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Jeril
06-08-2022, 01:14 PM
Suicides more than double that number in the United States, and with 80% of murders in our country being from firearms, we have a gun death epidemic that must be stopped.



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

But hey, we're only number TWO in the world for the number of gun deaths in 2019, so in Republican speak, everything is fine.



https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

LOL at you being retarded.

Shaps
06-08-2022, 01:39 PM
Suicides more than double that number in the United States, and with 80% of murders in our country being from firearms, we have a gun death epidemic that must be stopped.



https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

But hey, we're only number TWO in the world for the number of gun deaths in 2019, so in Republican speak, everything is fine.



https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country

I didn't include suicide, because I don't care about the mechanism someone chooses to off themselves with. Suicide by gun, is not a "gun problem". Suicide is the problem.

I posted you the per capita data of murders - we came in 57th in the world.
I posted the CDC data for total murders committed by a firearm - there was 19.5k.
You can extrapolate the data from that CDC chart and the majority of firearm incidents occur in cities managed for decades by Democrats - remove those lawless cities and murders by firearms drops easily below 10k per year... in a nation of 350m+ people.
That number, though tragic, is not worth ceding the right of the people to defend themselves.

Your just like T4F... it's fun watching you grasp onto anything you can as you watch what you have believed for years put into action fail so miserably. It's dawning on you, and your ego just can't take the fact that you are a fucking moron.

Shaps
06-08-2022, 02:01 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/view-joy-behar-says-gun-173246632.html

"‘The View': Joy Behar Says Gun Laws Will Definitely Change ‘Once Black People Get Guns in This Country’"

I don't even know how to reply to this... racists being racist, not realizing they're racist... standard for a Lefty racist.

Tgo01
06-08-2022, 02:04 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/view-joy-behar-says-gun-173246632.html

"‘The View': Joy Behar Says Gun Laws Will Definitely Change ‘Once Black People Get Guns in This Country’"

I don't even know how to reply to this... racists being racist, not realizing they're racist... standard for a Lefty racist.

Racist Behar knows there is no law that forbids black people from owning guns right?

Gelston
06-08-2022, 04:22 PM
Racist Behar knows there is no law that forbids black people from owning guns right?

The majority of murders in my city are black on black gun related gang violence.

drumpel
06-08-2022, 06:06 PM
The majority of murders in my city are black on black gun related gang violence.

According to everything I see in politics and the news - it's okay for same skin color people to shoot each other. There's no concern about guns for those situations. In fact, it appears that society encourages this simply due to the fact that it doesn't make headlines and it's unimportant and it doesn't cause any unrest in the community.

Guns are only bad when someone shoots up a school or when a light skin colored person shots someone with darker skin pigment.

Seran
06-08-2022, 10:48 PM
Rep. Scalise really demonstrated just how disconnected Republicans are from the reality of gun control. Banning airplanes? This dude complete overlooked the massive amount of physical security personnel, metal detectors, bag checks and severe restrictions on what can be taken on a plane after 9/11. Flying on planes was made /safer/ and yet Rep Scalise for pure lack of intelligence or willful ignorance thinks because airplanes weren't banned, guns should remain unsecure.


“Airplanes were used that day as the weapon to kill thousands of people and to inflict terror on our country,” Scalise said of the attacks. “There wasn’t a conversation about banning airplanes. There was a conversation about connecting the dots — how can we try to figure out if there are signs we can see to stop the next attack from happening?”

Shaps
06-08-2022, 10:56 PM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congressman-steve-scalise-shot-alexandria-virginia-park-n772111

"Congressman Steve Scalise, Three Others Shot at Alexandria, Virginia, Baseball Field"

Imagine a Lawmaker shot by a maniac - not looking to infringe upon the rights of the citizens he serves. Next time might want to pick a different person as an example.

Again.. there are plenty of laws. They are just instituted lazily, and maniacs don't care what rules you put in place anyways.

