Nuclear Iran

[Gelston]

Nope, but that wasn’t what the conversation was about.
It was about the last time Russians and Americans met on the ground.
They did meet in the ground. The guy saw the US Flags raise.

[Solkern]

The guys on the ground directed the air. That is pretty much how a conventional ground engagement with US Forces goes.

When I think of meeting on the ground, I’m thinking of ground troops in combat, not calling in air and artillery strikes.

[Solkern]

They did meet in the ground. The guy saw the US Flags raise.

The guy specifically said at the end... no American foot soldiers.
I guess our definition of ground combat is a little different.

[Gelston]

The guy specifically said at the end... no American foot soldiers.
I guess our definition of ground combat is a little different.

They were struck by artillery too. It wasn't all air. He mentioned arty. That is ground forces.

And I didn't say "Ground combat" I said "met on the ground". Their ground forces met our ground forces and our ground forces called for Arty and Air and obliterated them without ever needing to engage.

[Solkern]

They were struck by artillery too. It wasn't all air. He mentioned arty. That is ground forces.

I think ground means, troops marching forward, shooting their guns etc etc. not calling in artillery strikes.

[Solkern]

From what I found, about ground combat

modern ground combat involves moving lots of men and equipment across hundreds of miles on relatively tight timelines and on extremely poor infrastructure. The importance of the coordinated logistics necessary to bring the right assets to bear in order to build the right level of combat power at the center of gravity for a particular operation cannot be overstated. As the Commandant of the Marine Corps once noted:

[Gelston]

From what I found, about ground combat

modern ground combat involves moving lots of men and equipment across hundreds of miles on relatively tight timelines and on extremely poor infrastructure. The importance of the coordinated logistics necessary to bring the right assets to bear in order to build the right level of combat power at the center of gravity for a particular operation cannot be overstated. As the Commandant of the Marine Corps once noted:
Artillery is one of the deadliest components of ground combat. They aren’t called King of Battle for nothing.

[Astray]

Artillery is one of the deadliest components of ground combat. They aren’t called King of Battle for nothing.

Fuck artillery.

[Methais]

Fuck artillery.

Shartillery > artillery

[Gelston]

Fuck artillery.

Shit, I'd rather have it than not.

[Gelston]

So, supposedly Iran warned Iraq ahead of time about the attacks, and Iraq told us. Iran also fired their most obsolete missiles.

Definitely just trying to save face.

[BriarFox]

So, supposedly Iran warned Iraq ahead of time about the attacks, and Iraq told us.

They’re also claiming 80 US casualties but seem to have tried to avoid them, and so far our public numbers say 0. Looks like a face-saving attack. And it looks like Trump et al are going to let it lie.

[Fierna]

That tweet yesterday, “All is well! Everything is fine!” It almost seemed like he was scared that he started something serious he couldn’t undo. Like he crashed his daddy’s Ferrari and he’s looking at the damage trying to calm himself down ,” that’ll buff right out, eeveything is fine!”

[Neveragain]

That tweet yesterday, “All is well! Everything is fine!” It almost seemed like he was scared that he started something serious he couldn’t undo. Like he crashed his daddy’s Ferrari and he’s looking at the damage trying to calm himself down ,” that’ll buff right out, eeveything is fine!”

What did you want him to tweet, "Abandon your posts, flee for your lives!" ?

[RichardCranium]

That tweet yesterday, “All is well! Everything is fine!” It almost seemed like he was scared that he started something serious he couldn’t undo. Like he crashed his daddy’s Ferrari and he’s looking at the damage trying to calm himself down ,” that’ll buff right out, eeveything is fine!”

El oh el.

[Fortybox]

Looks like the missile attack was funded by the last administration.

Thanks Obama.

[Gelston]

That tweet yesterday, “All is well! Everything is fine!” It almost seemed like he was scared that he started something serious he couldn’t undo. Like he crashed his daddy’s Ferrari and he’s looking at the damage trying to calm himself down ,” that’ll buff right out, eeveything is fine!”
Or like, it sound like he knew they didn’t hit shit.

[Tgo01]

Or like, it sound like he knew they didn’t hit shit.

From everything I have read the US knew in advance and withdrew all personnel and most of the rockets missed their targets anyways. Almost as if it was they did this mostly so they could have a video feed of the rockets being fired so they could say they did something in response.

Let's also not forget they probably shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane while firing these rockets and don't want to admit it now. At first Iran put out the lie that it was engine trouble, now Ukraine is walking that statement back and Iran is refusing to hand over the black box. I wonder why?

But I'm sure it's just a major coincidence that a passenger plane fell out of the sky over Iran while Iran was recklessly firing missiles.

[Sile]

From everything I have read the US knew in advance and withdrew all personnel and most of the rockets missed their targets anyways. Almost as if it was they did this mostly so they could have a video feed of the rockets being fired so they could say they did something in response.

Let's also not forget they probably shot down a Ukrainian passenger plane while firing these rockets and don't want to admit it now. At first Iran put out the lie that it was engine trouble, now Ukraine is walking that statement back and Iran is refusing to hand over the black box. I wonder why?

But I'm sure it's just a major coincidence that a passenger plane fell out of the sky over Iran while Iran was recklessly firing missiles.

Actually the plane went down hours after the missile attacks.

High chance it was shot down by a paranoid air defense operator. But nothing has been confirmed yet. Nor will we probably get an accurate cause released.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Or like, it sound like he knew they didn’t hit shit.

And Iran, very wisely, didn't hit shit. Trump wouldn't draw a red line and then run away, he'd obliterate it.

[Sile]

The funny thing is, if an american lost their life in the attacks, the Dems would say Trump planned it just so he could declare war.

The missile attack happened, the Iranian government got to save face with their own people, no Americans lost lives and damage was minimal. Both sides win with this outcome.

The Iranian's don't want to give the US any reason to target sites in Iran, but they had to do something.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

The Iranian's don't want to give the US any reason to target sites in Iran, but they had to do something.

Lots of truth there.

I personally, wish we'd wipe out all their air-force, navy and any strategic land areas. Fuck terrorists.

[Tgo01]

Trump kills a terrorist.
Democrats: OMG! Trump got us involved in WW3! So many American soldiers and citizens are going to get killed because of Trump's reckless actions!!!!!!

Trump says he killed the terrorist to prevent a war, not start a war.
Democrats: OMG! What a moron! Iran is gonna kill us all!!!! And it's all Trump's fault!!!!

Iran ineffectually attacks a US base, resulting in no deaths or injuries and apparently minimal damage. Iran says they are done attacking if the US is done attacking.
Democrats: OMG!!!!!! This is the worst thing ever! It's all Trump's fault we were attacked!!!!!!!!!

Would it kill any of you Democrats to just admit for once you were wrong, the media and Democratic politicians lied to you, and Trump did a great job? Just once? Can you manage it?

[Parkbandit]

That tweet yesterday, “All is well! Everything is fine!” It almost seemed like he was scared that he started something serious he couldn’t undo. Like he crashed his daddy’s Ferrari and he’s looking at the damage trying to calm himself down ,” that’ll buff right out, eeveything is fine!”

You are still so shaken by his tweet!

You are the real victim here. You better get to your closest shelter.

[Tgo01]

Trump kills a terrorist.
Democrats: OMG! Trump just got us involved in WW3!!!

