Comey Testimony

[ClydeR]

Trump will reportedly live Tweet during Comey's testimony. People seem to think it's a big deal.


“I was just talking to some White House officials this morning and their view is that the president himself wants to be the messenger, his own warrior, his own lawyer, his own spokesman,” Costa said during an appearance on MSNBC.

“The president is expected to be tweeting on Thursday in response to Comey, not to stay quiet during the testimony, because he himself wants to be the one driving the process," Costa said.

More... (http://thehill.com/blogs/blog-briefing-room/news-other-administration/336538-trump-might-live-tweet-comey-hearing)

Comey testifies Thursday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. You shouldn't have any trouble finding it online or on the teevee.

[time4fun]

Trump will reportedly live Tweet during Comey's testimony. People seem to think it's a big deal.



Comey testifies Thursday at 10:00 a.m. eastern. You shouldn't have any trouble finding it online or on the teevee.

More fodder for the "Trump's Self Inflicted Wound of the Day" thread.

Normally it's really difficult to make a case about someone's intention or thought process around their actions. Trump literally puts his thoughts on record. It'll be interesting to see the fabulous new holes he'll dig himself into this time.

[hello]

This is going to be the most highly rated televised event since forever and a running commentary by POTUS to boot just makes me believe that we're in some cruel practical joke and someone somewhere is going to pop out and say, "Surprise! You're on TV!"

[Gelston]

It is competing with honey boo boo. Honey boo boo will win.

[time4fun]

It is competing with honey boo boo. Honey boo boo will win.

Keep telling yourself that. CBS is cancelling it's daytime lineup- same with ABC and NBC. Fox is covering it, as is MSNBC.

Presumably CNN too.

Thursday will be a bad day for Trump.

[Back]

I dunno about Comey. He's cagey.

[Parkbandit]

Thursday will be a bad day for Trump.

Quoted for posterity.

So, exactly what do you think is going to come out on Thursday? That Trump obstructed justice? Isn't that what you crazy alt-lefties are hoping for?

[Androidpk]

I dunno about Comey. He's cagey.

Comey is an American hero

[Candor]

Keep telling yourself that. CBS is cancelling it's daytime lineup- same with ABC and NBC.

I bet the advertising rates for this Thursday have gone through the roof.

It should be an interesting day.

[time4fun]

I bet the advertising rates for this Thursday have gone through the roof.

It should be an interesting day.

They don't advertise during these. It's why it's such a big deal that they're doing it. They're literally forgoing revenue to show this to the American people.

[tyrant-201]

Quoted for posterity.

So, exactly what do you think is going to come out on Thursday? That Trump obstructed justice? Isn't that what you crazy alt-lefties are hoping for?

Not a chance! Trump is going to be in office for another 20 years!

Wipe those tears snowflakes!

[Candor]

Not a chance! Trump is going to be in office for another 20 years!

If you're going to be a troll, at least try to be a good one.

[Candor]

Trump will reportedly live Tweet during Comey's testimony.

I predict Trump's tweets will get more airtime afterwards than whatever Comey says.

[tyrant-201]

I predict Trump's tweets will get more airtime afterwards than whatever Comey says.

Bold prediction.

He is the President, isn't he?

[Parkbandit]

If you're going to be a troll, at least try to be a good one.

Why would he start being good at anything now?

[tyrant-201]

Why would he start being good at anything now?

QQ

[ClydeR]

Comey's written statement has appeared on the Senate Intelligence Committee website. It looks to me like something he wrote himself without much editorial help. Not much new.

https://www.intelligence.senate.gov/sites/default/files/documents/os-jcomey-060817.pdf


Or if you want to read it in the forum, without much formatting, here it is..


Statement for the Record
Senate Select Committee on Intelligence

James B. Comey

June 8, 2017

Chairman Burr, Ranking Member Warner, Members of the Committee.
Thank you for inviting me to appear before you today. I was asked to testify today to describe for you my interactions with President-Elect and President Trump on subjects that I understand are of interest to you. I have not included every detail from my conversations with the President, but, to the best of my recollection, I have tried to include information that may be relevant to the Committee.


January 6 Briefing

I first met then-President-Elect Trump on Friday, January 6 in a conference room at Trump Tower in New York. I was there with other Intelligence Community (IC) leaders to brief him and his new national security team on the findings of an IC assessment concerning Russian efforts to interfere in the election. At the conclusion of that briefing, I remained alone with the PresidentElect to brief him on some personally sensitive aspects of the information assembled during the assessment.

The IC leadership thought it important, for a variety of reasons, to alert the incoming President to the existence of this material, even though it was salacious and unverified. Among those reasons were: (1) we knew the media was about to publicly report the material and we believed the IC should not keep knowledge of the material and its imminent release from the President-Elect; and (2) to the extent there was some effort to compromise an incoming President, we could blunt any such effort with a defensive briefing.

The Director of National Intelligence asked that I personally do this portion of the briefing because I was staying in my position and because the material implicated the FBI’s counter-intelligence responsibilities. We also agreed I would do it alone to minimize potential embarrassment to the President-Elect. Although we agreed it made sense for me to do the briefing, the FBI’s leadership and I were concerned that the briefing might create a situation where a new President came into office uncertain about whether the FBI was conducting a counter-intelligence investigation of his personal conduct.

It is important to understand that FBI counter-intelligence investigations are different than the more-commonly known criminal investigative work. The Bureau’s goal in a counter-intelligence investigation is to understand the technical and human methods that hostile foreign powers are using to influence the United States or to steal our secrets. The FBI uses that understanding to disrupt those efforts. Sometimes disruption takes the form of alerting a person who is targeted for recruitment or influence by the foreign power. Sometimes it involves hardening a computer system that is being attacked. Sometimes it involves “turning” the recruited person into a double-agent, or publicly calling out the behavior with sanctions or expulsions of embassy-based intelligence officers. On occasion, criminal prosecution is used to disrupt intelligence activities.

Because the nature of the hostile foreign nation is well known, counterintelligence investigations tend to be centered on individuals the FBI suspects to be witting or unwitting agents of that foreign power. When the FBI develops reason to believe an American has been targeted for recruitment by a foreign power or is covertly acting as an agent of the foreign power, the FBI will “open an investigation” on that American and use legal authorities to try to learn more about the nature of any relationship with the foreign power so it can be disrupted.

In that context, prior to the January 6 meeting, I discussed with the FBI’s leadership team whether I should be prepared to assure President-Elect Trump that we were not investigating him personally. That was true; we did not have an open counter-intelligence case on him. We agreed I should do so if circumstances warranted. During our one-on-one meeting at Trump Tower, based on PresidentElect Trump’s reaction to the briefing and without him directly asking the question, I offered that assurance.

