14 Mass Shootings in the USA Over Memorial Day Weekend

[ClydeR]

Amid calls for gun control after last week's massacre at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school, shots rang out across the country over the Memorial Day weekend, with more than a dozen mass shootings in the span of 72 hours.

According to the Gun Violence Archive, which tracks shootings in the United States, there were at least 14 "mass shootings" in the country over the weekend, from early Saturday to late Monday.

The archive defines a mass shooting as an incident in which "four or more people are shot or killed, not including the shooter."

At least nine people were killed in the shootings, with more than 60 injured, according to the organization's data.

A preliminary count found that gun violence — not just mass shootings — left at least 156 people dead and 412 injured from 5 p.m. ET Friday to 5 a.m. Tuesday, the archive said.

More... (https://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/memorial-day-weekend-marked-dozen-mass-shootings-us-rcna31179)

To stop this level of violence, we need more armed citizens.

[Methais]

To stop this level of violence, we need more armed citizens.

So how many of them were the usual gang related shit that happens every single weekend with guns that were already possessed illegally?

That article is intentionally being super vague with details about anything they're talking about.



Amid calls for gun control after last week's massacre at a Uvalde, Texas, elementary school, shots rang out across the country over the Memorial Day weekend, with more than a dozen mass shootings in the span of 72 hours.

According to the Gun Violence Archive, which tracks shootings in the United States, there were at least 14 "mass shootings" in the country over the weekend, from early Saturday to late Monday.

The archive defines a mass shooting as an incident in which "four or more people are shot or killed, not including the shooter."

At least nine people were killed in the shootings, with more than 60 injured, according to the organization's data.

A preliminary count found that gun violence — not just mass shootings — left at least 156 people dead and 412 injured from 5 p.m. ET Friday to 5 a.m. Tuesday, the archive said.

https://i.imgur.com/Icy6ttd.png (https://twitter.com/GunDeaths/status/1531557627154550784)


Among the shootings over the long weekend was one Monday night in Charleston, South Carolina. Multiple people were shot and at least three law enforcement officials were hurt after gunfire erupted in the city's downtown, according to police.

Earlier in the day, a shooting in Philadelphia left two women dead and two others injured.

Philadelphia police said they found the two women shot in the head in Port Richmond just before 1:30 a.m., NBC Philadelphia reported. Both women died at the hospital.

A teenager was also rushed to the hospital with a gunshot wound to the shoulder in connection with the incident, while a man who was found shot a block away was taken to a hospital and was in critical condition, police said.




A preliminary count found that gun violence — not just mass shootings — left at least 156 people dead and 412 injured from 5 p.m. ET Friday to 5 a.m. Tuesday, the archive said.

Take note of how they snuck this line in, which contradicts the headline of the article, and most people don't read past the headline because they're stupid.

I'd bet money that the majority of these numbers just fall under "gun violence" and not "mass shootings" just because of how intentionally vague they're being.

In before Seran drama queens it up some more.

[Seran]

To stop this level of violence, we need more armed citizens.

Notice there's more violence when it starts getting hot. People with guns obviously don't like getting sweaty, so they murder people to cool off.

[Parkbandit]

Notice there's more violence when it starts getting hot. People with guns obviously don't like getting sweaty, so they murder people to cool off.

GLOBAL WARMING IS MAKING PEOPLE KILLERS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! -Seran 2022

[Methais]

Notice there's more violence when it starts getting hot. People with guns obviously don't like getting sweaty, so they murder people to cool off.


https://i.imgur.com/mAgBLmE.png

Your soy levels are increasing exponentially.

[Stanley Burrell]

What happened?

[Methais]

What happened?

Seran overdosed on soy again.

[ClydeR]

I agree that it's not just guns. As Donald Trump Jr. said (https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-jr-says-guns-135907915.html) this weekend, if no guns were available, the Uvdale shooter could have used a bat or a machete to commit exactly the same murders.

[Seran]

I agree that it's not just guns. As Donald Trump Jr. said (https://news.yahoo.com/donald-trump-jr-says-guns-135907915.html) this weekend, if no guns were available, the Uvdale shooter could have used a bat or a machete to commit exactly the same murders.

That's total bullshit.

[Realk]

That's total bullshit.

How do you figure, with as much time as the police gave him. He could have done it with a butter knife.. made a Pb&J and watched Ellen.

[Gelston]

He could have physically beat every kid in there to death in the amount of time it took from the start to when he was killed with the Barbershop owner's gun.

[Seran]

How do you figure, with as much time as the police gave him. He could have done it with a butter knife.. made a Pb&J and watched Ellen.

Assuming the school resource officer and the rest of Uvalde police would have set aside their cowardice to engage? Assuming one of the adult teachers wouldn't have risked their lives to stop him from using a knife? How about the fact the kid waited until he could purchase two AR-15s and hundreds of bullets, when at any point he could have used a knife before?

That's why it's bullshit. A police officer would have put him down if he was using a melee weapon and no teacher was going to sit still while he systematically stabbed the adults and children to death.

[Amerek]

How do you figure, with as much time as the police gave him. He could have done it with a butter knife.. made a Pb&J and watched Ellen.

https://i.imgflip.com/6hqx9s.jpg

[Tgo01]

The press secretary says Biden doesn't support "hardening schools".

How many more children must die before Democrats support securing schools?

[Seran]

The press secretary says Biden doesn't support "hardening schools".

How many more children must die before Democrats support securing schools?

Nice attempt to spend the fact that Republicans and their make-believe gun rights or what killed all those children. And you're forgetting the fact that those schools get thousands of dollars per year per student and could have easily latch their doors properly, you should pose that question to Governor Abbott

[Seran]

https://i.imgflip.com/6hqx9s.jpg

Pretty accurate, I'm surprised the Republicans aren't blaming those kids for getting in the way of innocent bullets

[Alfster]

The press secretary says Biden doesn't support "hardening schools".

How many more children must die before Democrats support securing schools?

Oh Karen.

[Realk]

Assuming the school resource officer and the rest of Uvalde police would have set aside their cowardice to engage? Assuming one of the adult teachers wouldn't have risked their lives to stop him from using a knife? How about the fact the kid waited until he could purchase two AR-15s and hundreds of bullets, when at any point he could have used a knife before?

That's why it's bullshit. A police officer would have put him down if he was using a melee weapon and no teacher was going to sit still while he systematically stabbed the adults and children to death.


cowardice would have been a deal regardless of the weapon used to cause harm.. The fact remains that it's not the utensil used or the age of the suspect. It's his mental health and his mental health ONLY. The teachers and schools got laxxed we all do sometimes thinking that it'll never be us.. That day it was them and they responded poorly. It's still only on the shoulder of that kid... not any utensil he may have used to do it.

[Seran]

cowardice would have been a deal regardless of the weapon used to cause harm.. The fact remains that it's not the utensil used or the age of the suspect. It's his mental health and his mental health ONLY. The teachers and schools got laxxed we all do sometimes thinking that it'll never be us.. That day it was them and they responded poorly. It's still only on the shoulder of that kid... not any utensil he may have used to do it.

Do you honestly think the school resources officer and two police officers who exchanged gunfire and were out front before the shooter even got in the school wouldn't have approached, or used lethal force if he were only wielding a knife? I don't think you do.

If he didn't have a gun, the body count wouldn't have made it past 2-3 if he killed anyone at all

[~Rocktar~]

Do you honestly think the school resources officer and two police officers who exchanged gunfire and were out front before the shooter even got in the school wouldn't have approached, or used lethal force if he were only wielding a knife? I don't think you do.

If he didn't have a gun, the body count wouldn't have made it past 2-3 if he killed anyone at all

Then you would be crying for knife bans right on schedule as your Leftist overlords in the media programmed you to do. Fuck off simp.

[Realk]

Do you honestly think the school resources officer and two police officers who exchanged gunfire and were out front before the shooter even got in the school wouldn't have approached, or used lethal force if he were only wielding a knife? I don't think you do.

If he didn't have a gun, the body count wouldn't have made it past 2-3 if he killed anyone at all


I honestly think that you don't have a gun fight if both parties are not armed. That has no bearing on anything though to answer the question. So if he was wielding a knife he would have walked in much faster and unnoticed.

Lets be honest about it.. if you wanted to kill people you can make anything a weapon pretty quickly...guns arent the problem.

[Orthin]

Even if no one approached him, you can outrun a knife or bat and there is more physical exhaustion involved having to apply the force needed versus using a gun and more added risk to the user which plays into it someone would even think to carry out the action.

Without advocating one way or the other on guns looking at all these tools one is clearly more effective than the others and to me comparing them like equals in the same scenario just doesn’t jive.

I would always rather someone on the other side have a knife/bat over a gun just like I would much rather personally have a gun over a knife/bat.

[~Rocktar~]

Even if no one approached him, you can outrun a knife or bat and there is more physical exhaustion involved having to apply the force needed versus using a gun and more added risk to the user which plays into it someone would even think to carry out the action.

Without advocating one way or the other on guns looking at all these tools one is clearly more effective than the others and to me comparing them like equals in the same scenario just doesn’t jive.

I would always rather someone on the other side have a knife/bat over a gun just like I would much rather personally have a gun over a knife/bat.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/285609476_3123071877942292_8804995805435815074_n.j pg?stp=dst-jpg_s261x260&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=VIQTJ4zzYu8AX-YnrAb&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-TGuVBWHl9rLb6LYjaVJcMWOf8zCZTqr_dLqnSlx6_sw&oe=629B811B

[Methais]

Assuming the school resource officer and the rest of Uvalde police would have set aside their cowardice to engage? Assuming one of the adult teachers wouldn't have risked their lives to stop him from using a knife? How about the fact the kid waited until he could purchase two AR-15s and hundreds of bullets, when at any point he could have used a knife before?

That's why it's bullshit. A police officer would have put him down if he was using a melee weapon and no teacher was going to sit still while he systematically stabbed the adults and children to death.

You really are dense as fuck. Try to keep up.

[Orthin]

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t39.30808-6/285609476_3123071877942292_8804995805435815074_n.j pg?stp=dst-jpg_s261x260&_nc_cat=100&ccb=1-7&_nc_sid=dbeb18&_nc_ohc=VIQTJ4zzYu8AX-YnrAb&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&oh=00_AT-TGuVBWHl9rLb6LYjaVJcMWOf8zCZTqr_dLqnSlx6_sw&oe=629B811B

I wasn’t talking about taking your guns so not sure what you are looking for.

[Seran]

You really are dense as fuck. Try to keep up.

Your worthless opinion is noted.

[Seran]

I honestly think that you don't have a gun fight if both parties are not armed. That has no bearing on anything though to answer the question. So if he was wielding a knife he would have walked in much faster and unnoticed.

Lets be honest about it.. if you wanted to kill people you can make anything a weapon pretty quickly...guns arent the problem.

The dude was intent on murdering children. If he had a knife of baseball bat, the Uvalde SRO or Uvalde police would have stopped him.

The fact he had an AR-15 overwhelmed the capabilities of the local police, and he murdered children. The vast difference in armament and the cowardice of the police is what caused this tragedy, all of which would have been prevented if he didn't have a gun.

[Tgo01]

Are Seran and Macguyver tag teaming the crazy now?

[Orthin]

The dude was intent on murdering children. If he had a knife of baseball bat, the Uvalde SRO or Uvalde police would have stopped him.

The fact he had an AR-15 overwhelmed the capabilities of the local police, and he murdered children. The vast difference in armament and the cowardice of the police is what caused this tragedy, all of which would have been prevented if he didn't have a gun.

Every human is subject to fight/flight and it takes a lot of training and real life exposure to those events to condition yourself against instinct. I would never call anyone regardless of their position a coward if they were in a live fire moment and could not act according. Should they look for a new job, absolutely; but should they be labelled a coward, no.

[Seran]

Every human is subject to fight/flight and it takes a lot of training and real life exposure to those events to condition yourself against instinct. I would never call anyone regardless of their position a coward if they were in a live fire moment and could not act according. Should they look for a new job, absolutely; but should they be labelled a coward, no.

Police training should overcome that, and although you're right about right or flight being a biological instinct, that commander is now a council member after holding back his officers from engaging. The victim count likely would have been far lower had he not /acted/ like a coward.


Uvalde shooting: The cowards in Stetsons

Turns out, tough Texans in Stetsons aren’t so tough.

The excuses offered by police in Uvalde to excuse their cowardice only confirm their cowardice.

Nineteen armed police stood in an elementary school hallway and did nothing for more than an hour while an armed teenager murdered 19 children pleading for help and the two teacher

https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2022/5/29/uvalde-shooting-the-cowards-in-stetsons

[Orthin]

Police training should overcome that, and although you're right about right or flight being a biological instinct, that commander is now a council member after holding back his officers from engaging. The victim count likely would have been far lower had he not /acted/ like a coward.



https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/opinions/2022/5/29/uvalde-shooting-the-cowards-in-stetsons

Training is still training though, no matter how closely to real something is in a training the trainer is never going to intentionally put you in a scenario where it will actually be life or death. The goal would be to simulate it but it's never going to be the same. We also cannot assume that their training was specialized in this manner too, their training could consist of de-escalation between domestic violence concerns and handling belligerent drunk drivers and less around live shooter(s) taking a school hostage.

Soldiers get trained for war and can still suffer this problem with extensive training. The military does their best to weed them out but it is difficult to know with 100% certainty how someone is going to act once it is 100% real.

I just think it is an unfair classification for anyone actively on the ground to be labelled a coward if they in their person could not find a way to act. They absolutely should find another job or be forced to step down, but they would not be a coward.

[Methais]

Your worthless opinion is noted.

You being dense is a fact, not an opinion. Don't be upset because you're too stupid to keep up with anything.

Speaking of stupid, why won't you tell us what abstinence is and how republicans are trying to block it? Since you know, you told us that republicans are blocking abstinence and all...

[Seran]

Training is still training though, no matter how closely to real something is in a training the trainer is never going to intentionally put you in a scenario where it will actually be life or death. The goal would be to simulate it but it's never going to be the same. We also cannot assume that their training was specialized in this manner too, their training could consist of de-escalation between domestic violence concerns and handling belligerent drunk drivers and less around live shooter(s) taking a school hostage.

Soldiers get trained for war and can still suffer this problem with extensive training. The military does their best to weed them out but it is difficult to know with 100% certainty how someone is going to act once it is 100% real.

I just think it is an unfair classification for anyone actively on the ground to be labelled a coward if they in their person could not find a way to act. They absolutely should find another job or be forced to step down, but they would not be a coward.

Soldiers who are subject to courts martial for acts of cowardice, that has never changed and they receive specific training to ratchet up psychological numbness to overcome flight.

To a lesser degree, so are police officers and I don't think you can have a police force trying to protect a society better armed than they are when their leaders are terrified of doing their duties. The logical step is to resolve the inequality of force.

[Methais]

The dude was intent on murdering children. If he had a knife of baseball bat, the Uvalde SRO or Uvalde police would have stopped him.

The fact he had an AR-15 overwhelmed the capabilities of the local police, and he murdered children. The vast difference in armament and the cowardice of the police is what caused this tragedy, all of which would have been prevented if he didn't have a gun.

Look at this retard, acting like an AR-15 is so powerful that it would just wipe out an entire armed police dept if they ran inside, as if an AR-15 is a rocket launcher or something.

^ Emphasis on "if they ran inside" since they just stood outside being useless sacks of shit instead.

Don't get me wrong, those cops suck tremendous ass for sticking their thumbs up their asses and doing nothing, but still...shut the fuck up and quit being so full of shit Seran.

It overwhelmed an entire police department so much that one border patrol guy was able to go in and end the situation.

Using your logic, shouldn't that border patrol agent have gotten annihilated, since according to you, an AR-15 is so powerful that it "overwhelmed the capabilities of the local police"?

I really wish you were just a really clever troll, because the fact that anyone as stupid as you could possibly exist is scary.

Hey Seran, can you tell us what the AR in AR-15 stands for?

[Parkbandit]

Soldiers who are subject to courts martial for acts of cowardice, that has never changed and they receive specific training to ratchet up psychological numbness to overcome flight.

