schools from being shot up.

I know reading comprehension is difficult for you. I suggest going back to school.

Because one is a Right and restricting it does not achieve the desire effect and the other is not.

[Seran]

The working person on a tight budget has a 2nd amendment right to firearm ownership, and in most cases are in need of a firearm to defend themselves & their family more than a middle class or wealthy person. It is absolutely not justified for you to force someone to be a defenseless victim to violent crime because gun control makes it unaffordable for them to own a life saving tool. Shame on you.

You must pay for insurance and registration to drive. It's a financial burden, but one that creates unbelievable efficiencies. Guns can be a tool too, and has been a boon to out society as well. Just like vehicles, there's a cost to ownership that one must bear to exercise the privilege.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Because it's inconvenient or more expensive isn't a reason to not enforce gun safety mechanism at the manufacturer level. If it prevents even one shooting or death, it's justified.

Should we outlaw cars, so that people like Darrel Brooks won't run over people intentionally like he did 67 people in a Christmas parade? If we prevent even on roadrage or murder by car, it's justified.

[Solkern]

The working person on a tight budget has a 2nd amendment right to firearm ownership, and in most cases are in need of a firearm to defend themselves & their family more than a middle class or wealthy person. It is absolutely not justified for you to force someone to be a defenseless victim to violent crime because gun control makes it unaffordable for them to own a life saving tool. Shame on you.

Just to play devil’s advocate. No where in the constitution does it state that a firearm must be affordable. The constitution doesn’t care if you can afford a gun or not. The right to bear arms, not the right to have an affordable gun that is within my budget. A homeless/low income person can say guns are too expensive! It’s my right to own one!

[~Rocktar~]

Just to play devil’s advocate. No where in the constitution does it state that a firearm must be affordable. The constitution doesn’t care if you can afford a gun or not. The right to bear arms, not the right to have an affordable gun that is within my budget. A homeless/low income person can say guns are too expensive! It’s my right to own one!

"...Shall not be infringed."

[Suppressed Poet]

You must pay for insurance and registration to drive. It's a financial burden, but one that creates unbelievable efficiencies. Guns can be a tool too, and has been a boon to out society as well. Just like vehicles, there's a cost to ownership that one must bear to exercise the privilege.

Driving is indeed a privilege. Gun ownership is a right of the people that shall not be infringed. Big difference.

[Suppressed Poet]

Just to play devil’s advocate. No where in the constitution does it state that a firearm must be affordable. The constitution doesn’t care if you can afford a gun or not. The right to bear arms, not the right to have an affordable gun that is within my budget. A homeless/low income person can say guns are too expensive! It’s my right to own one!

You are correct. It doesn’t say that firearms must be affordable. It does say “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” When the government forces you to buy a biometric lock as you put it, or pay some fee to be on a registration list, or insert whatever bullshit TSA regulations they want to impose on a lawful citizen owning a firearm…well what would you call that?

But let’s set that aside for a moment and explore the morality of pay-to-play governance… Clearly we have a problem today with dangerous politicians and our Republic is being attacked from within. Let us also mandate voting literacy tests, require civic responsibility classes be taken as part of voter registration, and impose a $500 poll tax to cast your vote in each election. Would you be cool with that?

[Solkern]

"...Shall not be infringed."

With that in mind, shouldn’t all guns just be free? Since the price is infringing on my right to own a gun.

[Solkern]

You are correct. It doesn’t say that firearms must be affordable. It does say “the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed.” When the government forces you to buy a biometric lock as you put it, or pay some fee to be on a registration list, or insert whatever bullshit TSA regulations they want to impose on a lawful citizen owning a firearm…well what would you call that?

But let’s set that aside for a moment and explore the morality of pay-to-play governance… Clearly we have a problem today with dangerous politicians and our Republic is being attacked from within. Let us also mandate voting literacy tests, require civic responsibility classes be taken as part of voter registration, and impose a $500 poll tax to cast your vote in each election. Would you be cool with that?

Oh I agree with you, don’t think I don’t. This goes back to my reference about what can we do as a people, to stop these senseless and seemingly non stop school shootings. We elect people to solve these issue. Obviously more regulations, taxes or whatever else that is currently being imposed or brought up isn’t working. Banning guns outright isn’t the answer. As a gun owner, that gun is my responsibility and my responsibility to keep it away from my child. If I fail at that, shouldn’t I be held accountable as well?

[Neveragain]

This goes back to my reference about what can we do as a people, to stop these senseless and seemingly non stop school shootings. We elect people to solve these issue.

We're not asking the right questions.

The first thing we should be trying to answer is "What causes the desensitization for a human to act out on the thought of mass murder?"

[Solkern]

We're not asking the right questions.