Iran fires missiles at an Iraqi base housing US troops.
Democrats: Thank god Iran leadership is more restrained than Trump is! They just saved us from WW3 that Trump started!!!

What a bunch of jokers Democrats are.

[Methais]

This was the worst WW3 ever.


That tweet yesterday, “All is well! Everything is fine!” It almost seemed like he was scared that he started something serious he couldn’t undo. Like he crashed his daddy’s Ferrari and he’s looking at the damage trying to calm himself down ,” that’ll buff right out, eeveything is fine!”

https://media3.giphy.com/media/L8XuphFGqlSfe/source.gif

Does talk of Iran give you PTSD too?

[Tgo01]

Democrats are so powerless and so pissed off that WW3 only lasted half a day with no US casualties that the House passed a measure that would require Trump to get to get congressional approval before he can attack Iran again.

Ever notice the Democrats seem to represent every country EXCEPT the US?

[Tgo01]

Hey look at that, looks like Iran probably did shoot down that civilian plane.

I love the ever changing narrative of the disgusting left and media on this issue:

Democrats and media (but I repeat myself): Iran did nothing wrong! It was engine failure! It's just a coincidence it happened shortly after Iran attacked Iraqi bases housing American troops! LEAVE IRAN ALONE!!!!!

When it turns out Iran probably did shoot the plane down.

Democrats and media: Oh, well, this is Trump's fault for pissing off Iran!

Iran attacks a US embassy.
Democrats: Trump has made us weak! What a Russian stooge!

Trump kills an Iranian terrorist responsible for said attack on a US embassy.
Democrats: OMG! Trump just started WW3!!!! Now he's talking about committing war crimes! We must impeach!

Iran LITERALLY commits a war crime by firing rockets at a civilian plane.
Democrats: Well Trump started it!

Fuck any Democrat repeating this bullshit.

[Tgo01]

And in case any of you think I'm making this shit up, just look at the way the AP is covering the latest news that Iran most likely shot down that civilian plane:

An Iranian general dies in U.S. attack, and innocents suffer (https://apnews.com/57500c1f2b13b7f29431f0900698dcf5?utm_campaign=Soci alFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter)

Boom! Right there in the headline. Not that an Iranian terrorist was killed, but that an Iranian "general" "dies" after a US attack, and then "innocents suffer", as if the US attack on that terrorist caused innocents to suffer.

Later in the story:


By late Thursday, Western leaders said that Iran had most likely shot down the jetliner with a surface-to-air missile — probably by accident.

Look at this shit. "Yeah Iran shot it down....probably by accident though!!!!!"

Then two sentences later:


Instead, what had begun with a drone attack on Gen. Qassem Soleimani’s motorcade at the Baghdad airport had suddenly rippled outward until dozens of Iranian-Canadians, dozens of Iranian students studying in Canada, were dead.

Look at this fucked up, twisted way to pin the blame on the US and Trump. "It started out as a drone strike against an Iranian general then next thing you know dozens of Iranians and Canadians were dead!!!!!"

The media proving Trump is 1000% correct when he says fake news is the enemy of the people. You are pure evil if you are going along with this shit that Trump is to blame for Iran firing fucking rockets at a civilian airplane.

[Sile]

And in case any of you think I'm making this shit up, just look at the way the AP is covering the latest news that Iran most likely shot down that civilian plane:

An Iranian general dies in U.S. attack, and innocents suffer (https://apnews.com/57500c1f2b13b7f29431f0900698dcf5?utm_campaign=Soci alFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter)

Boom! Right there in the headline. Not that an Iranian terrorist was killed, but that an Iranian "general" "dies" after a US attack, and then "innocents suffer", as if the US attack on that terrorist caused innocents to suffer.

Later in the story:



Look at this shit. "Yeah Iran shot it down....probably by accident though!!!!!"

Then two sentences later:



Look at this fucked up, twisted way to pin the blame on the US and Trump. "It started out as a drone strike against an Iranian general then next thing you know dozens of Iranians and Canadians were dead!!!!!"

The media proving Trump is 1000% correct when he says fake news is the enemy of the people. You are pure evil if you are going along with this shit that Trump is to blame for Iran firing fucking rockets at a civilian airplane.

Our media in Canada is just as bad, I don't like our PM, but he is doing a good job with this so far. During the live news conference today, reporters were asking him if he could at least partially blame Trump.

I was like wtf...

Seems no matter what Trump does, he can do no good to some.

[Tgo01]

Our media in Canada is just as bad, I don't like our PM, but he is doing a good job with this so far. During the live news conference today, reporters were asking him if he could at least partially blame Trump.

I was like wtf...

Seems no matter what Trump does, he can do no good to some.

It really is amazing. Iran fires rockets at an airplane that TOOK OFF FROM THEIR OWN COUNTRY, and somehow Trump is to blame?

What did Soyboy Trudeu say by the way? Did he blame Trump, say don't blame Trump, or deflect like he usually does?

[Sile]

It really is amazing. Iran fires rockets at an airplane that TOOK OFF FROM THEIR OWN COUNTRY, and somehow Trump is to blame?

What did Soyboy Trudeu say by the way? Did he blame Trump, say don't blame Trump, or deflect like he usually does?

Trudeau actually handled it pretty good, I really dislike the guy, but he did come out and say it was an Iranian missile right off the bat. And he had to repeat himself over and over to the same question asked 50 different ways. But I can give credit where credit is due, he is handling this good. No indication he is going to blame trump and would only mention how Trump offered his help.

We have to remember, Trudeau's family is actually really close to the Trumps, even though they are at the opposite ends of the spectrum.

But our Media in Canada are pretty much always trying to find more Trump = Evil articles to post. It really is sad.

[Tgo01]

At least Trudeau didn't take the bait, I'll give him credit for that.

Surprised he didn't praise the mullahs in Iran like he did the Castros in Cuba.

[Sile]

At least Trudeau didn't take the bait, I'll give him credit for that.

Surprised he didn't praise the mullahs in Iran like he did the Castros in Cuba.

As the long standing rumor goes, he's actually fidel's son.

[Tgo01]

As the long standing rumor goes, he's actually fidel's son.

That would explain why he couldn't say enough nice things about him.

[Solkern]

It really is amazing. Iran fires rockets at an airplane that TOOK OFF FROM THEIR OWN COUNTRY, and somehow Trump is to blame?

What did Soyboy Trudeu say by the way? Did he blame Trump, say don't blame Trump, or deflect like he usually does?

Well, you could indirectly blame trump (although it’s idiotic to do so) because if he didn’t kill their guy, the Ukrainian airplane wouldn’t have been shot down.

Just going to repeat this: IT’S IDIOTIC TO DO SO.

[Tgo01]

Well, you could indirectly blame trump (although it’s idiotic to do so) because if he didn’t kill their guy, the Ukrainian airplane wouldn’t have been shot down.

Just going to repeat this: IT WOULD BE IDIOTIC TO DO SO.

Yeah that's the logic Democrats are employing and it's so stupid I don't even know where to begin.

Going by that logic I guess we could blame the founding fathers because if the founding fathers hadn't made this great nation of ours then Iran wouldn't have fired rockets at a civilian plane.

[Tgo01]

Remember how it was the end of the world after Trump killed this terrorist because gas prices shot up and everyone feared 10 dollars a gallon gas?

Yeah gas prices are already now lower than they were before Trump killed that terrorist.