To a lesser degree, so are police officers and I don't think you can have a police force trying to protect a society better armed than they are when their leaders are terrified of doing their duties. The logical step is to resolve the inequality of force.

I'm fine with giving police more powerful firepower.

I'm surprised you are as well.

[Methais]

Related: Their facebook page is loaded with posts like this, bragging about how geared up they are and other dumb shit, and they've been getting justifiably destroyed nonstop in the comments since the shooting.

https://i.imgur.com/tYIsxnZ.png

https://i.imgur.com/Enpafkk.png

https://www.facebook.com/uvaldepd


What a fucking shitshow these retards are. They might be even more retarded than Seran.

[Methais]

Training is still training though, no matter how closely to real something is in a training the trainer is never going to intentionally put you in a scenario where it will actually be life or death. The goal would be to simulate it but it's never going to be the same. We also cannot assume that their training was specialized in this manner too, their training could consist of de-escalation between domestic violence concerns and handling belligerent drunk drivers and less around live shooter(s) taking a school hostage.

Soldiers get trained for war and can still suffer this problem with extensive training. The military does their best to weed them out but it is difficult to know with 100% certainty how someone is going to act once it is 100% real.

I just think it is an unfair classification for anyone actively on the ground to be labelled a coward if they in their person could not find a way to act. They absolutely should find another job or be forced to step down, but they would not be a coward.

The thing is though that some of them managed to find the courage to run inside to get their own kids out. Then they just stood around being retards some more after while people inside were getting slaughtered.

[Orthin]

The thing is though that some of them managed to find the courage to run inside to get their own kids out. Then they just stood around being retards some more after while people inside were getting slaughtered.

Yeah I would hold them to a higher standard than someone who is just plain shook then.

[Seran]

I'm fine with giving police more powerful firepower.

I'm surprised you are as well.

If we're not going to decrease the firepower of the citizenry then you need to increase the firepower of those protecting it. Universally codifying qualified immunity in the face of a deadly threat needs to be part of this as well.

[Methais]

If we're not going to decrease the firepower of the citizenry then you need to increase the firepower of those protecting it. Universally codifying qualified immunity in the face of a deadly threat needs to be part of this as well.

Firepower is meaningless when they're too chicken shit to confront the shooter to begin with. Lack of police firepower wasn't the problem with this shooting, it was 100% police cowardice and incompetence that is to blame.

I know you think one dude with an AR-15 could wipe out an entire armed police department, but you're also very stupid, so we have to also consider that.

Stop being a bootlicker.

[Seran]

Firepower is meaningless when they're too chicken shit to confront the shooter to begin with. Lack of police firepower wasn't the problem with this shooting, it was 100% police cowardice and incompetence that is to blame.

I know you think one dude with an AR-15 could wipe out an entire armed police department, but you're also very stupid, so we have to also consider that.

Stop being a bootlicker.

Use your inane fucking logic and ask yourself /why/ the police didn't do their job, combine that with the overwhelming threat of the shooter, the cowardly leadership and realize for one moment you're arguing against your own solutions for once in your life.

[Methais]

Use your inane fucking logic and ask yourself /why/ the police didn't do their job, combine that with the overwhelming threat of the shooter, the cowardly leadership and realize for one moment you're arguing against your own solutions for once in your life.

You:

Fuckin idiots think a three foot rifle with massive over-penetration is going to save your family from a home invasion.

Also you, 31 minutes later:

The fact he had an AR-15 overwhelmed the capabilities of the local police, and he murdered children.




Which one is it Seran? Both can't be true.


Also, what is abstinence and how are republicans trying to block it?

[Parkbandit]

If we're not going to decrease the firepower of the citizenry then you need to increase the firepower of those protecting it. Universally codifying qualified immunity in the face of a deadly threat needs to be part of this as well.

I'm not willing to throw away the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

I'm fine with arming the Police Department with anything they need.

[chowell]

I'm not willing to throw away the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution.

I'm fine with arming the Police Department with anything they need.

2A was passed back when there were only single round flintlock guns. We now have automatics rifles readily available for purchase and yet the rights and supporting laws to bare them are largely still the same. I personally don’t see a need for firearms or the need to retain the 2A as written but, I understand the extreme contrasting views in the US and the immediate compromise should be much stricter regulations on firearms. Unfortunately, we have more guns than people in the US so I don’t think much will change unless they are all removed, in my opinion, thus arming and training our police force is also a necessary action in the interim, again just my opinion. Other countries have done away with them altogether successfully and have thus reduced similar tragedies involving firearms to nearly zero. What benefits do you gain by having guns? What if all guns were removed, would you still feel the need to have them?


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[Parkbandit]

2A was passed back when there were only single round flintlock guns. We now have automatics rifles readily available for purchase and yet the rights and supporting laws to bare them are largely still the same. I personally don’t see a need for firearms or the need to retain the 2A as written but, I understand the extreme contrasting views in the US and the immediate compromise should be much stricter regulations on firearms. Unfortunately, we have more guns than people in the US so I don’t think much will change unless they are all removed, in my opinion, thus arming and training our police force is also a necessary action in the interim, again just my opinion. Other countries have done away with them altogether successfully and have thus reduced similar tragedies involving firearms to nearly zero. What benefits do you gain by having guns? What if all guns were removed, would you still feel the need to have them?


I don't play the hypothetical games like "What if we could magically get rid of every single gun".. since I live in reality.

I have the right to bear arms which is spelled out quite clearly in the 2nd Amendment to the US Constitution. If the citizens of this country want to do away with that right, all that is required is passing a new amendment taking away that right.

Good luck with that.

ETA: I no longer have a single firearm in my possession since the boating accident of 2017.

[Seran]

2A was passed back when there were only single round flintlock guns. We now have automatics rifles readily available for purchase and yet the rights and supporting laws to bare them are largely still the same. I personally don’t see a need for firearms or the need to retain the 2A as written but, I understand the extreme contrasting views in the US and the immediate compromise should be much stricter regulations on firearms. Unfortunately, we have more guns than people in the US so I don’t think much will change unless they are all removed, in my opinion, thus arming and training our police force is also a necessary action in the interim, again just my opinion. Other countries have done away with them altogether successfully and have thus reduced similar tragedies involving firearms to nearly zero. What benefits do you gain by having guns? What if all guns were removed, would you still feel the need to have them?


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As a revolutionary country that systematically wiped out it's indigenous people and had several battles for more land, our country started out with an overly abundant weapons industry. As the need to hunt for food or to oppress the local natives died out, rather than face shrinking sales, the weapons industries made owning firearms a right of passage for men. Through the NRA and direct political donations, arms manufacturers wield outsized influence and you see that personified in the tone deaf response from the right to mass shootings. They want guns out of the hands of 'bad people', not recognizing that the obscene numbers of guns out there makes it disgustingly simply for criminals to use them.

There is no modern need for firearms beyond low caliber revolvers and shotguns for home protection, and hunting rifles. Restricting ownership of anything beyond that and regulating what is allowed would go a long way to slowing gun violence in our country.

It's sad that Republicans see the United States as 'special' and thus immune from comparison to the low crime rates and gun deaths overseas, but I don't see that changing.

[Jeril]

2A was passed back when there were only single round flintlock guns. We now have automatics rifles readily available for purchase and yet the rights and supporting laws to bare them are largely still the same. I personally don’t see a need for firearms or the need to retain the 2A as written but, I understand the extreme contrasting views in the US and the immediate compromise should be much stricter regulations on firearms. Unfortunately, we have more guns than people in the US so I don’t think much will change unless they are all removed, in my opinion, thus arming and training our police force is also a necessary action in the interim, again just my opinion. Other countries have done away with them altogether successfully and have thus reduced similar tragedies involving firearms to nearly zero. What benefits do you gain by having guns? What if all guns were removed, would you still feel the need to have them?


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Kind of sad, you say you have kids and yet the guns is what has you worried. Not the mental health problems of kids that is leading to this sort of tragedy in the first place.

[Suppressed Poet]

ETA: I no longer have a single firearm in my possession since the boating accident of 2017.

I used to have similar boating accidents but these days I just say I have many firearms & it’s going to stay that way.

What happens if you make me & 100 million God-fearing, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens like me criminals overnight because of the firearms owned? I pray they don’t fuck around and find out. It’s my line in the sand. My ancestors shot red coats in the face for far less tyranny.

[Neveragain]

2A was passed back when there were only single round flintlock guns. We now have automatics rifles readily available for purchase and yet the rights and supporting laws to bare them are largely still the same. I personally don’t see a need for firearms or the need to retain the 2A as written but, I understand the extreme contrasting views in the US and the immediate compromise should be much stricter regulations on firearms. Unfortunately, we have more guns than people in the US so I don’t think much will change unless they are all removed, in my opinion, thus arming and training our police force is also a necessary action in the interim, again just my opinion. Other countries have done away with them altogether successfully and have thus reduced similar tragedies involving firearms to nearly zero. What benefits do you gain by having guns? What if all guns were removed, would you still feel the need to have them?


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You could literally own cannons and warships at the time of the writing of the 2A.

Amazingly, nobody would use a bank that wasn't secure. Your children though, meh.


What benefits do you gain by having guns?

The benefit of being able to defend my family, myself and my property when the police show up, 30 minutes after the fact.

Where you moved to sounds like exactly where you should be.

[Neveragain]

As a revolutionary country that systematically wiped out it's indigenous people and had several battles for more land, our country started out with an overly abundant weapons industry. As the need to hunt for food or to oppress the local natives died out, rather than face shrinking sales, the weapons industries made owning firearms a right of passage for men. Through the NRA and direct political donations, arms manufacturers wield outsized influence and you see that personified in the tone deaf response from the right to mass shootings. They want guns out of the hands of 'bad people', not recognizing that the obscene numbers of guns out there makes it disgustingly simply for criminals to use them.

There is no modern need for firearms beyond low caliber revolvers and shotguns for home protection, and hunting rifles. Restricting ownership of anything beyond that and regulating what is allowed would go a long way to slowing gun violence in our country.

It's sad that Republicans see the United States as 'special' and thus immune from comparison to the low crime rates and gun deaths overseas, but I don't see that changing.

I don't think the word "caliber" means what you think it means.

[Seran]

Kind of sad, you say you have kids and yet the guns is what has you worried. Not the mental health problems of kids that is leading to this sort of tragedy in the first place.

If the violence is happening here and not their country, why do their priorities even matter to you? The discussion is about horrible people being able to easily obtain weapons of war and committing horrible mass shootings.

Since you brought it up, Republicans are against red flag laws that would prevent them from legally purchasing guns. Pair that with how easy it is to get guns illegally, again thanks to Republicans, we're in a bad place.

[Seran]

I used to have similar boating accidents but these days I just say I have many firearms & it’s going to stay that way.

What happens if you make me & 100 million God-fearing, law-abiding, tax-paying citizens like me criminals overnight because of the firearms owned? I pray they don’t fuck around and find out. It’s my line in the sand. My ancestors shot red coats in the face for far less tyranny.

You'll be going to jail if you feel sedition is your only way forward. Ask those numb nuts Oath Keepers

[Seran]

I don't think the word "caliber" means what you think it means.

People understand caliber, even if it's inaccurate. If I started talking about grain count or stopping power, no one's going to follow

[Neveragain]

People understand caliber, even if it's inaccurate. If I started talking about grain count or stopping power, no one's going to follow

So, .22 caliber is ok as well as .73 caliber?

[Neveragain]

You'll be going to jail.

Finally some truth from the Stalin wannabe.

https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/jojo-696x442.png

[Methais]

We now have automatics rifles readily available for purchase and yet the rights and supporting laws to bare them are largely still the same.

You can't buy automatic weapons in the US.

[Methais]

The discussion is about horrible people being able to easily obtain weapons of war and committing horrible mass shootings.

An AR-15 isn't a weapon of war. Do you know why? Because it's not used in war. The military doesn't use them.

[Methais]

You'll be going to jail if you feel sedition is your only way forward. Ask those numb nuts Oath Keepers

He's talking about shooting people in the face, since you're too dense to pick that up on your own and you think it would end with handcuffs.

You were a hall monitor in school, weren't you?


If the violence is happening here and not their country, why do their priorities even matter to you? The discussion is about horrible people being able to easily obtain weapons of war and committing horrible mass shootings.

Since you brought it up, Republicans are against red flag laws that would prevent them from legally purchasing guns. Pair that with how easy it is to get guns illegally, again thanks to Republicans, we're in a bad place.


"We need to make guns harder to own legally because it's too easy to get them illegally!" -Seran

[~Rocktar~]

2A was passed back when there were only single round flintlock guns. We now have automatics rifles readily available for purchase and yet the rights and supporting laws to bare them are largely still the same. I personally don’t see a need for firearms or the need to retain the 2A as written but, I understand the extreme contrasting views in the US and the immediate compromise should be much stricter regulations on firearms. Unfortunately, we have more guns than people in the US so I don’t think much will change unless they are all removed, in my opinion, thus arming and training our police force is also a necessary action in the interim, again just my opinion. Other countries have done away with them altogether successfully and have thus reduced similar tragedies involving firearms to nearly zero. What benefits do you gain by having guns? What if all guns were removed, would you still feel the need to have them?


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So the Frist Amendment was written when there was a town crier and single sheet manual printing presses so we should say it doesn't apply online, to books and newspapers printed on high speed automatic printers and so on?

As to the benefits of keeping firearms, well, that should be obvious but apparently it's not. The 2A is written to allow the people to keep their right and ability to fight back against a tyrannical authoritarian government. Let's look at the results, Great Britain, the people got locked down without ability to protest or resist, they have massive crime including gun crime and when they do protest, they can be rolled over by the police at any time without any chance to fight back. Canada, the prime minister instituted emergency measures to forcefully break up protests, confiscate the bank accounts of people who donated and to confiscate anyone's goods they thought might be used to support the trucker's strike. Australia locked their people in their homes for basically 2 years without the ability to protest and they go about locking people up for social media posts criticizing the government. China has 2 million Muslim Uyghurs in slave labor camps right now. This is modern day results of gun bans and it won't get any better for those people.

[~Rocktar~]

The dude was intent on murdering children. If he had a knife of baseball bat, the Uvalde SRO or Uvalde police would have stopped him.

The fact he had an AR-15 overwhelmed the capabilities of the local police, and he murdered children. The vast difference in armament and the cowardice of the police is what caused this tragedy, all of which would have been prevented if he didn't have a gun.

So the AR-15 is so overwhelming that a bunch of cops that could go in and rescue their own children couldn't go against the shooter? The same AR-15 that this guy was using to shoot into a crowd when a single woman pulled out a single pistol and ended his life? That AR-15?


CHARLESTON, W.Va. — A woman in West Virginia fatally shot a man who began firing an AR-15-style rifle into a crowd of people that had gathered for a party, authorities said.

Dennis Butler, 37, was killed Wednesday night after he pulled out the rifle and began shooting at dozens of people attending the birthday-graduation party outside an apartment complex in Charleston, police said in a statement.

The woman, who was attending the party, drew a pistol and fired, killing Butler, the statement said. No one at the party was injured.

“Instead of running from the threat, she engaged with the threat and saved several lives last night,” Chief of Detectives Tony Hazelett told news outlets Thursday.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/28/armed-woman-kills-man-firing-rifle-party/9975381002/

Fuck off retard.

[Neveragain]

He's talking about shooting people in the face, since you're too dense to pick that up on your owand you think it would end with handcuffs.

In Serans mind, he wants to send the cops, the same cops that took an entire force to take down 1 lunatic, after millions of gun owners that he would make criminals with the stroke of a pen.

Let's face it. Seran jerks into a sock over the idea of jack booted patrols breaking down the doors, in the middle of the night, of those he deems as his political opponents.

[Seran]

Finally some truth from the Stalin wannabe.

https://www.nme.com/wp-content/uploads/2019/09/jojo-696x442.png

What a pity you reference such a funny movie to make a dumb ass meme. I take it you're surprised whenever people break the law go to jail? SP implying he'd shoot anyone in the face who tried to enforce laws is pretty on point for the Path Keepers

[Seran]

So the AR-15 is so overwhelming that a bunch of cops that could go in and rescue their own children couldn't go against the shooter? The same AR-15 that this guy was using to shoot into a crowd when a single woman pulled out a single pistol and ended his life? That AR-15?



https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2022/05/28/armed-woman-kills-man-firing-rifle-party/9975381002/

Pretty sad when private citizens using legal weapons are more effective than the police. I agree with you though Governor Abbott should resign in shame.

