Manafort

[time4fun]

Should Trump fire McGahn so he can pardon Manafort? He should do it this weekend when nobody is watching. Saturday night would be a good time.

No because Mueller is absolutely ready for this, and it's going to be painful for Trump if he tries.

The GOP will lose the Senate if he does it before Nov.

[Wrathbringer]

No because Mueller is absolutely ready for this, and it's going to be painful for Trump if he tries.

The GOP will lose the Senate if he does it before Nov.

you're retarded.

[cwolff]

He should do it. He owns the GOP and there is very little he could do to turn them off at this point. Trump should begin his rampage and give us another Saturday Night Massacre.

[time4fun]

He should do it. He owns the GOP and there is very little he could do to turn them off at this point. Trump should begin his rampage and give us another Saturday Night Massacre.

The fact that he's been arguing with McGahan makes it an even more dangerous proposition. He's basically been creating the prosecution's star witness.

[cwolff]

The fact that he's been arguing with McGahan makes it an even more dangerous proposition. He's basically been creating the prosecution's star witness.

I bet he has a way to make people want to testify against him. LOL

They staged some sort of intervention with him this weekend but it didn't take. He spent the past few days having a tantrum and I understand Rudy is complaining that Mueller hasn't gotten him back to him about their last offer of a negotiated interview and it's been 3 weeks. Lots of crazy news, everyday.

[SHAFT]

The fact that he's been arguing with McGahan makes it an even more dangerous proposition. He's basically been creating the prosecution's star witness.

Pardon Manafort? Sounds exciting!

After Trump pardon's him, SDNY attorney's will drop state charges on Manafort.

[time4fun]

Pardon Manafort? Sounds exciting!

After Trump pardon's him, SDNY attorney's will drop state charges on Manafort.

I think tomorrow is the deadline for Mueller's team to decide to retry those 10 charges. It'll be interesting to see what they decide.

I think Manafort is in trouble no matter what at this point.

[time4fun]

I bet he has a way to make people want to testify against him. LOL

They staged some sort of intervention with him this weekend but it didn't take. He spent the past few days having a tantrum and I understand Rudy is complaining that Mueller hasn't gotten him back to him about their last offer of a negotiated interview and it's been 3 weeks. Lots of crazy news, everyday.

Imagine what Manafort knows. He's the only person who is about to get a Pardon. Trump must be terrified.

[Androidpk]

The most interesting thing about this is it suggests that Mueller may be at a point where he no longer feels like he needs Manafort.

This is what I'm thinking.

[Androidpk]

I bet he has a way to make people want to testify against him. LOL

They staged some sort of intervention with him this weekend but it didn't take. He spent the past few days having a tantrum and I understand Rudy is complaining that Mueller hasn't gotten him back to him about their last offer of a negotiated interview and it's been 3 weeks. Lots of crazy news, everyday.

No, they TRIED to stage an intervention - Rudy G, Tom Barrack, and a couple of others, but Trump wouldn't even take the meeting.

[cwolff]

No, they TRIED to stage an intervention - Rudy G, Tom Barrack, and a couple of others, but Trump wouldn't even take the meeting.

I see the problem. They told him Barrack was there.

[Androidpk]

I think tomorrow is the deadline for Mueller's team to decide to retry those 10 charges. It'll be interesting to see what they decide.

I think Manafort is in trouble no matter what at this point.

According to Marcy Wheeler the deadline for motions in EDVA is Sept 3.

https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/08/26/what-happens-on-september-7/

[SHAFT]

Imagine what Manafort knows. He's the only person who is about to get a Pardon. Trump must be terrified.

I know it’s been mentioned, but Manafort tried to get the banker from Chicago a position in the administration.

Manafort brought Pence in. I can’t imagine he brought Pence in for free.

I want to know the story behind Manafort and Pence.

[Androidpk]

The trial being delayed is bad news for Trump as it places the eventual verdict much closer to election day.

[cwolff]

Here's an interesting news tidbit that just popped up:


A one-time banker for Paul Manafort,..., reportedly had his home burglarized overnight and several items stolen.
David Fallarino, whose two assistants testified against Manafort during his trial but did not participate himself, told police that he had heard a noise on his terrace around 1:30 a.m. Tuesday and went out to find a crowbar lying on the terrace without any other signs of forced entry, sources told NBC 4 New York.

Fallarino added that he had likely left his terrace door unlocked, allowing the suspect or suspects to enter without issue and steal an iPad, a briefcase, and a pair of sneakers, according to law enforcement sources.

http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/404021-manaforts-one-time-banker-robbed-overnight-report

[Methais]

Here's an interesting news tidbit that just popped up:



http://thehill.com/policy/national-security/404021-manaforts-one-time-banker-robbed-overnight-report

OMG OMG OMG OMG THIS IS REALLY IT!!!!!!!!11

[time4fun]

The trial being delayed is bad news for Trump as it places the eventual verdict much closer to election day.

It also raises the possibility that he's still trying to negotiate a plea deal.

[ClydeR]

Should Trump fire McGahn so he can pardon Manafort?



I won't say I told you so because that would be in bad taste.


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[time4fun]

I won't say I told you so because that would be in bad taste.


https://pbs.twimg.com/media/Dlxi0P3U8AE6JUm.jpg

Yeah...Trump is like a dog with a bone when it comes to obstruction.

Other big thing to remember is that McGahn is the one who talked him out of firing Mueller. (By threatening to quit)

[Androidpk]

More obstruction for Mueller to investigate.

[Tgo01]

Okay we can go ahead and stop quoting Jeffrey Toobin about anything because he just proved what a complete dumbass he is with this comment:

"The theme here is: I'm Donald Trump and I'll protect you from the scary black people. Antifa is widely perceived as an African American organization."

I have legit never seen a single black person in Antifa, it's always pasty faced white people. But now suddenly they are an "African American" organization after Trump dared to call them out for their shit.

[time4fun]

More obstruction for Mueller to investigate.

Assuming he's around.

Removing McGahn and Sessions would clear his path. And the Senate is already hedging on their Sessions support.

At that point, the only thing that could reasonably get in the way would be a Democratic House.

[time4fun]

Okay we can go ahead and stop quoting Jeffrey Toobin about anything because he just proved what a complete dumbass he is with this comment:

"The theme here is: I'm Donald Trump and I'll protect you from the scary black people. Antifa is widely perceived as an African American organization."