I felt compelled to document my first conversation with the President-Elect in a memo. To ensure accuracy, I began to type it on a laptop in an FBI vehicle outside Trump Tower the moment I walked out of the meeting. Creating written records immediately after one-on-one conversations with Mr. Trump was my practice from that point forward. This had not been my practice in the past. I spoke alone with President Obama twice in person (and never on the phone) – once in 2015 to discuss law enforcement policy issues and a second time, briefly, for him to say goodbye in late 2016. In neither of those circumstances did I memorialize the discussions. I can recall nine one-on-one conversations with President Trump in four months – three in person and six on the phone.


January 27 Dinner

The President and I had dinner on Friday, January 27 at 6:30 pm in the Green Room at the White House. He had called me at lunchtime that day and invited me to dinner that night, saying he was going to invite my whole family, but decided to have just me this time, with the whole family coming the next time. It was unclear from the conversation who else would be at the dinner, although I assumed there would be others.

It turned out to be just the two of us, seated at a small oval table in the center of the Green Room. Two Navy stewards waited on us, only entering the room to serve food and drinks.

The President began by asking me whether I wanted to stay on as FBI Director, which I found strange because he had already told me twice in earlier conversations that he hoped I would stay, and I had assured him that I intended to. He said that lots of people wanted my job and, given the abuse I had taken during the previous year, he would understand if I wanted to walk away.

My instincts told me that the one-on-one setting, and the pretense that this was our first discussion about my position, meant the dinner was, at least in part, an effort to have me ask for my job and create some sort of patronage relationship. That concerned me greatly, given the FBI’s traditionally independent status in the executive branch.

I replied that I loved my work and intended to stay and serve out my tenyear term as Director. And then, because the set-up made me uneasy, I added that I was not “reliable” in the way politicians use that word, but he could always count on me to tell him the truth. I added that I was not on anybody’s side politically and could not be counted on in the traditional political sense, a stance I said was in his best interest as the President.

A few moments later, the President said, “I need loyalty, I expect loyalty.” I didn’t move, speak, or change my facial expression in any way during the awkward silence that followed. We simply looked at each other in silence. The conversation then moved on, but he returned to the subject near the end of our dinner.

At one point, I explained why it was so important that the FBI and the Department of Justice be independent of the White House. I said it was a paradox: Throughout history, some Presidents have decided that because “problems” come from Justice, they should try to hold the Department close. But blurring those boundaries ultimately makes the problems worse by undermining public trust in the institutions and their work.

Near the end of our dinner, the President returned to the subject of my job, saying he was very glad I wanted to stay, adding that he had heard great things about me from Jim Mattis, Jeff Sessions, and many others. He then said, “I need loyalty.” I replied, “You will always get honesty from me.” He paused and then said, “That’s what I want, honest loyalty.” I paused, and then said, “You will get that from me.” As I wrote in the memo I created immediately after the dinner, it is possible we understood the phrase “honest loyalty” differently, but I decided it wouldn’t be productive to push it further. The term – honest loyalty – had helped end a very awkward conversation and my explanations had made clear what he should expect.

During the dinner, the President returned to the salacious material I had briefed him about on January 6, and, as he had done previously, expressed his disgust for the allegations and strongly denied them. He said he was considering ordering me to investigate the alleged incident to prove it didn’t happen. I replied that he should give that careful thought because it might create a narrative that we were investigating him personally, which we weren’t, and because it was very difficult to prove a negative. He said he would think about it and asked me to think about it.

As was my practice for conversations with President Trump, I wrote a detailed memo about the dinner immediately afterwards and shared it with the senior leadership team of the FBI.


February 14 Oval Office Meeting

On February 14, I went to the Oval Office for a scheduled counterterrorism briefing of the President. He sat behind the desk and a group of us sat in a semi-circle of about six chairs facing him on the other side of the desk. The Vice President, Deputy Director of the CIA, Director of the National CounterTerrorism Center, Secretary of Homeland Security, the Attorney General, and I were in the semi-circle of chairs. I was directly facing the President, sitting between the Deputy CIA Director and the Director of NCTC. There were quite a few others in the room, sitting behind us on couches and chairs.

The President signaled the end of the briefing by thanking the group and telling them all that he wanted to speak to me alone. I stayed in my chair. As the participants started to leave the Oval Office, the Attorney General lingered by my chair, but the President thanked him and said he wanted to speak only with me. The last person to leave was Jared Kushner, who also stood by my chair and exchanged pleasantries with me. The President then excused him, saying he wanted to speak with me.

When the door by the grandfather clock closed, and we were alone, the
President began by saying, “I want to talk about Mike Flynn.” Flynn had resigned the previous day. The President began by saying Flynn hadn’t done anything wrong in speaking with the Russians, but he had to let him go because he had misled the Vice President. He added that he had other concerns about Flynn, which he did not then specify.

The President then made a long series of comments about the problem with leaks of classified information – a concern I shared and still share. After he had spoken for a few minutes about leaks, Reince Priebus leaned in through the door by the grandfather clock and I could see a group of people waiting behind him.
The President waved at him to close the door, saying he would be done shortly. The door closed.

The President then returned to the topic of Mike Flynn, saying, “He is a good guy and has been through a lot.” He repeated that Flynn hadn’t done anything wrong on his calls with the Russians, but had misled the Vice President. He then said, “I hope you can see your way clear to letting this go, to letting Flynn go. He is a good guy. I hope you can let this go.” I replied only that “he is a good guy.” (In fact, I had a positive experience dealing with Mike Flynn when he was a colleague as Director of the Defense Intelligence Agency at the beginning of my term at FBI.) I did not say I would “let this go.”

The President returned briefly to the problem of leaks. I then got up and left out the door by the grandfather clock, making my way through the large group of people waiting there, including Mr. Priebus and the Vice President.

I immediately prepared an unclassified memo of the conversation about
Flynn and discussed the matter with FBI senior leadership. I had understood the President to be requesting that we drop any investigation of Flynn in connection with false statements about his conversations with the Russian ambassador in December. I did not understand the President to be talking about the broader investigation into Russia or possible links to his campaign. I could be wrong, but I took him to be focusing on what had just happened with Flynn’s departure and the controversy around his account of his phone calls. Regardless, it was very concerning, given the FBI’s role as an independent investigative agency.

The FBI leadership team agreed with me that it was important not to infect the investigative team with the President’s request, which we did not intend to abide. We also concluded that, given that it was a one-on-one conversation, there was nothing available to corroborate my account. We concluded it made little sense to report it to Attorney General Sessions, who we expected would likely recuse himself from involvement in Russia-related investigations. (He did so two weeks later.) The Deputy Attorney General’s role was then filled in an acting capacity by a United States Attorney, who would also not be long in the role.
After discussing the matter, we decided to keep it very closely held, resolving to figure out what to do with it down the road as our investigation progressed. The investigation moved ahead at full speed, with none of the investigative team members – or the Department of Justice lawyers supporting them – aware of the President’s request.