Almost as if killing a terrorist who was disrupting oil production in the area and creating more turmoil in the Middle East actually helps the region and not make it worse.

I ain't tired of winning yet!

[Methais]

And in case any of you think I'm making this shit up, just look at the way the AP is covering the latest news that Iran most likely shot down that civilian plane:

An Iranian general dies in U.S. attack, and innocents suffer (https://apnews.com/57500c1f2b13b7f29431f0900698dcf5?utm_campaign=Soci alFlow&utm_medium=AP&utm_source=Twitter)

Boom! Right there in the headline. Not that an Iranian terrorist was killed, but that an Iranian "general" "dies" after a US attack, and then "innocents suffer", as if the US attack on that terrorist caused innocents to suffer.

Later in the story:



Look at this shit. "Yeah Iran shot it down....probably by accident though!!!!!"

Then two sentences later:



Look at this fucked up, twisted way to pin the blame on the US and Trump. "It started out as a drone strike against an Iranian general then next thing you know dozens of Iranians and Canadians were dead!!!!!"

The media proving Trump is 1000% correct when he says fake news is the enemy of the people. You are pure evil if you are going along with this shit that Trump is to blame for Iran firing fucking rockets at a civilian airplane.

Using that logic, this is all actually Obama's fault because 8 years of Obama is why we have Trump. We should retroactively impeach Obama over this.

Thanks Obama.

[audioserf]

Using that logic, this is all actually Obama's fault because 8 years of Obama is why we have Trump. We should retroactively impeach Obama over this.

Thanks Obama.

You were being sarcastic but I straight up agree with all of this, 8 years of complete impotence and not actually improving any Americans lives in a material way is literally why we have Trump. Obama used a lot of nice sounding language and gave speeches that made people feel good about themselves but he accomplished almost nothing and set the stage perfectly for any Republican to trash HRC, lol that it ended up being dude from the Apprentice

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You were being sarcastic but I straight up agree with all of this, 8 years of complete impotence and not actually improving any Americans lives in a material way is literally why we have Trump. Obama used a lot of nice sounding language and gave speeches that made people feel good about themselves but he accomplished almost nothing and set the stage perfectly for any Republican to trash HRC, lol that it ended up being dude from the Apprentice

Agreed, Obama is why we have Trump. No question about it.

[Methais]

Agreed, Obama is why we have Trump. No question about it.

And BacKKKlash. Millions of BacKKKlashes.

[RichardCranium]

And BacKKKlash. Millions of BacKKKlashes.

Yeah but they won the popular vote.

[Methais]

Yeah but they won the NY and CA vote.

Yes.

[Tgo01]

Looks like all of the Democrats in this thread like Back went back into hibernation until the media calls them up again for the next big faux outrage which will end in disappointment for them yet again.

I’m guessing we will see some activity again when the media once again hypes up the impeachment trial that will of course end in disaster for Democrats but they will somehow spin it as a success.

[Tgo01]

Iran has finally admitted they shot down the commercial plane.

Do you Democrats ever tire of losing and being raging hypocrites?

First Democrats and the media were busy rushing out Iran's version of events that it was "engine failure."

Then when intelligence from several countries were like naww dawg, it was Iran! The narrative quickly shifted to "Yeah but Iran denies it and even if it's true HOW MUCH OF THIS IS TRUMP'S FAULT?!?!?"

Now that Iran is fully admitting it I can't wait to see what the final word from Democrats will be.

[Astray]

Iran blames increased radar activity and fear of US aggression as cause for downed Ukrainian aircraft

What aggression?

[Tgo01]

What aggression?

The ones in their mind. If I didn't know any better I would say the media is working directly with the Iranian government at this point.

Seriously. The media has been running with this narrative for the past 24+ hours and now that Iran finally has no choice but to admit they shot the plane down they are using the same line of defense that the media has been pushing for them.

It almost sounds as if Iran gave them this narrative to run with to soften the blow for them for when they finally had to admit the truth.

I didn't see much "Prove it, Trumpie!" going on in regards to Trump saying Iran shot down the plane. The usual "Trump claimed, without evidence" bullshit the media usually pushes was absent from their articles. It's like the media knew all along Iran shot down the plane and had to quickly pivot to blame Trump. Because the fake news media has confirmed once and for all that they are indeed the enemy of the people.

[Tgo01]

Trump kills one Iranian, a terror leader.

Iran then proceeds to create a stampede during this terror leader's funeral which resulted in 40+ Iranian civilian deaths.

Iran then shot down a plane within their own territory that took off from an airport within their borders which resulted in 80+ Iranian civilian deaths.

But clearly the Iranian government loves their people and Trump hates Iranian people.

[Solkern]

HATES THEM!!

[Solkern]

Iran has finally admitted they shot down the commercial plane.

Do you Democrats ever tire of losing and being raging hypocrites?

First Democrats and the media were busy rushing out Iran's version of events that it was "engine failure."

Then when intelligence from several countries were like naww dawg, it was Iran! The narrative quickly shifted to "Yeah but Iran denies it and even if it's true HOW MUCH OF THIS IS TRUMP'S FAULT?!?!?"

Now that Iran is fully admitting it I can't wait to see what the final word from Democrats will be.

Hey hey hey! I personally lean democratic, but I also don’t follow liberal news blindly

[Parkbandit]

Hey hey hey! I personally lean democratic, but I also don’t follow liberal news blindly

But you hide it so, so well... no one could have known that.

Like at all.

Really.

[Methais]

Looks like all of the Democrats in this thread like Back went back into hibernation until the media calls them up again for the next big faux outrage which will end in disappointment for them yet again.

I’m guessing we will see some activity again when the media once again hypes up the impeachment trial that will of course end in disaster for Democrats but they will somehow spin it as a success.

This is correct.

[Methais]

Hey hey hey! I personally lean democratic, but I also don’t follow liberal news blindly

Leaning democrat in the US currently means leaning socialist, because the party has been hijacked by socialists.

[Parkbandit]

Leaning democrat in the US currently means leaning socialist, because the party has been hijacked by socialists.

He's Russian.. they prefer socialism because all they've known is communism and that didn't turn out so well... THIS time, socialism will work!

[Methais]

He's Russian.. they prefer socialism because all they've known is communism and that didn't turn out so well... THIS time, socialism will work!

I thought he was an American that just lives in Russia?

[Ashlander]

I thought he was an American that just lives in Russia?

Sounds like one of them russian bots to me.

[Tgo01]

Democrats: OMG! That terrorist was an Iranian general who was beloved by the Iranian people! Trump just started WW3!!!!!
Iran shoots down a passenger plane, killing 70+ Iranian citizens.
Iranian citizens way more pissed off about their own government murdering 70+ of its own citizens than they are about the US killing a terrorist.
Democrats: Why are there so many white supremacists in Iran?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I'm not sure where I stand on the whole Iranian thing (other than I hope we blow the shit out of the terrorists).

But imagine if you will...

In the US, some flight takes off, and the US military shoots it down with 200+ civilians on board.

What would happen? Would we hate our government? Hate our elected officials? Riot in the streets? Arm ourselves to overthrow the government.

100% serious question.

[Tgo01]

I'm not sure where I stand on the whole Iranian thing (other than I hope we blow the shit out of the terrorists).

But imagine if you will...

In the US, some flight takes off, and the US military shoots it down with 200+ civilians on board.

What would happen? Would we hate our government? Hate our elected officials? Riot in the streets? Arm ourselves to overthrow the government.