I have legit never seen a single black person in Antifa, it's always pasty faced white people. But now suddenly they are an "African American" organization after Trump dared to call them out for their shit.

I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with Manafort again?

[Tgo01]

I'm sorry, but what does this have to do with Manafort again?

Since Toobin has been quoted at least once in this topic that I can recall. Just wanted to make sure you all know to never quote him again. Tgo has spoken.

[Androidpk]

Assuming he's around.

Removing McGahn and Sessions would clear his path. And the Senate is already hedging on their Sessions support.

At that point, the only thing that could reasonably get in the way would be a Democratic House.

I'm not sure about this but couldn't the House rehire Mueller?

[time4fun]

I'm not sure about this but couldn't the House rehire Mueller?

To investigate, yes. But he wouldn't have any prosecutorial power. The only way to give him that would be by passing another law like they did after Nixon.

And when you're investigating a corrupt Executive Branch- you really don't have any teeth in Congress. The only leverage he would theoretically have to try to make people submit evidence/sit for interviews/etc would be Contempt of Congress. But that's ultimately just a referral to the DoJ- who decides if they want to act on it.

[time4fun]

Mueller's team requested an extension in their determination of whether or not to retry the 10 charges resulting in a mistrial.

Under the circumstances, even Ellis would be hard-pressed to deny the motion.

[Androidpk]

Mueller's team requested an extension in their determination of whether or not to retry the 10 charges resulting in a mistrial.

Under the circumstances, even Ellis would be hard-pressed to deny the motion.

Manafort's defense team agreed to it so Ellis likely won't care either.

[~Rocktar~]

Mueller's team requested an extension in their determination of whether or not to retry the 10 charges resulting in a mistrial.

Under the circumstances, even Ellis would be hard-pressed to deny the motion.

Which means they have jack over shit and are wasting time. If you can't decide that you want to retry after fucking up the first time, either you know your case sucks rocks or you are stalling so that people don't find out that your case sucks rocks. There is no valid reason to delay on the decision, either they want to go forward or they don't.

[time4fun]

Which means they have jack over shit and are wasting time. If you can't decide that you want to retry after fucking up the first time, either you know your case sucks rocks or you are stalling so that people don't find out that your case sucks rocks. There is no valid reason to delay on the decision, either they want to go forward or they don't.

PLEASE do research before you talk.

Really.

This is just embarrassing.

[Tgo01]

PLEASE do research before you talk.

Really.

This is just embarrassing.

I wouldn't mess with her if I were you, Rocktar. Her work entails knowing all about Google's algorithms.

[Androidpk]

Which means they have jack over shit and are wasting time. If you can't decide that you want to retry after fucking up the first time, either you know your case sucks rocks or you are stalling so that people don't find out that your case sucks rocks. There is no valid reason to delay on the decision, either they want to go forward or they don't.

They didn't fuck up, all but one of the jurors were thoroughly convinced that Manafort was guilty on all charges. The only reason why they asked for an extension is because Manafort's lawyers requested a 30 day extension on their deadline to file post trial motions. Mueller's lawyers aren't going to decide on trying the hung jury charges until Manafort files his motion. That and they're probably still engaged in talks regarding a plea deal/cooperation.

[~Rocktar~]

Oh bullfuck, they know good and well if they want to retry and seriously, if you can't get the jurors to agree then you fucked up. That's how our system works no matter if you like it or not.

And time4idiocy you believe Socialism is ok, you can't be embarrassed by anything.

[Androidpk]

Oh bullfuck, they know good and well if they want to retry and seriously, if you can't get the jurors to agree then you fucked up. That's how our system works no matter if you like it or not.

And time4idiocy you believe Socialism is ok, you can't be embarrassed by anything.

Yes, I'm sure they do know if they intend to or not, but like I said they aren't going to file their paperwork until Manafort does and nor should they.

[time4fun]

Oh bullfuck, they know good and well if they want to retry and seriously, if you can't get the jurors to agree then you fucked up. That's how our system works no matter if you like it or not.

And time4idiocy you believe Socialism is ok, you can't be embarrassed by anything.

ROFL

PK even boiled it down for you in a few simple sentences, and you STILL don't understand.

Mueller's team can't make a filing right now because Manafort's team hasn't made its final filings. It's routine for the defense to request a mistrial on all charges so they have something to appeal if they decide to go that route. Ellis will then deny the motions. THEN Mueller's team can make their decision.

Prosecution would NEVER file a motion to retry any charges until they know which charges result in a mistrial.

But you know, you're SO well informed about these issues. I'm sure you already knew that and were just pretending to be an idiot.

[SHAFT]

ROFL

PK even boiled it down for you in a few simple sentences, and you STILL don't understand.

Mueller's team can't make a filing right now because Manafort's team hasn't made its final filings. It's routine for the defense to request a mistrial on all charges so they have something to appeal if they decide to go that route. Ellis will then deny the motions. THEN Mueller's team can make their decision.

Prosecution would NEVER file a motion to retry any charges until they know which charges result in a mistrial.

But you know, you're SO well informed about these issues. I'm sure you already knew that and were just pretending to be an idiot.

She's an Alabama fan. 'Nuff said

[Androidpk]

Samuel Patten, an associate of former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort, was charged Friday with failing to register as a foreign agent for a pro-Russian Ukrainian political party.

The case, being handled by the U.S. attorney for Washington, was referred by special counsel Robert Mueller. The matter was scheduled for an 11 a.m. hearing in a D.C. federal court before Judge Amy Berman Jackson, who is also expected to preside over Manafort's upcoming trial on money laundering charges.

Patten's company allegedly received more than $1 million for its Ukraine work from 2015 to 2017, and contacted officials in Congress and the Executive Branch without properly registering as a foreign agent.

[cwolff]

Former Trump campaign chairman Paul Manafort is reportedly considering an agreement with prosecutors that would involve him pleading guilty on some charges in exchange for avoiding a second trial set to begin this month in Washington, D.C.
A source close to Manafort's negotiations told Bloomberg News that the former Trump associate's lawyers have discussed the number of charges Manafort may admit to and the length of a sentence to be recommended by prosecutors.


Manafort may be throwing in the towel.