Shortly afterwards, I spoke with Attorney General Sessions in person to pass along the President’s concerns about leaks. I took the opportunity to implore the Attorney General to prevent any future direct communication between the President and me. I told the AG that what had just happened – him being asked to leave while the FBI Director, who reports to the AG, remained behind – was inappropriate and should never happen. He did not reply. For the reasons discussed above, I did not mention that the President broached the FBI’s potential investigation of General Flynn.


March 30 Phone Call

On the morning of March 30, the President called me at the FBI. He described the Russia investigation as “a cloud” that was impairing his ability to act on behalf of the country. He said he had nothing to do with Russia, had not been involved with hookers in Russia, and had always assumed he was being recorded when in Russia. He asked what we could do to “lift the cloud.” I responded that we were investigating the matter as quickly as we could, and that there would be great benefit, if we didn’t find anything, to our having done the work well. He agreed, but then re-emphasized the problems this was causing him.

Then the President asked why there had been a congressional hearing about Russia the previous week – at which I had, as the Department of Justice directed, confirmed the investigation into possible coordination between Russia and the Trump campaign. I explained the demands from the leadership of both parties in Congress for more information, and that Senator Grassley had even held up the confirmation of the Deputy Attorney General until we briefed him in detail on the investigation. I explained that we had briefed the leadership of Congress on exactly which individuals we were investigating and that we had told those Congressional leaders that we were not personally investigating President Trump. I reminded him I had previously told him that. He repeatedly told me, “We need to get that fact out.” (I did not tell the President that the FBI and the Department of Justice had been reluctant to make public statements that we did not have an open case on President Trump for a number of reasons, most importantly because it would create a duty to correct, should that change.)

The President went on to say that if there were some “satellite” associates of his who did something wrong, it would be good to find that out, but that he hadn’t done anything wrong and hoped I would find a way to get it out that we weren’t investigating him.

In an abrupt shift, he turned the conversation to FBI Deputy Director Andrew McCabe, saying he hadn’t brought up “the McCabe thing” because I had said McCabe was honorable, although McAuliffe was close to the Clintons and had given him (I think he meant Deputy Director McCabe’s wife) campaign money. Although I didn’t understand why the President was bringing this up, I repeated that Mr. McCabe was an honorable person.

He finished by stressing “the cloud” that was interfering with his ability to make deals for the country and said he hoped I could find a way to get out that he wasn’t being investigated. I told him I would see what we could do, and that we would do our investigative work well and as quickly as we could.

Immediately after that conversation, I called Acting Deputy Attorney General Dana Boente (AG Sessions had by then recused himself on all Russiarelated matters), to report the substance of the call from the President, and said I would await his guidance. I did not hear back from him before the President called me again two weeks later.


April 11 Phone Call

On the morning of April 11, the President called me and asked what I had done about his request that I “get out” that he is not personally under investigation. I replied that I had passed his request to the Acting Deputy Attorney General, but I had not heard back. He replied that “the cloud” was getting in the way of his ability to do his job. He said that perhaps he would have his people reach out to the Acting Deputy Attorney General. I said that was the way his request should be handled. I said the White House Counsel should contact the leadership of DOJ to make the request, which was the traditional channel.

He said he would do that and added, “Because I have been very loyal to you, very loyal; we had that thing you know.” I did not reply or ask him what he meant by “that thing.” I said only that the way to handle it was to have the White House Counsel call the Acting Deputy Attorney General. He said that was what he would do and the call ended.

That was the last time I spoke with President Trump.


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[~Rocktar~]

I predict Trump's tweets will get more airtime afterwards than whatever Comey says.

Quoted for truth.

[Fortybox]

What an earth shattering testimony. So much we didn't already know.

[drauz]

Well it confirms that Comey did tell Trump he wasn't under investigation personally.

Doesn't look like the smoking gun Democrats will want it to be.

[time4fun]

Well it confirms that Comey did tell Trump he wasn't under investigation personally.

Doesn't look like the smoking gun Democrats will want it to be.

Erm. Did you read the whole thing?

[Androidpk]

Erm. Did you read the whole thing?

Did you? It's a giant nothingburger.

[Tgo01]

Erm. Did you read the whole thing?

"I am so very smart! I'm not going to bother pointing out why you're wrong or quoting from the article in question to back up my sarcastic bullshit! I'm just going to imply you're too stupid to read or understand what you read!"

[drauz]

Erm. Did you read the whole thing?

Yes.

[time4fun]

Yes.

Sorry, what exactly do you expect a smoking gun looks like? Comey on the ground while Trump looms over him with a knife screaming, "DO THIS OR I WILL DESTROY YOUR FAMILY!"?

Requiring a loyalty pledge, explicitly telling him to back off of an investigation into one of his top campaign advisers (you know- the guy who says he has a story to tell for immunity?), and berating him repeatedly to "lift the cloud of the investigation" from him...and then firing him shortly afterwards when Comey refused all of these things....that's actually worse than Nixon. Comey had 2 meetings ever with Obama over the span of years, and there were 9 interactions with Trump in the span of a few months- all of which made Comey incredibly uncomfortable. And Comey wasn't mincing words- it was clear to him that Trump was demanding loyalty in order to keep his job.

And I'll also point out that Trump flat out lied- repeatedly- about the loyalty pledge conversation.

Your standards have hit rock bottom if the fact that one thing Trump said DIDN'T turn out to be a lie is enough to give him a pass.

[Androidpk]

Sorry, what exactly do you expect a smoking gun looks like? Comey on the ground while Trump looms over him with a knife screaming, "DO THIS OR I WILL DESTROY YOUR FAMILY!"?

Requiring a loyalty pledge, explicitly telling him to back off of an investigation into one of his top campaign advisers (you know- the guy who says he has a story to tell for immunity?), and berating him repeatedly to "lift the cloud of the investigation" from him...and then firing him shortly afterwards when Comey refused all of these things....that's actually worse than Nixon. Comey had 2 meetings ever with Obama over the span of years, and there were 9 interactions with Trump in the span of a few months- all of which made Comey incredibly uncomfortable. And Comey wasn't mincing words- it was clear to him that Trump was demanding loyalty in order to keep his job.

And I'll also point out that Trump flat out lied- repeatedly- about the loyalty pledge conversation.

Your standards have hit rock bottom if the fact that one thing Trump said DIDN'T turn out to be a lie is enough to give him a pass.

Yep, that's why everyone involved is saying there is no smoking gun. Grow the fuck up.

[drauz]

Sorry, what exactly do you expect a smoking gun looks like? Comey on the ground while Trump looms over him with a knife screaming, "DO THIS OR I WILL DESTROY YOUR FAMILY!"?

Requiring a loyalty pledge, explicitly telling him to back off of an investigation into one of his top campaign advisers (you know- the guy who says he has a story to tell for immunity?), and berating him repeatedly to "lift the cloud of the investigation" from him...and then firing him shortly afterwards when Comey refused all of these things....that's actually worse than Nixon. Comey had 2 meetings ever with Obama over the span of years, and there were 9 interactions with Trump in the span of a few months- all of which made Comey incredibly uncomfortable. And Comey wasn't mincing words- it was clear to him that Trump was demanding loyalty in order to keep his job.