The first thing we should be trying to answer is "What causes the desensitization for a human to act out on the thought of mass murder?"

Could the possibility that the ease of getting weapons and the ability to do it, be some of those reasons?

[Neveragain]

Could the possibility that the ease of getting weapons and the ability to do it, be some of those reasons?

No.

For the same reason people wouldn't decide to suddenly do heroine if it was legal.

[Solkern]

No.

For the same reason people wouldn't decide to suddenly do heroine if it was legal.

I know quite a few people who started doing weed, just because it became legal…

[Orthin]

I know quite a few people who started doing weed, just because it became legal…

MJ and heroine are different spectrums. I get what your getting at but these two drugs are not interchangeable in their impact to the user

[Solkern]

MJ and heroine are different spectrums. I get what your getting at but these two drugs are not interchangeable in their impact to the user

Yup I'm aware! But I’m also sure, if heroine became legal, people would start doing it.

99.99% of all gun owners aren’t crazy and will go and shoot a school. Just like probably 99.99% of people wouldn’t just start doing heroine if it became legal. It just takes that .01%

[Alashir]

Heroine. Interesting.

[Methais]

Actually I’m not. I fully support hand guns. Regarding semi-automatics only, I think there should be more restrictions on who can own and buy them such as an AR-15

Most handguns are semi-automatic. Most guns in general are semi-automatic.

[Methais]

Hey now…I didn’t say anything about capital punishment. I said something about hacking off dicks & limbs + Big Bubba pounding locked away criminals in the ass every day. One political issue at a time.

So should Sam Bankman-Fried receive such swift capital punishment in your eyes? I mean yeah FTX was as big a Ponzi scheme as Enron, but then again he was the second largest donor to the Democrat party this year…

I haven't read the rest of this thread yet, but I can almost guarantee that Seran will buy into the "SBF just wanted to save the world and is just a victim of circumstance" MSM narrative. And whatever dumb shit about that ugly nerd girl being an "alt-right darling" according to Forbes. :lol:

[Parkbandit]

Just to play devil’s advocate. No where in the constitution does it state that a firearm must be affordable. The constitution doesn’t care if you can afford a gun or not. The right to bear arms, not the right to have an affordable gun that is within my budget. A homeless/low income person can say guns are too expensive! It’s my right to own one!

Let's say the government imposes a $10,000 gun ownership tax on all firearms as a method to restrict the sale of firearms to people.

By making the price of all firearms high to restrict the ownership, that is infringing upon the rights that are specifically spelled out by the 2nd Amendment.

[Parkbandit]

Could the possibility that the ease of getting weapons and the ability to do it, be some of those reasons?

What?

I received a number of free guns from my father in law.. I didn't suddenly feel like I should go out and shoot someone in the face.

Also, if the ATF is reading this, those guns were also included in the boating accident of 1997 when I lost all my weapons underwater.

[Parkbandit]

Most handguns are semi-automatic. Most guns in general are semi-automatic.

They would never, ever want to ban handguns in the US....


"The idea we still allow semi-automatic weapons to be purchased is sick," said President Biden. "It has no socially redeeming value… Not a single solitary rationale for it except profit for the gun manufacturers."

[Methais]

You just assume I support everything the democrats do, which is something I don’t. Is it that hard of a concept to wrap your head around? We need to have more restrictions on who gets guns, because they keeping falling into the hands of people who shoot up our schools. From what the democrats have purposed, I don’t have support any of their measures, that I’ve seen.

Colorado shooting suspect purchased gun despite 2021 bomb threat arrest (https://abcnews.go.com/US/colorado-shooting-suspect-purchased-gun-despite-2021-bomb/story?id=93704694)

Sounds like the laws in place aren't the problem, it's the incompetent people responsible for enforcing them. And that's giving the benefit of the doubt and assuming that it's actual incompetence.

How many times have you heard the FBI or some police dept or whatever say, "He was on our radar" or something to that extent after that person went on a murder spree?

Does that sound like a gun issue to you? Or an issue with enforcing already existing laws?

https://i.imgur.com/1sd1MsC.jpg

[Methais]

Fuck the TSA. They are a bunch of fat fucks that have meaningless jobs of making everyone’s life difficult. They haven’t prevented any terrorism. Haven’t you seen that Key and Peele skit? Why is your default go to solution to make government bigger and make things harder for everyone? You have to be a special somebody to argue for the TSA and Patriot Act as necessary evils we just have to put up with to fight the war on terror.

They really are some fat fucks, for some reason.

[drumpel]

Most handguns are semi-automatic. Most guns in general are semi-automatic.

We should just go back to flintlock guns. One shot, then you need to load it again and depending on the gun and your skill at doing so while you're body is flooding you with adrenaline, it could be a good 20-30 seconds before you're ready for a second shot (even longer for some guns).