[Androidpk]

Manafort may be throwing in the towel.

Mueller is going to want conspiracy to defraud and FARA.

[Androidpk]

Sounds like they've reached a plea deal. Whether or not that includes cooperation remains to be seen but it should be revealed tomorrow in court.

[cwolff]

Sounds like they've reached a plea deal. Whether or not that includes cooperation remains to be seen but it should be revealed tomorrow in court.

At some point he'll have to cut off contact with trump's lawyers. I assume they've already walked through the ins and outs of a pardon and I wonder if Mueller has enough to stymie that.

[Androidpk]

At some point he'll have to cut off contact with trump's lawyers. I assume they've already walked through the ins and outs of a pardon and I wonder if Mueller has enough to stymie that.

It certainly doesn't reflect well on Trump that this defense agreement exists.

[Fortybox]

Sounds like they've reached a plea deal. Whether or not that includes cooperation remains to be seen but it should be revealed tomorrow in court.

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[Methais]

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[Androidpk]

Mueller is going to want conspiracy to defraud and FARA.

Called it. Plus with the 46 million in assets seized the OSC just paid for itself. Winning!

[Androidpk]

President Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort is pleading guilty Friday to two criminal charges Friday, under terms of a plea deal that includes his cooperation as a potential witness for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

The decision by Manafort to provide evidence in exchange for leniency on sentencing is a stunning development in the long-running probe into whether any Trump associates may have conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election.

Manafort’s defenders have long insisted that he would not cooperate with Mueller, and didn’t know any incriminating information against the president.

Prosecutor Andrew Weissmann said at the beginning of Friday’s plea hearing that Manafort has agreed to cooperate with investigators.

[Wrathbringer]

President Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort is pleading guilty Friday to two criminal charges Friday, under terms of a plea deal that includes his cooperation as a potential witness for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

The decision by Manafort to provide evidence in exchange for leniency on sentencing is a stunning development in the long-running probe into whether any Trump associates may have conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election.

Manafort’s defenders have long insisted that he would not cooperate with Mueller, and didn’t know any incriminating information against the president.

Prosecutor Andrew Weissmann said at the beginning of Friday’s plea hearing that Manafort has agreed to cooperate with investigators.

So still nothing related to russia or the election, huh. Shocking. Also, subpoena subpoena and THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Ashliana]

So still nothing related to russia or the election, huh. Shocking. Also, subpoena subpoena and THIS IS REALLY IT THIS TIME GUYS!!!!!!!!!!!!

Yeah, it's just a random, unrelated coincidence that five members of Trump's campaign have been convicted so far. Really weird coincidence. Super weird.

[cwolff]

President Trump’s former campaign chairman Paul Manafort is pleading guilty Friday to two criminal charges Friday, under terms of a plea deal that includes his cooperation as a potential witness for special counsel Robert S. Mueller III.

The decision by Manafort to provide evidence in exchange for leniency on sentencing is a stunning development in the long-running probe into whether any Trump associates may have conspired with Russia to influence the 2016 election.

Manafort’s defenders have long insisted that he would not cooperate with Mueller, and didn’t know any incriminating information against the president.

Prosecutor Andrew Weissmann said at the beginning of Friday’s plea hearing that Manafort has agreed to cooperate with investigators.

He's a flipper. All that tough talk and now even Paul's cooperating.

[cwolff]

Yeah, it's just a random, unrelated coincidence that five members of Trump's campaign have been convicted so far. Really weird coincidence. Super weird.

If nothing else it shows clearly that the President of the United States has such terrible judgement he's a threat to national security. How can we have a president who routinely and accidentally(?) hires criminals, then defends those criminals as good guys.

[Wrathbringer]

If nothing else it shows clearly that the President of the United States has such terrible judgement he's a threat to national security. How can we have a president who routinely and accidentally(?) hires criminals, then defends those criminals as good guys.

So you admit it shows nothing else. Finally.

[Some Rogue]

So you admit it shows nothing else. Finally.

So you admit you're a retard who flings shit like a monkey. Finally.

[Androidpk]

He's a flipper. All that tough talk and now even Paul's cooperating.

Trump said recently how brave Manafort was for not talking, and now he's likely testifying in front of the grand jury at this very moment.. :lol:

[cwolff]

Trump said recently how brave Manafort was for not talking, and now he's likely testifying in front of the grand jury at this very moment.. :lol:

I'd love to know the atmosphere in the WH today. LOL Trump's got to be P I S S E D

[Wrathbringer]

I shart my pants for hours playing gs on the weekends

ooookaaay...

[Astray]

I'd love to know the atmosphere in the WH today. LOL Trump's got to be P I S S E D

I assume Trump would be aware first thing, before it was even broken as a story. I'm expecting an angry tweet but other than that I'm pretty sure shit's functioning like it has been.

[Wrathbringer]

I assume Trump would be aware first thing, before it was even broken as a story. I'm expecting an angry tweet but other than that I'm pretty sure shit's functioning like it has been.

Yeah, there's nothing related to collusion with manafort so it doesn't really matter to him, I'd say.

[Androidpk]

I'd love to know the atmosphere in the WH today. LOL Trump's got to be P I S S E D

There is a tweet storm warning for the next 48 hours.

[cwolff]

There is a tweet storm warning for the next 48 hours.

He's got a whole weekend in “the devil’s workshop” with nothing but cable news and time on his hands.

[ClydeR]

Imagine what Manafort knows. He's the only person who is about to get a Pardon. Trump must be terrified.


I am completely confused for the first time ever. Trump announced as clearly as possible that he intended to pardon Manafort, and Trump said as clearly as possible that it was because Manafort was not a "rat." Manafort has jeopardized his chances of getting a pardon. A pardon was his only chance to avoid going to jail. Why did he do it?

I can think of three possibilities, none of which are very convincing. First, Manafort may have reached an agreement that avoided forfeiture of his entire fortune. Asset forfeiture would have been a punishment for his crimes if he were convicted. Second, Mueller may have been able to work out something on the state crimes for which Trump cannot pardon Manafort. The state crimes, for those of you who don't know, would include the same tax fraud. If you cheat on your federal taxes, then you need to cheat on your state taxes too so that the two are consistent. Third, it may have something to do with avoiding legal jeopardy for Manafort's spouse or children.