If some whack job Lefty offs a Supreme Court Judge... I'd really watch out what might happen... hopefully it doesn't, but since it was tried - and the Left loves to Dox people and insinuate physical confrontation as a political tool... it will get real ugly, real fast if something happens.

Neveragain
06-08-2022, 11:20 PM
Rep. Scalise really demonstrated just how disconnected Republicans are from the reality of gun control. Banning airplanes? This dude complete overlooked the massive amount of physical security personnel, metal detectors, bag checks and severe restrictions on what can be taken on a plane after 9/11. Flying on planes was made /safer/ and yet Rep Scalise for pure lack of intelligence or willful ignorance thinks because airplanes weren't banned, guns should remain unsecure.

Why do we need more laws when the potato and chief won't hold his own son accountable for illegally obtaining a firearm?

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Seran
06-09-2022, 12:06 AM
https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/congressman-steve-scalise-shot-alexandria-virginia-park-n772111

"Congressman Steve Scalise, Three Others Shot at Alexandria, Virginia, Baseball Field"

Imagine a Lawmaker shot by a maniac - not looking to infringe upon the rights of the citizens he serves. Next time might want to pick a different person as an example.

Again.. there are plenty of laws. They are just instituted lazily, and maniacs don't care what rules you put in place anyways.

If some whack job Lefty offs a Supreme Court Judge... I'd really watch out what might happen... hopefully it doesn't, but since it was tried - and the Left loves to Dox people and insinuate physical confrontation as a political tool... it will get real ugly, real fast if something happens.

Oh, are we virtue signaling here or do you honestly believe that someone shouldn't be held accountable for saying something both moronic and tone deaf because he got shot at?

Neveragain
06-09-2022, 01:13 AM
Oh, are we virtue signaling here or do you honestly believe that someone shouldn't be held accountable for saying something both moronic and tone deaf because he got shot at?

Speaking of accountability, why do we need more laws when the presidents own son isn't being held accountable for his illegal possession of a firearm?

Shaps
06-09-2022, 01:33 AM
https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/naked-hunter-biden-cavorts-with-hooker-and-illegal-gun-photos/

"Packin’ heat: Nude Hunter Biden cavorts with hooker, gun in latest mess for president"

Yup... these are the type of people that should be telling the rest of the country what should, and shouldn't, be... no doubt about it. LOL

Parkbandit
06-09-2022, 07:55 AM
The majority of murders in my city are black on black gun related gang violence.

Black people can't use guns in this country.

Fake news.

Parkbandit
06-09-2022, 08:02 AM
Oh, are we virtue signaling here or do you honestly believe that someone shouldn't be held accountable for saying something both moronic and tone deaf because he got shot at?

It was not moronic or tone deaf.. it was just well above your understanding.

Much like everything else except maybe Sesame Street when the Number of the day is 1 and the Letter of the day is A

Methais
06-09-2022, 01:02 PM
Your just like T4F... it's fun watching you grasp onto anything you can as you watch what you have believed for years put into action fail so miserably. It's dawning on you, and your ego just can't take the fact that you are a fucking moron.

This is correct.

Seran
06-09-2022, 01:08 PM
https://nypost.com/2022/06/06/naked-hunter-biden-cavorts-with-hooker-and-illegal-gun-photos/

"Packin’ heat: Nude Hunter Biden cavorts with hooker, gun in latest mess for president"

Yup... these are the type of people that should be telling the rest of the country what should, and shouldn't, be... no doubt about it. LOL

Hey, banging a prostitute and waving a handgun around, he's like the model of an upcoming Freedom Caucus or MAGA endorsed candidate. Hunter Biden for Congress!

Methais
06-09-2022, 01:20 PM
https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/view-joy-behar-says-gun-173246632.html

"‘The View': Joy Behar Says Gun Laws Will Definitely Change ‘Once Black People Get Guns in This Country’"

I don't even know how to reply to this... racists being racist, not realizing they're racist... standard for a Lefty racist.

