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Neveragain
08-20-2020, 03:40 PM
People do heroin and pass counterfeit bills all the time and aren't killed for it.

If Derek Chauvin doesn't murder George Floyd...none of this happens.

And sometimes they are. The series of events starts with the criminal breaking the law. Floyd continually resisted his arrest after he chose to break the law, knowing he has a violent criminal history. Live by the sword, die by the sword. :shrug:

Alfster
08-20-2020, 03:45 PM
And sometimes they are. The series of events starts with the criminal breaking the law. Floyd continually resisted his arrest after he chose to break the law, knowing he has a violent criminal history. Live by the sword, die by the sword. :shrug:

The cops shouldn't be that sword. Police reforms are needed. Defunding is not.

Tgo01
08-20-2020, 03:52 PM
Defunding is not.

And yet that is what the left is pushing, including the Democrat candidate before he read polls showing most Americans didn't want that.

Taernath
08-20-2020, 03:55 PM
Police reforms are needed. Defunding is not.

https://i.imgur.com/g26NYgN.jpg

Neveragain
08-20-2020, 03:57 PM
The cops shouldn't be that sword. Police reforms are needed. Defunding is not.

The cop would not have been the sword, in this case, had Floyd not resisted arrest. The latest video proves this, they had him in cuffs, they were peacefully taking him to the car and then Floyd started his shit. Floyd escalated the situation into a violent one.

In this situation anyone would have been arrested. He was using counterfeit money, knowingly or not, anyone would have been arrested and at the very minimum taken in for questioning.

Alfster
08-20-2020, 04:11 PM
And yet that is what the left is pushing, including the Democrat candidate before he read polls showing most Americans didn't want that.

You do know it's possible to support a politician without supporting every one of their positions, yes?

FlayedAngel
08-20-2020, 04:12 PM
You do know it's possible to support a politician without supporting every one of their positions, yes?
He just zoooober hates Dems.

Alfster
08-20-2020, 04:13 PM
The cop would not have been the sword, in this case, had Floyd not resisted arrest. The latest video proves this, they had him in cuffs, they were peacefully taking him to the car and then Floyd started his shit. Floyd escalated the situation into a violent one.

In this situation anyone would have been arrested. He was using counterfeit money, knowingly or not, anyone would have been arrested and at the very minimum taken in for questioning.

It's the excessively long time period that sets me off about this. Once he was on the ground and handled there was no need to continue. He choose to be the sword likely, in my opinion, because the crowd was screaming for him to stop. He was the authority figure and needed that crowd to know it

Tgo01
08-20-2020, 04:20 PM
You do know it's possible to support a politician without supporting every one of their positions, yes?

You really gonna pull that card after 4 years of belonging to the group that says shit like "If you support a racist then you are a racist" and "You want to lock up kids in cages!"

This should be an epiphany moment for you but I doubt it will.

Alfster
08-20-2020, 04:23 PM
You really gonna pull that card after 4 years of belonging to the group that says shit like "If you support a racist then you are a racist" and "You want to lock up kids in cages!"

This should be an epiphany moment for you but I doubt it will.

Have I ever said those things to you? Hint: I haven't.

drauz
08-20-2020, 04:23 PM
The one that has already been given a second chance after they held a woman at gunpoint.

https://media3.giphy.com/media/ceeN6U57leAhi/200.gif

Neveragain
08-20-2020, 04:41 PM
It's the excessively long time period that sets me off about this. Once he was on the ground and handled there was no need to continue. He choose to be the sword likely, in my opinion, because the crowd was screaming for him to stop. He was the authority figure and needed that crowd to know it

I'm not saying it was or was not excessive. The fact is, Floyd was a piece of shit who's life choices lead him down this path. I don't think a single one of us could know how we would react in a situation where we are trying to apprehend a suspect that is resisting your attempt to do so and knowing they have a history of using a deadly weapon.

Ultimately, any law can only be enforced through the threat of violence.

Neveragain
08-20-2020, 06:32 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJTF-bb1jc&bpctr=1597963568

How much more training do you want your police officers to have before you stop taking the side of life time criminals?

Tgo01
08-20-2020, 06:35 PM
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bYJTF-bb1jc&bpctr=1597963568

How much more training do you want your police officers to have before you stop taking the side of life time criminals?

Amazing how the news and prosecutors never mentioned that Floyd himself asked to be laid down on the ground, they portrayed it as the cops throwing him to the ground and kneeling on him.

Like I said before I'm kind of disappointed with myself that I allowed the left to push their narrative on me. I often forget just how disgusting the left has gotten in the past few years.

Neveragain
08-20-2020, 06:54 PM
Amazing how the news and prosecutors never mentioned that Floyd himself asked to be laid down on the ground, they portrayed it as the cops throwing him to the ground and kneeling on him.

Like I said before I'm kind of disappointed with myself that I allowed the left to push their narrative on me. I often forget just how disgusting the left has gotten in the past few years.

George Floyd died of a drug overdose, period.

FlayedAngel
08-20-2020, 06:56 PM
Amazing how the news and prosecutors never mentioned that Floyd himself asked to be laid down on the ground, they portrayed it as the cops throwing him to the ground and kneeling on him.

Like I said before I'm kind of disappointed with myself that I allowed the left to push their narrative on me. I often forget just how disgusting the left has gotten in the past few years.


George Floyd died of a drug overdose, period.
He clearly didn't.

Neveragain
08-20-2020, 07:00 PM
He clearly didn't.

Oh, he clearly did.

FlayedAngel
08-20-2020, 07:01 PM
Oh, he clearly did.
Still not true, but keep trying.

Viekn
08-20-2020, 07:05 PM
George Floyd died of a drug overdose, period.

He clearly didn't.

Oh, he clearly did.

Still not true, but keep trying.

Nuh uh. Did too! Did not! Doody head! You're a doody head! You're a dummy! Says your mom! I'm rubber, you're glue, whatever bounces off me sticks to you!

I'd say that sums up about ever political thread here.

FlayedAngel
08-20-2020, 07:06 PM
I'd say that sums up about ever political thread here.
Where's the lie?

Taernath
08-20-2020, 07:09 PM
Amazing how the news and prosecutors never mentioned that Floyd himself asked to be laid down on the ground, they portrayed it as the cops throwing him to the ground and kneeling on him.

Like I said before I'm kind of disappointed with myself that I allowed the left to push their narrative on me. I often forget just how disgusting the left has gotten in the past few years.

lmao I guess he asked for an 8 minute shiatsu neck massage too.

Neveragain
08-20-2020, 07:10 PM
Still not true, but keep trying.

Dude was losing his cool before they even opened the car door. Saying he can't breath before they even get him in the back of the squad car the first time. He lost his shit, that's what happens when you start banging speed balls.

Tgo01
08-20-2020, 07:12 PM
lmao I guess he asked for an 8 minute shiatsu neck massage too.

He did ask to be placed on the ground, it's right there on the video and everything.

FlayedAngel
08-20-2020, 07:14 PM
He did ask to be placed on the ground, it's right there on the video and everything.
Shocking lack of ability to differentiate.