I think there must be something more to it. Some secret so dark and terrible that it exceeds my imagination.

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[peam]

Analysis that the plea agreement is pardon-proof: https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/14/the-manafort-plea-is-pardon-proof/

[Androidpk]

Analysis that the plea agreement is pardon-proof: https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/14/the-manafort-plea-is-pardon-proof/

EW is the boss.

[cwolff]

WASHINGTON — Donald Trump is telling friends and aides in private that things are going great — for him.

Some reasons: He's decided that a key witness in the Russia probe, Paul Manafort, isn't going to "flip" and sell him out, friends and aides say. He believes Robert Mueller, who heads the investigation, can be crushed, if necessary, without being fired. Sweeping tax and regulatory cuts will juice the economy and get him re-elected in 2020, he is predicting. He thinks he's learned how to handle the dysfunction of Congress. And he's even come to like the White House, the bad plumbing and drafty halls notwithstanding. "I love this place!" he told one friend.

In other words, as he prepares to deliver his first State of the Union address on Tuesday night, the president is very pleased to report that the State of Donald Trump himself is nothing short of fantastic.


LOL


Not sure about the pardon thing anymore. Check out this tweet thread and see if it makes any sense to you. https://twitter.com/emptywheel/status/1040622626924883968


Reasons why this is pardon proof:

1) Mueller already got the key pieces of testimony a pardon would thwart.
2) Manafort is subject to civil forfeiture; he loses $46M even w/pardon.
3) The dropped charges can be filed in states.

A pardon, at this point, does nothing. Nothing.

If Manafort's already given key evidence that trump wanted to stay secret then the pardon's too late. He also can't pardon to save his ass.

[Androidpk]

My money is on Mueller already having testimony from Manafort, especially in regards to the Trump Tower meeting.

[cwolff]

Giuliani said in an initial statement Friday that the probe into Manafort “has concluded with a plea having nothing to do with President Trump or the Trump campaign.”
“The reason: the President did nothing wrong and Paul Manafort will tell the truth,” the first statement read.

The president’s legal team reportedly issued a second statement shortly afterward that only said the “president did nothing wrong”


Ooops. Hahahaha! These fucking clowns.


My money is on Mueller already having testimony from Manafort, especially in regards to the Trump Tower meeting.

It sounds like something went down. EW is talking about the 1.5 hour delay this morning that seems to be a key event. They're saying that this was probably a last minute deal and last minute cooperation where Manafort spilled the beans. I don't know of course. It's all speculation but it's not good for the trumplicans

[Androidpk]

Manafort will be required to give interviews, briefings, turn over documents and provide testimony. F5 Friday ftw.

[ClydeR]

After Papadopoulos was sentenced, Trump tweeted that the government had spent $28 million on the Russia investigation. After today's conviction and more than $40 million of forfeitures by Manafort, the Mueller investigation is operating at a surplus.





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[Methais]

Manafort will be required to give interviews, briefings, turn over documents and provide testimony. F5 Friday ftw.


This is going to be an F5 Friday.


A little weird for this to be leaking late at night. Tomorrow is gonna be an F5 Friday.


F5 Friday.

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[time4fun]

My money is on Mueller already having testimony from Manafort, especially in regards to the Trump Tower meeting.

I'm inclined to agree. Mueller would have wanted some assurances.

And whatever they got must have been at least reasonably important. Manafort is likely effectively getting off with no actual additional jail time from the second set of charges.

Though the fact that he agreed to give up all of his money gives me some pause. I wonder if Mueller's team actually had more on him- some Collusion-related charges for example (Rick Gates has been cooperating for a while now).

[Wrathbringer]

I'm inclined to agree. Mueller would have wanted some assurances.

And whatever they got must have been at least reasonably important. Manafort is likely effectively getting off with no actual additional jail time from the second set of charges.

Though the fact that he agreed to give up all of his money gives me some pause. I wonder if Mueller's team actually had more on him- some Collusion-related charges for example (Rick Gates has been cooperating for a while now).

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[Androidpk]

I'm wondering about the asset part as well. Maybe he did that so they wouldn't go after his wife?

[cwolff]

According to his lawyer:

Manafort's lawyer says the former Trump campaign chairman cut a deal with prosecutors "to make sure that his family was able to remain safe and live a good life." (Sept. 14) AP

That's odd phrasing. How would his family be not safe if he kept up his defense?

[time4fun]

I'm wondering about the asset part as well. Maybe he did that so they wouldn't go after his wife?

I think you're hitting on one of the possibilities here: that in some way, shape, or form this deal is a better deal for Manafort than meets the eye. (Saved his family, staved off even more charges, etc)

Or he was likely going to lose it anyway in the case so it was a sunk cost

[Astray]

According to his lawyer:

Manafort's lawyer says the former Trump campaign chairman cut a deal with prosecutors "to make sure that his family was able to remain safe and live a good life." (Sept. 14) AP

That's odd phrasing. How would his family be not safe if he kept up his defense?

Allegedly, when that pornstar came out and said some stuff on Trump she claims that the big pushing factor were men approaching her telling her they know where her kid was. I'm not 100% but if that did happen, shit is worrisome to say the minimal.

[time4fun]

According to his lawyer:

Manafort's lawyer says the former Trump campaign chairman cut a deal with prosecutors "to make sure that his family was able to remain safe and live a good life." (Sept. 14) AP

That's odd phrasing. How would his family be not safe if he kept up his defense?

Likely it's just what PK said- they went after a bunch of assets but agreed to leave enough for the family.

The more taudry interpretation is that the information he has puts his family in jeopardy. That's always been a suspicion, that's really all it's been

[Tgo01]

Analysis that the plea agreement is pardon-proof: https://www.emptywheel.net/2018/09/14/the-manafort-plea-is-pardon-proof/

You should probably stop reading shit websites.

[cwolff]

Allegedly, when that pornstar came out and said some stuff on Trump she claims that the big pushing factor were men approaching her telling her they know where her kid was. I'm not 100% but if that did happen, shit is worrisome to say the minimal.

Ya right. We may never know about half this stuff. It could have been some throw away line to somehow make his client look like a stand up guy doing right by his family.