100% serious question.

I think the US would be smart enough to ground all flights if they had just fired rockets at another country and expected a retaliation.

I also think in this situation the US would try to make contact with the plane before shooting it down.

But assuming our government and military is just as incompetent as the Iranian is here is what I think would happen:

If we had a Democrat president:
Republicans would bitch and complain on the internet about how dumb the president is.
Democrats would say "Now now, it was an accident."

If we had a Republican president:
Some Republicans would bitch and complain on the internet, some would be saying "Now now, it was an accident."
99.99% of Democrats would be rioting in the streets, calling the president Hitler, and demand he be executed for treason.

I also think a large part of this was the lies and attempted coverup. I think the US would have known right away and taken responsibility for it, or at the very least waited until an investigation concluded.

Iran and Iranian state TV...my bad! American "news" was busy peddling Iran's lies that it was "engine failure" at first, then when countries started saying no Iran, you shot it down, they were like impossible! That's just lies by the great Satan!

[Astray]

The guy that admitted to killing a bunch of people is kind of sad. He claims to have panicked and made what he believed, at the moment, was the correct decision. If all that is true and he's just not the worlds best actor, that dude is very likely to kill himself.

[Tgo01]

The guy that admitted to killing a bunch of people is kind of sad. He claims to have panicked and made what he believed, at the moment, was the correct decision. If all that is true and he's just not the worlds best actor, that dude is very likely to kill himself.

Granted I know next to nothing about the proper procedures in this type of situation, but shouldn't it be up to just more than one guy to fire a missile at a plane?

Isn't there protocols for this type of thing with needing to get confirmation first and all of that? Kind of a scary thought that one guy can just unilaterally decide to shoot down a plane with having no idea if it's a friendly target or a hostile target.

[Methais]

The guy that admitted to killing a bunch of people is kind of sad. He claims to have panicked and made what he believed, at the moment, was the correct decision. If all that is true and he's just not the worlds best actor, that dude is very likely to kill himself. Unlike Jeffrey Epstein.

Fixed.

[Tgo01]

Mike Turner, member of the House Intelligence Committee: Yeah Iran attacked our embassy and they clearly hate us, just look at their entire parliament chanting "Death to America", so clearly they want to attack Americans and American interests.
CNN fake news bitch and traitor Erin Burnett: Yeah but when Iranians chant "Death to America" they aren't being serious!!!!!!

Who the fuck watches CNN anymore? You would have to be the most despicable and brain dead person ever to think you are being informed by watching CNN. Oh wait, I just described Back.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=m_CgFwBN4N4

[Tgo01]

Iran arrested the UK ambassador to Iran and kept him detained for over an hour.

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-7877079/Britains-ambassador-Iran-ARRESTED-photographing-protesters-Tehran-clash.html

I can't wait to hear all of the leftist spin on this one. Or most likely they will just ignore it and pretend it never happened because they can't fit enough Iranian cock in their mouth.

[Solkern]

I thought he was an American that just lives in Russia?
You thought right!

[Solkern]

He's Russian.. they prefer socialism because all they've known is communism and that didn't turn out so well... THIS time, socialism will work!

Socialism is just communism in disguise!!

[Solkern]

Sounds like one of them russian bots to me.

Maybe I am... maybe I’m not! You’ll never know!!

[Back]

Looks like all of the Democrats in this thread like Back went back into hibernation until the media calls them up again for the next big faux outrage which will end in disappointment for them yet again.

I’m guessing we will see some activity again when the media once again hypes up the impeachment trial that will of course end in disaster for Democrats but they will somehow spin it as a success.

Theres not much point to posting when the radicalized Trump fascists on this board engage in relentless personal vendettas over ANY opinions, political or otherwise, they disagree with.

No one wants to engage with vulgar liars whose only goal is chaos for the lulz or people who use politics to vilify individuals IRL.

You, for example, have already clearly decided what my opinion is whether I post something you deliberately misconstrue to suit your own political agenda or when I do not post or respond to something you take it as evidence of some other made up opinion.

Whats the point?

[Parkbandit]

Theres not much point to posting when the radicalized Trump fascists on this board engage in relentless personal vendettas over ANY opinions, political or otherwise, they disagree with.

No one wants to engage with vulgar liars whose only goal is chaos for the lulz or people who use politics to vilify individuals IRL.

You, for example, have already clearly decided what my opinion is whether I post something you deliberately misconstrue to suit your own political agenda or when I do not post or respond to something you take it as evidence of some other made up opinion.

Whats the point?

I'm sorry WWIII didn't start and now the people of Iran have stood up and started protesting their own government. This was not the outcome you had hoped so hard for.

[Back]

I'm sorry WWIII didn't start and now the people of Iran have stood up and started protesting their own government. This was not the outcome you had hoped so hard for.

Sad thing is you and other internet trolls have actually convinced yourselves that this is true. You've been trolling for so long you've ultimately only trolled yourselves.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Whats the point?

We all have side bets on what the short dicked pedophile is going to say next, is the point.

I won the last one, where I said you'd play the victim cause we so mean to you IRL and would act like you are taking your toys and going home...

Now the next bet is how long it'll take you to come back and post something stupid, homophobic, racist, sexist and likely some creepy pedophile comment that makes us think we should call the cops to ensure you don't live within 100 yards of a school.

[Back]

We all have side bets on what the short dicked pedophile is going to say next, is the point.

I won the last one, where I said you'd play the victim cause we so mean to you IRL and would act like you are taking your toys and going home...

Now the next bet is how long it'll take you to come back and post something stupid, homophobic, racist, sexist and likely some creepy pedophile comment that makes us think we should call the cops to ensure you don't live within 100 yards of a school.

What are you so pissed about?

[Parkbandit]

Sad thing is you and other internet trolls have actually convinced yourselves that this is true. You've been trolling for so long you've ultimately only trolled yourselves.

Sure. Your desired outcome didn't come to fruition and once again your President has had the best interest of the country at heart.

It's like President Trump is playing chess.. and people like you are still learning how to play Chutes and Ladders.

[Alfster]

I'm sorry WWIII didn't start and now the people of Iran have stood up and started protesting their own government. This was not the outcome you had hoped so hard for.

They've been protesting since 2017...

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

They've been protesting since 2017...

AXSHULLY

They've been protesting for years. 1999, 2009, 2011, 2012, 2018, 2019. Pretty much since the Iranian Revolution, because it's a shithole country run by assholes.

But that doesn't change PB's point, that the short dicked pedophile was hoping for the worst outcome possible and is pissy it didn't happen.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What are you so pissed about?

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b723f46a1a0b10a0b900918232efb118/tenor.gif?itemid=8120625

[~Rocktar~]

https://media1.tenor.com/images/b723f46a1a0b10a0b900918232efb118/tenor.gif?itemid=8120625

LULZ!

[Methais]

Theres not much point to posting when the radicalized Trump fascists on this board engage in relentless personal vendettas over ANY opinions, political or otherwise, they disagree with.

No one wants to engage with vulgar liars whose only goal is chaos for the lulz or people who use politics to vilify individuals IRL.

You, for example, have already clearly decided what my opinion is whether I post something you deliberately misconstrue to suit your own political agenda or when I do not post or respond to something you take it as evidence of some other made up opinion.

Whats the point?

Just quit being the biggest retard in PC history and you’ll have a better time.