[~Rocktar~]

Pretty sad when private citizens using legal weapons are more effective than the police. I agree with you though Governor Abbott should resign in shame.

Can't agree with anything I didn't say there skippy. Nice try though you are still a loser.

[Suppressed Poet]

What a pity you reference such a funny movie to make a dumb ass meme. I take it you're surprised whenever people break the law go to jail? SP implying he'd shoot anyone in the face who tried to enforce laws is pretty on point for the Path Keepers

All I said was my ancestors shot red coats in the face for far less tyranny. You extract from that what you will.

I suppose you believe that when the Nazis came to round up the Jews to put into cattle carts heading for concentration camps, those Jews were morally obligated to comply because it’s the law after all. And those damn Kulaks should have just complied with the Stalin’s law to forfeit all property for the “greater good”.

But what am I saying? You skipped history class and MSNBC told you the Numberg laws was actually Trump’s fault…

[Seran]

All I said was my ancestors shot red coats in the face for far less tyranny. You extract from that what you will.

I suppose you believe that when the Nazis came to round up the Jews to put into cattle carts heading for concentration camps, those Jews were morally obligated to comply because it’s the law after all. And those damn Kulaks should have just complied with the Stalin’s law to forfeit all property for the “greater good”.

But what am I saying? You skipped history class and MSNBC told you the Numberg laws was actually Trump’s fault…

A violation of natural law by the Nazi's has absolutely no relevance whatsoever so gun control in the nation with the highest number of gun deaths per year.

[Seran]

Though I imagine SPs ancestors also shot the people there to release their slaves too.

[~Rocktar~]

https://youtu.be/i7Lo-EpiMfQ

[chowell]

Kind of sad, you say you have kids and yet the guns is what has you worried. Not the mental health problems of kids that is leading to this sort of tragedy in the first place.

I should have tagged my post from where I responded in the political folder that is on this same topic— yes I agree mental heath is a huge concern in the US, and should continue to be a priority to address. I’m not saying that isn’t a concern everywhere and I’m not saying the guns are the biggest/only concern, I was simply drawing the comparison to other countries who do not have the magnitude of firearms that we have in the US and how they don’t routinely have mass shootings like we have. I’m certain they face mental health issues same as us, but their access to do mass harm is MUCH lower. My kids go to school without fear and flourish here, there’s something too that and I’m not sure why so many are resistant to change on this topic.


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[Solkern]

Kind of sad, you say you have kids and yet the guns is what has you worried. Not the mental health problems of kids that is leading to this sort of tragedy in the first place.

Obviously what we are doing and trying to solve the “mental health” problem isn’t working.
Finding a kid that is mentally ill, before he goes on a murdering rampage at a school, seems to be failing, and just not working. Don’t you think it’s time we try a different idea? You know, maybe banning assault rifles so the kid with a mental illness can’t take an AR-15 and kill a bunch of children, enforcing stricter gun control, or putting the parents at fault, and charging them with murder?

[Jeril]

Obviously what we are doing and trying to solve the “mental health” problem isn’t working.
Finding a kid that is mentally ill, before he goes on a murdering rampage at a school, seems to be failing, and just not working. Don’t you think it’s time we try a different idea? You know, maybe banning assault rifles so the kid with a mental illness can’t take an AR-15 and kill a bunch of children, enforcing stricter gun control, or putting the parents at fault, and charging them with murder?

It's cute that you think people, especially democrats, are doing anything to really address the mental health problem.

[Realk]

not a single person, has addressed the beast as a whole blue /red or whatever. Negative breeds negative.. I'd say raising the gun to 21 would be part of a solution, but it's not cause you have to be 21 to buy alcohol... and not a single person can say they didnt drink before then. Listening rather than hearing young people fixes some. what i don't like is the idea of trying things out randomly like the future are gerbils. Teach and comfort not fix everything cause it's not the way you learned.

[Orthin]

Gunvergence 2.0 will try to nerf rapid fire.

[kutter]

not a single person, has addressed the beast as a whole blue /red or whatever. Negative breeds negative.. I'd say raising the gun to 21 would be part of a solution, but it's not cause you have to be 21 to buy alcohol... and not a single person can say they didnt drink before then. Listening rather than hearing young people fixes some. what i don't like is the idea of trying things out randomly like the future are gerbils. Teach and comfort not fix everything cause it's not the way you learned.

If they want to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 21, ok, we can have that discussion, and while we are at it, lets talk about raising the voting age to 21 as well. I would be ok with both of those with exceptions for the members of the military. This will be hugely controversial of course and the left will gnash their teeth and scream, but there is give and take in everything.

[Realk]

If they want to raise the age to purchase a firearm to 21, ok, we can have that discussion, and while we are at it, lets talk about raising the voting age to 21 as well. I would be ok with both of those with exceptions for the members of the military. This will be hugely controversial of course and the left will gnash their teeth and scream, but there is give and take in everything.

I'm 100% on board with that as a decision for law. there is a lot of growing up that happens between 18-21 ... the rest of it leave alone. If children are taught young that guns are tools to do work.. rather than tools for harm then there is none of this crap.

[Orthin]

I'm 100% on board with that as a decision for law. there is a lot of growing up that happens between 18-21 ... the rest of it leave alone. If children are taught young that guns are tools to do work.. rather than tools for harm then there is none of this crap.

This is reasonable. Federal law could move the purchase age to 21 but still give states lee-way for laws related to usage much like they do with alcohol. That way if someone still wants to take their children hunting there are no prohibitions if the parent owns the firearms it just slows the under 21 from physically owning their own gun.

[Methais]

What a pity you reference such a funny movie to make a dumb ass meme. I take it you're surprised whenever people break the law go to jail? SP implying he'd shoot anyone in the face who tried to enforce laws is pretty on point for the Path Keepers

If he uses an AR-15, he'll be able to overwhelm the entire police department that's at his door though, right?

[Suppressed Poet]

A violation of natural law by the Nazi's has absolutely no relevance whatsoever so gun control in the nation with the highest number of gun deaths per year.

It’s funny you say that as the 2nd amendment and right to bear arms is in fact natural law. Our government doesn’t grant us such a right, but rather recognizes it as God-given (ie natural).

[Solkern]

It's cute that you think people, especially democrats, are doing anything to really address the mental health problem.

No one is doing anything, that doesn’t change the fact that the republicans have been screaming for as long as I can remember that it’s a mental health issue, and they’ve done nothing.

Charge the parents with murder, do something… but arming teachers isn’t the answer.

[~Rocktar~]

Obviously what we are doing and trying to solve the “mental health” problem isn’t working.
Finding a kid that is mentally ill, before he goes on a murdering rampage at a school, seems to be failing, and just not working. Don’t you think it’s time we try a different idea? You know, maybe banning assault rifles so the kid with a mental illness can’t take an AR-15 and kill a bunch of children, enforcing stricter gun control, or putting the parents at fault, and charging them with murder?

People say mean things on the internet, maybe we should just ban words so no one can say mean things?

Maybe if all the consolers, police, teachers and others who interacted with this psychotic whackjob had done their job when he committed self harm, got into fights and so on, the laws already on the books would have worked. But just like Sandy Hook, the government employees fucked off doing their job, didn't follow the rules and laws and he went off. Yet we are SOMEHOW supposed to give the government even MORE power by giving up our guns and trust they will protect us? What the FUCK are you smoking because it is some good shit and you are right fucked in the head. Do you even think this shit through or do you follow thorough the usual mass media Leftist programming?

The Left is hysterical, I would laugh if it wasn't for how dangerous the mush headed policies are. Abortion, "The government doesn't have the right to tell me what to do." Drugs, "What I do is my business." Free Speech, "The government needs to ban hate speech of people that I don't like." Guns, "The government needs to ban guns."

The cognitive dissonance must be close to sympathetic harmonics making your skull explode.

In short:

https://cdnmetv.metv.com/z50xp-1619719725-16226-list_items-no.jpg

[~Rocktar~]

not a single person, has addressed the beast as a whole blue /red or whatever. Negative breeds negative.. I'd say raising the gun to 21 would be part of a solution, but it's not cause you have to be 21 to buy alcohol... and not a single person can say they didnt drink before then. Listening rather than hearing young people fixes some. what i don't like is the idea of trying things out randomly like the future are gerbils. Teach and comfort not fix everything cause it's not the way you learned.

If you can go off to war to fight and die for your country, you can sign a contract, be executed and VOTE, then you should be able to buy a gun. Especially since it is a right given by the divine for defense and enumerated in our very founding document. Voting is an act of violence, it is enforcing the will of the majority, for right or wrong, on others. Want to raise everything to 21, then maybe but then again, that's bullshit too because then you disenfranchise even more responsible people.

[Methais]

No one is doing anything, that doesn’t change the fact that the republicans have been screaming for as long as I can remember that it’s a mental health issue, and they’ve done nothing.

Charge the parents with murder, do something… but arming teachers isn’t the answer.

Perhaps in this specific shooting, the cops who literally did nothing, even moreso the ones who ran inside to get their own kids out and then sat outside doing nothing other than restraining parents who were trying to go in and help, should be looked at.

This whole thing sounds like there were multiple opportunities for multiple people to prevent the whole thing, except for maybe grandma getting shot in the face, from happening. And then people act surprised when conspiracy theories start flying around everywhere.

[Seran]

If he uses an AR-15, he'll be able to overwhelm the entire police department that's at his door though, right?

Kind of sad you refer to the mass murder of so many elementary children so innocently, maybe it's a little too soon to so flippantly remark about how cowardly the Uvalde police acted when they WERE outmatched by a teenager with an AR-15

[Seran]

If the so called Gunshine state has a practical law removing weapons from the hands of at risk individuals, then surely Republicans in Congress can get off their asses and do something.


Florida's red flag law, championed by Republicans, is taking guns from thousands of people

Twice a week from her courtroom, Florida 13th Circuit Court Judge Denise Pomponio decides who in Hillsborough County can no longer be trusted with a gun.

In just the last two months, she has taken away the firearm privileges of dozens of people, including a dad accused of threatening to "shoot everyone" at his son's school, a woman who police say attempted suicide and then accidentally shot her boyfriend during a struggle for her revolver, a husband who allegedly fired multiple rounds in the street to "blow off steam" after losing a family member, a bullied 13-year-old witnesses overheard saying, "If all of 8th grade is missing tomorrow you will know why," and a mother arrested for brandishing a handgun at another mom after a school bus incident between their daughters.
This is Florida's "red flag" law in action. Passed in the wake of the horrific 2018 mass shooting at a Parkland high school, the state law provides police a path to ask a judge to temporarily bar dangerous individuals from possessing or purchasing a firearm. Since its creation, Florida judges have acted more than 8,000 times to keep guns out of the hands of people authorities deemed a risk to themselves or others, according to data maintained by the Office of the State Courts Administrator.

https://www.cnn.com/2022/06/01/politics/florida-red-flag-law/index.html

[Methais]

Kind of sad you refer to the mass murder of so many elementary children so innocently, maybe it's a little too soon to so flippantly remark about how cowardly the Uvalde police acted when they WERE outmatched by a teenager with an AR-15

Shut the fuck up retard. I literally used your own words and logic. You're the one who's saying that AR-15s are so powerful that one person with an AR-15 overwhelmed an entire armed police department, not me.

Of course, then you also implied a half hour before that, that using an AR-15 to defend your home would be useless. And you wonder why literally nobody here takes you seriously about anything and 100% of everybody here, including other democrats, think you're a colossal idiot.

The cops were not outmatched, holy fuck you're stupid. The cops were chicken shit as fuck, yes. Outmatched? No. Multiple people with guns > one person with a gun. Being chicken shit isn't the same as being outmatched and you're even dumber than I thought if you think a bunch of dudes with guns would get mopped by one dude with a gun.

Perhaps you could use that same Soyran logic to explain how that one border patrol agent managed to kill the shooter and not get annihilated. Except you won't, because you're too stupid and full of shit.

Here are your own words again:


Fuckin idiots think a three foot rifle with massive over-penetration is going to save your family from a home invasion.



The fact he had an AR-15 overwhelmed the capabilities of the local police, and he murdered children.


Dumbass. Are you really this fucking stupid or are you just that monumentally full of shit?



Related:

https://i.imgur.com/tYIsxnZ.png



Seran: tHeY wErE unDeRgEaReD!!!!

[~Rocktar~]

Kind of sad you refer to the mass murder of so many elementary children so innocently, maybe it's a little too soon to so flippantly remark about how cowardly the Uvalde police acted when they WERE outmatched by a teenager with an AR-15

Yeah, so overwhelmed that a guy with an AR-15 started shooting at a crowd and a single woman with her pistol killed him before he could injure or kill anyone. Yep, they were overwhelmed allright, with cowardice and lack of leadership under fire.

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/6JBGd1Z.png

Look at Soyran being a bigoted homophobe again.

lol @ your grey rep

[Parkbandit]

Look at Soyran being a bigoted homophobe again.

lol @ your grey rep

Liberals making homosexuality a slur is hilarious. Only thing funnier is a gay liberal doing it.

[Seran]

9922

Here's how we end gun violence in schools within Conservative states.

[Gelston]

9922

Here's how we end gun violence in schools within Conservative states.

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/52049648/is-this-a-picture-for-ants-.jpg

[Suppressed Poet]

https://pics.me.me/if-youre-anti-gun-you-dont-get-to-celebrate-the-59749267.png

[Seran]

https://pics.me.me/if-youre-anti-gun-you-dont-get-to-celebrate-the-59749267.png

Probably one of the most poignant examples of Conservative stupidity. People don't want assault rifles or other high capacity armaments in the hands of crazy civilians. That doesn't mean they don't support law enforcement or the military.

In reality, it's these same crazy Conservative wackadoos who go against law enforcement trying to defend their right to be inbred, grenade launcher wielding, born again elk hunters.

[Gelston]

Probably one of the most poignant examples of Conservative stupidity. People don't want assault rifles or other high capacity armaments in the hands of crazy civilians. That doesn't mean they don't support law enforcement or the military.

In reality, it's these same crazy Conservative wackadoos who go against law enforcement trying to defend their right to be inbred, grenade launcher wielding, born again elk hunters.

Luckily, you can't go out and legally buy a new assault rifle.

[Parkbandit]

Probably one of the most poignant examples of Conservative stupidity. People don't want assault rifles or other high capacity armaments in the hands of crazy civilians. That doesn't mean they don't support law enforcement or the military.

In reality, it's these same crazy Conservative wackadoos who go against law enforcement trying to defend their right to be inbred, grenade launcher wielding, born again elk hunters.

What about 9mm handguns? Sleepy Joe Biden wants to ban those... or any other "high caliber" gun.

It's not just "assault weapons"... it's not just "high capacity 'armaments'(whatever you mean by this..)", it's never going to be enough. The liberal left wants to literally ban guns from law abiding citizens.

If you want to ban guns, do it through a Constitutional amendment.

[Methais]

https://memegenerator.net/img/instances/52049648/is-this-a-picture-for-ants-.jpg

Soyran doesn't know how to use [ img ] tags because he's too stupid.

This is how Seran thinks...

https://i.imgur.com/rTST45D.png

....although it's technically correct, because when the deer runs away after being shot and you never see it again, you won't get to eat it. Which is why people don't hunt deer with AR-15s. Right Soyran?


9922

Here's how we end gun violence in schools within Conservative states.

https://i.imgur.com/auNnEsk.gif

[Gelston]

Soyran doesn't know how to use [ img ] tags because he's too stupid.

This is how Seran thinks...

https://i.imgur.com/rTST45D.png

....although it's technically correct, because when the deer runs away after being shot and you never see it again, you won't get to eat it. Which is why people don't hunt deer with AR-15s. Right Soyran?



https://i.imgur.com/auNnEsk.gif

It isn't even legal to hunt with .223 in some states, because it is too weak.

[beldannon5]

Thanks Biden for my gas going up again. 48 cents in the last month or two.