[Androidpk]

According to his lawyer:

Manafort's lawyer says the former Trump campaign chairman cut a deal with prosecutors "to make sure that his family was able to remain safe and live a good life." (Sept. 14) AP

That's odd phrasing. How would his family be not safe if he kept up his defense?

See my comment above.

[time4fun]

Allegedly, when that pornstar came out and said some stuff on Trump she claims that the big pushing factor were men approaching her telling her they know where her kid was. I'm not 100% but if that did happen, shit is worrisome to say the minimal.

If it IS something along those lines, it's likely not Trump he's worried about. Allegedly, there have been a lot of suspicious deaths and disappearances among people suspected of being informants for Steele or cut-outs for the Russian government.

I'm not sure how much of that has actually been verified though

[cwolff]

See my comment above.

I never heard about his wife. Maybe Mueller kept that in his back pocket for the final application of pressure he needed.

[Androidpk]

You should probably stop reading shit websites.

What is shitty about her website exactly? Her analysis has been spot on this entire time.

[Androidpk]

I never heard about his wife. Maybe Mueller kept that in his back pocket for the final application of pressure he needed.

IIRC her name was on some of the fraudulent loans alongside her husband's.

[Androidpk]

Manafort has more to fear from the Russians than Trump. The new document Active Measures goes into the number of highly suspicious deaths that have been going on since the tail end of 2016.

[cwolff]

Manafort has more to fear from the Russians than Trump. The new document Active Measures goes into the number of highly suspicious deaths that have been going on since the tail end of 2016.

That's no joke. Did you see the Pussy Riot dude who may have just been poisoned?

Russia's corrupt as fuck but the trump voter is as enamored with Putin as they are with our little mini-tyrant.


Viktor Zolotov, who used to be Vladimir Putin's bodyguard, promised Mr Navalny "payback" and said he would "make a juicy beefsteak out of" him.

Mr Navalny published a video last month alleging that National Guard leaders were corrupt - angering Mr Zolotov. Mr Navalny is currently in jail for breaking anti-protest laws.
He is Russia's most prominent opposition leader and has led nationwide protests against the authorities.

However, he was banned from running for president this year because of a conviction for embezzlement which he describes as politically motivated.

[Tgo01]

What is shitty about her website exactly? Her analysis has been spot on this entire time.

I guess any day now we'll be hearing about Mueller charging Trump with a crime then.

Any day now...

[Androidpk]

I'm surprised Navalny hasn't been killed already.

[Androidpk]

I guess any day now we'll be hearing about Mueller charging Trump with a crime then.

Any day now...

You didn't answer.

[Tgo01]

You didn't answer.

And the 6 year old wearing glasses with a slight limp enters the ring.

[Astray]

And the 6 year old wearing glasses with a slight limp enters the ring.

8/10 mental image.

[peam]

You should probably stop reading shit websites.

Sweet. Hit me up with some analysis showing how Manafort can be pardoned.

[Androidpk]

And the 6 year old wearing glasses with a slight limp enters the ring.

I see, you don't actually have anything to backup that statement. You only think it's shitty because they're providing an in depth analysis of Trump and the OSC and the outcome is increasingly looking pretty fucking bad for Trump.

[Tgo01]

Sweet. Hit me up with some analysis showing how Manafort can be pardoned.

I was mostly referring to the part where Mueller has the evidence to charge Trump with a crime, but you really believe the part where this plea deal is "pardon proof" too? Like there is some sort of magic loophole that no one has ever thought about before to prevent a presidential pardon?

"Wow" is the only word I can think up.

[peam]

I was mostly referring to the part where Mueller has the evidence to charge Trump with a crime, but you really believe the part where this plea deal is "pardon proof" too? Like there is some sort of magic loophole that no one has ever thought about before to prevent a presidential pardon?

"Wow" is the only word I can think up.

Still waiting for some sources.

[Tgo01]

Still waiting for some sources.

Sure.

Here's what the constitution says:


The President shall be Commander in Chief of the Army and Navy of the United States, and of the Militia of the several States, when called into the actual Service of the United States; he may require the Opinion, in writing, of the principal Officer in each of the executive Departments, upon any Subject relating to the Duties of their respective Offices, and he shall have Power to grant Reprieves and Pardons for Offenses against the United States, except in Cases of Impeachment.

The only exception carved out for pardons is in cases of impeachment. It doesn't state "Unless some craft prosecutor finds a way to prevent a presidential pardon, then the president totes can't issue a pardon for certain crimes."

The president has broad pardon powers for federal crimes. There is no such thing as something being "pardon proof", that is a phrase people have made up to appeal to the far left rabid fanatics and those suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome to make them think people are outsmarting the president when in fact they aren't. Nothing explained in that article suggests Manafort's plea is "pardon proof."

[peam]

Sure.

Here's what the constitution says:



The only exception carved out for pardons is in cases of impeachment. It doesn't state "Unless some craft prosecutor finds a way to prevent a presidential pardon, then the president totes can't issue a pardon for certain crimes."

The president has broad pardon powers for federal crimes. There is no such thing as something being "pardon proof", that is a phrase people have made up to appeal to the far left rabid fanatics and those suffering from Trump Derangement Syndrome to make them think people are outsmarting the president when in fact they aren't. Nothing explained in that article suggests Manafort's plea is "pardon proof."

I understand that being purposefully obtuse is part of your act, but the clear meaning here is not that Trump (or any other President) lacks the power to pardon Manafort. The implication of a 'pardonless plea deal' in this case is that the Justice Department/Special Prosecutor has already gained the cooperation they desired making a pardon useless for anyone but Manafort.

I know the lot of you struggle with reading comprehension and applying context. Hopefully that clears things up a bit.

I'm open-eared if anyone wants to provide some information as to how Manaford agreeing to cooperate is anything but bad news for the Trump administration.

[Androidpk]

It doesn't mean pardon proof as in Trump is not allowed to pardon him, it's that it would be futile because Manafort is already cooperating with Mueller. Plus the exposure to state charges.

[Tgo01]

The implication of a 'pardonless plea deal' in this case is that the Justice Department/Special Prosecutor has already gained the cooperation they desired making a pardon useless for anyone but Manafort.

No they haven't. The plea deal includes Manafort forking over documents, telling prosecutors everything he knows, and being a witness in other trials if needed. Trump could pardon him right this minute and Manafort would not be obligated to do any of this. Maybe he has already told them everything he knows so they have that, but they won't have him as a witness in other trials.