[Methais]

You’re a selfish fuck who doesn’t want to give up his guns. You don’t need them. You live in fear for whatever reason and you think your guns make you something that you’re not.

You’d rather see your fellow citizens murdered than give up your ar15. The absolute fucking worst.

shaft: You live in fear!

Also shaft: I LIVE IN FEAR OF GUNS!!!!


Stay unhinged. It's fucking hilarious.

[Methais]

One is a right granted by the Constitution, the other is a mode of transportation that's considered a privilege and not a right.

Fixed.

[Methais]

Because it's inconvenient or more expensive isn't a reason to not enforce gun safety mechanism at the manufacturer level. If it prevents even one shooting or death, it's justified.

Ok there Backlash.

[Parkbandit]

Ok there Backlash.

LOL... I thought the exact same thing.

[Methais]

You must pay for insurance and registration to drive. It's a financial burden, but one that creates unbelievable efficiencies. Guns can be a tool too, and has been a boon to out society as well. Just like vehicles, there's a cost to ownership that one must bear to exercise the privilege.

Add "right vs. privilege" to the list of 9487238094723094732904 things that Seran doesn't understand at all.


Hey Seran....armed guards in schools. If it saves just one life, then it's justified. Right?

[Seran]

Driving is indeed a privilege. Gun ownership is a right of the people that shall not be infringed. Big difference.

A well regulated right. Regardless, it is still privilege subject to denial be there good cause established through judicial means. I'm always surprised how many bad actors making pro-2nd Amendment arguments completely overlook the fact both sides of the aisle are behind safety, registration, and secure storage requirements. The fringe comes out everytime there's a shooting to pretend the ease of purchasing semi-automatic rifles has nothing to do with the fact they're the mass murder weapon of choice.

[~Rocktar~]

Could the possibility that the ease of getting weapons and the ability to do it, be some of those reasons?

No, weapons were more readily available and in ubiquitous use through US history and yet the number of mass murders was not higher.

[~Rocktar~]

Yup I'm aware! But I’m also sure, if heroine became legal, people would start doing it.

99.99% of all gun owners aren’t crazy and will go and shoot a school. Just like probably 99.99% of people wouldn’t just start doing heroine if it became legal. It just takes that .01%

So why the fuck do you think it's OK to punish, restrict, take away the right from and victimize the 99.99%? And yet, you and others don't want real solutions that have been proven to work over and over because it doesn't fit your narrative. Israel had a mass school shooting by a real terrorist. They live in a war zone. You know what they did? They put armed soldiers in every school with real armor, automatic weapons and the will to use them. They armored doors, have real security procedures and people go to jail for breaking them. They don't have geriatric mall cops. You know how many school shootings they have had since the 70s when they implemented these policies?

0

That's right, a country in the middle of a warzone, with literal terrorist organizations that shoot and kill people regularly, has ZERO school shootings.

Armed guards, trained staff who want to volunteer to carry, discrete armor in schools and real first aid kits and training SAVE lives but NOOOOOOO, Leftists and other weak willed sycophants can't have that because it WORKS and has been proven, beyond the shadow of a doubt to work and thus, doesn't advance their agenda of disarming and enslaving the people. They don't care one whit about kids lives or anyone else's for that matter.

[~Rocktar~]

We should just go back to flintlock guns. One shot, then you need to load it again and depending on the gun and your skill at doing so while you're body is flooding you with adrenaline, it could be a good 20-30 seconds before you're ready for a second shot (even longer for some guns).

If we could magically make every firearm on the planet revert, then fine. We can't so your argument is as retarded as it sounds. Should we also revert all mass communication to manual single page, movable type printing presses and town criers cause that is what the First Amendment was written for?

GTFO

[Methais]

A well regulated right. Regardless, it is still privilege subject to denial be there good cause established through judicial means. I'm always surprised how many bad actors making pro-2nd Amendment arguments completely overlook the fact both sides of the aisle are behind safety, registration, and secure storage requirements. The fringe comes out everytime there's a shooting to pretend the ease of purchasing semi-automatic rifles has nothing to do with the fact they're the mass murder weapon of choice.

You are literally the fringe.

But feel free to point out where the word "privilege" is written in 2A.

[Methais]

If we could magically make every firearm on the planet revert, then fine. We can't so your argument is as retarded as it sounds. Should we also revert all mass communication to manual single page, movable type printing presses and town criers cause that is what the First Amendment was written for?

GTFO

Not sure how this went over your head, but drumpel is obviously joking.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/xxhKYiOOIs9mGZz1Hy/giphy.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Fixed.

Actually, no, the Constitution does not grant rights. A person's rights are granted by Divine providence as enumerated in the document {or by the act of existence depending on your religious views and supported by centuries of case law regarding atheists and agnostics and so on). The Constitution enumerates those rights and restricts the government from infringing on those.