And I'll also point out that Trump flat out lied- repeatedly- about the loyalty pledge conversation.

Your standards have hit rock bottom if the fact that one thing Trump said DIDN'T turn out to be a lie is enough to give him a pass.

This is the cloud he wanted lifted:


I explained that we had briefed the leadership of Congress on exactly which individuals we were investigating and that we had told those Congressional leaders that we were not personally investigating President Trump


On the morning of April 11, the President called me and asked what I had done about his request that I "get out" that he is not personally under investigation.

Loyalty crystal clear:


it is possible we understood the phrase "honest loyalty" differently, but I decided it wouldn't be productive to push it further.

Perhaps you could quote the parts you think are the smoking gun because I'm not finding them. Quote the context as well.

[Back]

Your standards have hit rock bottom if the fact that one thing Trump said DIDN'T turn out to be a lie is enough to give him a pass.

That ship sailed long ago.

[drauz]

That ship sailed long ago.

Yeah, cause politicians lying is something new.

https://i.giphy.com/dEdmW17JnZhiU.gif

[Back]

Yeah, cause politicians lying is something new.

Some lie less than others.

[drauz]

Some lie less than others.

http://i.imgur.com/7RGOq5C.gif

[hello]

Word is Comey is going to produce a video tape with Trump speaking directly with Lenin and Stalin.

[Back]

Yep, that's why everyone involved is saying there is no smoking gun. Grow the fuck up.

So.. you don't think, after everything we've seen, the Trump team has been colluding with the Russians?

[Parkbandit]

So.. you don't think, after everything we've seen, the Trump team has been colluding with the Russians?

No.

[Androidpk]

So.. you don't think, after everything we've seen, the Trump team has been colluding with the Russians?

No, I don't think team Trump conspired with Russia to win the election.

[Back]

Maybe collusion is too big a word. How about communicating?

[Parkbandit]

No, I don't think team Trump conspired with Russia to win the election.

Wait, really? How else would you explain the defeat of Hillary Clinton!?!?!??!?!?!?!?!?!

[Parkbandit]

Maybe collusion is too big a word. How about communicating?

"the" is too big a word for you.

[hello]

BUT, Team Trump needs to STOP with these backdoor 'make a few bucks' shenanigans that's been making his entire administration look very shady. His son-in-law making a back channel with Russia, his Flynn Russian pay-off shadiness, his bumbling of Top Secret info to Russian spies... seriously if this was just some small town case the prosecutor would've already decided that there was just too much circumstantial evidence and moved to a trial.

[Androidpk]

Maybe collusion is too big a word. How about communicating?

I think it's more likely Russia made attempts to meddle in the election and then certain people tried to make it look like there was collusion, which if true means some of you liberals are some of the greatest useful idiots of all time.

[Back]

I think it's more likely Russia made attempts to meddle in the election and then certain people tried to make it look like there was collusion, which if true means some of you liberals are some of the greatest useful idiots of all time.

Ok, help me out here. Honestly. Because I'm viewing you, or specifically people who at this point are denying that there has been obvious communication with the Russians pre-election, as you say some of the greatest useful idiots of all time.

I have a horrible feeling that the joke is on all of us.

[hello]

I think it's more likely Russia made attempts to meddle in the election and then certain people tried to make it look like there was collusion, which if true means some of you liberals are some of the greatest useful idiots of all time.

Then what's with kushner trying to make 'backdoor channels' with the Russians what POSSIBLE reason would anyone have a need to do this? Then there's Flynn getting PAID by the Russians, seriously, a fucking 4 star US General getting paid by the Ruskies. If this were 30 years ago, he would've been shot for treason.

[Parkbandit]

Ok, help me out here. Honestly. Because I'm viewing you, or specifically people who at this point are denying that there has been obvious communication with the Russians pre-election, as you say some of the greatest useful idiots of all time.

I have a horrible feeling that the joke is on all of us.

Russia Collusion timeline:

1. Hillary lost the election
2. DNC needed an excuse
3. "B-but Russia" was born
4. Useful idiots led to believe that the Trump Administration colluded with Russians to win election
5. Real joke on you

[Androidpk]

Ok, help me out here. Honestly. Because I'm viewing you, or specifically people who at this point are denying that there has been obvious communication with the Russians pre-election, as you say some of the greatest useful idiots of all time.

I have a horrible feeling that the joke is on all of us.

Why did Robby Mook and John Podesta conspire the night the election was lost to pin said loss on Trump colluding with Russia? To save face for what is probably going to be one of the biggest election upset in history. Put the blame on anyone and anything besides Hillary. She needs to go back into the woods and her die hard fanboys and girls need to go in the woods with her.

[Parkbandit]

Then what's with kushner trying to make 'backdoor channels' with the Russians what POSSIBLE reason would anyone have a need to do this?

Ask President Obama why he did.


Then there's Flynn getting PAID by the Russians, seriously, a fucking 4 star US General getting paid by the Ruskies. If this were 30 years ago, he would've been shot for treason.

Flynn was retired and has a business with his son that sells intelligence services to big companies and governments. If this were 30 years ago, it's still not treason.

[Back]

Russia Collusion timeline:

1. Hillary lost the election
2. DNC needed an excuse
3. "B-but Russia" was born
4. Useful idiots led to believe that the Trump Administration colluded with Russians to win election
5. Real joke on you

The more vehement your denials the stronger the case. If it was a non-issue we wouldn't be here.

[Back]

Why did Robby Mook and John Podesta conspire the night the election was lost to pin said loss on Trump colluding with Russia? To save face for what is probably going to be one of the biggest election upset in history. Put the blame on anyone and anything besides Hillary. She needs to go back into the woods and her die hard fanboys and girls need to go in the woods with her.

You're like a broken record. But Hillary! Trump won. Get over it.

[Parkbandit]

The more vehement your denials the stronger the case. If it was a non-issue we wouldn't be here.

The more vehement your accusations, the stronger the case you're just a useful idiot. If this was a real issue, we wouldn't be here.

[Parkbandit]

You're like a broken record. But Hillary! Trump won. Get over it.

You really are a useful idiot.

Big league.

[Back]

The more vehement your accusations, the stronger the case you're just a useful idiot. If this was a real issue, we wouldn't be here.

Ok, chat bot.

[drauz]

Ok, help me out here. Honestly. Because I'm viewing you, or specifically people who at this point are denying that there has been obvious communication with the Russians pre-election, as you say some of the greatest useful idiots of all time.

I have a horrible feeling that the joke is on all of us.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wakec06NlA

Full interview is over an hour, but this is a highlight. Full thing is worth a watch.

[Androidpk]

You're like a broken record. But Hillary! Trump won. Get over it.