I'm open-eared if anyone wants to provide some information as to how Manaford agreeing to cooperate is anything but bad news for the Trump administration.

You're assuming any of this has anything at all to do with Trump or Trump's campaign. Are you aware of ANY evidence at all that links Trump to this Russian collusion shit? Do you actually understand the things that you read?

[Tgo01]

It doesn't mean pardon proof as in Trump is not allowed to pardon him, it's that it would be futile because Manafort is already cooperating with Mueller.

I made a promise to myself I would stop picking on the intellectually challenged as much but dammit you just make it difficult sometimes.

If Trump pardons Manafort tomorrow why would Manafort continue to cooperate? Because he has nothing better to do?


Plus the exposure to state charges.

Again this is more nonsense people love to throw out to think they are outsmarting the president. Everyone knows the president can only pardon federal crimes, states are always free to charge people with crimes unless they are a state like NY that considers federal prosecution when it comes to double jeopardy. And even then it's still up to the states if they wish to pursue charges. Believe it or not the whole country hasn't come down with Trump Derangement Syndrome and they might not want to bother trying whatever case Mueller thinks he has.

The state is under no obligation to NOT prosecute Manafort because of this plea deal so how does this plea deal protect Manafort from state charges? It doesn't. In fact if the state only went after Manafort if he received a pardon that would point to some serious shady shit going on that everyone should be concerned about, but of course a certain segment of our society wouldn't care about.

[Androidpk]

Obtuse troll is obtuse.

[peam]

No they haven't. The plea deal includes Manafort forking over documents, telling prosecutors everything he knows, and being a witness in other trials if needed. Trump could pardon him right this minute and Manafort would not be obligated to do any of this. Maybe he has already told them everything he knows so they have that, but they won't have him as a witness in other trials.



You're assuming any of this has anything at all to do with Trump or Trump's campaign. Are you aware of ANY evidence at all that links Trump to this Russian collusion shit? Do you actually understand the things that you read?

http://i.imgur.com/ipWgVDY.gif

[Tgo01]

Obtuse troll is obtuse.

Aww, did I just teach you how pardons and plea deals work and you can't handle the truth?

It's okay, here's a gold star for trying, skippy.

[peam]

Obtuse troll is obtuse.

It's pointless to even try to engage in good faith. The mental gymnastics are unbelievable.

[Tgo01]

http://i.imgur.com/ipWgVDY.gif

I can imagine how dumb you must feel right now after reading that site thinking "Checkmate, Trump!" because this is a "pardon proof plea deal" and you come to the PC only to have Tgo01 of all people explain to you just how dumb that site is and that you fell for it.

It must suck being peam and Androidpk today, they are reduced to posting lame gifs and 4 word "zingers" in response to my post after having an awful lot to say when they thought they were sounding smart.

[Tgo01]

It's pointless to even try to engage in good faith. The mental gymnastics are unbelievable.

You were "engaging in good faith" a few posts back when you thought your precious site was sacrosanct, but after I had to explain to you how plea deals and pardons work suddenly it's pointless. Again, stop reading shit websites, learn to think for yourself, and learn to do your own research and not rely on some dumb website to tell you how to think. Holy shit you're sounding more retarded than Ashliana in this thread, and that's a feat few can accomplish.

[Androidpk]

It's pointless to even try to engage in good faith. The mental gymnastics are unbelievable.

Seriously. Can't wait to see what he'll do when Mueller wraps up.

[peam]

Cohen and Mueller been having a few chats.

I'm sure it has nothing to do with Trump tho.

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/michael-cohen-mueller

If you hit the paywall: https://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:b_Vpf_1Xm8IJ:https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2018/09/michael-cohen-mueller

[Tgo01]

Okay time to deliver the knockout blow to the 6 year old with a limp and his 8 year old special needs friend.

Here is how a plea deal works:

The government agrees not to prosecute certain crimes in exchange for something, usually a guilty plea but also cooperation in other crimes such as being a witness.
The accused can back out of the agreement at anytime and the only thing the government can do about it is to go ahead and charge them with the crimes they agreed not to charge them with.

So let's break this down for the slow ones of the audience:

Government won't prosecute Manafort for certain crimes as long as he keeps his end of the bargain.
Trump pardons Manafort.
Government threatens to....do absolutely nothing because the only leverage they had was they would prosecute Manafort if he didn't keep his end of the bargain and they now can't prosecute for those crimes.

At this point Manafort is under NO obligation to cooperate with Mueller. Sure he can out of his own free will, but not because of any threats against him via prosecution. Thus this is not a "pardon proof plea deal."

You two just got done served, and you both were wanting to sound so smart when you thought you were right but can now only manage to suck each other's dicks about how stupid you think I am.

Whatever helps you two fucktards sleep better at night.

[peam]

Okay time to deliver the knockout blow to the 6 year old with a limp and his 8 year old special needs friend.

Here is how a plea deal works:

The government agrees not to prosecute certain crimes in exchange for something, usually a guilty plea but also cooperation in other crimes such as being a witness.
The accused can back out of the agreement at anytime and the only thing the government can do about it is to go ahead and charge them with the crimes they agreed not to charge them with.

So let's break this down for the slow ones of the audience:

Government won't prosecute Manafort for certain crimes as long as he keeps his end of the bargain.
Trump pardons Manafort.
Government threatens to....do absolutely nothing because the only leverage they had was they would prosecute Manafort if he didn't keep his end of the bargain and they now can't prosecute for those crimes.

At this point Manafort is under NO obligation to cooperate with Mueller. Sure he can out of his own free will, but not because of any threats against him via prosecution. Thus this is not a "pardon proof plea deal."

You two just got done served, and you both were wanting to sound so smart when you thought you were right but can now only manage to suck each other's dicks about how stupid you think I am.

Whatever helps you two fucktards sleep better at night.

Well, I mean if you discount this line:


The forfeiture in this plea is both criminal and civil, meaning DOJ will be able to get Manafort’s $46 million even with a pardon.

and the fact that the minute that happens Manafort will get pummeled with state charges.

Sure, buddy.

[Androidpk]

You two just got done served, and you both were wanting to sound so smart when you thought you were right but can now only manage to suck each other's dicks about how stupid you think I am.