Remember when you were Chillmonster though? Good times. :lol:

[Back]

Sure. Your desired outcome didn't come to fruition and once again your President has had the best interest of the country at heart.

It's like President Trump is playing chess.. and people like you are still learning how to play Chutes and Ladders.

Except... it was people like SHM who were the ones calling for WWIII with Iran. What you are trying to claim does not even make any sense. Its a product of your ignorance and a desperate attempt to mask it.

There is no mistaking this president's lack of experience, his lying about everything, how he is always changing his stories, backpeddaling, and his utter lack of caring about anyone or anything but himself including you after he gets your vote.

[Back]

Just quit being the biggest retard in PC history and you’ll have a better time.

Remember when you were Chillmonster though? Good times. :lol:

Not that it makes any difference to you but wrong again. Tough luck.

[Astray]

Just quit being the biggest retard in PC history and you’ll have a better time.

Remember when you were Chillmonster though? Good times. :lol:

Reading anything to do with that handle is fucking cringe.

[Tgo01]

Theres not much point to posting when the radicalized Trump fascists on this board engage in relentless personal vendettas over ANY opinions, political or otherwise, they disagree with.

No one wants to engage with vulgar liars whose only goal is chaos for the lulz or people who use politics to vilify individuals IRL.

You, for example, have already clearly decided what my opinion is whether I post something you deliberately misconstrue to suit your own political agenda or when I do not post or respond to something you take it as evidence of some other made up opinion.

Whats the point?

You had no problem posting when you thought Trump started WW3 and he was literally Hitler. It wasn’t until Iran murdered 170 people by shooting down a plane that you got all quiet and overly sealionly. Strange how that works.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

US war with Iran is FAR from WW3. It's a bunch of terrorists getting bombed to shit. China and Russia will rapidly retreat from supporting terrorists the second we smoked them out. Only a faggot like Backrash believes it'd be WW3.

Why so feminine Backrash? Why so short dicked pedophile, Backrash? Go back to busing tables.

[Methais]

Not that it makes any difference to you but wrong again. Tough luck.

Which thing am I wrong about? You being a retard? Or you being Chillmonster during your chronic meltdown days?

[Methais]

Except... it was people like SHM who were the ones calling for WWIII with Iran. What you are trying to claim does not even make any sense. Its a product of your ignorance and a desperate attempt to mask it.

There is no mistaking this president's lack of experience, his lying about everything, how he is always changing his stories, backpeddaling, and his utter lack of caring about anyone or anything but himself including you after he gets your vote.

Someone forgot to take their Metamucil today.

[Back]

You had no problem posting when you thought Trump started WW3 and he was literally Hitler. It wasn’t until Iran murdered 170 people by shooting down a plane that you got all quiet and overly sealionly. Strange how that works.

Aww, you missed me. Hey, it was only 5 whole days. Sorry sport.

But again, just make up in your head what your radicalized brain thinks I'll post or why I haven't posted. Its not like you read my posts for what they are anyway.

[Back]

US war with Iran is FAR from WW3. It's a bunch of terrorists getting bombed to shit. China and Russia will rapidly retreat from supporting terrorists the second we smoked them out. Only a faggot like Backrash believes it'd be WW3.

Why so feminine Backrash? Why so short dicked pedophile, Backrash? Go back to busing tables.

You're really flexing hard for someone so successful they brag about it on a message board for a dying 30 year old text based game to all the losers who will read it.

Just stop already. You're proven how big of a bigot you are. You've stated your loyalty to a lying bumbling jackass of a president. No need to burst a forehead vein over it.

[Back]

What happened with that flight that was shot down was a tragedy. Just as much as the other Ukrainian jet that was shot down when Russia annexed Crimea. This is what all the war mongers who love to shout "BOMB THE MOTHERFUCKEZRS" forget about. The collateral damage. Its heartbreaking that those people and their families have to suffer because of impotent pricks with penis size issues.

Our government is telling us Iran is the enemy, Iran is telling its people America is the enemy. Its all bullshit. But its bullshit that scared ignorant people eat up and ask for seconds before they go to the polls to vote for who they think will protect them from these non-existent boogie men. Both countries do it, both parties do it, and all of them do it to keep themselves in power while they squeeze every last drop of blood from the middle class.

We are all being played while getting shot down in the crossfire.

[~Rocktar~]

Since there was no Ukranian air force in the annexation and in the "unrest" only Russian, there was no "crossfire" the Russians downed the jet for whatever reason. There was a theory going around about how it had a bunch of scientists that debunked the climate crisis hoax or some shit. I didn't follow up on it but yeah, no crossfire. It's kinda like when the USSR shot down a 747 and it all died down precisely BECAUSE no one wants to start WWIII over shit like that.

https://scontent-atl3-1.xx.fbcdn.net/v/t1.0-9/s960x960/81836743_2719501031430918_6692730224620077056_o.jp g?_nc_cat=1&_nc_ohc=atxs9HdOobQAX8690N5&_nc_ht=scontent-atl3-1.xx&_nc_tp=1&oh=9ead422e85f779ba62a278b02d2b2828&oe=5E9FD5FC

And amazingly enough, somewhat real journalism from the NYT:

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/01/09/world/middleeast/civilian-planes-shot-down.html

It's almost like people don't want a war unless it will make Trump look bad or help the globalist Socialist agenda.

[Tgo01]

Aww, you missed me.

You’re just so predictable. Your only purpose in life is to shit on Trump and suck the dick of actual terrorists and tyrants such as this terrorist and the Iranian regime who murdered 180 innocent people in an attempt to make the US look bad.

In short you are a waste of space and resources. Do something useful with your sad and pathetic life.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

You're really flexing hard for someone so successful they brag about it on a message board for a dying 30 year old text based game to all the losers who will read it.

Just stop already. You're proven how big of a bigot you are. You've stated your loyalty to a lying bumbling jackass of a president. No need to burst a forehead vein over it.

Sorry, I couldn't hear you over the pedophile.

edit to add: Yes, I'm super successful. I'm the fucking American dream. You are just whats left over after an abortion and you like kids because they have small hands for your tiny penis.

[~Rocktar~]

I'm the fucking American dream.

WHAT?!??!! You are Dusty Rhodes? WOW!

</sarcasm>

[Parkbandit]

They've been protesting since 2017...

Using your "logic", we've been protesting in the US since 1776.

They are currently protesting their leaders for lying about the shooting down of a jet.

Stop being so triggered. It'll be ok, even if Trump is re-elected.

[Parkbandit]

Not that it makes any difference to you but wrong again. Tough luck.

What specifically is he wrong about?

1) You are the biggest retard in PC history?
2) You used the login of "Chillmonster" on this forum?
3) That when you were using "Chillmonster" it was good times on the forums?

1 & 2 are factually correct.

3 is probably not not, if you are looking at it from your standpoint. You said you were leaving and then came back as Chillmonster... and me outting you was probably pretty upsetting to you.

[Parkbandit]

Except... it was people like SHM who were the ones calling for WWIII with Iran. What you are trying to claim does not even make any sense. Its a product of your ignorance and a desperate attempt to mask it.

LOLWUT?

Dude... stop.


There is no mistaking this president's lack of experience, his lying about everything, how he is always changing his stories, backpeddaling, and his utter lack of caring about anyone or anything but himself including you after he gets your vote.