[Methais]

Actually, no, the Constitution does not grant rights. A person's rights are granted by Divine providence as enumerated in the document {or by the act of existence depending on your religious views and supported by centuries of case law regarding atheists and agnostics and so on). The Constitution enumerates those rights and restricts the government from infringing on those.

Semantics.

[~Rocktar~]

Semantics.

No, it is far far more than semantics.

[Methais]

No, it is far far more than semantics.

The end result is exactly the same regardless of the wording used.

But take away 2A and then let me know when God comes down to start handing out guns after the government says we can't have any.

[Suppressed Poet]

A well regulated right. Regardless, it is still privilege subject to denial be there good cause established through judicial means. I'm always surprised how many bad actors making pro-2nd Amendment arguments completely overlook the fact both sides of the aisle are behind safety, registration, and secure storage requirements. The fringe comes out everytime there's a shooting to pretend the ease of purchasing semi-automatic rifles has nothing to do with the fact they're the mass murder weapon of choice.

Your first amendment privilege to post retarded nonsense on the PC should be more well regulated.

[Parkbandit]

Your first amendment privilege to post retarded nonsense on the PC should be more well regulated.

If it just saved ONE person from having to read it, it would be worth it.

[drumpel]

Not sure how this went over your head, but drumpel is obviously joking.

https://media1.giphy.com/media/xxhKYiOOIs9mGZz1Hy/giphy.gif

You can't fix stupid. Look at Seran. Asking Rocktard to calm down about a joke he doesn't get.....as I said, you can't fix stupid.

[kutter]

A well regulated right. Regardless, it is still privilege subject to denial be there good cause established through judicial means. I'm always surprised how many bad actors making pro-2nd Amendment arguments completely overlook the fact both sides of the aisle are behind safety, registration, and secure storage requirements. The fringe comes out everytime there's a shooting to pretend the ease of purchasing semi-automatic rifles has nothing to do with the fact they're the mass murder weapon of choice.

I wonder if you have ever actually purchases a firearm if you think the process is easy. And it has only gotten more and more difficult over the years. Getting a drivers license is far easier than purchasing a firearm, there is no national background check for getting a drivers license or waiting period as exist in a lot of localities. When you say things like that it destroys any credibility you might have ever had. But something tells me that you do not care or perhaps never had any.

[Bhaalizmo]

I wonder if you have ever actually purchases a firearm if you think the process is easy. And it has only gotten more and more difficult over the years. Getting a drivers license is far easier than purchasing a firearm, there is no national background check for getting a drivers license or waiting period as exist in a lot of localities. When you say things like that it destroys any credibility you might have ever had. But something tells me that you do not care or perhaps never had any.

I have purchases firearm.

It is pretty easy, but yes, harder than the drivers license process.

[Gelston]

With that in mind, shouldn’t all guns just be free? Since the price is infringing on my right to own a gun.

No, because it isn’t the Government selling guns.

[Seran]

I wonder if you have ever actually purchases a firearm if you think the process is easy. And it has only gotten more and more difficult over the years. Getting a drivers license is far easier than purchasing a firearm, there is no national background check for getting a drivers license or waiting period as exist in a lot of localities. When you say things like that it destroys any credibility you might have ever had. But something tells me that you do not care or perhaps never had any.

When you can go right into Cabela's and make the purchase? Not particularly hard to buy a .357, nor purchase the gun case required to walk out the door with it in my state. Your belief that someone who is pro-gun control is not a gun owner is short-sighted and naïve. Cost and training are not a barrier to ownership, nor violation of anyone's rights. It's qualifier for safe and effective ownership.

[Parkbandit]

When you can go right into Cabela's and make the purchase? Not particularly hard to buy a .357, nor purchase the gun case required to walk out the door with it in my state. Your belief that someone who is pro-gun control is not a gun owner is short-sighted and naïve. Cost and training are not a barrier to ownership, nor violation of anyone's rights. It's qualifier for safe and effective ownership.

Are you saying that you are a gun owner?

[Suppressed Poet]

Are you saying that you are a gun owner?

Yeah he previously said that he is & bragged about bagging more squirrels than anyone on the PC or some shit like that, but nobody believed him.

Seran wouldn’t even be able to fill out a form 4473 properly let alone pass a federal background check.

[Seran]

Are you saying that you are a gun owner?

Yes, though I don't particularly care about your incredulity.

[Bhaalizmo]

Yeah he previously said that he is & bragged about bagging more squirrels than anyone on the PC or some shit like that, but nobody believed him.

Seran wouldn’t even be able to fill out a form 4473 properly let alone pass a federal background check.