I haven't made it to the end of the thread yet, but if Seran isn't parroting this yet, he will be soon.

Methais
06-09-2022, 01:30 PM
Rep. Scalise really demonstrated just how disconnected Republicans are from the reality of gun control. Banning airplanes? This dude complete overlooked the massive amount of physical security personnel, metal detectors, bag checks and severe restrictions on what can be taken on a plane after 9/11. Flying on planes was made /safer/ and yet Rep Scalise for pure lack of intelligence or willful ignorance thinks because airplanes weren't banned, guns should remain unsecure.

No, you're just stupid and don't understand what he's getting at despite the simplicity of it.

Much like how guns don't just shoot people all by themselves, airplanes don't crash into buildings all by themselves either, as they both require human input.

Totally shocked that this sailed right over your head though in favor of you having an other ignorance fueled emotional temper tantrum that ends with you shitting your pants.

Methais
06-09-2022, 02:03 PM
Oh, are we virtue signaling here or do you honestly believe that someone shouldn't be held accountable for saying something both moronic and tone deaf because he got shot at?


Way to try and downplay it. He didn't just "get shot at" he literally got shot. With bullets that penetrated his body. And he almost died.

There's a pretty huge difference between "being shot" and "being shot at," not that I would expect a megatard like you to understand the difference though. Even if you weren't too stupid to understand it, you'd still be too full of shit to acknowledge it, because the only things you do is be a massive retard, and argue in bad faith.

TLDR: You're a giant tard like usual

~Rocktar~
06-09-2022, 09:25 PM
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Solkern
06-10-2022, 12:53 AM
Airplanes don't crash into buildings all by themselves either, as they both require human input.


That’s not true. Hehe

Unless you are talking about a specific situation such as 9/11. Then you are correct.

Solkern
06-10-2022, 12:54 AM
Way to try and downplay it. He didn't just "get shot at" he literally got shot. With bullets that penetrated his body. And he almost died.

There's a pretty huge difference between "being shot" and "being shot at," not that I would expect a megatard like you to understand the difference though. Even if you weren't too stupid to understand it, you'd still be too full of shit to acknowledge it, because the only things you do is be a massive retard, and argue in bad faith.

TLDR: You're a giant tard like usual

Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the eyes of the law, unless a death is involved, aren’t they both considered(the same) attempted murder and/or assault with a deadly weapon?

Realk
06-10-2022, 01:56 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the eyes of the law, unless a death is involved, aren’t they both considered(the same) attempted murder and/or assault with a deadly weapon?


I don't know, but if they are that's kinda stupid... Attempted murder should be when you set out to do it.. the assault deadly charge like if you get in a fight and end up doing it.

there are different murder charges, and different manslaughter charges I would assume this would work the same.

Suppressed Poet
06-10-2022, 02:39 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the eyes of the law, unless a death is involved, aren’t they both considered(the same) attempted murder and/or assault with a deadly weapon?

Murder is most often legally defined as having some component of premeditated intent to kill. The prosecution has a higher burden of proof with attempted murder than with aggravated assault.

Parkbandit
06-10-2022, 07:30 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the eyes of the law, unless a death is involved, aren’t they both considered(the same) attempted murder and/or assault with a deadly weapon?

Attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon are two different charges... notice how the words are different?

You've been corrected.

You're welcome.

Solkern
06-10-2022, 08:36 AM
Attempted murder and assault with a deadly weapon are two different charges... notice how the words are different?

You've been corrected.

You're welcome.

Uh, yeah… anyways.

Pretty sure if you shoot someone(They live) or shoot at someone, it’s considered assault with a deadly weapon. If the intent was found to kill, both instances they would be charged with attempted murder. I don’t think being shot at, or being shot makes a difference if the victim lives, in the eyes of the law.

Bhaalizmo
06-10-2022, 08:46 AM
Uh, yeah… anyways.