:jerkit:

[hello]

Ask President Obama why he did.



Flynn was retired and has a business with his son that sells intelligence services to big companies and governments. If this were 30 years ago, it's still not treason.

hm, well after reading more about this stuff, I can see your point. But, Trump seriously needs to do a better job in controlling the optics. I know for the most part he's clean but seriously... some of this shit looks shady as hell for the casual observer (which is most of the US voting populace).

[Back]

You really are a useful idiot.

Big league.

It's pretty obvious to everyone at this point that Putin agreed to wage cyber warfare against American social media in Trump's favor and in return Trump would lift the sanctions on Russia. It was purely a business deal. Fame, fortune, power. These are the games world leaders play. Kinda childish when you think about it.

[Parkbandit]

hm, well after reading more about this stuff, I can see your point. But, Trump seriously needs to do a better job in controlling the optics.

He was elected mostly because he doesn't give a shit about optics.


I know for the most part he's clean but seriously... some of this shit looks shady as hell for the casual observer (which is most of the US voting populace).

I doubt very much that Trump is "clean".. he's been a leader in real estate for decades.. you don't get there by being "clean".

But I very much doubt he's colluded with Russia to rig the election for himself. That story was only created so the lefties have something to blame for their colossal loss.

[Parkbandit]

It's pretty obvious to everyone at this point that Putin agreed to wage cyber warfare against American social media in Trump's favor and in return Trump would lift the sanctions on Russia. It was purely a business deal. Fame, fortune, power. These are the games world leaders play. Kinda childish when you think about it.

It's only obvious to people who require another reason how Hillary could have lost the election other than she just blew it.

And even if it were true, how does that make it "childish"?

Grow up Peter Pan. Count Chocula.

[Back]

It's only obvious to people who require another reason how Hillary could have lost the election other than she just blew it.

And even if it were true, how does that make it "childish"?

Grow up Peter Pan. Count Chocula.

Trump won. Get over it.

I'm not using or seeing Russia as an excuse for Hillary's loss... just that Russia, and let's just start saying Putin at this point, was involved in a social media campaign to help the Trump campaign. Whether it helped or not is not the question.

Yes, Hillary and the DNC fucked this up. Obviously. It should have been an easy win. Everyone thought it would be and they really have no one to blame but themselves even if Putin's social media campaign had an effect or not.

[Androidpk]

It's pretty obvious to everyone at this point that Putin agreed to wage cyber warfare against American social media in Trump's favor and in return Trump would lift the sanctions on Russia. It was purely a business deal. Fame, fortune, power. These are the games world leaders play. Kinda childish when you think about it.

No, it isn't obvious to everyone. That's why nothing has come out of this, there is no smoking gun. There is no evidence of collusion. This is a giant nothingburger.

[audioserf]

I'm a liberal who is not exactly a Trump enthusiast. I voted, unenthusiastically, for Clinton last November. That said it blows my mind how few people on "my side" are able to come out and say HRC was a bad candidate and that she made mistakes. She blew it. Big time. Complete buffoonery. Putting aside her terrible personality (or lack of), the strategy was a mess. Everyone in the DNC began sniffing their own farts thinking they were living a new season of the West Wing. You don't start intellectually masturbating over a 'blue Texas!' and ignore key states you end up losing to Trump. And the fact that six months later she's on a media tour to blame everyone except herself underscores a)how awful a candidate she was b)how tone-deaf the Democrats are if they don't learn from the loss, ditch the entire Clinton wing of the party and try to move on and rebuild.

[jtyler]

Trump won. Get over it.

I'm not using or seeing Russia as an excuse for Hillary's loss... just that Russia, and let's just start saying Putin at this point, was involved in a social media campaign to help the Trump campaign. Whether it helped or not is not the question.

Yes, Hillary and the DNC fucked this up. Obviously. It should have been an easy win. Everyone thought it would be and they really have no one to blame but themselves even if Putin's social media campaign had an effect or not.

For the record, putin's social media campaign was nowhere near as good as Hillary's, which harassed individual users on twitter if they spoke out too loudly about being anti-hillary.

My pro-sanders coworker got harassed for the entire election cycle

[Neveragain]

It's pretty obvious to everyone at this point that Putin agreed to wage cyber warfare against American social media in Trump's favor and in return Trump would lift the sanctions on Russia. It was purely a business deal. Fame, fortune, power. These are the games world leaders play. Kinda childish when you think about it.

What's childish is Clinton/Democrats risking an open war with Russia because she/they lost an election. This will go down as the greatest temper tantrum in American history.

2018 is going to be a massacre because of all the free ammunition the Democrats have offered up. At this point it's questionable if a Democrat can even handle the position of Dog catcher, let alone a position that's anywhere near a nuclear code.

[Androidpk]

I'm a liberal who is not exactly a Trump enthusiast. I voted, unenthusiastically, for Clinton last November. That said it blows my mind how few people on "my side" are able to come out and say HRC was a bad candidate and that she made mistakes. She blew it. Big time. Complete buffoonery. Putting aside her terrible personality (or lack of), the strategy was a mess. Everyone in the DNC began sniffing their own farts thinking they were living a new season of the West Wing. You don't start intellectually masturbating over a 'blue Texas!' and ignore key states you end up losing to Trump. And the fact that six months later she's on a media tour to blame everyone except herself underscores a)how awful a candidate she was b)how tone-deaf the Democrats are if they don't learn from the loss, ditch the entire Clinton wing of the party and try to move on and rebuild.

Not all Libs/Dems are like that thankfully. Many are telling her to go the fuck away already before she damages the party even more.

http://thehill.com/homenews/campaign/336172-dems-want-hillary-clinton-to-leave-spotlight

[Back]

What's childish is Clinton/Democrats risking an open war with Russia because she/they lost an election. This will go down as the greatest temper tantrum in American history.

2018 is going to be a massacre because of all the free ammunition the Democrats have offered up. At this point it's questionable if a Democrat can even handle the position of Dog catcher, let alone a position that's anywhere near a nuclear code.

Open war with Russia?

[Neveragain]

Open war with Russia?


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mCMyHJJrdDw

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

All your voting booths are belong to us.

[time4fun]

Open war with Russia?

It's his latest right wing talking point.

Don't try to find the truth, or Russia will bomb us!

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

It's his latest right wing talking point.

Don't try to find the truth, or Russia will bomb us!

Don't you Americans have a pill for women like you?

[Parkbandit]

Don't you Americans have a pill for women like you?

LOL.

THIS is why I like Vladimir Putin.

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

Trump won. Get over it.

I'm not using or seeing Russia as an excuse for Hillary's loss... just that Russia, and let's just start saying Putin at this point, was involved in a social media campaign to help the Trump campaign. Whether it helped or not is not the question.

Yes, Hillary and the DNC fucked this up. Obviously. It should have been an easy win. Everyone thought it would be and they really have no one to blame but themselves even if Putin's social media campaign had an effect or not.