I dunno, I might have a dog in that fight. I'd put my squirrel count at 30.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah he previously said that he is & bragged about bagging more squirrels than anyone on the PC or some shit like that, but nobody believed him.

OOOOOohhhhh.... sorry, I thought he said "banging squirrels" and I 100% believed him.

[Parkbandit]

Yes, though I don't particularly care about your incredulity.

Anything on the Internet is possible.

I hope it turns out like the time when Backlash claimed he was a gun owner, then went deeper into liberalism and then claimed to be anti-gun.. and he never spoke about his gun(s) again...

[Parkbandit]

I dunno, I might have a dog in that fight. I'd put my squirrel count at 30.

What a mighty hunter you are!

Sorry, this is another one where I just don't believe it. If we're supposed to have SOME gun control in this country.. how the fuck would we let two legit retards own guns?

[kutter]

When you can go right into Cabela's and make the purchase? Not particularly hard to buy a .357, nor purchase the gun case required to walk out the door with it in my state. Your belief that someone who is pro-gun control is not a gun owner is short-sighted and naïve. Cost and training are not a barrier to ownership, nor violation of anyone's rights. It's qualifier for safe and effective ownership.

Except you cannot go right into Cabela's and make a purchase. Prior to selling a gun a FFL must have you fill out an ATF Form 4473 and once that is done perform a national background check on you. Even after both of those conditions are met there are many localities that require a 3 to 5 day waiting period to purchase a firearm. I'm sorry but if you are so flippant about 'how easy' it is to purchase a firearm it strongly suggest that you have never actually done it, or are you just being disingenuous to try and prove a point? Honestly I am about 80-20 on those two.

And all those same requirements exist if one just purchase a receiver, not even a complete firearm, just something that you can eventually build a firearm out of. Nope, gotta go with you have never purchased one.

[Tgo01]

A woman in Chicago just defended herself with a concealed carry and shot a violent man in the head after 4 armed men tried to carjack her.

Seran, Bhaalizmo, Shaft, and the rest of the far left hate brigade would rather that woman have died than her having the ability to defend herself.

[Seran]

Except you cannot go right into Cabela's and make a purchase. Prior to selling a gun a FFL must have you fill out an ATF Form 4473 and once that is done perform a national background check on you. Even after both of those conditions are met there are many localities that require a 3 to 5 day waiting period to purchase a firearm. I'm sorry but if you are so flippant about 'how easy' it is to purchase a firearm it strongly suggest that you have never actually done it, or are you just being disingenuous to try and prove a point? Honestly I am about 80-20 on those two.

And all those same requirements exist if one just purchase a receiver, not even a complete firearm, just something that you can eventually build a firearm out of. Nope, gotta go with you have never purchased one.

Except no, if you have a valid CCW then you don't have to do a Brady check and just fill out the 4473 that's submitted by the store. You're pretty confused how state and federal laws apply, but you should do a little more research first.

[kutter]

Except no, if you have a valid CCW then you don't have to do a Brady check and just fill out the 4473 that's submitted by the store. You're pretty confused how state and federal laws apply, but you should do a little more research first.

What a completely fucking asinine statement. If one went through the process of obtaining a concealed carry permit then that person expended a lot of effort to do so, way more than just purchasing a firearm, with the exception of a few states like Alabama where the process is not as convoluted but guess what, IT STILL REQUIRES A FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

Every time someone exercise their RIGHT to own a firearm, the federal government is made aware, not necessarily of what your purchased, except in states like Kalifornia, but they are made aware that you purchased a firearm. And now the ATF is trying to change the law, oh I mean amend the law through a non-legislative process that would require all FFL's to retain their 4473's in perpetuity and if the FFL goes out of business they want the FFL to send all that information to the ATF.

If you think registration, training, and high prices are ok for the 2nd amendment then one can only infer that you would feel the same for the first. By your logic it would be ok to require someone to obtain a background check and permit anytime they wished to practice their right to speech or religion, oh and lets not forget the tax you would make them pay. Or are you going to say that words never hurt anyone? I bet there are six million Jews that would argue that point, oh wait, they can't because they are dead because Hitler disarmed them.

Time to put another idiotic troll on block.

[Parkbandit]

Except no, if you have a valid CCW then you don't have to do a Brady check and just fill out the 4473 that's submitted by the store. You're pretty confused how state and federal laws apply, but you should do a little more research first.

What did you do to get your CCW?

Be very specific.

[Parkbandit]

What a completely fucking asinine statement. If one went through the process of obtaining a concealed carry permit then that person expended a lot of effort to do so, way more than just purchasing a firearm, with the exception of a few states like Alabama where the process is not as convoluted but guess what, IT STILL REQUIRES A FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

Every time someone exercise their RIGHT to own a firearm, the federal government is made aware, not necessarily of what your purchased, except in states like Kalifornia, but they are made aware that you purchased a firearm. And now the ATF is trying to change the law, oh I mean amend the law through a non-legislative process that would require all FFL's to retain their 4473's in perpetuity and if the FFL goes out of business they want the FFL to send all that information to the ATF.