Solkern
08-20-2020, 07:24 PM
Dude was losing his cool before they even opened the car door. Saying he can't breath before they even get him in the back of the squad car the first time. He lost his shit, that's what happens when you start banging speed balls.

I'm sure when the officer placed a knee on his neck, for 9 minutes it really helped him breathe better right?

Seems logical, man says he can't breathe...here let's put him on the ground and let me put my knee on his neck for 9 minutes.

That makes it even worse, you do realize that right?

Neveragain
08-20-2020, 07:34 PM
I'm sure when the officer placed a knee on his neck, for 9 minutes it really helped him breathe better right?

The knee never goes there if he sits in the back of the car, like he was asked more times than I cared to count. Throughout the footage he refuses to comply and constantly puts up a physical fight. The officers went out of their way to put up with this jackbags bullshit. So like a screaming little child he had to be restrained until he was winded, sadly he had a bloodstream full of drugs and he died. I can find no pity for George Floyd.

~Rocktar~
08-20-2020, 08:57 PM
WOW, the amount of mental gymnastics the Leftist on this board are going though to justify riots, assault, arson and murder on behalf of the rioters is amazing!

The argument amounts to "It's not all of them so it's ok." Seriously, that's all you have because that is just fucked up. How much crime is enough? If I beat you over the head with a board or baseball bad, how many hits is enough? If I set your house or belongings on fire, how much is ok to burn? If I murder you, how much murder is enough? Seriously, this is how you are arguing and it's disgusting.

Then there is the argument that the federal officers (not troops, LEOs) caused this which is total and complete bullshit. No one forces you to commit a crime without a gun to your head or some such, which we all know didn't happen. So you are basically arguing that the protesters saw federal officers and couldn't control themselves they were compelled to go out and commit crimes? Yes, that is what you are saying, that the rioters are incapable of controlling themselves which I might agree with, thus, the federal officers.

Next we have the whole "Floyd was murdered" bullshit. And yes, it's bullshit. The coroner report shows he died from a fentanyl overdose exacerbated by physical exertion from fighting with the police. We have yet to see what all the actual facts are and what a jury decides, until then, fuck off with your claims of murder because it really doesn't fit the legal requirement and loads of evidence of that has been published here before.

Moving on, we have the whole bullshit about police brutality. Which happens, it has been on the decline for decades despite what the lying Leftist media have said. Fact is, the number one way to prevent police brutality is to not commit crimes. Point blank. Period. You make a choice to commit a crime knowing what could happen. If you don't know, you are brain dead or lying in modern society. There simply is no other excuse. Police reform is a Leftist dogwhistle for defunding the police, supporting crime and attempting to use this whole mess created by a decades of Leftist effort as leverage for ushering in a Socialist state. Your idiot arguments otherwise amount to "but that isn't what we really want" despite the ample written and video evidence of leaders of multiple political groups involved saying exactly that.

So, in the end, you Leftists defending these Marxist rioters and criminals seem hell bent on justifying, ignoring or hand waving away the crimes being committed in your name all because it suits you. I hope that in the end, you lose, we take back our country from this lawlessness and slave mentality and rise again as a proud and decent nation. I hope it happens in the election booth, the court rooms and the city and state halls across this country. And I hope you don't get your wish for a civil war because if you do, the horror you will see and unleash will make Aleppo look like a picnic at the beach.

So let the excuses and lies fly because in the end, you will be paying the boatman his silver sooner or later.

Solkern
08-20-2020, 10:59 PM
The knee never goes there if he sits in the back of the car, like he was asked more times than I cared to count. Throughout the footage he refuses to comply and constantly puts up a physical fight. The officers went out of their way to put up with this jackbags bullshit. So like a screaming little child he had to be restrained until he was winded, sadly he had a bloodstream full of drugs and he died. I can find no pity for George Floyd.

You can bring up all the “what ifs” you want. The knee DID go there. Period. They could have put their knee across the shoulder blades, or other places, use a forearm across his back etc. But NINE minutes of a knee to the neck. I don’t think you realize how long that really is.

Solkern
08-20-2020, 11:06 PM
Next we have the whole "Floyd was murdered" bullshit. And yes, it's bullshit. The coroner report shows he died from a fentanyl overdose exacerbated by physical exertion from fighting with the police. We have yet to see what all the actual facts are and what a jury decides, until then, fuck off with your claims of murder because it really doesn't fit the legal requirement and loads of evidence of that has been published here before.



According to the autopsy report:
The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

As you can see there were multiple factors for his cause of death. Not just what you pointed out above.
Can you tell me when his neck was compressed? Oh that’s right, when the officer’s knee was on his neck for 9 minutes.

~Rocktar~
08-20-2020, 11:13 PM
According to the autopsy report:
The autopsy report from Hennepin County Medical Examiner's Office concludes the cause of death was "cardiopulmonary arrest complicating law enforcement subdual, restraint, and neck compression."

As you can see there were multiple factors for his cause of death. Not just what you pointed out above.
Can you tell me when his neck was compressed? Oh that’s right, when the officer’s knee was on his neck for 9 minutes.

And your argument is to support what exactly, this as an excuse to riot, loot, assault, burn and murder? In the end, there will be a trial and the truth should come out there. It's not murder, stop selling a lie to damage the country and try and rig an election.

Again, loads of mental gymnastics.

Solkern
08-20-2020, 11:19 PM
And your argument is to support what exactly, this as an excuse to riot, loot, assault, burn and murder? In the end, there will be a trial and the truth should come out there. It's not murder, stop selling a lie to damage the country and try and rig an election.

Again, loads of mental gymnastics.


My argument is that you aren’t telling all the facts, and only a part that supports your argument. The report clearly states part of the cause of death was neck compression, which you conveniently left out.

When did i mention, that this is an excuse for, rioting, looting, burning, assault or murder?

Realk
08-20-2020, 11:21 PM
those cops did what they could and I thought handled it as well as they could...

P.S don't take away funds from those cops, their cars clearly need newer tires..

Solkern
08-20-2020, 11:25 PM
FYI. I’m against, the riots, the looting, the assaults, the murders, and burning of shit. I’ve never stated that I support any of it.

Parkbandit
08-21-2020, 08:41 AM
FYI. I’m against, the riots, the looting, the assaults, the murders, and burning of shit. I’ve never stated that I support any of it.

lol

Neveragain
08-21-2020, 09:18 AM
You can bring up all the “what ifs” you want. The knee DID go there. Period. They could have put their knee across the shoulder blades, or other places, use a forearm across his back etc. But NINE minutes of a knee to the neck. I don’t think you realize how long that really is.

And if the asshole sits in the car like he is asked none of it happens, there is no "what if" about it. I hope these officers are released and all charges dropped. A life time criminal continually exacerbated the situation and it cost him his life, fuck him.

RichardCranium
08-21-2020, 09:38 AM
And if the asshole sits in the car like he is asked none of it happens, there is no "what if" about it. I hope these officers are released and all charges dropped. A life time criminal continually exacerbated the situation and it cost him his life, fuck him.