America needs more leaders like me. It was easier than I thought it would be to take up the fight against ISIS, run a country and troll youtube videos all while riding my horse shirtless.

Maybe next time the National Socialist Party chooses a candidate to run in the Russ...American elections they will run Michelle Obama, at least he has more balls than his husband.

[Methais]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0wakec06NlA

Full interview is over an hour, but this is a highlight. Full thing is worth a watch.

Good luck getting Back to educate himself on anything at all.

I wonder what it's like to live every day of one's life being as stupid as Back and time4fun.

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

Rep. "oh boy, novelty accounts"

Russian joke make American vagina sandy.

8635

[Methais]

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcQNa9UJikcFsQ1N5VU3pxl3SvVRtKK-mPC9HN8X_JoOuvfO6KcuBS-W5mZ7

[time4fun]

Don't you Americans have a pill for women like you?

For our bad days?

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

Rep. "you're bad at trolling"

I'm confused. Hillary says my trolling won American election.

[time4fun]

Republicans keep talking about Clinton. It's actually incredibly offensive. This is about Comey in context of the Flynn and Russia. The GOP could at least pretend that's what they care about.

Edit: McCain sounds senile

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

For our bad days?

Every day is a bad day when you are allowed to open your mouth.

You should know. In mother Russia all our blunt weapons are two-handers.

[Androidpk]

Republicans keep talking about Clinton. It's actually incredibly offensive. This is about Comey in context of the Flynn and Russia. The GOP could at least pretend that's what they care about.

Sort of like how Democrats talked about everything but Clinton during her hearings last year? Was that offensive too?

[Parkbandit]

Republicans keep talking about Clinton. It's actually incredibly offensive. This is about Comey in context of the Flynn and Russia. The GOP could at least pretend that's what they care about.

LOL. Sorry you are disappointed and offended.

Really.

Also, regarding this:


Thursday will be a bad day for Trump.

You really need to step away from political prognostication. Granted, you probably have a PhD and have been asked to teach university classes and give speeches on the subject.. but you are REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY bad at it.

[Parkbandit]

Vlad is red.... not sure what to do.

On one hand.. he's probably happy to be Red.

On the other hand, that would make the communist socialists here so happy...

Decisions, decisions....

[Androidpk]

Is McCain Sober? I don't think he is.

[Methais]

Thursday will be a bad day for Trump.

I haven't caught up on much of anything from today, but can someone tell me how good today was for Trump?


Republicans keep talking about Clinton. It's actually incredibly offensive. This is about Comey in context of the Flynn and Russia. The GOP could at least pretend that's what they care about.

Edit: McCain sounds senile

Isn't Hillary on an excuses tour right now? Do you find that offensive?

[cwolff]

Is McCain Sober? I don't think he is.

That was some strange shit. I thought the same thing

[Parkbandit]

I haven't caught up on much of anything from today, but can someone tell me how good today was for Trump?

I watched it up until Marco Rubio basically said "/THREAD BITCHES"

Let's just say the headline on Huffington Post is Comey saying "I leaked to get a special prosecutor"

Bad day for time4fun :(


Isn't Hillary on an excuses tour right now? Do you find that offensive?

If you find that offensive, you must be a sexist.

[Methais]

I watched it up until Marco Rubio basically said "/THREAD BITCHES"

Let's just say the headline on Huffington Post is Comey saying "I leaked to get a special prosecutor"

Bad day for time4fun :(



If you find that offensive, you must be a sexist.

I'm offended that she wouldn't tell me what the Powerball numbers wouldn't be for last night. I'd be rich as fuck right now and buying Simutronics to give to DRAGONSS.

[Gelston]

Then what's with kushner trying to make 'backdoor channels' with the Russians what POSSIBLE reason would anyone have a need to do this? Then there's Flynn getting PAID by the Russians, seriously, a fucking 4 star US General getting paid by the Ruskies. If this were 30 years ago, he would've been shot for treason.

He was a 3 star.

[Gelston]

So, what happened? Who won?

[Methais]

So, what happened? Who won?

Sorcerers.

[Fortybox]

Wow, Comey admitted to collision with Loretta Lynch to falsify statements to benefit Hillary's campaign.

[Gelston]

Wow, Comey admitted to collision with Loretta Lynch to falsify statements to benefit Hillary's campaign.

Really? But I thought this was supposed to be about taking Trump down. Time4fun help!

[time4fun]

I watched it up until Marco Rubio basically said "/THREAD BITCHES"

Let's just say the headline on Huffington Post is Comey saying "I leaked to get a special prosecutor"

Bad day for time4fun :(



If you find that offensive, you must be a sexist.

Truthfully, it's strange to me that you always seem to have so many opinions, but that you're simultaneously so woefully ill informed.

It isn't illegal to openly discuss a conversation just because it's between two government officials. You DO understand that, right? Comey's memos weren't classified- he specifically stated that he wrote them in a way that ensured as such. There was no "leaking" of memos- they were free to share.

What you missed in all of this- apparently- is that Comey very clearly felt that Trump was obstructing justice. That's what was between the lines . He was documenting these interactions contemporaneously and in a manner in which they could be shared publicly.

And what I'm positive you missed is that Trump is very clearly currently under investigation right now.

[Fortybox]

Truthfully, it's strange to me that you always seem to have so many opinions, but that you're simultaneously so woefully ill informed.

It isn't illegal to openly discuss a conversation just because it's between two government officials. You DO understand that, right? Comey's memos weren't classified- he specifically stated that he wrote them in a way that ensured as such. There was no "leaking" of memos- they were free to share.

What you missed in all of this- apparently- is that Comey very clearly felt that Trump was obstructing justice. That's what was between the lines . He was documenting these interactions contemporaneously and in a manner in which they could be shared publicly.

And what I'm positive you missed is that Trump is very clearly currently under investigation right now.

I hope you choke on a OHB.

Oops, I guess I was ordering you to do so. My bad!

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

Truthfully, it's strange to me that you always seem to have so many opinions, but that you're simultaneously so woefully ill informed.

It isn't illegal to openly discuss a conversation just because it's between two government officials. You DO understand that, right? Comey's memos weren't classified- he specifically stated that he wrote them in a way that ensured as such. There was no "leaking" of memos- they were free to share.

What you missed in all of this- apparently- is that Comey very clearly felt that Trump was obstructing justice. That's what was between the lines . He was documenting these interactions contemporaneously and in a manner in which they could be shared publicly.

And what I'm positive you missed is that Trump is very clearly currently under investigation right now.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ksx7tZfdg

You need to clean borscht out of ears.

[time4fun]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=B_ksx7tZfdg

You need to clean borscht out of ears.

No, you do.