If you think registration, training, and high prices are ok for the 2nd amendment then one can only infer that you would feel the same for the first. By your logic it would be ok to require someone to obtain a background check and permit anytime they wished to practice their right to speech or religion, oh and lets not forget the tax you would make them pay. Or are you going to say that words never hurt anyone? I bet there are six million Jews that would argue that point, oh wait, they can't because they are dead because Hitler disarmed them.

Time to put another idiotic troll on block.

Never block the current Retard Champion. You will miss out on the only entertainment value this forum offers.

[Seran]

What a completely fucking asinine statement. If one went through the process of obtaining a concealed carry permit then that person expended a lot of effort to do so, way more than just purchasing a firearm, with the exception of a few states like Alabama where the process is not as convoluted but guess what, IT STILL REQUIRES A FEDERAL BACKGROUND CHECK.

Every time someone exercise their RIGHT to own a firearm, the federal government is made aware, not necessarily of what your purchased, except in states like Kalifornia, but they are made aware that you purchased a firearm. And now the ATF is trying to change the law, oh I mean amend the law through a non-legislative process that would require all FFL's to retain their 4473's in perpetuity and if the FFL goes out of business they want the FFL to send all that information to the ATF.

If you think registration, training, and high prices are ok for the 2nd amendment then one can only infer that you would feel the same for the first. By your logic it would be ok to require someone to obtain a background check and permit anytime they wished to practice their right to speech or religion, oh and lets not forget the tax you would make them pay. Or are you going to say that words never hurt anyone? I bet there are six million Jews that would argue that point, oh wait, they can't because they are dead because Hitler disarmed them.

Time to put another idiotic troll on block.

Evidently you don't understand what a Brady check is or that is exactly what is waived by having a valid CCW waives due to the extended DOJ clearances required. I do approve of your bitch fest though, completely warranted when one is proven wrong, freak out and hope your conviction overcomes just how little you know about the subject.

For the record, the 4473 isn't a waiting period. That's decided by the individual state, and my state and it's retailers do not require a Brady check when you have a valid CCW.

Sooo. Training, safety awareness and permitting aren't a barrier to reasonable gun ownership, nor is a federal requirement that AR-15s be outlawed by new legislation given all of the other firearms which one can use for home protection.

Stop being an idiot.

[Parkbandit]

Evidently you don't understand what a Brady check is or that is exactly what is waived by having a valid CCW waives due to the extended DOJ clearances required. I do approve of your bitch fest though, completely warranted when one is proven wrong, freak out and hope your conviction overcomes just how little you know about the subject.

For the record, the 4473 isn't a waiting period. That's decided by the individual state, and my state and it's retailers do not require a Brady check when you have a valid CCW.

Sooo. Training, safety awareness and permitting aren't a barrier to reasonable gun ownership, nor is a federal requirement that AR-15s be outlawed by new legislation given all of the other firearms which one can use for home protection.

Stop being an idiot.

So, you never got a CCP.

I'm completely shocked.

Really.

"I'm actually retarded but I try to be Internet smert!" -Seran the Retard Champion

[Bhaalizmo]

A woman in Chicago just defended herself with a concealed carry and shot a violent man in the head after 4 armed men tried to carjack her.

Seran, Bhaalizmo, Shaft, and the rest of the far left hate brigade would rather that woman have died than her having the ability to defend herself.

Stop making shit up and slapping my name on it you fucking dolt.

[Parkbandit]

Stop making shit up and slapping my name on it you fucking dolt.

We group our retards up.

Don't want to be in the group?

Stop being retarded.

[Tgo01]

Bhaalizmo agrees with Seran and Shaft all day long on stupid shit, now acts surprised when people rightly assume he thinks just like them.

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

[Bhaalizmo]

We group our retards up.

Don't want to be in the group?

Stop being retarded.

Go fuck yourself.


Bhaalizmo agrees with Seran and Shaft all day long on stupid shit, now acts surprised when people rightly assume he thinks just like them.

If you lie down with dogs, you get up with fleas.

Go fuck yourself. Stop making shit up and slapping my name on it.

[Parkbandit]

Go fuck yourself.

Go fuck yourself. Stop making shit up and slapping my name on it.

Stay triggered, retard.

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[Methais]

Cost and training are not a barrier to ownership...

Add basic math to the list of 987047230472390 things that Seran has zero understanding of.

[Methais]

Yeah he previously said that he is & bragged about bagging more squirrels than anyone on the PC or some shit like that, but nobody believed him.