[~Rocktar~]

Thanks Biden for my gas going up again. 48 cents in the last month or two.

Yep, up over 4 bucks here in Georgia, was 3.38 about a month and a half ago.

[Gelston]

I haven’t bought gas in a month. PHEVs ftw.

[Seran]

New shootings in Texas, where an escaped convict killed five and had a shootout with police with an AR-15. Imagine guns so plentiful that the first house the guy broke into had an unsecured mass casualty weapon.

Additional mass shootings in Iowa and Oklahoma as well, all red states.

Maybe Republicans need to stop empowering murderers.

[Methais]

https://i.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/newsfeed/001/509/171/7d0.gif

This is correct.

[Gelston]

New shootings in Texas, where an escaped convict killed five and had a shootout with police with an AR-15. Imagine guns so plentiful that the first house the guy broke into had an unsecured mass casualty weapon.

Additional mass shootings in Iowa and Oklahoma as well, all red states.

Maybe Republicans need to stop empowering murderers.

And Chicago had over 50 people shot on memorial day weekend. stfu.

[Seran]

And Chicago had over 50 people shot on memorial day weekend. stfu.

Highlighting even more the need for gun control and effective policing nationwide.

[Gelston]

Highlighting even more the need for gun control and effective policing nationwide.

Chicago is full of gun control. Not working is it?

[Methais]

And Chicago had over 50 people shot on memorial day weekend. stfu.

Soyran isn't concerned with black people shooting each other.



Highlighting even more the need for gun control and effective policing nationwide.

Chicago has some of the if not the strictest gun control laws in the country.

If anything it highlights the fact that criminals don't give a fuck what the law says.

Stop being a brain dead NPC.

But first, I have a question. What is abstinence, and how are republicans trying to block it?

[Neveragain]

New shootings in Texas, where an escaped convict killed five and had a shootout with police with an AR-15. Imagine guns so plentiful that the first house the guy broke into had an unsecured mass casualty weapon.

Additional mass shootings in Iowa and Oklahoma as well, all red states.

Maybe Republicans need to stop empowering murderers.


first house the guy broke into had an unsecured mass casualty weapon.

https://c.tenor.com/TD_mbIXzI4sAAAAC/anchorman-ronburgundy.gif


Additional mass shootings in Iowa


2 women are killed at a church in Iowa


The Congressional Research Service defines mass shootings, as multiple, firearm, homicide incidents, involving 4 or more victims

So not a mass shooting?

The guy had just been charged with 3rd degree harassment and impersonation of a public official. Posted bail.

I'm confused, weren't Democrats pushing for ending cash bail because it's racist? Sounds like we need to make it more difficult to post bail.

[Parkbandit]

Highlighting even more the need for gun control and effective policing nationwide.

What gun control measures do you believe will reduce the violence in Chicago.

Be specific.

[Methais]

https://c.tenor.com/TD_mbIXzI4sAAAAC/anchorman-ronburgundy.gif

100% chance he heard someone in the media use that term within the past 24 hours.

[Seran]

https://c.tenor.com/TD_mbIXzI4sAAAAC/anchorman-ronburgundy.gif







So not a mass shooting?

The guy had just been charged with 3rd degree harassment and impersonation of a public official. Posted bail.

I'm confused, weren't Democrats pushing for ending cash bail because it's racist? Sounds like we need to make it more difficult to post bail.

What a stupid misinterpretation of a written subject, please repeat middle school and learn how to read properly.

[Parkbandit]

What a stupid misinterpretation of a written subject, please repeat middle school and learn how to read properly.

Bro.... like just pretend you have SOME self awareness.

You are the Retard Champion of the forum... You literally said that Republicans are "blocking abstinence"..

[Neveragain]

What a stupid misinterpretation of a written subject, please repeat middle school and learn how to read properly.

I perfectly interpreted what you wrote. Quit writing shit that doesn't make sense.

[Neveragain]

This shooting was less than 8 miles away from me and still has zero sway on my support of gun ownership.

The guy was literally released the same day as being busted for harassing this woman and impersonating a police officer.

[Methais]

Bro.... like just pretend you have SOME self awareness.

You are the Retard Champion of the forum... You literally said that Republicans are "blocking abstinence"..

The silver lining with that is if you want Seran to shut the fuck up immediately, just ask him what abstinence is and how republicans are trying to block it.

He shuts the fuck up instantly every time.

[~Rocktar~]

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[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Why is violence so increased with the great unifier, Biden, as President?

Oh wait, it's because he's a divisive racist bigot prick. I forgot.

[Orthin]

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I don’t think it’s as simple as that just like I don’t think it’s as simple as saying shootings happening in red state locations is because of loose gun laws. It’s much bigger than those simple statistics.

Gun control will never work, there needs to be a deeper dive in to education of gun safety, accountability and realistic alternatives like raising purchase age etc. even those steps will take a generation to really see any change. I think everyone’s problem is they need something immediate and that is unrealistic so as a result everyone is just sniping at one another and productivity to solutions/alternatives is in the shitter.

[Orthin]

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I don’t think it’s as simple as that just like I don’t think it’s as simple as saying shootings happening in red state locations is because of loose gun laws. It’s much bigger than those simple statistics.

Gun control will never work, there needs to be a deeper dive in to education of gun safety, accountability and realistic alternatives like raising purchase age etc. even those steps will take a generation to really see any change. I think everyone’s problem is they need something immediate and that is unrealistic so as a result everyone is just sniping at one another and productivity to solutions/alternatives is in the shitter.

[Orthin]

Also and I think this would get whole heartedly shot down (no pun intended) but I think schools should have some form of education and understanding about guns. Teaching about gun safety basics and instilling a responsibility at a young age about these things. Part of the issue is some folks find them so taboo but it’s so engrained in our history and society that we should know about it commonly. With understanding and responsibility comes respect at least IMO

[Parkbandit]

I don’t think it’s as simple as that just like I don’t think it’s as simple as saying shootings happening in red state locations is because of loose gun laws. It’s much bigger than those simple statistics.

Don't know the actual numbers, but those 5 cities have been controlled by liberals for decades.. 5 of the most dangerous cities in the US with the most gun violence, despite some of the most strict gun control laws on the books.

Gun control obviously isn't the answer since most of the perps won't follow laws anyway.

[drumpel]

Also and I think this would get whole heartedly shot down (no pun intended) but I think schools should have some form of education and understanding about guns. Teaching about gun safety basics and instilling a responsibility at a young age about these things. Part of the issue is some folks find them so taboo but it’s so engrained in our history and society that we should know about it commonly. With understanding and responsibility comes respect at least IMO

My dad taught me how to shoot and hunt and handle a gun when I was 7. When I had to go through hunter's safety course when I was 14 so I could qualify for a deer hunting license I was bored out of my mind because I knew all the stuff they were teaching kids taking the class. There were around 3 dozen kids in the hunter safety class, all of them carrying rifles or shotguns, had live ammo on them and so on....could you imaging the crying you'd get from some parents if a class like that was offered at a public school.

https://c.tenor.com/Z_Eb_gATTkQAAAAd/wont-somebody-please-think-of-the-children-think-of-the-children.gif

[~Rocktar~]

Gun safety isn't the issue. And yes, it really is that simple since about 80% or so of all gun crime in the US is gang related. Gangs are centered in the largest cities so targeting them would in fact reduce gun violence a lot. Raising the purchase age is just another infringement on citizens rights that won't do shit for problem just like it has done nothing with drunk driving and so on. The biggest decrease in drunk driving deaths has been due to increased safety features in cars and improved emergency medicine.

[SHAFT]

Don't know the actual numbers, but those 5 cities have been controlled by liberals for decades.. 5 of the most dangerous cities in the US with the most gun violence, despite some of the most strict gun control laws on the books.

Gun control obviously isn't the answer since most of the perps won't follow laws anyway.

Australia, Japan, Canada, England etc have gun control. They do not have mass shootings.

It’s really quite simple unless you do not want to give up guns or make it harder to acquire a gun.

Anyone who says this shooting epidemic we have in the US can’t be fixed through gun control has an agenda or is an idiot/lazy.

[Parkbandit]

Australia, Japan, Canada, England etc have gun control. They do not have mass shootings.

It’s really quite simple unless you do not want to give up guns or make it harder to acquire a gun.

Anyone who says this shooting epidemic we have in the US can’t be fixed through gun control has an agenda or is an idiot/lazy.

Australia, Japan, Canada, England, etc.. don't have the 2nd Amendment that protects it's citizen's right to bear arms. They also don't have 400 million guns in the hands of civilians either.

Anyone who says this shooting epidemic we have in the US can be fixed through gun control is an idiot.

[~Rocktar~]

Australia, Japan, Canada, England etc have gun control. They do not have mass shootings.

It’s really quite simple unless you do not want to give up guns or make it harder to acquire a gun.

Anyone who says this shooting epidemic we have in the US can’t be fixed through gun control has an agenda or is an idiot/lazy.

They do have mass shootings, mass stabbings, mass killings with a truck, poison gas (sarin) attacks, bombs and so on. Keep believing the myth.

If you live in a country with gun control and your crime rate is no better than the rest of the world, then you can shut the fuck up.

[SHAFT]

Australia, Japan, Canada, England, etc.. don't have the 2nd Amendment that protects it's citizen's right to bear arms. They also don't have 400 million guns in the hands of civilians either.

Anyone who says this shooting epidemic we have in the US can be fixed through gun control is an idiot.

The Uvalde shooter bought his guns that week. The Tulsa shooter bought his gun that same day. How about we start with that? Getting a gun should be harder than buying a house, in terms of the process.

Strong chance that if both of those shooters weren't able to buy their weapons that quickly they don't commit those crimes.

See? Don't be so lazy. Or perhaps you endorse mass murder like most Republicans?

[Menos]

Odd, why not include France, Norway and India. They all have tougher firearms laws and those will prevent mass shootings, its the primary factor involved after all.

Paris attacks of 2015 kills 130 (https://www.britannica.com/event/Paris-attacks-of-2015)

2011 Norway attacks kill 77 at summer camp (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2011_Norway_attacks)

Mumbai attack kill 164 (https://www.cnn.com/2013/09/18/world/asia/mumbai-terror-attacks/index.html)

What about some of the other big western hemisphere countries like Mexico and Brazil? After all, both countries have strong firearms restrictions. Both are much closer to the USA in terms of size than Canida. Surely they must be bastions of safety.

Murder rate by country in 2018 (https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/murder-rate-by-country)

USA 4.96/100k, Mexico 29.07/100k, Brazil 27.38/100k

Mexican drug war kills 115,000 people 2007-2018 (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mexican_drug_war)

Brazil has the most intentional killings of any country (2018) (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_intentional_homicide_rate)

Of course, both Mexico and Brazil have social and economic causes driving much of those homicides, just like how US cities have high gang activity and high murder rates.

Let us also not forget that the US has about 3 times the number of car fatalities than it does murders each year. Plenty of those accidents involve multiple people being killed, and they need not be accidents (Mass vehicular homicides in Nice (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2016_Nice_truck_attack), London (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2017_London_Bridge_attack), the US (https://apnews.com/article/suv-plows-into-parade-waukesha-wisconsin-injured-f8c6a9dcd420bc1f1a732afc7b10943a)). If it is appropriate to remove the rights of innocents to avoid death, shouldn't this be a lower hanging fruit? I mean, sure firearm murders are intentional, but that just means they might seek other methods such as bombs (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oklahoma_City_bombing), fires (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-japan-fire/appalling-arson-attack-on-japanese-animation-studio-kills-at-least-33-idUSKCN1UD0AT), or vehicles (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/September_11_attacks). Every car owner is a potential hazard, even if they don't want to hurt someone. It is obvious, unless you simply don't want to give up your car.


Australia, Japan, Canada, England etc have gun control. They do not have mass shootings.

It’s really quite simple unless you do not want to give up guns or make it harder to acquire a gun.

Anyone who says this shooting epidemic we have in the US can’t be fixed through gun control has an agenda or is an idiot/lazy.

[Menos]

The Uvalde shooter bought his guns that week. The Tulsa shooter bought his gun that same day. How about we start with that? Getting a gun should be harder than buying a house, in terms of the process.

Strong chance that if both of those shooters weren't able to buy their weapons that quickly they don't commit those crimes.

See? Don't be so lazy. Or perhaps you endorse mass murder like most Republicans?

Already dropping into the blood libel territory, eh? A sure sign you have strong reasoned arguments.

[Tgo01]

The Uvalde shooter bought his guns that week. The Tulsa shooter bought his gun that same day. How about we start with that? Getting a gun should be harder than buying a house, in terms of the process.

Strong chance that if both of those shooters weren't able to buy their weapons that quickly they don't commit those crimes.

See? Don't be so lazy. Or perhaps you endorse mass murder like most Republicans?

So basically just keep focusing on one aspect of each shooter until guns are completely illegal huh?

These shootings happened too soon after they bought their guns? Waiting period!

Next shooting was committed by someone aged 24, let's up the age to buy a bun to 36!

Next shooting was committed by someone diagnosed with depression, let's ban people diagnosed with depression from owning a gun!

Next shooting was committed with a handgun, let's ban all handguns!

Next shooting was committed with a rifle, let's ban all rifles!

Why can't weasels like you just be honest and say you want to ban all guns? At least attempt to have an honest discussion.

[SHAFT]

Already dropping into the blood libel territory, eh? A sure sign you have strong reasoned arguments.

If you're not willing to change the current system you're endorsing the current system. The current system allows for mass murder by AR15 at a moments notice.

So yeah, if Republicans refuse to pass laws attempting to curb gun deaths, they're endorsing gun deaths.

May be tough to hear but its 100% true.

[Tgo01]

So yeah, if Republicans refuse to pass laws attempting to curb gun deaths, they're endorsing gun deaths.

Democrats refuse to pass any laws to make schools safer. So what you're saying is Democrats want little kids to continue being murdered in schools so they can pass their gun control legislation.

Ohio just passed a law that allows teachers and other school staff to be armed after they complete a training course. Why are Democrats against this?

[Menos]

If you're not willing to change the current system you're endorsing the current system. The current system allows for mass murder by AR15 at a moments notice.

So yeah, if Republicans refuse to pass laws attempting to curb gun deaths, they're endorsing gun deaths.

May be tough to hear but its 100% true.

You might want to read this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_dilemma) and this (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Affirmative_conclusion_from_a_negative_premise).

[Neveragain]

If you're not willing to change the current system you're endorsing the current system. The current system allows for mass murder by AR15 at a moments notice.

So yeah, if Republicans refuse to pass laws attempting to curb gun deaths, they're endorsing gun deaths.

May be tough to hear but its 100% true.

I personally blame sporks for Americas weight problem.

[Menos]

It might be worth expanding on that last post.

You make the assumption more gun laws would reduce gun deaths. I disagree with this, but admit it is difficult to empirically test (More on this later). There are problems in the possible observational studies that use different countries, look between different regions of the US, or within the same region at different time points. I find some of the comparisons more compelling than others, but they also tend to support my general views so I am likely being effected at least in part by my own bias. Never the less, because you are assuming this premise without a constant theory that deals with the counter examples, you introduce flaws into your arguments.

You also falsely assume people not agreeing with your proposed changes are pro-current laws. People may be in support of different laws, the removal of current laws, or changes to those laws. Gun laws are changing all the time, they are just generally going in the direction you do not support (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/05/us/permitless-carry-laws-advance-in-states/index.html). Moreover, murder and violent crime rates have been decreasing over the last 20 years which coincided with the massive liberalization of firearms laws in the US. This is the opposite of what your logic would predict. Of course there are other factors besides gun laws in the murder rate, but that only points towards the absurdity of accusing those who don't agree with your proposed laws as being against the goal. I am quite sure I have heard many a republican opine in the last week about the need for other solutions they consider to be more appropriate to the problem.

You also draw a false equivalence that the republican position is an endorsement of gun deaths. This is no different than someone arguing that opposing a 5mph speed limit and stopping for 30 seconds at every stop light is endorsing 50,000 car deaths per year. While such laws would reduce the number of people killed by cars, people can oppose those laws for reasons totally unrelated to the number of car related fatalities.