Comply or die, right? Fuck that.

Solkern
08-21-2020, 10:05 AM
And if the asshole sits in the car like he is asked none of it happens, there is no "what if" about it. I hope these officers are released and all charges dropped. A life time criminal continually exacerbated the situation and it cost him his life, fuck him.

You just gave another “what if” followed by there is no “what if”? Lol

You can come up with all the “what if” you want. Here’s one for you. “What if” the officer didn’t place his knee on his neck for 9 minutes? We can go down this rabbit hole all you want. Doesn’t change anything, he died partly due to a knee on the neck, and nothing you can say will change that fact.

Nothing he did in the past, deserves him paying with his life.

Solkern
08-21-2020, 10:10 AM
lol

Oh PB chimed in. I’m assuming your “lol” means you disagree with what I said.

Please show me where I ever stated I supported any of the above I listed. Let me make it quicker for you. I’ve never stated it.
Understanding why they do it, and supporting it, are two different things.
I don’t support the “stand your ground law” but I can understand why it’s there, for example.

Neveragain
08-21-2020, 10:16 AM
Comply or die, right? Fuck that.

So, every time you deal with law enforcement you should just be able to run off without consequence?

So yes, if there is reasonable suspicion against you and you decide not to comply, there is a very good chance you could be killed. Ultimately, that's the only way a law can be enforced. If you choose not to follow the rule of law in a peaceful manner, you risk death.

Neveragain
08-21-2020, 10:19 AM
You just gave another “what if” followed by there is no “what if”? Lol

You can come up with all the “what if” you want. Here’s one for you. “What if” the officer didn’t place his knee on his neck for 9 minutes? We can go down this rabbit hole all you want. Doesn’t change anything, he died partly due to a knee on the neck, and nothing you can say will change that fact.

Nothing he did in the past, deserves him paying with his life.

There was reasonable suspicion that he was breaking the law, he chose to fight instead of being peaceful, it cost him his life. Too bad.

Avaia
08-21-2020, 10:34 AM
Only a Sith deals in absolutes.

RichardCranium
08-21-2020, 11:08 AM
So, every time you deal with law enforcement you should just be able to run off without consequence?

So yes, if there is reasonable suspicion against you and you decide not to comply, there is a very good chance you could be killed. Ultimately, that's the only way a law can be enforced. If you choose not to follow the rule of law in a peaceful manner, you risk death.

I will never willingly give a state or federal employee the power to determine whether I live or die.

Parkbandit
08-21-2020, 12:39 PM
I will never willingly give a state or federal employee the power to determine whether I live or die.

I always tell my family to just comply.. and if the government is wrong, I'll have my lawyer eat them up.

It doesn't cost you anything to do what you are told.

Solkern
08-21-2020, 02:42 PM
I always tell my family to just comply.. and if the government is wrong, I'll have my lawyer eat them up.

It doesn't cost you anything to do what you are told.


While I 100% agree, but there is a grey area, being detained, when it’s not your fault, etc can lead to a loss of job, emotional damage, false imprisonment, getting lost in the system, and other things. Quite a few people are in prison and are innocent people, because they simply “complied”. money can’t buy back those years they lost.


Like this man.
https://www.npr.org/2017/12/06/568314351/why-a-man-declared-innocent-can-t-get-out-of-prison

Why A Man Declared Innocent Can't Get Out Of Prison

FlayedAngel
08-21-2020, 02:47 PM
I always tell my family to just comply.. and if the government is wrong, I'll have my lawyer eat them up.

It doesn't cost you anything to do what you are told.
That's all fine and good for you... if you happen to be white, and have reliable access to a lawyer.

I don't know if you've been made aware, but there's an entire protest about exactly that.

FlayedAngel
08-21-2020, 02:48 PM
Also, I hear that "do what you're told" sounds awfully fascist.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-21-2020, 02:54 PM
Hey lets use some edge cases as examples and say that's why the whole system is broken.

Taernath
08-21-2020, 03:04 PM
Hey lets use some edge cases as examples and say that's why the whole system is broken.

I'd much rather live in a System that's held accountable for its failings rather than one where murder and corruption is ignored as long as it doesn't happen too often or to the wrong people.

drauz
08-21-2020, 03:12 PM
That's all fine and good for you... if you happen to be white, and have reliable access to a lawyer.

I don't know if you've been made aware, but there's an entire protest about exactly that.

Not complying will do nothing to help you, it can only hurt you.

RichardCranium
08-21-2020, 04:14 PM
I always tell my family to just comply.. and if the government is wrong, I'll have my lawyer eat them up.

It doesn't cost you anything to do what you are told.

Ive been handcuffed and beaten by 3 police officers before, so I tend to do what they say. That still doesn't give them the right to be judge, jury and executioner. We have a legal system for a reason.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-21-2020, 04:16 PM
Ive been handcuffed and beaten by 3 police officers before, so I tend to do what they say. That still doesn't give them the right to be judge, jury and executioner. We have a legal system for a reason.

Why were you handcuffed and beaten?

Tgo01
08-21-2020, 04:17 PM
That's all fine and good for you... if you happen to be white, and have reliable access to a lawyer.

Are you really suggesting a minority should just go ahead and fight with the cops? Once again I must ask: bitch, are you for real?!

RichardCranium
08-21-2020, 04:42 PM
Why were you handcuffed and beaten?

I don't want to get into the details. I was young and deserved it, although the mag lights they used were probably overkill. But since then I've been "yes sir" and "no sir" for each interaction.

Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-21-2020, 04:48 PM
I don't want to get into the details. I was young and deserved it, although the mag lights they used were probably overkill. But since then I've been "yes sir" and "no sir" for each interaction.

I got cuffed and stuffed once. No beatings, but I did call a woman cop "sir" and she looked at me like I called her a bad name. All worked out in the end, after a few hours in the county jail. I was young and deserved it as well.

FlayedAngel
08-21-2020, 04:59 PM
Are you really suggesting a minority should just go ahead and fight with the cops? Once again I must ask: bitch, are you for real?!
What? How are you deriving that from what I said?

I'm saying that it's a problem that one can fully comply with the cops as a minority and still be treated unjustly... or even killed.

Tgo01
08-21-2020, 05:24 PM
What? How are you deriving that from what I said?

Because PB said he tells his family to comply and he will get a lawyer, and your reply was that only works for white people. So what should a non-white person do?

Parkbandit
08-21-2020, 05:34 PM
That's all fine and good for you... if you happen to be white, and have reliable access to a lawyer.

What does white have to do with it? Your racism is showing.


I don't know if you've been made aware, but there's an entire protest about exactly that.

It's adorable that you honestly believe these protests have anything to do with anything besides the Presidential election.

I was once this naive.. of course I was in the 1st grade and still believed in Santa.

Parkbandit
08-21-2020, 05:34 PM
Because PB said he tells his family to comply and he will get a lawyer, and your reply was that only works for white people. So what should a non-white person do?

He's wringing his little white hands with all the guilt he has...