Pretty sure if you shoot someone(They live) or shoot at someone, it’s considered assault with a deadly weapon. If the intent was found to kill, both instances they would be charged with attempted murder. I don’t think being shot at, or being shot makes a difference if the victim lives, in the eyes of the law.

Assault with a deadly weapon is a pretty broad charge, used for things like a suspect fleeing from police and almost hitting them with a car. But I see where you're going.

Tgo01
06-10-2022, 08:50 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the eyes of the law, unless a death is involved, aren’t they both considered(the same) attempted murder and/or assault with a deadly weapon?

I don't think Methais was speaking about the perspective of the law, he was speaking about the perspective of the victim; there is a huge difference between being shot at and actually being shot.

Just like there is a huge difference if I punch you in the face and if I punch the air next to your face.

As far as the law, the main difference is intent; assault with a deadly weapon/aggravated assault doesn't necessarily mean the person intended to kill their victim, whereas attempted murder does. You can also be charged with both aggravated assault and attempted murder.

If Jim aims for Bob and shoots at him then it's pretty obvious Jim intended to kill Bob, but if Jim missed Bob and instead shot Larry then Jim didn't attempt to murder Larry, but he sure as hell did commit aggravated assault, and if Larry ended up dying then Jim also committed manslaughter and probably a bunch of other crimes.

Solkern
06-10-2022, 09:45 AM
I don't think Methais was speaking about the perspective of the law, he was speaking about the perspective of the victim; there is a huge difference between being shot at and actually being shot.

Just like there is a huge difference if I punch you in the face and if I punch the air next to your face.

As far as the law, the main difference is intent; assault with a deadly weapon/aggravated assault doesn't necessarily mean the person intended to kill their victim, whereas attempted murder does. You can also be charged with both aggravated assault and attempted murder.

If Jim aims for Bob and shoots at him then it's pretty obvious Jim intended to kill Bob, but if Jim missed Bob and instead shot Larry then Jim didn't attempt to murder Larry, but he sure as hell did commit aggravated assault, and if Larry ended up dying then Jim also committed manslaughter and probably a bunch of other crimes.

Wouldn’t Jim also be charged with attempted murder of Bob?

Tgo01
06-10-2022, 09:46 AM
Wouldn’t Jim also be charged with attempted murder of Bob?

Yes.

Methais
06-10-2022, 10:37 AM
Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the eyes of the law, unless a death is involved, aren’t they both considered(the same) attempted murder and/or assault with a deadly weapon?

I'm referring to the physical differences between "being shot at" and "being shot."


Uh, yeah… anyways.

Pretty sure if you shoot someone(They live) or shoot at someone, it’s considered assault with a deadly weapon. If the intent was found to kill, both instances they would be charged with attempted murder. I don’t think being shot at, or being shot makes a difference if the victim lives, in the eyes of the law.

Being "shot at" implies that you weren't hit.

Being shot means you were.

Stop being obtuse.

Parkbandit
06-10-2022, 10:47 AM
Stop being obtuse.

Good luck with that request.

Solkern
06-10-2022, 11:13 AM
I'm referring to the physical differences between "being shot at" and "being shot."



Being "shot at" implies that you weren't hit.

Being shot means you were.

Stop being obtuse.

I’m well aware of what you meant, my question was referring to the law aspect of it.

Methais
06-10-2022, 12:48 PM
Way to try and downplay it. He didn't just "get shot at" he literally got shot. With bullets that penetrated his body. And he almost died.

There's a pretty huge difference between "being shot" and "being shot at," not that I would expect a megatard like you to understand the difference though. Even if you weren't too stupid to understand it, you'd still be too full of shit to acknowledge it, because the only things you do is be a massive retard, and argue in bad faith.

TLDR: You're a giant tard like usual

Correct me if I’m wrong, but in the eyes of the law, unless a death is involved, aren’t they both considered(the same) attempted murder and/or assault with a deadly weapon?




I’m well aware of what you meant, my question was referring to the law aspect of it.

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