Seran wouldn’t even be able to fill out a form 4473 properly let alone pass a federal background check.

Pretty sure the gun he claimed to use, if I remember right, would cause squirrels to explode. But I'm too lazy to go find the thread.


Except you cannot go right into Cabela's and make a purchase. Prior to selling a gun a FFL must have you fill out an ATF Form 4473 and once that is done perform a national background check on you. Even after both of those conditions are met there are many localities that require a 3 to 5 day waiting period to purchase a firearm. I'm sorry but if you are so flippant about 'how easy' it is to purchase a firearm it strongly suggest that you have never actually done it, or are you just being disingenuous to try and prove a point? Honestly I am about 80-20 on those two.

And all those same requirements exist if one just purchase a receiver, not even a complete firearm, just something that you can eventually build a firearm out of. Nope, gotta go with you have never purchased one.

Seran just mindlessly repeats what his TV and social media tell him to without question, and then wonders why everyone makes fun of how stupid and full of shit he is.

[Methais]

Except no, if you have a valid CCW then you don't have to do a Brady check and just fill out the 4473 that's submitted by the store. You're pretty confused how state and federal laws apply, but you should do a little more research first.

This is the retard equivalent of complaining that you don't have to take a driver's license test every time you get a new car. Except much worse and much more stupid.

Fucking dumbass lol.

[Seran]

This is the retard equivalent of complaining that you don't have to take a driver's license test every time you get a new car. Except much worse and much more stupid.

Fucking dumbass lol.

Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. I posted the exact opposite of what your said, moron.

[Methais]

Your idiocy never ceases to amaze me. I posted the exact opposite of what your said, moron.

My post is in reference to you crying about it working that way, dumb fuck. Learn how to read.

Let me try again, but with a little bit of red crayon added so you can hopefully keep up.

Are you ready?

Ok here we go...

EDIT: Added previous posts for context


When you can go right into Cabela's and make the purchase? Not particularly hard to buy a .357, nor purchase the gun case required to walk out the door with it in my state. Your belief that someone who is pro-gun control is not a gun owner is short-sighted and naïve. Cost and training are not a barrier to ownership, nor violation of anyone's rights. It's qualifier for safe and effective ownership.




Except you cannot go right into Cabela's and make a purchase. Prior to selling a gun a FFL must have you fill out an ATF Form 4473 and once that is done perform a national background check on you. Even after both of those conditions are met there are many localities that require a 3 to 5 day waiting period to purchase a firearm. I'm sorry but if you are so flippant about 'how easy' it is to purchase a firearm it strongly suggest that you have never actually done it, or are you just being disingenuous to try and prove a point? Honestly I am about 80-20 on those two.

And all those same requirements exist if one just purchase a receiver, not even a complete firearm, just something that you can eventually build a firearm out of. Nope, gotta go with you have never purchased one.




Except no, if you have a valid CCW then you don't have to do a Brady check and just fill out the 4473 that's submitted by the store. You're pretty confused how state and federal laws apply, but you should do a little more research first.



You crying about this is the retard equivalent of complaining that you don't have to take a driver's license test every time you get a new car. Except much worse and much more stupid.


Fucking idiot. :rofl:

[Seran]

My post is in reference to you crying about it working that way, dumb fuck. Learn how to read.

Let me try again, but with a little bit of red crayon added so you can hopefully keep up.

Are you ready?

Ok here we go...

EDIT: Added previous posts for context













You crying about this is the retard equivalent of complaining that you don't have to take a driver's license test every time you get a new car. Except much worse and much more stupid.


Fucking idiot. :rofl:

I understand your trying to troll, but doing it as unintelligibly as you do loses all effect. Kutter thinks everyone has to get a background check at Cabelas when purchasing a gun, I pointed out that they do not when you possess a valid CCW. Somehow there is crying? I don't know, maybe you are due to the complexities of the English language, but that's a personal problem you should talk to your childhood teachers about.

[Parkbandit]

I understand your trying to troll, but doing it as unintelligibly as you do loses all effect. Kutter thinks everyone has to get a background check at Cabelas when purchasing a gun, I pointed out that they do not when you possess a valid CCW. Somehow there is crying? I don't know, maybe you are due to the complexities of the English language, but that's a personal problem you should talk to your childhood teachers about.

We're going to take this super slow for you.

What are the steps required to get a CCW?

[Seran]

We're going to take this super slow for you.

What are the steps required to get a CCW?

Go to Google.com and figure it out for yourself.

[Parkbandit]

Go to Google.com and figure it out for yourself.

So, you are completely clueless.

I'm shocked.

I'm going to go ahead and spoil it for you: You have to get a background check done.

So when Kutter said everyone has to have a background check done in order to purchase a gun, he was 100% correct.