Parkbandit
08-21-2020, 05:35 PM
Also, I hear that "do what you're told" sounds awfully fascist.

Of course you do... because everything is racist to you.

Neveragain
08-21-2020, 07:10 PM
Now it's sounding like Floyd dumped a hand full of Fentanyl down his gullet during the attempted arrest.


Fentanyl: Controlled substance. High risk for addiction and dependence. Can cause respiratory distress and deathwhen taken in high doses or when combined with other substances, especially alcohol.

Ashlander
08-21-2020, 07:53 PM
Oh Parkbandit, you are such a puppy dog following people around on the PC.

How does it feel when your guy is having an epic meltdown on twitter looking triggered (the world clowned him accordingly) and he probably hates Obama (cause he can speak in intelligent sentences without using great or good over and over) more than you do:

9601

Nope. They were doing legal surveliance on the Russian bullshit. Oh...all of Trump's top guys were indicted? Trump must not have known. Here is the fact check (https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2020/aug/20/donald-trump/donald-trump-repeats-false-claim-obama-spied-his-c/). Btw the Republican majority bi-partisan committee released more Russian findings attacking our democracy to undermine it. They weren't supporting Trump. He's just so bad at dividing our country they love what he does now.

Plus this random spew of trash (https://www.cnn.com/2020/08/20/politics/trump-false-claims-pennsylvania-speech-biden-fact-check/index.html) in Pennslyvania

and this gem

9602

Obama was in the middle of torching him about threating our democracy because he gobbles authoritarians rep like a Phoenix Suns thot and Trumps all caps response is WHY DIDNT HE ENDORSE BIDEN EARLIER? Biden asked him not to and never told Biden not to run. Facts though.

Here is your puppy dog shit on rep since you just cycle on a list of handwritten paper you got or because the PC is so small you can keep the list simple. I got you on a tight leash though. I hadn't posted in 9 days. You wait for that rep availability like a meth fiend though. You are so thirsty for this.

8/19
9603

8/9
9604

8/4
9605

Hell. It keeps going. 8/2, 7/20, etc, but you wonder why I can don't care about rep. It's almost all you and you're a god damn idiot so not a whole lot of credibility. 75 more days left before the election. You'll still be a vomit spewing poster all day long after that.

Btw, Fox News (which I read for perspective and Breitbart and the other dark websites you Facebook boomers read) even praised Biden's speech numerous times from multiple anchors.

Stay triggered, Parkbandit. See ya around the yard.

For someone who doesn't care about rep you sure do bitch about it a lot.

Parkbandit
08-21-2020, 09:44 PM
For someone who doesn't care about rep you sure do bitch about it a lot.

He repeatedly tells us how he doesn't care about rep... again and again and again....

https://media1.giphy.com/media/Z2S9zF7Y7e6Sk/200.gif

Suppa Hobbit Mage
08-21-2020, 10:30 PM
I'd much rather live in a System that's held accountable for its failings rather than one where murder and corruption is ignored as long as it doesn't happen too often or to the wrong people.


would you agree no system is perfect? If you do, what percentage of injustice is ok? If you think there is a perfect system, I would like to hear about it.

~Rocktar~
08-21-2020, 11:06 PM
What? How are you deriving that from what I said?

I'm saying that it's a problem that one can fully comply with the cops as a minority and still be treated unjustly... or even killed.

Stop being a racist shit, cops kill more white people in custody than black people. It's not like the only people ever killed or beaten by cops are black.

time4fun
08-22-2020, 12:15 AM
Stop being a racist shit, cops kill more white people in custody than black people. It's not like the only people ever killed or beaten by cops are black.

Which would be a valid point if there were, say, equal numbers of black people and white people in the US.

Oh but wait, there aren't, and unarmed black men are MUCH more likely to be killed by police than unarmed white men.

You act like the black community just made this whole thing up. I guess they haven't been dealing with systemic racism the justice system their whole lives. They must have just been bored.

Genuinely one of the most inane retorts you could have come up with. A 12 year-old understands representation arguments better than you do.

Tgo01
08-22-2020, 12:23 AM
Oh but wait, there aren't, and unarmed black men are MUCH more likely to be killed by police than unarmed white men.

Black people also disproportionately have more interactions with police officers too.

Well not really fair to say black people, specifically young black men disproportionately have more interactions with police officers and out of all black people shot by police almost all of them are indeed young black men.

But something tells me you don't care about those facts.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 12:43 AM
WOW, the amount of mental gymnastics the Leftist on this board are going though to justify riots, assault, arson and murder on behalf of the rioters is amazing!

The argument amounts to "It's not all of them so it's ok." Seriously, that's all you have because that is just fucked up. How much crime is enough? If I beat you over the head with a board or baseball bad, how many hits is enough? If I set your house or belongings on fire, how much is ok to burn? If I murder you, how much murder is enough? Seriously, this is how you are arguing and it's disgusting.
Again -- and I have no idea why this is so fuckin' difficult for some people to grasp -- the protesters, looters, anarchists, opportunists, and false flag racists aren't all part of some conglomerated hive-mind seeking to pillage everything in their path. It may be easier (or dare I say, even encouraged) to look at them that way in order to support a particular worldview, but doing so is no less fallacious than insisting that all Republicans are identical. I don't support the looting and the arson, but there's no simple resolution for this crisis, and I do recognize that -- like it or not -- protests are more effective when they're loud. Maybe pull your head out of your ass for a minute before assuming that anyone is trying to "justify" anything, because I've pointed out several times how there numerous different facets colliding with one another here, many of which are at odds with one another or operating under pretense.



Then there is the argument that the federal officers (not troops, LEOs) caused this which is total and complete bullshit. No one forces you to commit a crime without a gun to your head or some such, which we all know didn't happen. So you are basically arguing that the protesters saw federal officers and couldn't control themselves they were compelled to go out and commit crimes? Yes, that is what you are saying, that the rioters are incapable of controlling themselves which I might agree with, thus, the federal officers.
I'm not going to speak for any other city, but I can pretty much guarantee you that here in Portland, there have been multiple instances of local LEOs dispersing teargas and "non-lethal" munitions into crowds that were in no way provoking it or doing anything unlawful. They've retaliated against "rioters" and peaceful protesters alike numerous times without discrimination, and have even done bullshit like using LRADs to order dispersal and then blocking egresses from teargas-saturated areas. I'm willing to chalk some of that up to the chaos of the situation, but not all of it... especially the preemptive portions.

If I walk up to you and slap you in the face for no reason, there's only so many times you're going to reasonably take that before you fight back; the appropriate reaction in this situation would be for them to use deescalation tactics, but the fault lies in using tactics that continue to exacerbate matters instead.



Moving on, we have the whole bullshit about police brutality. Which happens, it has been on the decline for decades despite what the lying Leftist media have said. Fact is, the number one way to prevent police brutality is to not commit crimes. Point blank. Period. You make a choice to commit a crime knowing what could happen. If you don't know, you are brain dead or lying in modern society. There simply is no other excuse. Police reform is a Leftist dogwhistle for defunding the police, supporting crime and attempting to use this whole mess created by a decades of Leftist effort as leverage for ushering in a Socialist state. Your idiot arguments otherwise amount to "but that isn't what we really want" despite the ample written and video evidence of leaders of multiple political groups involved saying exactly that.