Comey confirmed that Mueller had already requested the Comey memos to review, and:


"I don't think it's for me to say whether the conversation I had with the president was an effort to obstruct," Comey said. "I took it as a very disturbing thing, very concerning, but that's a conclusion I'm sure the special counsel will work towards to try to understand what the intention was there and whether that's an offense."

Comey's testimony was that Trump wasn't under active counterintelligence or criminal investigation while he was with the FBI. He also clearly stated that Trump is now under investigation for obstruction of justice, at minimum.

[time4fun]

Note: Watching Fox News right now- even they're being critical of Trump.

Today was not a good day for Trump.

[Fortybox]

Note: Watching Fox News right now- even they're being critical of Trump.

Today was not a good day for Trump.

Lies. You'd melt like the wicked witch of the west if you did so.

Trump didn't order Comey to do anything. Hope, need, expect...nothing proves Trump ordered him to do anything. Go covfefe yourself!!

[Parkbandit]

Truthfully, it's strange to me that you always seem to have so many opinions, but that you're simultaneously so woefully ill informed.

Irony x1002


It isn't illegal to openly discuss a conversation just because it's between two government officials. You DO understand that, right? Comey's memos weren't classified- he specifically stated that he wrote them in a way that ensured as such. There was no "leaking" of memos- they were free to share.

You realize I was quoting the headline on Huffington Post... right?


What you missed in all of this- apparently- is that Comey very clearly felt that Trump was obstructing justice. That's what was between the lines . He was documenting these interactions contemporaneously and in a manner in which they could be shared publicly.

So now we're using "felt" and what's "between the lines" to determine guilt or innocence? Adorable.

What's it like to be so wrong ALL the time?


And what I'm positive you missed is that Trump is very clearly currently under investigation right now.

There's a special prosecutor.. has been for what, 3 weeks now? Did you not hear about that?

Let's just admit it wasn't the bad day for Trump you predicted.

Your predictions are legendarily bad. This was no exception.

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

Note: Watching Fox News right now- even they're being critical of Trump.

Today was not a good day for Trump.

Let us be honest for moment.

Leaked debate questions, collusion between Lynch and Comey, undermining Sanders. But you blame me for undermining American election. It obvious you are krokodil addict.

[Methais]

Note: Watching Fox News right now- even they're being critical of Trump.

Today was not a good day for Trump.

Thanks for confirming that today was a great day for Trump.

[Fortybox]

Markets are way up too. They don't care either.

[Tgo01]

Ok, help me out here. Honestly. Because I'm viewing you, or specifically people who at this point are denying that there has been obvious communication with the Russians pre-election, as you say some of the greatest useful idiots of all time.

What sort of "communications" are you referring to? Because believe it or not, "communicating" with another country isn't illegal.

[ClydeR]

My takeaways..

First, Comey said he was afraid Trump would lie about what Trump said. Zing! In fact, either Trump is lying or Comey is lying. Comey says that Trump invited Comey to dinner and asked for Comey's loyalty. Trump says that Comey requested the dinner and that Trump never asked for Comey's loyalty. One of them is lying. My sense is that the public is more likely to believe Comey than Trump.

Second, it doesn't really matter if Trump asked for Comey's loyalty. If all they have on Trump is what he said to Comey, then it's not enough. Comey says he interpreted it as an order from Trump. I don't believe Comey really interpreted it that way. The Republican Senators completely failed to ask the correct followup questions. They should have explored with Comey whether he would have done anything differently if Trump had explicitly said, "Director Comey, I order you to drop this investigation." Of course Comeny would have behaved differently in that case, which means that he didn't really think Trump was giving him an order.

Third, McCain is losing it. His rambling questions reflected a lack of understanding of the most elementary parts of the investigations. Fourth, McCain is losing it. Oh, wait. Did I say that already?

Fourth, Rosenstein's reputation is not likely to survive the investigation. Comey testified today that he told Rosenstein about Trump's loyalty request before Rosenstein wrote the memo about Comey. Unfortunately for Rosenstein, he is just an expendable satellite.

Fifth, Comey got his revenge and showed that he is more clever than I thought. He revealed that he authorized leaking information about his loyalty dinner with Trump. He said that he did so, in part, to force Rosenstein to appoint a special prosecutor. See the fourth point above.

[Parkbandit]

Today was not a good day for Trump.

If only wishes could come true!

So.. collusion is off the table.. are you hanging your "hope" on obstruction now?

[ClydeR]

So.. collusion is off the table.. are you hanging your "hope" on obstruction now?

With D.C. scandals, it's always the cover up.

There's nothing wrong with colluding with Russians. But it is a crime to cover up the collusion.

[Parkbandit]

With D.C. scandals, it's always the cover up.

There's nothing wrong with colluding with Russians. But it is a crime to cover up the collusion.

That makes sense... if they can't find any evidence of colluding... then Trump clearly covered it up!

LYNCH THAT ORANGE GLO MOTHER FUCKER!

[Androidpk]

The general consensus in the media is that McCain is a fucking wacko.

[Tgo01]

The general consensus in the media is that McCain is a fucking wacko.

He's a hero to the left when it comes to big bad Trump mocking him for being caught during war, all other times he's the enemy of the people.

[Androidpk]

Oh, and let's talk about former AG Lynch obstructing justice. We need to go back in time and get a special prosecutor.

[Methais]

That makes sense... if they can't find any evidence of colluding... then Trump clearly covered it up!

LYNCH THAT ORANGE GLO MOTHER FUCKER!

Sounds like my crazy ex when she'd grab my phone and look through it convinced that I was cheating on her and would never find anything. Then it became "You must have already deleted everything!!!!!" and I'm just like

https://encrypted-tbn0.gstatic.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcTE-0Ex7fjuyJ3f3PT2pQkegpNcZdeaJ5P4zgaeWS3YwSPdnTrBsHR ySA

[hello]

This was shit; there was nothing.

[time4fun]

It's hilarious that the conservative posse is walking out of this thinking it was a good day and collusion is somehow "off the table".

There's a lot in today that was terrible for Trump.

And Clyde- they don't "just" have the wildly inappropriate conversations between Trump and Comey.

They also have that Comey was fired after refusing to agree to a loyalty pledge as well as other requests to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation from Comey.

Inappropriate demands to cease investigations​ + refusal to do so divided by being fired afterwards = obstruction.

[Gelston]

Hey Tgo, stop being such a Grahamite.

[Wrathbringer]

It's hilarious that the conservative posse is walking out of this thinking it was a good day and collusion is somehow "off the table".

There's a lot in today that was terrible for Trump.

And Clyde- they don't "just" have the wildly inappropriate conversations between Trump and Comey.

They also have that Comey was fired after refusing to agree to a loyalty pledge as well as other requests to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation from Comey.

Inappropriate demands to cease investigations​ + refusal to do so divided by being fired afterwards = obstruction.

You're retarded.

[hello]

It's hilarious that the conservative posse is walking out of this thinking it was a good day and collusion is somehow "off the table".

There's a lot in today that was terrible for Trump.