You are just so fucking stupid, you are the only one who doesn't realize this.

Stay retarded though..

[Suppressed Poet]

I understand your trying to troll, but doing it as unintelligibly as you do loses all effect. Kutter thinks everyone has to get a background check at Cabelas when purchasing a gun, I pointed out that they do not when you possess a valid CCW. Somehow there is crying? I don't know, maybe you are due to the complexities of the English language, but that's a personal problem you should talk to your childhood teachers about.

The CCW (we call it LTC - license to carry in my state) holder buying a gun at Cabelas still has to fill out a 4473. They have already been through extensive background checks, so (for some states) there is no need for a NICS check.

How many CCW holders are committing violent crimes? I’ll give you a hint…it’s very close to 0%.

Quit being disingenuous about background checks and the process of buying firearms. You are bitching about nothing at all and, as usual, don’t know what you are talking about.

[Seran]

Meanwhile responsible gun owners everywhere wonder why the far, far right has such a hard time accepting others also being required to act reasonably to be a gun owner. All this railing against personal responsibility and diligence is very socialist.

[Suppressed Poet]

Meanwhile responsible gun owners everywhere wonder why the far, far right has such a hard time accepting others also being required to act reasonably to be a gun owner. All this railing against personal responsibility and diligence is very socialist.

Quit lying and pretending to be a gun owner. Airsoft and Call of Duty don’t count.

[Parkbandit]

Quit lying and pretending to be a gun owner. Airsoft and Call of Duty don’t count.

Oh you know he's not into those.

He's more of a My Little Pony type of "guy" I bet.

[Parkbandit]

Meanwhile responsible gun owners everywhere wonder why the far, far right has such a hard time accepting others also being required to act reasonably to be a gun owner. All this railing against personal responsibility and diligence is very socialist.

Classic surplanting...

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[kutter]

I put him/her I have no idea which on block because as I have gotten older my tolerance for stupidity and idiocy has gotten lower and lower. It is painfully obvious that that person has no knowledge of firearms. In just the past 18 months I have had to fill out six 4473 forms, unfortunately since the state I live in is such a pain in the dick about issuing a concealed carry I went through Arizona and cannot make use of it in my state to forego a background check but I don't care about that, the store that I buy from, well technically have shipped to since I buy most online, the owner is a friend and I know how he feels about the ATF and I am fairly certain that when/if he closes all the forms in his possession will experience an 'accident' of some kind.

I saw someone quoted seran about responsible gun owners, well I know a fair number of them from volunteering as a Range Safety Officer and I can say with 100% certainty they all consider the ATF to be onerous in their actions and there is nothing reasonable about it. But I am sure that their idea of a 'reasonable gun owner' is someone with a .22LR rifle in their closet that has not seen the light of day in a decade.

[Seran]

I put him/her I have no idea which on block because as I have gotten older my tolerance for stupidity and idiocy has gotten lower and lower. It is painfully obvious that that person has no knowledge of firearms. In just the past 18 months I have had to fill out six 4473 forms, unfortunately since the state I live in is such a pain in the dick about issuing a concealed carry I went through Arizona and cannot make use of it in my state to forego a background check but I don't care about that, the store that I buy from, well technically have shipped to since I buy most online, the owner is a friend and I know how he feels about the ATF and I am fairly certain that when/if he closes all the forms in his possession will experience an 'accident' of some kind.

I saw someone quoted seran about responsible gun owners, well I know a fair number of them from volunteering as a Range Safety Officer and I can say with 100% certainty they all consider the ATF to be onerous in their actions and there is nothing reasonable about it. But I am sure that their idea of a 'reasonable gun owner' is someone with a .22LR rifle in their closet that has not seen the light of day in a decade.

Because your inability to get a concealed-carry is a good reason to bemoan the number of background checks 90% of the country must reasonably do. Considering Arizona is a "shall issue" state, one might reasonably expect you have a very a sordid past.

[Parkbandit]

Because your inability to get a concealed-carry is a good reason to bemoan the number of background checks 90% of the country must reasonably do. Considering Arizona is a "shall issue" state, one might reasonably expect you have a very a sordid past.

Your constant surplanting is retarded.

[Methais]

I understand your trying to troll, but doing it as unintelligibly as you do loses all effect. Kutter thinks everyone has to get a background check at Cabelas when purchasing a gun, I pointed out that they do not when you possess a valid CCW. Somehow there is crying? I don't know, maybe you are due to the complexities of the English language, but that's a personal problem you should talk to your childhood teachers about.

Yes, because this whole sub thread is about you crying that there isn't enough "barrier of entry" for people to own guns. Not that I'd expect you to ever have the self awareness to be able to figure that out on your own.

You're also the last person on Earth that should be talking about anyone else being "unintelligible."