So, in the end, you Leftists defending these Marxist rioters and criminals seem hell bent on justifying, ignoring or hand waving away the crimes being committed in your name all because it suits you. I hope that in the end, you lose, we take back our country from this lawlessness and slave mentality and rise again as a proud and decent nation. I hope it happens in the election booth, the court rooms and the city and state halls across this country. And I hope you don't get your wish for a civil war because if you do, the horror you will see and unleash will make Aleppo look like a picnic at the beach.

So let the excuses and lies fly because in the end, you will be paying the boatman his silver sooner or later.
Dude, seriously... stop drinking the Kool-Aid.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 12:55 AM
Not complying will do nothing to help you, it can only hurt you.
True, but that's not the issue (see below) -- George Floyd isn't actually a good example of compliance, he's just the proverbial straw that broke the camel's back.



Because PB said he tells his family to comply and he will get a lawyer, and your reply was that only works for white people. So what should a non-white person do?
The issue is the unacceptably high number of black people who do comply, do not resist arrest, and then get beaten or killed regardless -- say nothing of other, more insidious aspects of systemic racism.

There have been these protests over the last few months about this sort of thing, you should look into them.



What does white have to do with it? Your racism is showing.
You can't honestly be that stupid.



It's adorable that you honestly believe these protests have anything to do with anything besides the Presidential election.

I was once this naive.. of course I was in the 1st grade and still believed in Santa.
It's adorable that you believe they do -- you should have continued past the 1st grade, it might have helped develop your associative and cognitive reasoning.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 12:56 AM
Stop being a racist shit, cops kill more white people in custody than black people. It's not like the only people ever killed or beaten by cops are black.
Cry me a river, you chucklefuck.



You act like the black community just made this whole thing up. I guess they haven't been dealing with systemic racism the justice system their whole lives. They must have just been bored.

Genuinely one of the most inane retorts you could have come up with. A 12 year-old understands representation arguments better than you do.
He's always spouting off some jingoistic faux-patriot horseshit about Leftist-Marxists destroying the country, blah-blah-blah, and how he's going to save 'Murica with guns in some grand reckoning. You know... crazy person shit.

His opinion on anything -- especially race -- carries about as much weight in my eyes as a limp noodle in a heavyweight match.

Tgo01
08-22-2020, 01:00 AM
The issue is the unacceptably high number of black people who do comply, do not resist arrest, and then get beaten or killed regardless

Don't suppose you have a number for the number of black people who do comply, do not resist arrest, and are beaten or killed regardless? Because you can't even include George Floyd in this statistic because like it or not the bodycam footage clearly shows him resisting arrest and not complying.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 01:11 AM
Don't suppose you have a number for the number of black people who do comply, do not resist arrest, and are beaten or killed regardless? Because you can't even include George Floyd in this statistic because like it or not the bodycam footage clearly shows him resisting arrest and not complying.
Yeah... I just said that he wasn't exemplary.

Tgo01
08-22-2020, 01:17 AM
Yeah... I just said that he wasn't exemplary.

That's great. So about that number.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 01:20 AM
That's great. So about that number.
Google it, Einstein... it's not that hard to look up statistics (https://mappingpoliceviolence.org).

Tgo01
08-22-2020, 01:22 AM
Google it, Einstein... it's not that hard to look up statistics (https://mappingpoliceviolence.org).

So no number. That was fast. We cut out all of that fat with that discussion.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 01:33 AM
So no number. That was fast. We cut out all of that fat with that discussion.
We wouldn't have be having the discussion in the first place if you weren't constantly whinging about this shit -- I provided a link, figure it out.

What exactly are you arguing? That non-compliance is better, or that non-compliance somehow justifies murder?

Tgo01
08-22-2020, 01:42 AM
We wouldn't have be having the discussion in the first place if you weren't constantly whinging about this shit -- I provided a link, figure it out.

You just told me to Google it, now you're telling me you provided a link? You waffle more than my waffle iron, and that doesn't even make sense!


What exactly are you arguing? That non-compliance is better, or that non-compliance somehow justifies murder?

I'm just asking you for the number you referred to when you said "the unacceptably high number of black people who do comply, do not resist arrest, and then get beaten or killed regardless."

Because I'm not doubting it happens sometimes, but I bet the number would be astonishingly low. Even the big cases this year (George Floyd and the guy who stole a cop's taser and turned to fire it at him) don't fit in this.

Tgo01
08-22-2020, 01:46 AM
Okay I see now you did provide a link in the same post you told me to Google it. Unsurprisingly absent from said link is the information I am asking for. Also talk about biased sites. "mappingpoliceviolence.org" Yeesh. BlueLivesDontMatter.net didn't have the stats?

~Rocktar~
08-22-2020, 01:57 AM
Which would be a valid point if there were, say, equal numbers of black people and white people in the US.

Oh but wait, there aren't, and unarmed black men are MUCH more likely to be killed by police than unarmed white men.

You act like the black community just made this whole thing up. I guess they haven't been dealing with systemic racism the justice system their whole lives. They must have just been bored.

Genuinely one of the most inane retorts you could have come up with. A 12 year-old understands representation arguments better than you do.

You are so full of shit. So here are the statistics that I compiled earlier this year about the issue of black and white crime:


Here are the 2016 numbers of victims of murder in the US per the FBI report. Keep in mind that blacks are something like 13.4% of the US population according to Wikipedia but they are 42.98% of the murder victims and 47.27% of the offenders. https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2016/crime-in-the-u.s.-2016/tables/expanded-homicide-data-table-3.xls

Next about white and blacks being killed by police:

More white people are killed by cops than black people because there are more white people. Nice, but no, the number of interactions between police and the people in the US is incalculable. However, the number of people shot to death by police is easily obtained. In 2017 it was 457 white people and 223 black people. This makes the numbers look like they support the premise that more people result in more deaths. Now apply some basic math to the population percentages and the violent crime rates. According to the FBI, whites account for 236590 violent crimes, blacks for 141744 in 2017. Whites are 58.52% of violent crime arrests, blacks 37.5%. So, the ratio of white to black crime is 1.669 white crimes for every black crime. BUT the ratio for white to black deaths by police is 2.049 white deaths to every black death. So, 1.669 whites are arrested for every black for violent crime but 2.049 whites are killed for every black police death. The ratio of death to arrests and deaths to violent crime rate doesn’t lie.

https://ucr.fbi.gov/crime-in-the-u.s/2017/crime-in-the-u.s.-2017/tables/table-43
https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/

Now, as to your idiotic comment about systemic racism, how about this, you come up with a law that is racist. You can't because they have been pretty well rooted out of our society. Does racism exist, yes it does, individual to individual, there is no giant conspiracy to keep the black man down. "Systemic Racism" is a dogwhistle for the Left signaling excuses for failed policies, cultural differences and the failure of the welfare state to do anything other than to economically enslave the poor to the government in the guise of "helping" them. In other words, it's the siren call of the modern Democrat slave plantation owners to keep the slaves fearful of leaving the plantation since they would supposedly be worse off elsewhere and the Democrats "really care" about their slaves.