While I support your desire to reduce these horrible incidents, you should understand that making fallacious arguments and accusing half the people of being pro-child murder is not going to sway very many people to your side, you lose out on both the logical and the emotional reactions that way.

[Suppressed Poet]

If you're not willing to change the current system you're endorsing the current system. The current system allows for mass murder by AR15 at a moments notice.

So yeah, if Republicans refuse to pass laws attempting to curb gun deaths, they're endorsing gun deaths.

May be tough to hear but its 100% true.

Shaft despite any political differences we may have, I enjoy chatting with you on the PC and playing GSIV together back in the day.

I enjoy my firearms including AR-15s. I’m as responsible and law abiding as they come, and there are many more like me. Everyone is upset with Uvalde and wants to stop such senseless acts of violence. The answer, however, is not restricting the freedoms of good natured normal people. I too want to keep them out of the hands of sick minded effs like that shooter and the rest, but I will not trade tyranny in the name of security. Also gun control like “assault weapons ban” doesn’t stop these things. Let’s find a way together to get good legislation to protect our citizens without trampling on their rights.

[SHAFT]

Shaft despite any political differences we may have, I enjoy chatting with you on the PC and playing GSIV together back in the day.

I enjoy my firearms including AR-15s. I’m as responsible and law abiding as they come, and there are many more like me. Everyone is upset with Uvalde and wants to stop such senseless acts of violence. The answer, however, is not restricting the freedoms of good natured normal people. I too want to keep them out of the hands of sick minded effs like that shooter and the rest, but I will not trade tyranny in the name of security. Also gun control like “assault weapons ban” doesn’t stop these things. Let’s find a way together to get good legislation to protect our citizens without trampling on their rights.

Banning AR15’s and other similar rifles absolutely save lives. Give the uvalde shooter only a Glock instead of an AR15 and not as many people die.

Restrict the ability to get guns that quickly and you’ll absolutely save lives.

Reducing gun deaths to zero with one or two laws is impossible. Reducing the number killed in these moss shootings is achievable, however. Gotta start somewhere, though. To throw our hands up and shrug, which is what conservatives tend to do, is the definition of insanity.

[SHAFT]

Also, when police show up to a shooting and they’re outgunned because the shooter has an AR15 and cops only have pistols or shotguns, that’s an issue. The Uvalde cops were terrified. Prime reason to ban AR15’s.

Do a buyback on AR15’s for 1.5x cash or you can donate to your local police department. Give people a period of 3 months to get rid of their AR15 or it’s 20 years in prison if caught with one.

[~Rocktar~]

Banning AR15’s and other similar rifles absolutely save lives. Give the uvalde shooter only a Glock instead of an AR15 and not as many people die.

Restrict the ability to get guns that quickly and you’ll absolutely save lives.

Reducing gun deaths to zero with one or two laws is impossible. Reducing the number killed in these moss shootings is achievable, however. Gotta start somewhere, though. To throw our hands up and shrug, which is what conservatives tend to do, is the definition of insanity.

No.

And yet, we factually KNOW what works but you and others won't do that part over the theory that a ban will work.

[Suppressed Poet]

Banning AR15’s and other similar rifles absolutely save lives. Give the uvalde shooter only a Glock instead of an AR15 and not as many people die.

Restrict the ability to get guns that quickly and you’ll absolutely save lives.

Reducing gun deaths to zero with one or two laws is impossible. Reducing the number killed in these moss shootings is achievable, however. Gotta start somewhere, though. To throw our hands up and shrug, which is what conservatives tend to do, is the definition of insanity.

A sick minded man hell bent on killing little children won’t be stopped by AR-15s bans or whatever you are suggesting in that regard. We need to address the problem of people and not the symptom of guns. I am not your enemy and implore you not to make me one. Don’t make 100+ Americans into criminals simply due to the firearms they own. We are your brothers and sisters.

Our focus should be to keep sick people like the Uvalde shooter away from our schools / children and do everything to protect innocent lives *without* trampling on constitutional rights.

[SHAFT]

A sick minded man hell bent on killing little children won’t be stopped by AR-15s bans or whatever you are suggesting in that regard. We need to address the problem of people and not the symptom of guns. I am not your enemy and implore you not to make me one. Don’t make 100+ Americans into criminals simply due to the firearms they own. We are your brothers and sisters.

Our focus should be to keep sick people like the Uvalde shooter away from our schools / children and do everything to protect innocent lives *without* trampling on constitutional rights.

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

[SHAFT]

A sick minded man hell bent on killing little children won’t be stopped by AR-15s bans or whatever you are suggesting in that regard. We need to address the problem of people and not the symptom of guns. I am not your enemy and implore you not to make me one. Don’t make 100+ Americans into criminals simply due to the firearms they own. We are your brothers and sisters.

Our focus should be to keep sick people like the Uvalde shooter away from our schools / children and do everything to protect innocent lives *without* trampling on constitutional rights.

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

[Menos]

Banning AR15’s and other similar rifles absolutely save lives. Give the uvalde shooter only a Glock instead of an AR15 and not as many people die.

The shooting at Virginia Tech involved a glock and a .22 pistol, 32 people killed. Police arrived in 3 minutes and reached the room he was in within 5 more minutes. In Uvalde the police arrived in 5 minutes and did not confront the shooter for an additional 75 more minutes, 21 innocent people were killed. Explain how this conforms to your supposition. The VT shooter had less time, the "less deadly" weapons and was confronting adults who are more capable of defending themselves or running than children. Even the most reductive argument of ".223 does more damage to the body than 9mm" is rendered meaningless when offices wait over an hour to confront the shooter. If anything the "do nothing" suggestions of conservatives relating to mental health laws and police response are vastly more appropriate in this particular incident than your suggestions.

Maybe you do not intend to argue one incident, but in general. So, now explain how the Nice truck attack and Japanese animation studio attack I linked earlier were both more deadly without any firearms. It's almost as if people can do evil things and restricting one tool only results in them doing something else evil.


Reducing gun deaths to zero with one or two laws is impossible. Reducing the number killed in these moss shootings is achievable, however. Gotta start somewhere, though. To throw our hands up and shrug, which is what conservatives tend to do, is the definition of insanity.

And the firearms laws of Brazil and Mexico have succeeded in the same way you say these new American laws would?

[Menos]

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

I also find it interesting that you phrase it as gun deaths. Why not murders, since your arguments are that fewer people would be killed, shouldn't you frame your arguments and data in total murders? I assume you consider it just as bad if they die by non-firearms related means.

Also, if limiting all roadways to 5 mph would reduce car deaths by 25%, would you support such a law and say all opposed are promoting vehicular deaths?

[Tgo01]

Also, if limiting all roadways to 5 mph would reduce car deaths by 25%, would you support such a law and say all opposed are promoting vehicular deaths?

Of course not, that would actually inconvenience him. He's all about helping people as long as it doesn't affect his life too much.

[Suppressed Poet]

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

There is absolutely no way that me and people like me giving up AR-15s would lower gun deaths by 25%. That being said, my answer is that no I would not be willing to do that.

If martial law was called upon and you were ordered by the federal government to remain in your home until they said otherwise, and in doing so it would reduce Covid 19 deaths in this country by 25%…would you be willing to do that?

[Menos]

Seeing as I am a pretty conservative fellow, Maybe I should consider what I can do to reduce deaths in the event of a terroristic attack. I carry a gun where I am able and go to the range once a month to practice with it. Most such attacks end when another person with a gun shows up. That is sometimes a passer-by, as happened only days after the Uvalde shooting. (https://wchstv.com/news/local/victim-hospitalized-in-charleston-shooting) But, lets set aside that possibility for now.

This is the bag I carry every day. See the little red thing on the side? That's a trauma kit designed to stop bleeding until help can arrive. Gone through the Red Cross first aid/CPR and Stop the Bleed courses to be sure I know how to do so effectively.

9925

Here is the larger version of the bag that goes in my car. Vehicular accidents are way higher on my likely encounters than mass shooter or other terrorist events. I am most likely to see one when driving; thus the car kit. I also keep one on my range bag, but that is less of an issue since they installed wall mounted ones behind each firing lane.

9924

What are you doing, besides calling people enablers of murder because they have different political views?

[SHAFT]

There is absolutely no way that me and people like me giving up AR-15s would lower gun deaths by 25%. That being said, my answer is that no I would not be willing to do that.

If martial law was called upon and you were ordered by the federal government to remain in your home until they said otherwise, and in doing so it would reduce Covid 19 deaths in this country by 25%…would you be willing to do that?

The entire world stayed indoors for 2.5 years. Everything was closed, remember? So yeah, staying in was pretty easy.

I don’t own a gun because I have no need for one. Zero interest in a gun. I like the fact I have the right to have one and I appreciate that, but AR15’s shouldn’t be in the hands of regular citizens. Anyone who believes they need an AR15 or it’s necessary for whatever the fuck is the delusional.

Also, the 2nd amendment needs to be amended. Nothing well regulated about the current situation.

[SHAFT]

Seeing as I am a pretty conservative fellow, Maybe I should consider what I can do to reduce deaths in the event of a terroristic attack. I carry a gun where I am able and go to the range once a month to practice with it. Most such attacks end when another person with a gun shows up. That is sometimes a passer-by, as happened only days after the Uvalde shooting. (https://wchstv.com/news/local/victim-hospitalized-in-charleston-shooting) But, lets set aside that possibility for now.

This is the bag I carry every day. See the little red thing on the side? That's a trauma kit designed to stop bleeding until help can arrive. Gone through the Red Cross first aid/CPR and Stop the Bleed courses to be sure I know how to do so effectively.

9925

Here is the larger version of the bag that goes in my car. Vehicular accidents are way higher on my likely encounters than mass shooter or other terrorist events. I am most likely to see one when driving; thus the car kit. I also keep one on my range bag, but that is less of an issue since they installed wall mounted ones behind each firing lane.

9924

What are you doing, besides calling people enablers of murder because they have different political views?

I’m not worried about you shooting up a school with my kid in it. I’m worried about a mentally unstable individual walking into gun store, buying an AR15, 1600+ rounds of ammo and that day shooting up my kids school.

What am I doing? Voting for politicians willing to change the current laws.

[Seran]

The entire world stayed indoors for 2.5 years. Everything was closed, remember? So yeah, staying in was pretty easy.

I don’t own a gun because I have no need for one. Zero interest in a gun. I like the fact I have the right to have one and I appreciate that, but AR15’s shouldn’t be in the hands of regular citizens. Anyone who believes they need an AR15 or it’s necessary for whatever the fuck is the delusional.

Also, the 2nd amendment needs to be amended. Nothing well regulated about the current situation.

Well said.

[Neveragain]

I don’t own a gun because I have no need for one. Zero interest in a gun. I like the fact I have the right to have one and I appreciate that, but AR15’s shouldn’t be in the hands of regular citizens. Anyone who believes they need an AR15 or it’s necessary for whatever the fuck is the delusional.

What about the AR-15 gives you this irrational fear, be specific?

[Seran]

The shooting at Virginia Tech involved a glock and a .22 pistol, 32 people killed. Police arrived in 3 minutes and reached the room he was in within 5 more minutes. In Uvalde the police arrived in 5 minutes and did not confront the shooter for an additional 75 more minutes, 21 innocent people were killed. Explain how this conforms to your supposition. The VT shooter had less time, the "less deadly" weapons and was confronting adults who are more capable of defending themselves or running than children. Even the most reductive argument of ".223 does more damage to the body than 9mm" is rendered meaningless when offices wait over an hour to confront the shooter. If anything the "do nothing" suggestions of conservatives relating to mental health laws and police response are vastly more appropriate in this particular incident than your suggestions.

Maybe you do not intend to argue one incident, but in general. So, now explain how the Nice truck attack and Japanese animation studio attack I linked earlier were both more deadly without any firearms. It's almost as if people can do evil things and restricting one tool only results in them doing something else evil.



And the firearms laws of Brazil and Mexico have succeeded in the same way you say these new American laws would?

"You can't ban AR-15 again, because these other semi automatics are just as deadly in certain circumstances." This is a very flimsy argument

[Neveragain]

"You can't ban AR-15 again, because these other semi automatics are just as deadly in certain circumstances." This is a very flimsy argument

Tell us how an object is not secured when you have to break in to access the object?

[Suppressed Poet]

The entire world stayed indoors for 2.5 years. Everything was closed, remember? So yeah, staying in was pretty easy.

I don’t own a gun because I have no need for one. Zero interest in a gun. I like the fact I have the right to have one and I appreciate that, but AR15’s shouldn’t be in the hands of regular citizens. Anyone who believes they need an AR15 or it’s necessary for whatever the fuck is the delusional.

Also, the 2nd amendment needs to be amended. Nothing well regulated about the current situation.

With all due respect Shaft, you really don’t know anything about AR-15s and thus have no idea its uses. As you said, you have zero interest and that’s totally ok. I however am very much into guns. I am a Texan and to put it in the best understanding I can while keeping it short as possible…guns are part of my religion.

There are an absolute plethora of reasons for regular citizens to own an AR-15. I think you are being quick to judge what you either fear and/or don’t understand.

There is a process for changing of removing a constitutional amendment, and you can support those politicians who wish to change it. As long as it stands though, it is the supreme law of the land. The preamble “well regulated militia” doesn’t mean what you think it does. Well regulated = an effective fighting force / well equipped. Militia = regular everyday people not in our armed services. I encourage you to research the subject

[SHAFT]

What about the AR-15 gives you this irrational fear, be specific?

It’s the chosen weapon for people who want to commit mass murders. It’s also more powerful than than anything a police officer would be showing up with.

In order to reduce murders by gun, a great place to start would be outlawing the AR15 and other similar type rifles.

Grenade control works. There’s a reason we don’t see mass murders from grenades. Outlaw the AR15 and you’ll see a reduction in murders.

[SHAFT]

With all due respect Shaft, you really don’t know anything about AR-15s and thus have no idea its uses. As you said, you have zero interest and that’s totally ok. I however al very much into guns. There are an absolute plethora of reasons for regular citizens to own an AR-15. I think you are being quick to judge what you either fear or don’t understand.

There is a process for changing of removing a constitutional amendment, and you can support those politicians who wish to change it. The preamble “well regulated militia” doesn’t mean what you think it does. Well regulated = an effective fighting force / well equipped. Militia = regular everyday people not in our armed services. I encourage you to research the subject

When the uvalde police showed up to that school they were afraid to go in because the shooter had an AR15. That isn’t the only mass shooting in the last 15+ years where the police were outgunned because the shooter or shooters had an AR15. That’s all I need to know.

Uvalde put to rest all the bullshit talking points conservatives have.

Anyone see the new Mercedes AMG One that was announced? Looks like a fun car and I’d love to drive one, but even if I could afford it won’t be street legal. Because it’s too dangerous.

Banning the AR15 and similar weapons is just the start. There are tons of things we can do to curb gun violence and still allow people to have guns in this country, but republicans won’t even agree on strict federal background checks.

[Neveragain]

It’s the chosen weapon for people who want to commit mass murders. It’s also more powerful than than anything a police officer would be showing up with.

In order to reduce murders by gun, a great place to start would be outlawing the AR15 and other similar type rifles.

Grenade control works. There’s a reason we don’t see mass murders from grenades. Outlaw the AR15 and you’ll see a reduction in murders.

Lot's of cops carry AR-15's.


Grenade control works.

https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/nashville-rv-explosion-file-ap-jef-210603_1622732406187_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg

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I think you may suffer from selective memory.

[SHAFT]

There is absolutely no way that me and people like me giving up AR-15s would lower gun deaths by 25%. That being said, my answer is that no I would not be willing to do that.

If martial law was called upon and you were ordered by the federal government to remain in your home until they said otherwise, and in doing so it would reduce Covid 19 deaths in this country by 25%…would you be willing to do that?

Actually, after banning weapons like the AR15 in 1994, deaths from gun massacres fell 47% over the next 10 years.

After the ban ended in 2004, deaths from guns massacres rose over 330% in the next 10 years.