He doesn't personally know me.. but he's gave me an extra $12K in 2019.. so I'm pretty happy with him so far. I was also able to secure another contract, hire 3 more people and pay off another home. All in all, 2019 was a good year.

[Tgo01]

But, like, honestly now, when do you Democrats realize every prediction by Democrats and the media have been wrong? When do you realize Trump was right on just about every single thing he has set out to do? When do you realize you have been played since Trump announced he was running for president and honestly for many years before that?

Remember how blacks and other minorities were going to lose their civil rights? Remember how that was a lie?
Remember how gays were going to be forced into conversation camps? Remember when that didn't happen?
Remember how Trump was going to start so many wars? Remember that was another lie?
Remember how Trump was going to give Russia every thing they wanted? Remember how Trump has been bending over their economy and fucking it hard while also fucking with them in the Middle East?
Remember how Trump's trade war with China was going to fuck every consumers and farmers? Remember how the US economy has only gotten stronger, inflation has remained really low, and Trump used the money from tariffs to take care of the farmers?
Remember how Trump's border wall was going to cost too much? Remember how it didn't?
Remember how Trump was going to push all of our allies away? Remember how he got our allies to increase their military spending which is also something Russia doesn't want?
Remember how Trump was going to start WW3 over Iran? Remember how Iran shot down a plane, murdering 180 civilians and got pretty much the entire world (except Democrats and the media of course) pissed at them?

What more will it take for you to realize you've been lied to and manipulated and Trump is doing a good job? Does he have to cure cancer AND the common cold for you to realize this? Or would you then fall for the media spin that curing too many diseases at once puts too many doctors out of work?

[Methais]

because they have small hands for your tiny penis.

:lol:


WHAT?!??!! You are Dusty Rhodes? WOW!


https://youtu.be/MfJJXIr1gzQ

[Solkern]

I’m 99% sure they are only protesting because the majority of the deaths were Iranians.... if it was Americans or whatever.. they’d be cheering in the streets or if it was Canadians or something else, they wouldn’t care.

[Solkern]

But, like, honestly now, when do you Democrats realize every prediction by Democrats and the media have been wrong? When do you realize Trump was right on just about every single thing he has set out to do? When do you realize you have been played since Trump announced he was running for president and honestly for many years before that?

Remember how blacks and other minorities were going to lose their civil rights? Remember how that was a lie?
Remember how gays were going to be forced into conversation camps? Remember when that didn't happen?
Remember how Trump was going to start so many wars? Remember that was another lie?
Remember how Trump was going to give Russia every thing they wanted? Remember how Trump has been bending over their economy and fucking it hard while also fucking with them in the Middle East?
Remember how Trump's trade war with China was going to fuck every consumers and farmers? Remember how the US economy has only gotten stronger, inflation has remained really low, and Trump used the money from tariffs to take care of the farmers?
Remember how Trump's border wall was going to cost too much? Remember how it didn't?
Remember how Trump was going to push all of our allies away? Remember how he got our allies to increase their military spending which is also something Russia doesn't want?
Remember how Trump was going to start WW3 over Iran? Remember how Iran shot down a plane, murdering 180 civilians and got pretty much the entire world (except Democrats and the media of course) pissed at them?

What more will it take for you to realize you've been lied to and manipulated and Trump is doing a good job? Does he have to cure cancer AND the common cold for you to realize this? Or would you then fall for the media spin that curing too many diseases at once puts too many doctors out of work?


Except building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for :D

[~Rocktar~]

Except building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for :D

Increased tariffs on imports from Mexico.

[Tgo01]

Except building a wall that Mexico is going to pay for :D

Honestly if that's all Democrats have left to cling to then it just might be time to disband the Democratic party altogether and let another party fill the vacuum.

[Solkern]

Increased tariffs on imports from Mexico.

That gov’t doesn’t get that money from China or Mexico ... you do realize that right?

And you do realiZe that the American consumers are paying the tariff...

Tariffs are a tax on imports. They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States. Importers often pass the costs of tariffs on to customers - manufacturers and consumers in the United States - by raising their prices.


Edited to add China and Mexico

[Solkern]

Honestly if that's all Democrats have left to cling to then it just might be time to disband the Democratic party altogether and let another party fill the vacuum.

Hey, let the Far left wings have something....

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That gov’t doesn’t get that money from China or Mexico ... you do realize that right?

And you do realiZe that the American consumers are paying the tariff...

Tariffs are a tax on imports. They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States. Importers often pass the costs of tariffs on to customers - manufacturers and consumers in the United States - by raising their prices.


Edited to add China and Mexico

This would be 100% accurate, except we trade with more places than just Mexico. The thing about tariffs... if there is a wide market, it only hurts the country the tariffs are on. This includes the US - Do you think China just stopped needing soybeans? Or do you think perhaps they started getting them from south America? Because that's what they did.

Some businesses might, in the short term, pass on the cost to consumers. But if you can get the product elsewhere, without the tariff (i.e. cheaper)... believe me, they are going there.

[Solkern]

This would be 100% accurate, except we trade with more places than just Mexico. The thing about tariffs... if there is a wide market, it only hurts the country the tariffs are on. This includes the US - Do you think China just stopped needing soybeans? Or do you think perhaps they started getting them from south America? Because that's what they did.

Some businesses might, in the short term, pass on the cost to consumers. But if you can get the product elsewhere, without the tariff (i.e. cheaper)... believe me, they are going there.

Yup, not disputing you at all, complete agree with you! It was to answer the other poster who implied “ we slapped tariffs on Mexico so they are paying for the wall.”


Are you also saying the soybean tariff is hurting America, because China is getting its soybeans from Brazil now?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Yup, not disputing you at all, it was to answer the other poster who implied “ we slapped tariffs on Mexico so they are paying for the wall.”


Are you also saying the soybean tariff is hurting America, because China is getting its soybeans from Brazil now?

Yes, exactly that.

[ClydeR]

Time for a new Defense Secretary?

Mark Esper, current Defense Secretary, has been in office nearly 6 months. I'm already getting tired of him. First, he was not very loyal at all in the Navy Seal war crimes investigations, when he only reluctantly disbanded the review board upon Trump's orders. Then, he went on the teevee yesterday and contradicted Trump's assertion on Fox News on Friday that Iran was about to attack four of our embassies. How long will Trump tolerate Esper?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Time for a new Defense Secretary?

Mark Esper, current Defense Secretary, has been in office nearly 6 months. I'm already getting tired of him. First, he was not very loyal at all in the Navy Seal war crimes investigations, when he only reluctantly disbanded the review board upon Trump's orders. Then, he went on the teevee yesterday and contradicted Trump's assertion on Fox News on Friday that Iran was about to attack four of our embassies. How long will Trump tolerate Esper?

Time for the Chiefs defense to get better. About as useful as your post.

[Seran]

Are you also saying the soybean tariff is hurting America, because China is getting its soybeans from Brazil now?

That is precisely how outbound tariffs an excise taxes work. If the buyer finds a cheaper product and decides to buy elsewhere, then only American soybean farmers suffer. It's a pretty huge political bombshell, which is why you see so many farm subsidies and bailouts going out right now.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

That is precisely how outbound tariffs an excise taxes work. If the buyer finds a cheaper product and decides to buy elsewhere, then only American soybean farmers suffer. It's a pretty huge political bombshell, which is why you see so many farm subsidies and bailouts going out right now.

If you believe Trump, China is signing on to buying more Soybeans.