So, take your emotionally charged, intellectually vapid spewing and shove it up your ass. The facts clearly demonstrate that you have no clue and all you want to do is keep perpetuating the Democrat racism and government slavery.

~Rocktar~
08-22-2020, 01:59 AM
. . . snippage of a whole bunch of retarded shit excusing rioters and making claims that aren't in any way supported by facts about riots in the Northwest . . .

Seriously dude, put down the crack pipe and stop supporting and defending violent criminals destroying your city.

~Rocktar~
08-22-2020, 02:01 AM
Cry me a river, you chucklefuck.

Stop being a racist fuck.


He's always spouting off some jingoistic faux-patriot horseshit about Leftist-Marxists destroying the country, blah-blah-blah, and how he's going to save 'Murica with guns in some grand reckoning. You know... crazy person shit.

His opinion on anything -- especially race -- carries about as much weight in my eyes as a limp noodle in a heavyweight match.

Yes yes, I'm the crazy person here, when you are the one defending and excusing violent criminals destroying your own city.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 02:04 AM
Okay I see now you did provide a link in the same post you told me to Google it. Unsurprisingly absent from said link is the information I am asking for. Also talk about biased sites. "mappingpoliceviolence.org" Yeesh. BlueLivesDontMatter.net didn't have the stats?
I'm absolutely shocked that you would cry about biases, but sorry -- I checked, and noted milkshake enthusiast Andy Ngo didn't have any applicable stats.

Anyway, here's another (https://www.wkbw.com/news/i-team/15-cases-of-alleged-police-brutality-excessive-force-in-wny-since-2006) article (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/chicago-police-department-consent-decree-black-lives-matter-resistance.html) or two (https://www.wnyc.org/story/resisting-arrest-black-white/) about statistcs (https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/fryer_police_aer.pdf) for your reading pleasure.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 02:08 AM
Stop being a racist fuck.
https://i.pinimg.com/originals/7d/e2/18/7de2189924e44f93d93be91a67da819c.gif




Yes yes, I'm the crazy person here, when you are the one defending and excusing violent criminals destroying your own city.
Are you mentally incapable of processing what anyone else says?

Tgo01
08-22-2020, 02:18 AM
I checked, and noted milkshake enthusiast Andy Ngo didn't have any applicable stats.

You really should seek some professional help for this deep-seated hatred you have towards Asian men.


Here's another (https://www.wkbw.com/news/i-team/15-cases-of-alleged-police-brutality-excessive-force-in-wny-since-2006) article (https://slate.com/news-and-politics/2019/05/chicago-police-department-consent-decree-black-lives-matter-resistance.html) or two (https://www.wnyc.org/story/resisting-arrest-black-white/) about statistcs (https://scholar.harvard.edu/files/fryer/files/fryer_police_aer.pdf).

First link: Doesn't have the number I asked for.
Third link: Doesn't have the number I asked for.
Fourth link: Too long and made my brain hurt.

Second link was the closest I asked for:


Ultimately, comparing the two scales, officers tended to use more force against black subjects even though they presented less resistance than white subjects. For instance, black subjects offered Level 1 or 2 resistance in 47.5 percent of cases, as compared to 44 percent of white subjects who offered the same lower levels of resistance. Meanwhile, black subjects faced Levels 3 or 4 use of force 91.6 percent of the time, as compared to white subjects who faced those levels of force in 89.2 percent of cases.

I mean really? Is this what we are talking about? 91.6% for black subjects compared to 89.2% for white subjects?

This is already with the "researcher" using a vague as fuck term like "passive resistance." What does "passive resistance" even mean? Is a white dude saying "Don't tase me, bro!" considered "passive resistance" while a black dude struggling and refusing to allow a cop to place him in handcuffs also considered "passive resistance"?

I have no idea! The researcher wouldn't tell us.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 02:28 AM
Now, as to your idiotic comment about systemic racism, how about this, you come up with a law that is racist. You can't because they have been pretty well rooted out of our society. Does racism exist, yes it does, individual to individual, there is no giant conspiracy to keep the black man down. "Systemic Racism" is a dogwhistle for the Left signaling excuses for failed policies, cultural differences and the failure of the welfare state to do anything other than to economically enslave the poor to the government in the guise of "helping" them. In other words, it's the siren call of the modern Democrat slave plantation owners to keep the slaves fearful of leaving the plantation since they would supposedly be worse off elsewhere and the Democrats "really care" about their slaves.

So, take your emotionally charged, intellectually vapid spewing and shove it up your ass. The facts clearly demonstrate that you have no clue and all you want to do is keep perpetuating the Democrat racism and government slavery.
I can't even begin to tell you what an utterly ass-backwards and delusional pile of garbage this is -- you were so close to having an almost arguable point with your statistical breakdown, but then you went and slammed a home run in the fuck-up league with that nonsense.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 02:29 AM
You really should seek some professional help for this deep-seated hatred you have towards Asian men.
And you should really seek some professional help for your deep-seated and irrational fear of democracy and minorities.

I don't have any particular emotional investment in Andy Ngo, I just think he's ridiculous.



I have no idea! The researcher wouldn't tell us.
Sorry reading hurts your brain, but I'm not copy/pasting a bunch of shit for you.

Tgo01
08-22-2020, 02:32 AM
And you should really seek some professional help for your deep-seated and irrational fear of democracy and minorities.

NOU!

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 02:37 AM
NOU!
https://media.tenor.com/images/6d0c7e840fb43e6b59b0803fdf7193c6/tenor.gif

Neveragain
08-22-2020, 03:54 AM
Which would be a valid point if there were, say, equal numbers of black people and white people in the US.

Oh but wait, there aren't, and unarmed black men are MUCH more likely to be killed by police than unarmed white men.

You act like the black community just made this whole thing up. I guess they haven't been dealing with systemic racism the justice system their whole lives. They must have just been bored.

Genuinely one of the most inane retorts you could have come up with. A 12 year-old understands representation arguments better than you do.

And gosh darn it, electing Joe Biden is going to make damn sure it stays that way. Kamala will be there to make sure they stay behind bars, even if physical evidence proves otherwise.

https://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190731220720-tulsi-gabbard-kamala-harris-debate-7-31-2019-large-169.jpg

Parkbandit
08-22-2020, 07:36 AM
75 more days left before the election. You'll still be a vomit spewing poster all day long after that.

It is true.. I won't change because of whom is elected as President. You, on the other hand, have been on a 3 1/2 year absolute meltdown over President Trump being elected. "SO SCARY!"

I can only hope that it continues for another 4. You've been highly entertaining. Couple that with red rep and you are nothing short of apoplectic.

Thank you.


Btw, Fox News (which I read for perspective and Breitbart and the other dark websites you Facebook boomers read) even praised Biden's speech numerous times from multiple anchors.