[SHAFT]

Lot's of cops carry AR-15's.



https://s.abcnews.com/images/US/nashville-rv-explosion-file-ap-jef-210603_1622732406187_hpMain_16x9_992.jpg

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I think you may suffer from selective memory.

i ThInK yOu SuFfEr FrOm SeLeCtIvE mEmOrY

[Suppressed Poet]

Shaft let me give you just a sliver of an idea of the AR-15…. In my home it’s an excellent self defense tool that my wife and 18 year old daughter can use very effectively. A big disadvantage to say a Glock as you mentioned (or any common polymer-framed striker fired handgun) is that it requires considerable skill to operate effectively and be accurate with. The girls in my family are small statured, sensitive to recoil, and not a gun nut like I am. They don’t go to the range and have almost zero interest much like you.

I’ve taught both how to safely operate the controls of an AR, and they can shoot it very accurately. Under stress, neither would be able to use a handgun effectively and a shotgun has way too much recoil. AR-15s are lightweight, easy to use once you understand the controls, and with the right loads are very effective at stopping threats without over penetration. It shoots a glorified .22 (tiny bullet) that’s going very fast. Light 55 grain loads tend to yaw, tumble, and lose all its energy at the first barrier it comes in contact with. This is especially true with self defense hollow point and soft tip ammunition.

In short, it’s an excellent and possibly the best home defense weapon one can have. There is a good reason it’s the most popular semiautomatic rifle in America.

And that is only one possible legitimate civilian use in a plethora of them. They also make great sporting guns and varmint hunters. It is not a super weapon the media is telling you that it is, and the amount of US homicides caused by AR-15s is statistically insignificant in comparison to other tools & weapons.

[Suppressed Poet]

Actually, after banning weapons like the AR15 in 1994, deaths from gun massacres fell 47% over the next 10 years.

After the ban ended in 2004, deaths from guns massacres rose over 330% in the next 10 years.

Complete and utter nonsense. There are tons of studies of gun control, and most of them are complete BS that doesn’t hold up to scientific scrutiny.

Violent crime, including so called gun deaths, was on a steady decline through the 90s and all the way up to 2020. It’s been declining long after the assault weapon ban expired.

[Suppressed Poet]

When the uvalde police showed up to that school they were afraid to go in because the shooter had an AR15. That isn’t the only mass shooting in the last 15+ years where the police were outgunned because the shooter or shooters had an AR15. That’s all I need to know.

Is the problem that the shooter had an AR-15, or that the Uvalde police were complete cowards and incompetent? And ask yourself…if cops won’t protect you, than who will?

[Neveragain]

i ThInK yOu SuFfEr FrOm SeLeCtIvE mEmOrY

https://thumbs.gfycat.com/IllBlushingArchaeocete-size_restricted.gif

[SHAFT]

Complete and utter nonsense. There are tons of studies of gun control, and most of them are complete BS that doesn’t hold up to scientific scrutiny.

Violent crime, including so called gun deaths, was on a steady decline through the 90s and all the way up to 2020. It’s been declining long after the assault weapon ban expired.

Those are stats you can look up. Louis Klarevas did a study on it.

Countries like Australia, Japan, Canada etc have laid a blueprint on how to reduce murder by gun. Just need politicians to put the lives of the citizens first.

[Suppressed Poet]

Those are stats you can look up. Louis Klarevas did a study on it.

Countries like Australia, Japan, Canada etc have laid a blueprint on how to reduce murder by gun. Just need politicians to put the lives of the citizens first.


https://youtu.be/PgiQ-LmJGMY

Australia, Canada, and Japan are not nearly as free, wealthy, or excellent as the United States. Go live over there if you want.

[Tgo01]

Countless people are suffering because of Biden's economy and Biden just doesn't give a shit, yet something tells me Shaft and the rest of the far left brigade are going to happily vote for him twice in 2024, all the while they lecture everyone else for not caring enough about other people.

[Menos]

Actually, after banning weapons like the AR15 in 1994, deaths from gun massacres fell 47% over the next 10 years.

After the ban ended in 2004, deaths from guns massacres rose over 330% in the next 10 years.

9926

Firearms murders were pretty flat from 1999 to 2014 both before and after the ban lapsed. It looks like your numbers are bullshit. More specifically, it looks like you are trusting a source that is defining gun deaths in such a way as to misrepresent the data. I notice the meaningless word "massacres" is added, I suspect that is where the lie is residing. The only huge jump I see is around 2020-2021. I wonder what other factors might have reduced the means by which we curtail violent crime happened in that time frame. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Defund_the_police)

That graph is from the CDC by way of wikipedia, no friends of the gun rights movement.

If you were not wrong enough, lets look at how many people were killed by rifles. And remember, rifles includes more than just AR-15s, so the real number would be smaller. Looks like under 300 total deaths per year to all rifles, compared to 5000-7000 for pistols.

9927

Edit to add, FBI crime statistics used.

[~Rocktar~]

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[Seran]

https://youtu.be/PgiQ-LmJGMY

Australia, Canada, and Japan are not nearly as free, wealthy, or excellent as the United States. Go live over there if you want.

Worthless post of one guys opinion, fixed with nothing but biased cherry picked information from RAND the wargaming institute. Go away pleb.

[Suppressed Poet]

Worthless post of one guys opinion, fixed with nothing but biased cherry picked information from RAND the wargaming institute. Go away pleb.

Pleb? You are the ignorant sheep beta-pawn proletariat. Keep titty sucking on that welfare from your elite overlords to feed your gay OnlyFans addiction.

[Parkbandit]

The Uvalde shooter bought his guns that week. The Tulsa shooter bought his gun that same day. How about we start with that? Getting a gun should be harder than buying a house, in terms of the process.

Strong chance that if both of those shooters weren't able to buy their weapons that quickly they don't commit those crimes.

Because most of the bodies hadn't even been recovered yet.. and you have President Joe Biden calling for the banning of hand guns. It doesn't end with just "assault weapons"... that's just the very first step in an effort to remove all guns from law abiding citizens. If you want to do that, then just present a new Constitutional Amendment and let's vote on it.


See? Don't be so lazy. Or perhaps you endorse mass murder like most Republicans?

You don't even understand how ironic your stupidity in these 2 sentences is... but anyone with an IQ above 12 is laughing at you.

[Parkbandit]

Banning AR15’s and other similar rifles absolutely save lives. Give the uvalde shooter only a Glock instead of an AR15 and not as many people die.

This is incorrect and shows an absolute ignorance about pretty much everything involved with guns and gun violence in the US.

[Parkbandit]

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

It won't though. All rifles account for 2.6% of all gun deaths in the US in 2019.

Want to show your math on this "25%" because that would be entertaining.

[Parkbandit]

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

It won't though. All rifles account for 2.6% of all gun deaths in the US in 2019.

Want to show your math on this "25%" because that would be entertaining.

[Parkbandit]

Actually, after banning weapons like the AR15 in 1994, deaths from gun massacres fell 47% over the next 10 years.

After the ban ended in 2004, deaths from guns massacres rose over 330% in the next 10 years.

Source?

Also: Did President Trump give some sort of address yesterday? I haven't seen you this triggered since his election victory in 2016.

[Parkbandit]

The entire world stayed indoors for 2.5 years. Everything was closed, remember? So yeah, staying in was pretty easy.

I don’t own a gun because I have no need for one. Zero interest in a gun. I like the fact I have the right to have one and I appreciate that, but AR15’s shouldn’t be in the hands of regular citizens. Anyone who believes they need an AR15 or it’s necessary for whatever the fuck is the delusional.

Also, the 2nd amendment needs to be amended. Nothing well regulated about the current situation.

Exactly... you would need a new Constitutional amendment if you want to infringe on the right to bear arms in this country.

Good luck with that.

[drauz]

Exactly... you would need a new Constitutional amendment if you want to infringe on the right to bear arms in this country.

Good luck with that.

Huge changes could be made if a supreme court case overturns the precedent set out in the Heller case.

[Parkbandit]

Huge changes could be made if a supreme court case overturns the precedent set out in the Heller case.

The 2nd amendment to the Constitution is crystal clear. It has protected the right to bear arms for citizens of this country for over 240 years.

If you want to ban guns, then it will take a Constitutional Amendment to do it.

Good luck with that.

[Suppressed Poet]

New York State Rifle & Pistol Association, Inc. vs Bruen

This decision is expected to drop any day now. It’s likely to be a broad decision in favor of 2A that will finally eliminate the infringement of ‘may-issue’ carry states. Brace yourself leftists.

[kutter]

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

Your argument is ridiculous since rifles of any kind not just AR-15's only comprise 364 deaths a year, that was for 2020, the most current year I could quickly find, and that included suicides; and total firearm related deaths were 10258, so how will getting rid of 364, bring about a 25% reduction in firearm related deaths, your math does not work. I am just a dumb hick from the south but by my limited reckoning rifles make up about 3.5% of firearm related deaths, so how does 25 equal 3.5, is that some sort of new math?

The problem I have with people who want to limit firearms is how disingenuous and uninformed they are. If you really wanted to make a dent in the deaths then you would be going after pistols, they comprise the lions share of gun related deaths in this country, but no one ever talks about banning pistols, I wonder why? Not that it would matter, crazy people will find a way to hurt other people if they want to. A Colt Python with speed loaders and a Remington 870 and a person could do way more damage than someone with an AR-15 in a school. It is not the tools fault if a person does not properly use it.

[Parkbandit]

Your argument is ridiculous since rifles of any kind not just AR-15's only comprise 364 deaths a year, that was for 2020, the most current year I could quickly find, and that included suicides; and total firearm related deaths were 10258, so how will getting rid of 364, bring about a 25% reduction in firearm related deaths, your math does not work. I am just a dumb hick from the south but by my limited reckoning rifles make up about 3.5% of firearm related deaths, so how does 25 equal 3.5, is that some sort of new math?


Well he's never going to show his math with comments like that.

Thanks alot.

[drauz]

The 2nd amendment to the Constitution is crystal clear. It has protected the right to bear arms for citizens of this country for over 240 years.

If you want to ban guns, then it will take a Constitutional Amendment to do it.

Good luck with that.

Except it's not. Before Heller there were gun bans that stood. A supreme court decision could easily make gun bans legal again.

[Seran]

The 2nd amendment to the Constitution is crystal clear. It has protected the right to bear arms for citizens of this country for over 240 years.

If you want to ban guns, then it will take a Constitutional Amendment to do it.

Good luck with that.

It isn't crystal clear the way you think it is, as the single ruling supporting your theory the 2nd Amendment grants rights to /individuals/ outside of a "well regulated militia" as stated in the Constitution, didn't occur until Heller in 2008. Heller has been derided constantly by both sides of the isle, including a conservative former Supreme Court justice.

[Seran]

It's sad that gun deaths /and/ active shooter events have drastically risen since Clinton's assault rifle ban (which included the AR-15) sunset, and yet Republicans hail the increase in gun violence and deaths as the golden age of gun rights.


The 45,222 total gun deaths in 2020 were by far the most on record, representing a 14% increase from the year before, a 25% increase from five years earlier and a 43% increase from a decade prior.


Gun murders, in particular, have climbed sharply in recent years. The 19,384 gun murders that took place in 2020 were the most since at least 1968, exceeding the previous peak of 18,253 recorded by the CDC in 1993. The 2020 total represented a 34% increase from the year before, a 49% increase over five years and a 75% increase over 10 years.


The number of gun suicides has also risen in recent years – climbing 10% over five years and 25% over 10 years – and is near its highest point on record. The 24,292 gun suicides that took place in 2020 were the most in any year except 2018, when there were 24,432.


And yet amazing how the number of gun deaths per capita INCREASES in states with few gun control regulations, but is LOWER in states with a great number of gun control regulations.


The rate of gun fatalities varies widely from state to state. In 2020, the states with the highest rates of gun-related deaths – counting murders, suicides and all other categories tracked by the CDC – included Mississippi (28.6 per 100,000 people), Louisiana (26.3), Wyoming (25.9), Missouri (23.9) and Alabama (23.6). The states with the lowest rates included New York (5.3), Rhode Island (5.1), New Jersey (5.0), Massachusetts (3.7) and Hawaii (3.4).

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

[Neveragain]

While 2020 saw the highest total number of gun deaths in the U.S., this statistic does not take into account the nation’s growing population. On a per capita basis, there were 13.6 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 2020 – the highest rate since the mid-1990s, but still well below the peak of 16.3 gun deaths per 100,000 people in 1974.

From the same source Seran provided.

[Neveragain]

https://www.aei.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/12/guns31.png?x91208

[Neveragain]

Statistically speaking. One would have to join a crowd of 100,000 people over 10,000 times before they ever experienced a single gun death.

If you want to avoid getting shot don't visit or live in major population centers, something we have always known.

[Seran]

Statistically speaking. One would have to join a crowd of 100,000 people over 10,000 times before they ever experienced a single gun death.

If you want to avoid getting shot don't visit or live in major population centers, something we have always known.

Because Uvalde was such a booming metropolis. "If you don't want to get shot in a country with a major gun epidemic, avoid people!!"

[Parkbandit]

It isn't crystal clear the way you think it is, as the single ruling supporting your theory the 2nd Amendment grants rights to /individuals/ outside of a "well regulated militia" as stated in the Constitution, didn't occur until Heller in 2008. Heller has been derided constantly by both sides of the isle, including a conservative former Supreme Court justice.

I have legally owned a firearm for over 30 years.

You're just misinformed on this (like everything else)... believing that the word "militia" in the 2nd Amendment means it only pertains to military.

[Parkbandit]

It's sad that gun deaths /and/ active shooter events have drastically risen since Clinton's assault rifle ban (which included the AR-15) sunset, and yet Republicans hail the increase in gun violence and deaths as the golden age of gun rights.

And yet amazing how the number of gun deaths per capita INCREASES in states with few gun control regulations, but is LOWER in states with a great number of gun control regulations.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

If you had a single functioning brain cell, even you would know you are full of shit.

I bet you are also supportive of Shaft's math of "if you just ban assault rifles, you would reduce gun deaths by 25%!" aren't you?

[Neveragain]

Because Uvalde was such a booming metropolis. "If you don't want to get shot in a country with a major gun epidemic, avoid people!!"

Using your source, we don't have a gun epidemic.

Quit asking everyone else to give shit up because you choose to live in an overpopulated shit hole.

[Neveragain]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KDLgQ8jVA5o

Dude accidently flies near the kings beach house and the king is instantly rushed off by an armed security detail.

Somebody breaks into your home, the king expects you to wait for the police to show up 11 minutes later as you get to watch your wife and daughter get raped.

“All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others.”

[Seran]

Using your source, we don't have a gun epidemic.

Quit asking everyone else to give shit up because you choose to live in an overpopulated shit hole.

That is your incorrect opinion. Most people don't see a massive problem, where children are being murdered and say, "Oh, well about fifty years ago it was once worse. Second worst is no big deal, this is fine."

[Menos]

It's sad that gun deaths /and/ active shooter events have drastically risen since Clinton's assault rifle ban (which included the AR-15) sunset, and yet Republicans hail the increase in gun violence and deaths as the golden age of gun rights.

And yet amazing how the number of gun deaths per capita INCREASES in states with few gun control regulations, but is LOWER in states with a great number of gun control regulations.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

The statistics can be made to say many things, if you twist them right. Lets take a couple of those comparisons from your link, but digging into the numbers more than the overview.

Wyoming: Firearm death rate 25.9 per 100k, homicide 4.9 per 100k, drug overdose deaths 17.4/100k
NY: Firearms death rate 5.4 per 100k, homicide 4.7 per 100k, drugs 25.4/100k
California: Firearm death rate 8.5 per 100k, homicide 6.1 per 100k, drugs 21.8/100k

So the most to least restrictive gun laws have basically zero effect on murders. All of the "Effect" on gun violence is there because they are conflating total deaths related to a gun with intentional murders. It is just that people with guns who want to kill themselves use the gun instead of some other means. Correlation is not causation, if your science teachers didn't drive that home on the first day, you should go back to school and slap them. Heck, I bet zero people kill themselves by running the car in the garage if they have no car. We better ban cars. Better ban all the drugs too, those overdose numbers are way over the murder rates.

[Neveragain]

That is your incorrect opinion. Most people don't see a massive problem, where children are being murdered and say, "Oh, well about fifty years ago it was once worse. Second worst is no big deal, this is fine."

It's not a massive problem as your own source proves.