Whatever helps you two fucktards sleep better at night.

https://media.giphy.com/media/wteUgTJsOc5EY/giphy.gif

[Tgo01]

Well, I mean if you discount this line:


The forfeiture in this plea is both criminal and civil, meaning DOJ will be able to get Manafort’s $46 million even with a pardon.

And you say I'm engaging in "mental gymnastics." This is what you said made this a "pardon proof plea deal":


The implication of a 'pardonless plea deal' in this case is that the Justice Department/Special Prosecutor has already gained the cooperation they desired making a pardon useless for anyone but Manafort.

The fact that they have already gained the cooperation of Manafort. When I point out that Manafort would be under no obligation to cooperate if he's pardoned you switch to "But they got his money either way!" So?


and the fact that the minute that happens Manafort will get pummeled with state charges.

That's not how this works. If the state wants to press charges against Manafort they can do so at anytime, plea deal or no plea deal, pardon or no pardon. The fact that you think this plea deal somehow saves Manafort from state prosecution, or that a presidential pardon would doom him to face state prosecution, shows just how very little you understand about anything that is going on. But you sure are good at telling others they are dumb for "not getting it" so perhaps you should just stick to your strengths and go back to calling me dumb.

[time4fun]

Okay time to deliver the knockout blow to the 6 year old with a limp and his 8 year old special needs friend.

Here is how a plea deal works:

The government agrees not to prosecute certain crimes in exchange for something, usually a guilty plea but also cooperation in other crimes such as being a witness.
The accused can back out of the agreement at anytime and the only thing the government can do about it is to go ahead and charge them with the crimes they agreed not to charge them with.

So let's break this down for the slow ones of the audience:

Government won't prosecute Manafort for certain crimes as long as he keeps his end of the bargain.
Trump pardons Manafort.
Government threatens to....do absolutely nothing because the only leverage they had was they would prosecute Manafort if he didn't keep his end of the bargain and they now can't prosecute for those crimes.

At this point Manafort is under NO obligation to cooperate with Mueller. Sure he can out of his own free will, but not because of any threats against him via prosecution. Thus this is not a "pardon proof plea deal."

You two just got done served, and you both were wanting to sound so smart when you thought you were right but can now only manage to suck each other's dicks about how stupid you think I am.

Whatever helps you two fucktards sleep better at night.

Um. So you know Manafort wouldn't have been given this plea deal without incredibly valuable information. And you know that this is almost assuredly about Trump.

And they means Manafort is likely sitting on information of serious criminal wrongdoing- likely involving selling out our election to our greatest geopolitical enemy.

And you're hoping that information *doesnt* come to light?

Seriously?

[cwolff]

Um. So you know Manafort wouldn't have been given this plea deal without incredibly valuable information. And you know that this is almost assuredly about Trump.

And they means Manafort is likely sitting on information of serious criminal wrongdoing- likely involving selling out our election to our greatest geopolitical enemy.

And you're hoping that information *doesnt* come to light?

Seriously?

Got to own the libs amirite! Fuck Uncle Sam if it means shedding libtard tears.

[Androidpk]

Burn down the country to own the libs!

[Androidpk]

When Trump saw that Manafort was cooperating I'm sure a pardon was the last thing on his mind. We all know how Trump reacts to those who "betray" him.

[time4fun]

When Trump saw that Manafort was cooperating I'm sure a pardon was the last thing on his mind. We all know how Trump reacts to those who "betray" him.

Eh his primary motivation is self-interest. His forgiveness will stretch in whatever direction it needs to in other to keep him afloat.

I AM concerned about what he'll do next though. If he feels like the GOP is going to lose the House no matter what, he may decide to just fire Mueller now.

[Tgo01]

Um. So you know Manafort wouldn't have been given this plea deal without incredibly valuable information. And you know that this is almost assuredly about Trump.

And they means Manafort is likely sitting on information of serious criminal wrongdoing- likely involving selling out our election to our greatest geopolitical enemy.

And you're hoping that information *doesnt* come to light?

Seriously?

Where did I make a comment either way as to whether or not I want any information to come out? Talk about a pathetic deflection attempt. I also like how you’re just assuming the information Manafort gave is going to implicate Trump or prove selling out our election to Russia. You must get your “news” from the same sort of sites peam does.

[time4fun]

Where did I make a comment either way as to whether or not I want any information to come out? Talk about a pathetic deflection attempt. I also like how you’re just assuming the information Manafort gave is going to implicate Trump or prove selling out our election to Russia. You must get your “news” from the same sort of sites peam does.

It's weird that you seem to be able to write things but, apparently, neither read nor understand them.

[Tgo01]

It's weird that you seem to be able to write things but, apparently, neither read nor understand them.

Just show me where I said I didn’t want the information to come out. Prove you can read better than me.

[Wrathbringer]

Um. So you know Manafort wouldn't have been given this plea deal without incredibly valuable information. And you know that this is almost assuredly about Trump.

And they means Manafort is likely sitting on information of serious criminal wrongdoing- likely involving selling out our election to our greatest geopolitical enemy.

And you're hoping that information *doesnt* come to light?

Seriously?

:lol: You're retarded.

[Candor]

Good ole Wrathbringer. You can count on him for a variation of about three words.

You'd flip quicker than Henry Hill. If someone knocked on your door, you'd be like, "PK did it! This is his email, real name and address" then the Fed-ex guy would be like, "Uhh here are your Pokeman cards, sir."

Put Wrathbringer on ignore. You won't miss him...at all.

[Wrathbringer]

Good ole Wrathbringer. You can count on him for a variation of about three words.

You'd flip quicker than Henry Hill. If someone knocked on your door, you'd be like, "PK did it! This is his email, real name and address" then the Fed-ex guy would be like, "Uhh here are your Pokeman cards, sir."

Ah, I can see by your red rep that the jury of your peers in the gemstone community has determined you to be retarded.

[time4fun]

Put Wrathbringer on ignore. You won't miss him...at all.

I do honestly wonder if he has a genuine condition sometimes.

[Wrathbringer]

I do honestly wonder if he has a genuine condition sometimes.

Ah, I can see by your red rep that the jury of your peers in the gemstone community has determined you to be retarded.