I don't believe it's a bombshell though, we'll just make something else. My family are farmers, and that's what they do.

[Solkern]

If you believe Trump, China is signing on to buying more Soybeans.

I don't believe it's a bombshell though, we'll just make something else. My family are farmers, and that's what they do.

According to news here, China isn’t (currently in Guangzhou) they are quite content with what they are getting elsewhere

[Back]

That is precisely how outbound tariffs an excise taxes work. If the buyer finds a cheaper product and decides to buy elsewhere, then only American soybean farmers suffer. It's a pretty huge political bombshell, which is why you see so many farm subsidies and bailouts going out right now.

Trump's farm bailout, which was a result if his actions, cost more than twice the auto industry bailout, which was caused by Bush's polices. Who said republicans don't like socialism? Oh, right, only when it's their rich buddies who need bailouts.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Trump's farm bailout, which was a result if his actions, cost more than twice the auto industry bailout, which was caused by Bush's polices. Who said republicans don't like socialism? Oh, right, only when it's their rich buddies who need bailouts.

You are so stupid.

[Methais]

Trump's farm bailout, which was a result if his actions, cost more than twice the auto industry bailout, which was caused by Bush's polices. Who said republicans don't like socialism? Oh, right, only when it's their rich buddies who need bailouts.

Farmers are rich now?

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

Farmers are rich now?

Did you notice how he skipped 8 years of Obama? He's classically trained in being retarded.

[Methais]

Did you notice how he skipped 8 years of Obama? He's classically trained in being retarded.

He’s a natural.

[~Rocktar~]

That gov’t doesn’t get that money from China or Mexico ... you do realize that right?

And you do realiZe that the American consumers are paying the tariff...

Tariffs are a tax on imports. They are paid by U.S.-registered firms to U.S. customs for the goods they import into the United States. Importers often pass the costs of tariffs on to customers - manufacturers and consumers in the United States - by raising their prices.


Edited to add China and Mexico

You do realize that increased taxes usually result in decreased consumption and loss of market share does make them pay for it indirectly? And then there is the whole lowering of tariffs on our goods in an effort to get back in good graces.

You do realize that in the end, anyone that trades with us ends up subsidized by the US consumer because of unfair and unequal tariffs and the trade deficit?

You do realize that had the Dems not been such whiners and the soft shell RINOS like McCain and others that we would be much farther along with the wall, in better shape economically with less strain on our government services and there would be a lot less cost to the over all project?

But then again, for the Leftists it's not about doing what's right, it's about a pure power grab to flood the country with low IQ potential voters, cram through some kind of amnesty and voting rights and subjugate the people with their lies and criminal actions before the people catch on.

[Solkern]

You do realize that increased taxes usually result in decreased consumption and loss of market share does make them pay for it indirectly? And then there is the whole lowering of tariffs on our goods in an effort to get back in good graces.

You do realize that in the end, anyone that trades with us ends up subsidized by the US consumer because of unfair and unequal tariffs and the trade deficit?

You do realize that had the Dems not been such whiners and the soft shell RINOS like McCain and others that we would be much farther along with the wall, in better shape economically with less strain on our government services and there would be a lot less cost to the over all project?

But then again, for the Leftists it's not about doing what's right, it's about a pure power grab to flood the country with low IQ potential voters, cram through some kind of amnesty and voting rights and subjugate the people with their lies and criminal actions before the people catch on.

No it doesn’t make them pay indirectly, ...like SHM said earlier, short term effects of tariffs get paid by Americans, and money paid for the tariffs US companies pay... or the US loses business as Mexico will look elsewhere. We the people are paying for the wall.
Mexico is not paying for any of the wall in any way.

Why do you always push leftists vs rightist? I’m in the middle, I support a lot of what trump does, and also disagree with a lot that he does. I don’t look at things strictly liberal or conservative

I think everyone here except you, can see that the US is paying for the wall.. not Mexico.
Even Fox admits it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/trumps-fox-and-friends-pals-finally-concede-mexico-aint-paying-for-that-wall-73a6f995126b/amp/

Personally I think the wall is a waste of money, it could be used better ways to stop illegal immigrants and drugs being brought into the country.

End of the day, we are all immigrants, I don’t support illegal immigrants. But I do wish we had a better process for immigrants to enter the country legally.

[Tgo01]

Looks like Trudeau is going full retard. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-canada-trudeau/canadas-trudeau-iran-plane-victims-would-be-alive-had-there-been-no-regional-tensions-idUSKBN1ZC2H0)


“I think if there were no tensions, if there was no escalation recently in the region, those Canadians would be right now home with their families,” Trudeau said in the interview.

[Sile]

Looks like Trudeau is going full retard. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-canada-trudeau/canadas-trudeau-iran-plane-victims-would-be-alive-had-there-been-no-regional-tensions-idUSKBN1ZC2H0)

Yeah, and I was starting to respect the guy a little...

[Parkbandit]

Yeah, and I was starting to respect the guy a little...

He's unliked in his own country.. and has to play to his support base.

He's a politician, firsts and foremost.

[Methais]

Looks like Trudeau is going full retard. (https://www.reuters.com/article/us-iran-crash-canada-trudeau/canadas-trudeau-iran-plane-victims-would-be-alive-had-there-been-no-regional-tensions-idUSKBN1ZC2H0)


Trudeau said Canada did not receive a heads up before the United States killed Soleimani, and that he “obviously” would have preferred one.

What a fucking tard. :lol:

[~Rocktar~]

No it doesn’t make them pay indirectly, ...like SHM said earlier, short term effects of tariffs get paid by Americans, and money paid for the tariffs US companies pay... or the US loses business as Mexico will look elsewhere. We the people are paying for the wall.
Mexico is not paying for any of the wall in any way.

So where is Mexico going to get that business? Of there were such great and plentiful markets for them, don't you think they would be out there already? Everyone wants to sell to use because we have money. Economically, a lot of other countries don't have the ability to buy as much product, shipping costs are higher to them from Mexico and so aren't as competitive. Facts are facts, they will be hurt by continuing this crap and tariffs can have a punishing effect on their economy and they know it. Why else would they take steps to prevent the convoys of invaders?


Why do you always push leftists vs rightist? I’m in the middle, I support a lot of what trump does, and also disagree with a lot that he does. I don’t look at things strictly liberal or conservative

I didn't say one damn thing about you yet you take it as about you. Ego much?


I think everyone here except you, can see that the US is paying for the wall.. not Mexico.
Even Fox admits it: https://www.google.com/amp/s/thinkprogress.org/trumps-fox-and-friends-pals-finally-concede-mexico-aint-paying-for-that-wall-73a6f995126b/amp/

Fox also have commentators saying that the Trump impeachment is the right thing. Unlike the Left, I can actually disagree with the predominate news media that generally supports my positions most of the time. The Left is far more in lock step with their overlords marching orders.


Personally I think the wall is a waste of money, it could be used better ways to stop illegal immigrants and drugs being brought into the country.

Really, because we have spent a shit ton of money trying to stem the flow of invaders, drugs and squatters from crossing the border so far and they have employed all the latest technology, after all Obama and Hillary said so. It has already had a chilling effect and there are some dramatic visible effects from locations where it has been built. Walls work, they are not perfect, they do work and so far nothing else has cut human trafficking across the border better than a good solid wall.


End of the day, we are all immigrants, I don’t support illegal immigrants. But I do wish we had a better process for immigrants to enter the country legally.