You don't get to spend 5 years calling for the defunding of police, calling for the end of cash bail, rioting in the streets, burning down private property, crash the economy and then demand people hand over their means of self defense.

[Menos]

It's not a massive problem as your own source proves.

You don't get to spend 5 years calling for the defunding of police, calling for the end of cash bail, rioting in the streets, burning down private property, crash the economy and then demand people hand over their means of self defense.

If you want to see cause and effect driving murders, look at the NYC numbers before and after the defund movement. But hell, what are a few score more dead people in the city if someone gets to buy a couple of mansions out of the deal? Am I right?

[Menos]

If you want to see cause and effect driving murders, look at the NYC numbers before and after the defund movement. But hell, what are a few score more dead people in the city if someone gets to buy a couple of mansions out of the deal? Am I right?

9930

[kutter]

By that graph it looks like NYC is approaching and surpassing the numbers from the Cocaine Cowboys era and THAT was some bloody shit right there.

[Seran]

The statistics can be made to say many things, if you twist them right. Lets take a couple of those comparisons from your link, but digging into the numbers more than the overview.

Wyoming: Firearm death rate 25.9 per 100k, homicide 4.9 per 100k, drug overdose deaths 17.4/100k
NY: Firearms death rate 5.4 per 100k, homicide 4.7 per 100k, drugs 25.4/100k
California: Firearm death rate 8.5 per 100k, homicide 6.1 per 100k, drugs 21.8/100k

So the most to least restrictive gun laws have basically zero effect on murders. All of the "Effect" on gun violence is there because they are conflating total deaths related to a gun with intentional murders. It is just that people with guns who want to kill themselves use the gun instead of some other means. Correlation is not causation, if your science teachers didn't drive that home on the first day, you should go back to school and slap them. Heck, I bet zero people kill themselves by running the car in the garage if they have no car. We better ban cars. Better ban all the drugs too, those overdose numbers are way over the murder rates.

Hey speaking of twisting numbers which plainly show a higher per capita death rate due to gun violence in state's without gun laws, you're claiming that's just because people are killing themselves. Alright, so let's pretend the suicide rate is soo high in those states, that it grossly inflates the per capita homicide rates, that's not problematic in itself? Life is so hard people are desperate enough to buy guns and kill themselves, that is such a major read flag as people think guns will solve their problems. Maybe that's why red states enjoy higher per capita gun homicides, which is the chief reason to control them in the first place.

[Seran]

9930

I know you're not so blind as not to note that the numbers were already seriously exploding before the defunding the police discussion started and failed.

[Neveragain]

Jerry Nadler really is a comic book villain.

https://www.bitchute.com/video/hvGrDTmPJNDi/


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LoUlO0Bf214&t=39s

Nadler: "An 18 year old doesn't have a fully developed brain, therefore, they should be 21 to own a gun."

Massie: "Will the chairman (Nadler) help me co-sponsor a bill to raise the draft age to 21?"

Nadler (abruptly): "No!"

Massie: "But the chairman feels that their brains aren't fully developed at 18, 19 and 20."

Nadler: splutters...."the, the... research does indicate that, but..but, the selective service needs (pause)....I mean, if the country needs people, it needs people. "

Massie: "The selective service needs people whos brains aren't fully formed?"

Nadler: "In certain respects, yes."

http://www.reactiongifs.com/r/2013/09/colbert-jaw-drop.gif

[Neveragain]

Hey speaking of twisting numbers which plainly show a higher per capita death rate due to gun violence in state's without gun laws, you're claiming that's just because people are killing themselves. Alright, so let's pretend the suicide rate is soo high in those states, that it grossly inflates the per capita homicide rates, that's not problematic in itself? Life is so hard people are desperate enough to buy guns and kill themselves, that is such a major read flag as people think guns will solve their problems. Maybe that's why red states enjoy higher per capita gun homicides, which is the chief reason to control them in the first place.

You should just be honest. You want the Democrats to be able to riot and burn down private property every election season and not get shot in the face while doing so.

[~Rocktar~]

You should just be honest. You want the Democrats to be able to riot and burn down private property every election season and not get shot in the face while doing so.

This is correct.

[Neveragain]

This is correct.

My mind is drawing a blank...what was the name of that organization, that Democrats founded, that terrorized and set aflame black business's, homes and didn't want black people to have guns?

[~Rocktar~]

My mind is drawing a blank...what was the name of that organization, that Democrats founded, that terrorized and set aflame black business's, homes and didn't want black people to have guns?

The Rotary club?

[Menos]

Hey speaking of twisting numbers which plainly show a higher per capita death rate due to gun violence in state's without gun laws, you're claiming that's just because people are killing themselves. Alright, so let's pretend the suicide rate is soo high in those states, that it grossly inflates the per capita homicide rates, that's not problematic in itself? Life is so hard people are desperate enough to buy guns and kill themselves, that is such a major read flag as people think guns will solve their problems. Maybe that's why red states enjoy higher per capita gun homicides, which is the chief reason to control them in the first place.

It is exactly my point that the data provided does not clearly show a greater level of violence correlated to gun laws. The "firearms deaths" (measured variable) number includes a subset of total violence (gun murders while excluding other murders) combined with other causes of mortality (gun suicides while excluding other suicides). This means that any changes in "firearms deaths" will thus include effects of gun laws, differences in total violence, differences in total suicides and the means of suicide at the same time. I then showed that suicides number was the major driving factor in the differences between states, not murders (at least in these specific examples).

The best chance to support a causal relationship with statistics is when you can eliminate complicating effects from other causes, removing those things that may show a change in your measured variable for reasons not specific to the hypothesis tested. This is particularly true if you are including effects that could correlate without a causal relationship. The method by which a person carries out a suicide is not (or not wholly) the cause of that suicide. Access to a gun can increase the likelihood it is used for that purpose without increasing the chance a person would commit the act. This is why I included the example of access to a car increasing the chance of doing self harm via car.

This does not even get into the granular details, such as States where cities have very different firearms laws in practice compared to rural areas (like NYC vs upstate NY). Speaking of cities and local laws...

9933

Please Observe the graph above. For 2020, 31,711 firearms deaths occurred in a metro area and 490 happened outside of metro areas based on CDC data. Does this indicate that metro areas are the cause of all firearms deaths? Of course not, and to say it does would just as dubious as claiming firearms laws are the cause. Being in the city and firearms deaths may be correlated more strongly than gun laws are, but there are so many other factors related to being in a city (population density, gang activity, age demographics, total populations) that are complicating the analysis.

Or to use a rather famous example. Even though corndogs consumption is correlated with hot weather in the midwest, eating corndogs does not cause the temperature to increase and being hot doesn't make people more likely to eat corndogs. It is just that people eat corndogs at the fair and the fair happens in the summer when it is hot outside.

If you are still reading and open to suggestions, please consider this. People on the other side of the debate may have come to a different conclusion on gun laws for other reasons than that they are the embodiment of evil and want children to be murdered. They can be looking at the same set of data, be making an honest and fair (as far as humans are able) assessment, and still decided a different course of action than you want is better.

This is the course of action they've charted. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Right_to_Carry,_timeline.gif)

[Menos]

You should just be honest. You want the Democrats to be able to riot and burn down private property every election season and not get shot in the face while doing so.

You mean shot in the heart, aorta, right lung, pelvis, and right arm. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kenosha_unrest_shooting#Sequence_of_events)

[Realk]

The Uvalde shooter bought his guns that week. The Tulsa shooter bought his gun that same day. How about we start with that? Getting a gun should be harder than buying a house, in terms of the process.

Strong chance that if both of those shooters weren't able to buy their weapons that quickly they don't commit those crimes.

See? Don't be so lazy. Or perhaps you endorse mass murder like most Republicans?


I have not read further in this thread to this post... Did you really just say buying a gun should be harder than buying a house? :nutty:

by the same notion i shouldnt be able to have a truck that weighs 5000 lbs cause it's dangerous but I still do with a class C drivers license. Where the fuck do you want the slippery slope to end on your rights.

[Shaps]

If they put up one graph for people to see... it would be the CDC's WISQARS data. Of course, the Lefty politicians never will.... https://wisqars.cdc.gov

Homicides by Firearm 2020: 19.5k

To put this in perspective - The Federal Government wants to rescind the rights of 350m+ people... for less than 20k deaths. That is 0.005% murdered by a firearm annually.

Every death is tragic, but there is no way full power, and control, should be ceded to a Government that is supposed to be answerable to it's citizens.... for 0.005%.

No way, no how.

[Methais]

I don’t think it’s as simple as that just like I don’t think it’s as simple as saying shootings happening in red state locations is because of loose gun laws. It’s much bigger than those simple statistics.

Gun control will never work, there needs to be a deeper dive in to education of gun safety, accountability and realistic alternatives like raising purchase age etc. even those steps will take a generation to really see any change. I think everyone’s problem is they need something immediate and that is unrealistic so as a result everyone is just sniping at one another and productivity to solutions/alternatives is in the shitter.

The majority of shootings in most/all of those cities are gang related and involved illegally possessed guns.

[Seran]

It is exactly my point that the data provided does not clearly show a greater level of violence correlated to gun laws. The "firearms deaths" (measured variable) number includes a subset of total violence (gun murders while excluding other murders) combined with other causes of mortality (gun suicides while excluding other suicides). This means that any changes in "firearms deaths" will thus include effects of gun laws, differences in total violence, differences in total suicides and the means of suicide at the same time. I then showed that suicides number was the major driving factor in the differences between states, not murders (at least in these specific examples).

The best chance to support a causal relationship with statistics is when you can eliminate complicating effects from other causes, removing those things that may show a change in your measured variable for reasons not specific to the hypothesis tested. This is particularly true if you are including effects that could correlate without a causal relationship. The method by which a person carries out a suicide is not (or not wholly) the cause of that suicide. Access to a gun can increase the likelihood it is used for that purpose without increasing the chance a person would commit the act. This is why I included the example of access to a car increasing the chance of doing self harm via car.

This does not even get into the granular details, such as States where cities have very different firearms laws in practice compared to rural areas (like NYC vs upstate NY). Speaking of cities and local laws...

9933

Please Observe the graph above. For 2020, 31,711 firearms deaths occurred in a metro area and 490 happened outside of metro areas based on CDC data. Does this indicate that metro areas are the cause of all firearms deaths? Of course not, and to say it does would just as dubious as claiming firearms laws are the cause. Being in the city and firearms deaths may be correlated more strongly than gun laws are, but there are so many other factors related to being in a city (population density, gang activity, age demographics, total populations) that are complicating the analysis.

Or to use a rather famous example. Even though corndogs consumption is correlated with hot weather in the midwest, eating corndogs does not cause the temperature to increase and being hot doesn't make people more likely to eat corndogs. It is just that people eat corndogs at the fair and the fair happens in the summer when it is hot outside.

If you are still reading and open to suggestions, please consider this. People on the other side of the debate may have come to a different conclusion on gun laws for other reasons than that they are the embodiment of evil and want children to be murdered. They can be looking at the same set of data, be making an honest and fair (as far as humans are able) assessment, and still decided a different course of action than you want is better.

This is the course of action they've charted. (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_law_in_the_United_States#/media/File:Right_to_Carry,_timeline.gif)

I fully recognize that people are often mislead by people who take objective facts, then twist them to say the exact opposite and this forum is the quantifiable heart of dishonest conservatism. But the side I'm arguing is backed up by dead bodies riddled with bullet holes that in many cases could be avoided by even reasonable gun control. The side the Right is arguing against is that dead children murdered by legally bought semi automatic rifles can only be cured by more people having AR-15s, a faulty argument which is made all the more audacious by the number of countries with very few gun deaths as they outright ban the private ownership of firearms except under very exacting, well regulated circumstances.

The Right, through the NRA and Conservative Media is feeding the seditious lie that disarmament is purely a mechanism to destroy all individual freedoms and championing armament is the only means of fighting back. Look at the number of manifestos put there with people who use guns as a way of getting n what they want or making themselves a martyr so they can be "heard". Reasonable gun laws are the way forward, but you can't negotiate with people whose only compromise is abolishing all gun laws.

[Methais]

Strong chance that if both of those shooters weren't able to buy their weapons that quickly they don't commit those crimes.

What specifically are you basing this on?

[Tgo01]

What specifically are you basing this on?

His feelings. We could have a 3 month waiting period and people would still be saying "3 months isn't long enough! If only we had a 6 month waiting period then this never would have happened!!!"

[Methais]

It might be worth expanding on that last post.

You make the assumption more gun laws would reduce gun deaths. I disagree with this, but admit it is difficult to empirically test (More on this later). There are problems in the possible observational studies that use different countries, look between different regions of the US, or within the same region at different time points. I find some of the comparisons more compelling than others, but they also tend to support my general views so I am likely being effected at least in part by my own bias. Never the less, because you are assuming this premise without a constant theory that deals with the counter examples, you introduce flaws into your arguments.

You also falsely assume people not agreeing with your proposed changes are pro-current laws. People may be in support of different laws, the removal of current laws, or changes to those laws. Gun laws are changing all the time, they are just generally going in the direction you do not support (https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/05/us/permitless-carry-laws-advance-in-states/index.html). Moreover, murder and violent crime rates have been decreasing over the last 20 years which coincided with the massive liberalization of firearms laws in the US. This is the opposite of what your logic would predict. Of course there are other factors besides gun laws in the murder rate, but that only points towards the absurdity of accusing those who don't agree with your proposed laws as being against the goal. I am quite sure I have heard many a republican opine in the last week about the need for other solutions they consider to be more appropriate to the problem.

You also draw a false equivalence that the republican position is an endorsement of gun deaths. This is no different than someone arguing that opposing a 5mph speed limit and stopping for 30 seconds at every stop light is endorsing 50,000 car deaths per year. While such laws would reduce the number of people killed by cars, people can oppose those laws for reasons totally unrelated to the number of car related fatalities.

While I support your desire to reduce these horrible incidents, you should understand that making fallacious arguments and accusing half the people of being pro-child murder is not going to sway very many people to your side, you lose out on both the logical and the emotional reactions that way.

In before Seran calls you a Tucker Carlson cocksucking white supremacist who wants all school kids to be murdered.

[Seran]

I fully recognize that people are often mislead by people who take objective facts, then twist them to say the exact opposite and this forum is the quantifiable heart of dishonest conservatism. But the side I'm arguing is backed up by dead bodies riddled with bullet holes that in many cases could be avoided by even reasonable gun control. The side the Right is arguing against is that dead children murdered by legally bought semi automatic rifles can only be cured by more people having AR-15s, a faulty argument which is made all the more audacious by the number of countries with very few gun deaths as they outright ban the private ownership of firearms except under very exacting, well regulated circumstances.

The Right, through the NRA and Conservative Media is feeding the seditious lie that disarmament is purely a mechanism to destroy all individual freedoms and championing armament is the only means of fighting back. Look at the number of manifestos put there with people who use guns as a way of getting n what they want or making themselves a martyr so they can be "heard". Reasonable gun laws are the way forward, but you can't negotiate with people whose only compromise is abolishing all gun laws.

The irony of this is the number of idiot trolls who simply don't care about facts, don't digest anything that's provided as reasoning and can't stop rubbing cheeto dust on their cheeks like their savior.

[Methais]

Also, when police show up to a shooting and they’re outgunned because the shooter has an AR15 and cops only have pistols or shotguns, that’s an issue. The Uvalde cops were terrified. Prime reason to ban AR15’s.

That's retarded Seran logic if you really believe that 1 dude with an AR-15 outgears an entire police department. But you're probably just arguing in bad faith. That would at least be the less retarded option.


If you had an AR-15 and you walked into a shooting range where everyone was armed only with glocks, do you really believe you would wipe out everybody there and you'd come out unscathed?


The Uvalde cops were terrified.

Not too terrified to run inside to go get their own kids out before running back outside to stop anyone else from going in though, right? Why aren't more people talking about this massive police malice/incompetence? It couldn't be that they're intentionally ignoring it so that they can push more ineffective gun control or anything...

Btw here's that same police department bragging about how geared they are:

https://i.imgur.com/tYIsxnZ.png

And here they are again talking about doing drills to familiarize themselves with the layouts of school and all that. You know, in case something like a school shooting happens:

https://i.imgur.com/Enpafkk.png


I know you're not dumb like Seran, so you should stop using Seran logic.