Hey, you have to give it to Biden.. he was able to remain standing and only flub up a few times on the shortest acceptance speech in the past 50 years. Not sure if he plagerized this speech or not, but the bar was set so fucking low that people were actually surprised he did as well as he did.

Can't wait for the debates though. Should be fun to watch.


Stay triggered, Parkbandit. See ya around the yard.

Bro. Do you even know what self awareness even is?

Parkbandit
08-22-2020, 07:42 AM
The issue is the unacceptably high number of black people who do comply, do not resist arrest, and then get beaten or killed regardless -- say nothing of other, more insidious aspects of systemic racism.


So you probably agree there is insidious aspects of systemic sexism in law enforcement as well? Have you looked at how many more men are killed by police officers than women? I'm scared to death to even leave my home, since I am in that target group.

Neveragain
08-22-2020, 09:37 AM
So you probably agree there is insidious aspects of systemic sexism in law enforcement as well? Have you looked at how many more men are killed by police officers than women? I'm scared to death to even leave my home, since I am in that target group.

Oh shit, this is a given. Just look at sentence time given for crimes, the difference between men and women is night and day.


After controlling for the arrest offense, criminal history, and other prior characteristics, "men receive 63% longer sentences on average than women do," and "women are… twice as likely to avoid incarceration if convicted." This gender gap is about six times as large as the racial disparity

6 times as large as the racial disparity.

We should burn some shit down.

~Rocktar~
08-22-2020, 02:27 PM
That stat has been mouthpieces for ages. Black Americans only make up 12.7% of the American population and as a percentage of killed by police they are 3x more likely to be shot than any other ethnicity while white Americans make up 72% of the American population.

370 white Americans were shot in 2019. 235 black Americans were shot in 2019. I guess in a glossed over way your point is correct, but it's wrong in application. This would fail a fact check and it has over and over.

Sorry, your comparison based on population is invalid for the reason I listed it has nothing to do with application, it has everything to do with number of interactions with police. On a per interaction basis, Blacks are less likely to be shot than whites. There is no glossing over other than the Left's attempt to cover up for the failings of the black community along with the Left's desire to continue to push the false racism narrative to incite division and manipulate the voter base.

Neveragain
08-22-2020, 05:49 PM
The white liberal is the worst enemy to America and the worst enemy to the black man. ~ MalcomX
https://i.makeagif.com/media/11-22-2016/W5t9Cw.gif

beldar17
08-22-2020, 10:45 PM
thats cause blacks are 5x more likely to be robbing some shit, Daiyon held me up just the other day at the bank. Its out of hand. Lets lock these dark elves up!

~Rocktar~
08-22-2020, 11:01 PM
Tell your farmer friends that.

You fail this fact check too. Black Americans as an application of law enforcement interaction are 5x more likely to be approached by police than White Americans due to percentage of population. That 23% vs 20% is in comparison to 53.5 million police interactions. You remember the stat where 73% of Americans are white vs. 12.7% black and then again, black Americans are 3x as likely to be shot. You're point makes no sense, but that isn't uncommon in what you post. You like to parrot Qanon a lot.

You can keep arguing this, but there won't be anyone to read it. You do realize this is bad from any angle right?

Facts from the Bureau of Justice in 2016.


More of the same bullshit, look at the numbers of interactions and not the idiot multiples based on racial percentage. For every single interaction with a police officer, a white person is more likely to be killed than a black person. No matter why or where or what is the cause of the interaction, once it happens, whites get the short end of the stick.

Now, if you want to discuss the WHY there is an interaction in the first place, then we can look at crime rates based on location which is far more telling than race since it accounts for a lot more than just genetics. Turns out, crime ridden areas breed more crime so you are more likely to see police there. Amazing how that works. There simply is no possible stretch of the imagination where you can normalize for cultural norms of crime and violence that doesn't put white people on the short end. The sad fact is, in a culture of criminality and violence, you get much more interactions with police and thus more raw dead people per 1000 people but the deaths compared to interactions shows police are less likely to kill blacks than whites.

And when you are trying to push simplistic arguments about the percentage of white to black you are ignoring any real measure of deaths per 1000 interactions.

The final analysis is, if you don't want to get killed by cops, don't commit crimes and don't resist arrest. Point blank, period. Any other so called "solution" is simply nonsensical hogwash.

FlayedAngel
08-22-2020, 11:33 PM
The final analysis is, if you don't want to get killed by cops, don't commit crimes and don't resist arrest. Point blank, period. Any other so called "solution" is simply nonsensical hogwash.
That's a childishly naive view -- this whole "no crime, no resistance, no problem" bullshit assumes a world wherein zero citizens are wrongly apprehended or otherwise put in harm's way by cops, where zero cops are corrupt or capable of crime (racially motivated or otherwise), and where 100% of arrests and shootings are justified. If you believe that no one has ever been harassed, beaten, or killed by cops without sufficient cause, then congrats... you're a fucking idiot.

That's not the world we live in, whether you believe it or not.

~Rocktar~
08-23-2020, 12:35 AM
That's a childishly naive view -- this whole "no crime, no resistance, no problem" bullshit assumes a world wherein zero citizens are wrongly apprehended or otherwise put in harm's way by cops, where zero cops are corrupt or capable of crime (racially motivated or otherwise), and where 100% of arrests and shootings are justified. If you believe that no one has ever been harassed, beaten, or killed by cops without sufficient cause, then congrats... you're a fucking idiot.

That's not the world we live in, whether you believe it or not.

Yes, let's argue to the extremes in an attempt to support our incorrect assertion that not committing crimes is the best way to not get killed by the police. Which is exactly what you are doing. And you flip flop worse than Romney and Biden on issues. On the riots you argue that "most protesters are peaceful" so that means the violence doesn't happen. Here you are arguing that "some cops are bad" so the the whole premise is bad. Clearly, it's a case of whatever supports your false narrative.

Assuming that 5% of all killings and arrests are made by corrupt, abusive, psychopathic, murdering cops (A number I pulled out of the air and one that is insanely higher than the real evidence of police malfeasance suggests) that still leaves 95% OF ALL ARRESTS AND KILLINGS as preventable by not committing a crime. Seriously, you are arguing in the most ridiculous manner possible.

Let's review your arguments:
'Most protesters are peaceful so the reports of riots are fake, I just don't see it happening so it isn't happening that way despite hours and hours of video evidence.'
'The Feds showed up and FORCED people to riot, attack the cops, use weapons, chemicals and explosives against the cops and to commit uncounted crimes.'
'Some cops are bad so not committing crime is not the best way to keep from being killed by a cop.'

Laughable.

Tgo01
08-23-2020, 01:00 AM
Police make 2nd arrest in theft of MAGA hat outside of Democratic Convention in Wilmington (https://www.wdel.com/news/police-make-2nd-arrest-in-theft-of-maga-hat-outside-of-democratic-convention-in-wilmington/article_46fb8780-e4c6-11ea-9ffd-0f5b95771c54.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

tl;dr: A largely peaceful Democrat ripped a sign out of a Trump supporter's hand and tore it up, meanwhile her largely peaceful friend stole a MAGA hat from a 7 year old boy. When the boy tried to get the hat back after the woman threw it on the ground she stomped on his hand.