[Fortybox]

I do honestly wonder if he has a genuine condition sometimes.

Says the person most likely to have narcissistic personality disorder.

[Androidpk]

Who is going to flip first, Don Jr or Kushner? My money is on the latter.

[Wrathbringer]

I'm on this interesting red/green rep border with this account. I could just go back to my main if we had a mod who would reset my password, but that doesn't seem to be happening and be an untouchable green.

Let me make sure I negative rep you because how in the world are you green. Ah yes, you all keep 3-5 accounts to positive rep yourselves. A lot must go into maintaining your PC presence.

If you missed it in the other post, you're a bitch, bitch.

Yep, you're retarded alright.

[Methais]

I'm on this interesting red/green rep border with this account. I could just go back to my main if we had a mod who would reset my password, but that doesn't seem to be happening and be an untouchable green.

Let me make sure I negative rep you because how in the world are you green. Ah yes, you all keep 3-5 accounts to positive rep yourselves. A lot must go into maintaining your PC presence.

If you missed it in the other post, you're a bitch, bitch.

Why not just message Kranar about your password?

[Fortybox]

You have an amalgam of her/his avatar with Trump's face imposed. When you are finished looking up amalgram you should revisit narcissism's origins. Eh. When you consider your handle is legit fortybox you are a bot anyways.

Brah...you on drugs or something?

[Fortybox]

He doesn't answer in the 3 attempts I made. It hardly matters really.

Maybe you should ask nicely? During the Great 2017 PC hack he restored my account.

Going by how acerbic your posts are it's no surprise no action was taken.

[Fortybox]

Zero connection to actual post in your response so let's continue this in saying the Packers are garbage and they won't win today. [Stamp of Approval]

The packers are garbage. Doesn't matter if they win or not.

[time4fun]

Who is going to flip first, Don Jr or Kushner? My money is on the latter.

If Mueller has to choose, I'm guessing he'll try to flip Kushner first.

But- assuming he has something on both of them- I wouldn't be surprised to see his team roll out everything about the Trumps at once. If he goes for one of them first- it makes it much more likely Trump will react and fire Mueller.

[cwolff]

If Mueller has to choose, I'm guessing he'll try to flip Kushner first.

But- assuming he has something on both of them- I wouldn't be surprised to see his team roll out everything about the Trumps at once. If he goes for one of them first- it makes it much more likely Trump will react and fire Mueller.

I'd say that his very last move will be on the trump family. Once he pulls that trigger all hell's going to break loose, his investigation will be shut down and this thing will move into a hellacious partisan congressional battle. I also don't think Kushner or Trump Jr. will ultimately get touched by any of this. Not because they don't necessarily deserve it, but because it'd be too brutal. They'll deal or pardon or somehow avoid them getting destroyed through the justice system.

BTW: Wasn't Guiliani going to destroy Mueller this month? Unload like a ton of bricks? Did I miss the unloading?

[Fortybox]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KfjNnGnTslM

I'm not bitter. It's more that you guys don't say anything that is relevant so if folks play your troll game it might make you realize this is a waste of time for all of us, cause, you know, it is. It's funny when people try to explain anything and you can sum up responses with a Wrathbringer quote just about everytime.

This video is in honor of 40B.

That's racist.

[Geijon]

#cocaine

[Methais]

https://i.imgur.com/qeKQnFF.jpg

[time4fun]

I'd say that his very last move will be on the trump family. Once he pulls that trigger all hell's going to break loose, his investigation will be shut down and this thing will move into a hellacious partisan congressional battle. I also don't think Kushner or Trump Jr. will ultimately get touched by any of this. Not because they don't necessarily deserve it, but because it'd be too brutal. They'll deal or pardon or somehow avoid them getting destroyed through the justice system.

BTW: Wasn't Guiliani going to destroy Mueller this month? Unload like a ton of bricks? Did I miss the unloading?

Well the entire investigation ended on Sept 1st. Giuliani said so multiple times. ;)

As far as them not getting touched by this- I definitely see your point, but I'm not entirely sure I think the same thing.

Putting aside the Trump Foundation issues as well as the potential Trump Org issues, the obvious thing they're both on the hook for is the Trump Tower meeting. Just accepting that meeting was a violation of Federal law, and there's already enough public evidence at this point to demonstrate that Trump Jr, at least, broke the law willingly and intentionally. He set the meeting up with full knowledge of what it was and proceeded to try to cover it up afterwards.

Between that Trump Tower meeting email and Manafort's cooperation, they likely don't need Trump Jr or Kushner to prosecute that meeting (if they so choose). It's also unthinkable that Manafort doesn't have the knowledge/evidence that Trump was fully aware of what was going on.

And it seems like Mueller has enough witnesses for the misleading press release Trump dictated about the whole event after the fact, if they want to use that for obstruction. He likely doesn't need Trump Jr or Kushner.

I actually can see Kushner flipping and potentially providing some really important evidence, but between Manafort, Cohen, and Flynn- I suspect they probably have most of what they need to build a case for collusion (if, in fact, there's evidence enough to warrant it).

I don't necessarily think Trump Jr is going to flip on his father, and I actually don't know if Mueller is going to be interested in giving any of the Trump family a pass unless they've got stuff that Mueller's team couldn't get any other way. And, again, I'm not sure how much more would be there that A) Manafort, Cohen, and Flynn weren't already aware of and B) that was necessary for the case (assuming there is one).

If they broke the law and coordinated with Russia for this election, part of what Mueller's team has to factor in here is the interests of justice. Giving the Trump family a pass if they were integral to this may not be viewed well.

Put shortly- they were willing to see Manafort get 10 years in prison. (minimum) I have a hard time thinking someone like Trump Jr is going to get off easier than that if there is evidence he committed serious crimes.

[Androidpk]

Junior and Kushner are definitely not going to get a pass from Mueller. Junior is too stupid but I think Ivanka will push her husband to cooperate, if he's not doing so already.

[Fortybox]

Junior and Kushner are definitely not going to get a pass from Mueller. Junior is too stupid but I think Ivanka will push her husband to cooperate, if he's not doing so already.

http://www.eenteresting.com/wp-content/uploads/cache/remote/files-eenteresting-com/1407960316.jpg

[Androidpk]

I also agree with empty wheel that Mueller is going to issue his report via speaking indictments.