[Methais]

How the left thinks AR-15s hit:

https://i.imgur.com/r1y0eof.gif

[Methais]

If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

But if it didn't, would you be willing to shut the fuck up about gun control?

[Seran]

Case in point: MethaisBOT

[Methais]

Worthless post of one guys opinion, fixed with nothing but biased cherry picked information from RAND the wargaming institute. Go away pleb.

Seran's lack of self awareness is on full display again.

What is abstinence and how are republicans trying to block it though?

[Methais]

The Uvalde shooter bought his guns that week. The Tulsa shooter bought his gun that same day. How about we start with that? Getting a gun should be harder than buying a house, in terms of the process.

Strong chance that if both of those shooters weren't able to buy their weapons that quickly they don't commit those crimes.

See? Don't be so lazy. Or perhaps you endorse mass murder like most Republicans?

I have some good news for you. Buying an assault rifle already is harder than buying a house.

The problem here though will be due to your lack of understanding of what an assault rifle is.

[Methais]

I fully recognize that people are often mislead by people who take objective facts, then twist them to say the exact opposite and this forum is the quantifiable heart of dishonest Seranism.

This is correct.

[Suppressed Poet]

The Right, through the NRA and Conservative Media is feeding the seditious lie that disarmament is purely a mechanism to destroy all individual freedoms and championing armament is the only means of fighting back. Look at the number of manifestos put there with people who use guns as a way of getting n what they want or making themselves a martyr so they can be "heard". Reasonable gun laws are the way forward, but you can't negotiate with people whose only compromise is abolishing all gun laws.

So let’s pretend for just a moment if we can…. January 6th was a real insurrection and was successful. Trump is now your emperor. He has disbanded Congress, and is rounding up all political opponents for public execution. Welcome to your new world order. Nobody is coming to save you as the police and military all work for scary Orange Man.

If such a scenario were to occur, which you and other leftists constantly claim that we were in fact very close to that happening, would you want to have access to firearms such as an AR-15? Or is your mastery in kung-fu sufficient?

[Methais]

The irony of this is the number of idiot trolls who simply don't care about facts, don't digest anything that's provided as reasoning and can't stop rubbing cheeto dust on their cheeks like their savior.

gg replying to yourself so that you can agree with yourself since everyone else thinks you're a retard.

At least you do it all from the same account.

[Methais]

Case in point: MethaisBOT

Tell us what a bot is in that context, Seran, the biggest NPC in the history of the PC.

And then tell us what abstinence is and how republicans are trying to block it.

[Parkbandit]

So let’s pretend for just a moment if we can…. January 6th was a real insurrection and was successful. Trump is now your emperor. He has disbanded Congress, and is rounding up all political opponents for public execution. Welcome to your new world order. Nobody is coming to save you as the police and military all work for scary Orange Man.

If such a scenario were to occur, which you and other leftists constantly claim that we were in fact very close to that happening, would you want to have access to firearms such as an AR-15? Or is your mastery in kung-fu sufficient?

Liberals will bend the knee faster than any other group.... much faster than they will take up arms. AR-15s are fucking scary!!!!!!!!!

[kutter]

I was thinking about this a moment ago, and go ahead and ban AR-15's, I do not own one, I own a couple of AR-10's and an AR-9, so I am golden. Well, that is if you are only counting complete rifles, if you are just counting lowers then I guess I have like 5 AR-15's, just never seem to get around to building one.

[Parkbandit]

I was thinking about this a moment ago, and go ahead and ban AR-15's, I do not own one, I own a couple of AR-10's and an AR-9, so I am golden. Well, that is if you are only counting complete rifles, if you are just counting lowers then I guess I have like 5 AR-15's, just never seem to get around to building one.

There are what.. 10-20 million AR-15s? Would they make them illegal to purchase or would they go for full confiscation?

Because, good luck with that.

[Menos]

His feelings. We could have a 3 month waiting period and people would still be saying "3 months isn't long enough! If only we had a 6 month waiting period then this never would have happened!!!"

If only they built it with seven thousand and one hulls!

[Menos]

In before Seran calls you a Tucker Carlson cocksucking white supremacist who wants all school kids to be murdered.

Tucker carlson, that squishy RINO? I've never watched one of his shows, he's too liberal!

[Suppressed Poet]

There are what.. 10-20 million AR-15s? Would they make them illegal to purchase or would they go for full confiscation?

Because, good luck with that.

The previous assault weapons ban defined it by how many features you had on the rifle such as muzzle device, pistol grip, having a collapsible stock, etc. It could only have no more than a couple of these features to avoid the assault weapon definition. Also all magazines were restricted to 10 rounds. There was a grandfather clause that you could keep anything purchased before the ban, but it couldn’t be sold or transferred.

Back when the ban went into effect, very few people had ARs. The market for modern sporting rifles (whatever you want to call it) and such didn’t explode until after the ban expired. With the number in circulation today, I don’t think the libs will be satisfied with a grandfather clause anymore. Who knows though.

[Methais]

The previous assault weapons ban defined it by how many features you had on the rifle such as muzzle device, pistol grip, having a collapsible stock, etc. It could only have no more than a couple of these features to avoid the assault weapon definition. Also all magazines were restricted to 10 rounds. There was a grandfather clause that you could keep anything purchased before the ban, but it couldn’t be sold or transferred.

Back when the ban went into effect, very few people had ARs. The market for modern sporting rifles (whatever you want to call it) and such didn’t explode until after the ban expired. With the number in circulation today, I don’t think the libs will be satisfied with a grandfather clause anymore. Who knows though.

Seran would say that grandfathers, or any old people, shouldn't own AR-15s either.

[Seran]

The previous assault weapons ban defined it by how many features you had on the rifle such as muzzle device, pistol grip, having a collapsible stock, etc. It could only have no more than a couple of these features to avoid the assault weapon definition. Also all magazines were restricted to 10 rounds. There was a grandfather clause that you could keep anything purchased before the ban, but it couldn’t be sold or transferred.

Back when the ban went into effect, very few people had ARs. The market for modern sporting rifles (whatever you want to call it) and such didn’t explode until after the ban expired. With the number in circulation today, I don’t think the libs will be satisfied with a grandfather clause anymore. Who knows though.

The assault weapons ban, if it had been permanent, would have kept the AR-15 off the list of murder weapons these past couple weeks. Guess we learned what happens when gun control lapses. People kill people with gun.

[Parkbandit]

The assault weapons ban, if it had been permanent, would have kept the AR-15 off the list of murder weapons these past couple weeks. Guess we learned what happens when gun control lapses. People kill people with gun.

Yes, yes... if people didn't have access to the AR-15, there's no way they would have used another gun or weapon to kill anyone with............................

What's it like being you, Seran? Like you don't have to worry about thinking at all..

Must be nice not having to turn off your brain. You must fall asleep instantly.

[Suppressed Poet]

The assault weapons ban, if it had been permanent, would have kept the AR-15 off the list of murder weapons these past couple weeks. Guess we learned what happens when gun control lapses. People kill people with gun.

You don’t like AR-15s simply because they are black and scary. That’s the extent of your knowledge on the subject.

Truth is there is absolutely no chance in hell an assault weapons ban would pass in the senate right now. In November it will be even less so when Dems loose their seats for eff’ing up the country the last couple years. I’m afraid you will have to just keep on dreaming about seizing other people’s property and that utopia of authoritarianism you desire so much.

[Neveragain]

The assault weapons ban, if it had been permanent, would have kept the AR-15 off the list of murder weapons these past couple weeks. Guess we learned what happens when gun control lapses. People kill people with gun.

I purchased my mini-14 while the assault weapons ban was in effect. It was one of the dumbest pieces of legislation ever conceived.

[Menos]

Listen, if we just re-implement that ban, but do it even harder closing all the loopholes it will work. It isn't that our idea was wrong, it was just people avoided the righteousness of the laws. With only a couple more enforcement powers we can get it done. We've seen the way.

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[Methais]

You don’t like AR-15s simply because they are black and scary. That’s the extent of your knowledge on the subject.

Truth is there is absolutely no chance in hell an assault weapons ban would pass in the senate right now. In November it will be even less so when Dems loose their seats for eff’ing up the country the last couple years. I’m afraid you will have to just keep on dreaming about seizing other people’s property and that utopia of authoritarianism you desire so much.

Seran wants more mass shootings before November because he thinks it will help pedocrats in the midterms.

[Seran]

You don’t like AR-15s simply because they are black and scary. That’s the extent of your knowledge on the subject.

Truth is there is absolutely no chance in hell an assault weapons ban would pass in the senate right now. In November it will be even less so when Dems loose their seats for eff’ing up the country the last couple years. I’m afraid you will have to just keep on dreaming about seizing other people’s property and that utopia of authoritarianism you desire so much.

Yeah, you're wrong. But I'll tell you, the assault weapon ban already passed once and with there being a decent number of more moderate Republicans, it's a possibility. It's cute you think that the last assault weapon ban being being a 18 or so years from when it expired means it could never happen again.

[Shaps]

Hope they raise the age to serve in the Military to 21 then.
Hope they raise the age to vote to 21 then.
Hope they raise the age a person must pay taxes to 21 then.

If 18 is considered legally an adult... then all rights should be afforded that adult as a citizen of the country.

21 is an arbitrary number designed to get people to first give an inch... then they take everything.

[~Rocktar~]

Yeah, you're wrong. But I'll tell you, the assault weapon ban already passed once and with there being a decent number of more moderate Republicans, it's a possibility. It's cute you think that the last assault weapon ban being being a 18 or so years from when it expired means it could never happen again.

No. You will lose the House easily, you will likely lose the Senate pretty easily and I can't wait for the impeachment hearings to clean house in this corrupt and anti-American administration.

[Parkbandit]

Hope they raise the age to serve in the Military to 21 then.
Hope they raise the age to vote to 21 then.
Hope they raise the age a person must pay taxes to 21 then.

If 18 is considered legally an adult... then all rights should be afforded that adult as a citizen of the country.

21 is an arbitrary number designed to get people to first give an inch... then they take everything.

The Democrats have been pushing for the age to vote to begin at 16. They would rather have guns than change the age to vote from 18 to 21.

[kutter]

If you limit my ability to purchase an AR platform, I will just have a reason to finally buy that Binelli M4 I have been wanting, and instead of having 30 rounds and then reload, I will have 168 pellets of .24 caliber or 64 of .33 caliber, although I find 00 buck to be a little overkill, #4 is my preference. Tell me again how AR platform rifles are so dangerous. There is a reason a shotgun is called a street howitzer, in close quarters the damage it does is hard to imagine. But you go on thinking that banning something that is responsible for less than 700 deaths a year will have even a measurable blip on the murder rate.

[Parkbandit]

If you limit my ability to purchase an AR platform, I will just have a reason to finally buy that Binelli M4 I have been wanting, and instead of having 30 rounds and then reload, I will have 168 pellets of .24 caliber or 64 of .33 caliber, although I find 00 buck to be a little overkill, #4 is my preference. Tell me again how AR platform rifles are so dangerous. There is a reason a shotgun is called a street howitzer, in close quarters the damage it does is hard to imagine. But you go on thinking that banning something that is responsible for less than 700 deaths a year will have even a measurable blip on the murder rate.

I wouldn't call 25% a "blip"...


If banning AR15’s would drop the number of gun deaths in the US by 25%, would you be willing to give up your AR15?

[kutter]

I wouldn't call 25% a "blip"...

Haven't we already covered how flawed his math is?

[Methais]

Hope they raise the age to serve in the Military to 21 then.
Hope they raise the age to vote to 21 then.
Hope they raise the age a person must pay taxes to 21 then.

If 18 is considered legally an adult... then all rights should be afforded that adult as a citizen of the country.

21 is an arbitrary number designed to get people to first give an inch... then they take everything.

Why do minors pay taxes anyway if they can't vote? That 16 year old working the drive through is a victim of taxation without representation.

[Parkbandit]

Haven't we already covered how flawed his math is?

I'm still hoping Shaft will come back and show his math.......

[Shaps]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4iQxpwYhAg

A lesson for those that think law abiding citizens shouldn't have guns. This isn't new, and it won't ever change. Criminals will do criminal shit... and when the Police or corrupt DAs won't fix the issue and secure an area for law abiding citizens (ie. what's currently happening in many cities)... then the right to self-defense is the correct answer.

The gun laws are fine. Lazy, inept application of them due to human error and ignorance is the issue. Stop throwing in responsible gun owners with maniacs who abuse and ignore the laws already on the books.

[time4fun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Z4iQxpwYhAg

A lesson for those that think law abiding citizens shouldn't have guns. This isn't new, and it won't ever change. Criminals will do criminal shit... and when the Police or corrupt DAs won't fix the issue and secure an area for law abiding citizens (ie. what's currently happening in many cities)... then the right to self-defense is the correct answer.

The gun laws are fine. Lazy, inept application of them due to human error and ignorance is the issue. Stop throwing in responsible gun owners with maniacs who abuse and ignore the laws already on the books.

This would be more compelling if it weren't coming from someone who lives in the only fully industrialized country with a mass shooting problem

[Shaps]

https://www.factsinstitute.com/ranking/countries-by-murder-rate/#:~:text=Countries%20by%20murder%20rate%20%E2%80%9 3%20complete%20ranking%20,%20%2041.7%20%206%20more %20rows%20

I've been in more shithole countries than you can imagine, so your argument about living in the US is moot... we don't have a "mass shooting problem"... as I posted previously, 20k murders in 2020 due to guns in the United States (included a CDC data link also) out of 350m people. That is .005%. If you remove all the ones in Democrat run cities, we'd easily be below 8k if not more.

So excuse me for thinking critically. Your argument would be more compelling if it weren't coming from a blinded partisan hack.

[~Rocktar~]

This would be more compelling if it were coming from someone who supports my position in a fully industrialized country with a mass personal responsibility problem that refuses to protect schools in an adequate manner.

ftfy


So excuse me for thinking critically. Your argument would be more compelling if it weren't coming from a complete moron with 387 degrees that thinks that men can give birth and breast feed.

[Seran]

https://www.factsinstitute.com/ranking/countries-by-murder-rate/#:~:text=Countries%20by%20murder%20rate%20%E2%80%9 3%20complete%20ranking%20,%20%2041.7%20%206%20more %20rows%20

I've been in more shithole countries than you can imagine, so your argument about living in the US is moot... we don't have a "mass shooting problem"... as I posted previously, 20k murders in 2020 due to guns in the United States (included a CDC data link also) out of 350m people. That is .005%. If you remove all the ones in Democrat run cities, we'd easily be below 8k if not more.

So excuse me for thinking critically. Your argument would be more compelling if it weren't coming from a blinded partisan hack.

Suicides more than double that number in the United States, and with 80% of murders in our country being from firearms, we have a gun death epidemic that must be stopped.


What share of U.S. gun deaths are murders and what share are suicides?

Though they tend to get less public attention than gun-related murders, suicides have long accounted for the majority of U.S. gun deaths. In 2020, 54% of all gun-related deaths in the U.S. were suicides (24,292), while 43% were murders (19,384), according to the CDC. The remaining gun deaths that year were unintentional (535), involved law enforcement (611) or had undetermined circumstances (400).

What share of all murders and suicides in the U.S. involve a gun?

Nearly eight-in-ten (79%) U.S. murders in 2020 – 19,384 out of 24,576 – involved a firearm. That marked the highest percentage since at least 1968, the earliest year for which the CDC has online records. A little over half (53%) of all suicides in 2020 – 24,292 out of 45,979 – involved a gun, a percentage that has generally remained stable in recent years.

https://www.pewresearch.org/fact-tank/2022/02/03/what-the-data-says-about-gun-deaths-in-the-u-s/

But hey, we're only number TWO in the world for the number of gun deaths in 2019, so in Republican speak, everything is fine.


Countries with the Highest Total Gun Deaths (all causes) in 2019

Brazil — 49,436
United States — 37,038
Venezuela — 28,515
Mexico — 22,116
India — 14,710
Colombia — 13,169
Philippines — 9,267
Guatemala — 5,980

https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/gun-deaths-by-country