Really, you are a naturalized citizen? If so congratulations, good job following the law. I was born here, my parents were born here, my grandparents were born here so I am not an immigrant. "We are all immigrants" is an intellectually lazy Leftist lie perpetrated to endear sympathy to criminals that flaunt our laws just to come here and continuing it as an argument is just bad.

We can agree that we need a better process for immigration and I believe we need less of it. Too bad both parties, when they have control of the Congress and Presidencey failed to pass through some real reform and instead focused on cramming an unconstitutional insurance scam down our throats and then spent 2 years fapping off and letting a bitter RINO child fail to vote to remove it with some "death bed" theatrics just because he wanted to put a personal grudge ahead of the country he swore to protect.

BTW, simple way to make Mexico and Central America pay for the wall quickly, 2% tax on all person to person money transfers leaving the US destined to Central and South America and the Caribbean with a couple million dollar fine for each occurrence of failure to collect the tax and any kind of sheltering or avoidance of the tax. Bam, paid for. Since there were a couple of years where cash flow from transfers to Mexico accounted for over 1/2 of their GDP I would say that would indeed make them pay for the wall.

[Solkern]

So where is Mexico going to get that business? Of there were such great and plentiful markets for them, don't you think they would be out there already? Everyone wants to sell to use because we have money. Economically, a lot of other countries don't have the ability to buy as much product, shipping costs are higher to them from Mexico and so aren't as competitive. Facts are facts, they will be hurt by continuing this crap and tariffs can have a punishing effect on their economy and they know it. Why else would they take steps to prevent the convoys of invaders?



I didn't say one damn thing about you yet you take it as about you. Ego much?



Fox also have commentators saying that the Trump impeachment is the right thing. Unlike the Left, I can actually disagree with the predominate news media that generally supports my positions most of the time. The Left is far more in lock step with their overlords marching orders.



Really, because we have spent a shit ton of money trying to stem the flow of invaders, drugs and squatters from crossing the border so far and they have employed all the latest technology, after all Obama and Hillary said so. It has already had a chilling effect and there are some dramatic visible effects from locations where it has been built. Walls work, they are not perfect, they do work and so far nothing else has cut human trafficking across the border better than a good solid wall.



Really, you are a naturalized citizen? If so congratulations, good job following the law. I was born here, my parents were born here, my grandparents were born here so I am not an immigrant. "We are all immigrants" is an intellectually lazy Leftist lie perpetrated to endear sympathy to criminals that flaunt our laws just to come here and continuing it as an argument is just bad.

We can agree that we need a better process for immigration and I believe we need less of it. Too bad both parties, when they have control of the Congress and Presidencey failed to pass through some real reform and instead focused on cramming an unconstitutional insurance scam down our throats and then spent 2 years fapping off and letting a bitter RINO child fail to vote to remove it with some "death bed" theatrics just because he wanted to put a personal grudge ahead of the country he swore to protect.

BTW, simple way to make Mexico and Central America pay for the wall quickly, 2% tax on all person to person money transfers leaving the US destined to Central and South America and the Caribbean with a couple million dollar fine for each occurrence of failure to collect the tax and any kind of sheltering or avoidance of the tax. Bam, paid for. Since there were a couple of years where cash flow from transfers to Mexico accounted for over 1/2 of their GDP I would say that would indeed make them pay for the wall.


I have no idea where Mexico is going to get anything, I don’t follow their economy much, but that doesn’t change the fact, they aren’t indirectly paying for the wall.

Yes you didn’t say one damn thing about me, but you made that comment in a reply to me, that implies you are also talking about me.
We all come from immigrants, is what I was implying. (Except the Indians)

No, I’m not a naturalized citizen, I was born in the states. My mom immigrated here from South Korea, legally and the correct way almost 50 years ago, she’s completely American now (even has trouble remembering some korean) but she’s said she’s been shouted at “get out of our country” that’s what pisses me off about illegal immigrants, is that it effects legal immigrants and American citizens. But What I was implying, we all came from immigrants. It even says in our passport. It is immigrants, who brought to this land the skills of their hands and the brains to make of it a beacon of opportunity and hope for all men”

Yup we can agree, the immigration process definitely needs to be improved, my wife is Russian, and the process for her to get citizenship was long and very difficult... but it is what it is... and complete worth it.

I’m glad you thought of a solution to make them pay for the wall, would it work, I haven’t done the math to see if it’s feasible. But as of now... Mexico ain’t and hasn’t paid for the wall... at all

[~Rocktar~]

Again, that whole we are all immigrants is bullshit because by that thought we can go back to the fact that humans spread out from our origins and so every human on the planet is likely an immigrant by that definition. Come from immigrants maybe and it's a null argument. If we are a society of people who can make our own way, then each person should be measured on their actions and not the actions of their ancestors. Otherwise we can then go back to judging people by all kinds of past atrocities.

The rest is your admitted ignorance on the whole issue.

[Solkern]

Again, that whole we are all immigrants is bullshit because by that thought we can go back to the fact that humans spread out from our origins and so every human on the planet is likely an immigrant by that definition. Come from immigrants maybe and it's a null argument. If we are a society of people who can make our own way, then each person should be measured on their actions and not the actions of their ancestors. Otherwise we can then go back to judging people by all kinds of past atrocities.

The rest is your admitted ignorance on the whole issue.

If that’s your opinion on it and what you think, so be it, I respect it!


But sadly we are in a society that judges people based on where they are from, color of their skin or their religion, not on actions.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

But sadly we are in a society that judges people based on where they are from, color of their skin or their religion, not on actions.

I disagree. There are some in society that do this, but society as a whole is much more accepting than the news would make you think. PEOPLE are very accepting of others. The News is not. Liberal Hollywood is not. Democrats are not.

[Back]

We're all from the same place. Plant Earth. The sooner we stop fighting each other the sooner we can get on with the business of populating the stars.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

We're all from the same place. Plant Earth. The sooner we stop fighting each other the sooner we can get on with the business of populating the stars.

Did you just get done binge watching kiddy porn and drinking Zima's?

[Back]

Did you just get done binge watching kiddy porn and drinking Zima's?

What, you're not going to brag about how successful you are while fantasizing about shooting me?

I don't know what wrong with you. You won't talk about what you are so pissed about. But I definitely think you should keep that gun locked up and well away from yourself when you are drinking and flexing on the internet.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

What, you're not going to brag about how successful you are while fantasizing about shooting me?

I don't know what wrong with you. You won't talk about what you are so pissed about. But I definitely think you should keep that gun locked up and well away from yourself when you are drinking and flexing on the internet.

Stock market hasn't closed yet today, but the DJIA is up 125 pts already, so looks to be a good one.

LULZ at you giving advice. You can't even keep a good job or process things logically. Get back to your Zima and kiddy porn, short dick pedophile.

[Solkern]

I disagree. There are some in society that do this, but society as a whole is much more accepting than the news would make you think. PEOPLE are very accepting of others. The News is not. Liberal Hollywood is not. Democrats are not.

I don’t check American news very often, but it’s usually the shit that I see!

[Parkbandit]

We're all from the same place. Plant Earth. The sooner we stop fighting each other the sooner we can get on with the business of populating the stars.

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[Methais]

We're all from the same place. Plant Earth.

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The sooner we stop fighting each other the sooner we can get on with the business of populating the stars.

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