Both largely peaceful women have been arrested and charged with several crimes.

FlayedAngel
08-23-2020, 01:50 AM
Yes, let's argue to the extremes in an attempt to support our incorrect assertion that not committing crimes is the best way to not get killed by the police. Which is exactly what you are doing. And you flip flop worse than Romney and Biden on issues. On the riots you argue that "most protesters are peaceful" so that means the violence doesn't happen. Here you are arguing that "some cops are bad" so the the whole premise is bad. Clearly, it's a case of whatever supports your false narrative.
That's not what I'm arguing at all, dipshit -- I've explained before the distinction between violence supported by systemic power and violence committed by individuals with no power... but I suppose you don't know the difference between apples and oranges, either.



Assuming that 5% of all killings and arrests are made by corrupt, abusive, psychopathic, murdering cops (A number I pulled out of the air and one that is insanely higher than the real evidence of police malfeasance suggests) that still leaves 95% OF ALL ARRESTS AND KILLINGS as preventable by not committing a crime. Seriously, you are arguing in the most ridiculous manner possible.
I understand that the point you're trying to make is that you're statistically less likely to have an encounter (lethal or otherwise) with law enforcement if you aren't involved with criminal activity -- like no shit, that's not the point I was making.

The point is that none of that matters at all if you happen to be in that unfortunate 5% -- that is what it's about, accountability and action regarding that five percent.

Another solution that's not hogwash would be to work productively on that five percent instead of just passively going, "Oh well, sucks to be you... don't commit any crimes, I guess."



Let's review your arguments:
'Most protesters are peaceful so the reports of riots are fake, I just don't see it happening so it isn't happening that way despite hours and hours of video evidence.'
'The Feds showed up and FORCED people to riot, attack the cops, use weapons, chemicals and explosives against the cops and to commit uncounted crimes.'
'Some cops are bad so not committing crime is not the best way to keep from being killed by a cop.'

Laughable.
That's your distorted take on what you think my opinion is, not my actual opinion.

I never said rioting didn't occur, I never said violence hadn't happened -- I said (again, weeks ago) that the protests here were far less violent than a portion of the media were portraying them to be. That's a simple fact. I also pointed out that there are a number of different and unrelated factions at work, some of which I even vehemently disagree with, taking different approaches but being labelled as the same thing because they share a stage. Fucking again, use your brain and learn to differentiate. And for future reference: someone else repeating something I said ad nauseam simply because they have the delusional notion that it proves some kind of beleaguered point has even less to to do with me than the above.

Maybe read my fuckin' posts before you claim to know my arguments.

FlayedAngel
08-23-2020, 02:14 AM
Police make 2nd arrest in theft of MAGA hat outside of Democratic Convention in Wilmington (https://www.wdel.com/news/police-make-2nd-arrest-in-theft-of-maga-hat-outside-of-democratic-convention-in-wilmington/article_46fb8780-e4c6-11ea-9ffd-0f5b95771c54.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

tl;dr: A largely peaceful Democrat ripped a sign out of a Trump supporter's hand and tore it up, meanwhile her largely peaceful friend stole a MAGA hat from a 7 year old boy. When the boy tried to get the hat back after the woman threw it on the ground she stomped on his hand.

Both largely peaceful women have been arrested and charged with several crimes.
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Tgo01
08-23-2020, 02:25 AM
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Largely peaceful Karens, yes.

FlayedAngel
08-23-2020, 02:40 AM
Largely peaceful Karens, yes.
Didn't sound largely peaceful to me.

Neveragain
08-23-2020, 07:14 AM
Police make 2nd arrest in theft of MAGA hat outside of Democratic Convention in Wilmington (https://www.wdel.com/news/police-make-2nd-arrest-in-theft-of-maga-hat-outside-of-democratic-convention-in-wilmington/article_46fb8780-e4c6-11ea-9ffd-0f5b95771c54.html#utm_campaign=blox&utm_source=twitter&utm_medium=social)

tl;dr: A largely peaceful Democrat ripped a sign out of a Trump supporter's hand and tore it up, meanwhile her largely peaceful friend stole a MAGA hat from a 7 year old boy. When the boy tried to get the hat back after the woman threw it on the ground she stomped on his hand.

Both largely peaceful women have been arrested and charged with several crimes.

Not to worry, it's twice as likely these women will receive no incarceration time simply because they have a vagina. If by chance they do, the time they receive will be 65% less than what a man would receive because they have a vagina.

Tgo01
08-23-2020, 07:19 AM
Not to worry, it's twice as likely these women will receive no incarceration time simply because they have a vagina. If by chance they do, the time they receive will be 65% less than what a man would receive because they have a vagina.

This patriarchy has some serious flaws.

Solkern
08-23-2020, 07:34 AM
Yes, let's argue to the extremes in an attempt to support our incorrect assertion that not committing crimes is the best way to not get killed by the police.

Laughable.

You give extremes on a consistent basis here to support your incorrect assertions, and you gave the perfect response to your own dumbass comment. You're right, it is laughable.

Ashlander
08-23-2020, 09:28 AM
Here doggy doggy doggy.

Thread: What Leftists really want 8/22/2020
Get even more triggered and tell us for the 100th time how much you don't care about rep.. while crying real tears and gnashing your teeth in anger. Poor little thing. - Parkbandit

Good boy.

6th negative rep this month from you. High mark even by your standards. Hell. I only posted 23 times all month. Stalker much? LOL. No tears here, other than laughter at you. Everybody is funny sometimes, even you, intentional or not.

Today is the 23rd...and you're still whining about the neg rep you get. You call him a stalker but how many times do you mention him in your posts? Everybody is funny sometimes, even you, intentional or not.

Parkbandit
08-23-2020, 02:35 PM
Here doggy doggy doggy.

Thread: What Leftists really want 8/22/2020
Get even more triggered and tell us for the 100th time how much you don't care about rep.. while crying real tears and gnashing your teeth in anger. Poor little thing. - Parkbandit

Good boy.

6th negative rep this month from you. High mark even by your standards. Hell. I only posted 23 times all month. Stalker much? LOL. No tears here, other than laughter at you. Everybody is funny sometimes, even you, intentional or not.

I've given you 6 negative reps this month and you've responded to every single one of them.

Doggy doggy doggy.... no, I can't give you that much credit. Dogs are far more intelligent.

You're like a sock puppet.. only not as fun.

Methais
08-24-2020, 01:25 PM
Here doggy doggy doggy.

Thread: What Leftists really want 8/22/2020
Get even more triggered and tell us for the 100th time how much you don't care about rep.. while crying real tears and gnashing your teeth in anger. Poor little thing. - Parkbandit

Good boy.

6th negative rep this month from you. High mark even by your standards. Hell. I only posted 23 times all month. Stalker much? LOL. No tears here, other than laughter at you. Everybody is funny sometimes, even you, intentional or not.

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