And Clyde- they don't "just" have the wildly inappropriate conversations between Trump and Comey.

They also have that Comey was fired after refusing to agree to a loyalty pledge as well as other requests to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation from Comey.

Inappropriate demands to cease investigations​ + refusal to do so divided by being fired afterwards = obstruction.

Because it is. It's fucking hard as fuck to takedown a sitting President much less get him on some grand foreign government conspiracy. Even Nixon took a tape recording (irrefutable proof) to get him on breaking in on a hotel room (lulz)... but some Russian Manchurian candidate hollywood drama of epic proportions... you better have a video of him and Putin swimming in a pool of dead babies with Satan laughing in the background.

[Parkbandit]

Today was not a good day for Trump.

Just coming back to this.... still makes me laugh at your predictions.

Let's do a Winners and Losers list:

WINNERS:

President Trump: Comey stated Trump was not under investigation. Comey stated that Trump didn't direct him to drop the investigation on Flynn. Comey stated that there is no evidence of collusion with Russia. Sorry time4fun :(

LOSERS:

Loretta Lynch: Biggest bombshell today was Comey saying that Loretta told him not to call the Clinton Email fiasco an "Investigation", but to call it a "matter" which more lined up with what the Clinton Campaign wanted to call it.

Comey: He looked dishonest and slippery and had an axe to grind against Trump.

McCain: Seriously, WTF was that? Dude, it's time to retire already.

NY Times: Comey stated that they ran a story that was completely fabricated. SHOCKER!

[time4fun]

Because it is. It's fucking hard as fuck to takedown a sitting President much less get him on some grand foreign government conspiracy. Even Nixon took a tape recording (irrefutable proof) to get him on breaking in on a hotel room (lulz)... but some Russian Manchurian candidate hollywood drama of epic proportions... you better have a video of him and Putin swimming in a pool of dead babies with Satan laughing in the background.

You know what does bring down sitting Presidents?

Special Prosecutors

[Parkbandit]

It's hilarious that the conservative posse is walking out of this thinking it was a good day and collusion is somehow "off the table".

There's a lot in today that was terrible for Trump.

And Clyde- they don't "just" have the wildly inappropriate conversations between Trump and Comey.

They also have that Comey was fired after refusing to agree to a loyalty pledge as well as other requests to "lift the cloud" of the Russia investigation from Comey.

Inappropriate demands to cease investigations​ + refusal to do so divided by being fired afterwards = obstruction.

How many times has charges been brought up to someone that says they "hope" something happens?

Zero.

Sorry.. no collusion. No obstructing.

The only "damaging" thing that came out against Trump was that Comey "felt" like he wanted him to drop the Flynn investigation. And that Trump lied about something he said in a tweet.

Drown your troubles in a nice glass of wine.. it was a bad day for you. :(

[Androidpk]

Just coming back to this.... still makes me laugh at your predictions.

Let's do a Winners and Losers list:

WINNERS:

President Trump: Comey stated Trump was not under investigation. Comey stated that Trump didn't direct him to drop the investigation on Flynn. Comey stated that there is no evidence of collusion with Russia. Sorry time4fun :(

LOSERS:

Loretta Lynch: Biggest bombshell today was Comey saying that Loretta told him not to call the Clinton Email fiasco an "Investigation", but to call it a "matter" which more lined up with what the Clinton Campaign wanted to call it.

Comey: He looked dishonest and slippery and had an axe to grind against Trump.

McCain: Seriously, WTF was that? Dude, it's time to retire already.

NY Times: Comey stated that they ran a story that was completely fabricated. SHOCKER!


Agreed for the most part except for Comey being a loser. If anything he was today's biggest winner.

The biggest losers would be all the dems who have been harping on Trump colluding with Russia, Lynch and McCain.

I want to know who gave Lynch her marching orders. Obama? Bill? Hillary? Hillary's staff?

[Parkbandit]

You know what does bring down sitting Presidents?

Special Prosecutors

LOL.

[Parkbandit]

Agreed for the most part except for Comey being a loser. If anything he was today's biggest winner.


Really? I really thought he was an upstanding FBI Director, but today he just looked small and had a vendetta against Trump.

Granted, I stated when it happened that the way Trump fired Comey was rude and beneath the Office of the President.. so maybe the vendetta was warranted. He just came across as a slimy politician to me today. It really wouldn't surprise me to see him run for office as a Democrat in a few years.

[Parkbandit]

I want to know who gave Lynch her marching orders. Obama? Bill? Hillary? Hillary's staff?

I doubt anyone did.. she's a loyal liberal above all else.

[Androidpk]

Really? I really thought he was an upstanding FBI Director, but today he just looked small and had a vendetta against Trump.

Granted, I stated when it happened that the way Trump fired Comey was rude and beneath the Office of the President.. so maybe the vendetta was warranted. He just came across as a slimy politician to me today. It really wouldn't surprise me to see him run for office as a Democrat in a few years.

Vendetta seems like a bit too strong of a word. I think what Comey did was take the necessary actions to protect himself against Trump slandering him. Slimy politician? Nah. He just knows how the game works in DC. Not to mention slimy politicians have hubris issues whereas Comey comes across as a humble but straight shooter.

[Shaps]

Did a quick read through all this, but again I'm still sitting and mainly waiting for all the evidence. I take away from this timeline/scenario the following:

1. Russia, and other Nations, continually attempt to hack and influence American interests.. both in Government and Business.
2. It was proven that someone, possibly a state actor like Russia, did successfully hack the DNC servers. It was proven that attempts were made on the RNC servers, but no hack occurred due to security measures in place.

****This is the important part that gets left out... attempts were made on BOTH the DNC and RNC servers. Just because one groups dirty laundry got leaked doesn't mean the other side was "colluding", it means that whoever (most likely Russia + a couple other Nations) successfully hacked the information... simply by releasing it, you see the fallout. We'll eat ourselves before an outside actor has to do anything else. And these other Nations know that.****

3. Information from the hacked DNC servers was then disseminated. The content of those emails shed light on the real inner workings of the DNC.
4. At this time, no outside influence upon the election has been identified that directly altered voting outcomes (ie. hacked voting machines, fake voters, manipulated voting records, etc.).
5. Election occurs... Russia is thrust into the spotlight as a potential reason for the DNCs loss.

Since the election some things have occurred... I'm not sure what is what, because of all the political bullshit going back and forth, but from observation... the following are my opinions on it as it stands now.

1. Trump never directed, or was involved, in any "collusion" with Russia to affect the election.
2. Once the election was won, surrogates and people that work for Trump overstepped their perceived "power" and "position" and started trying to make some shady deal or position themselves for things down the line.
3. Flynn is a whole other ball of wax, and I think he should be examined. He served under Obama and was selected by Trump. This is not a knock on either President, but one more on our Intel Community and vetting process, in addition to Flynn's lack of openness.
4. Trump has handled this whole affair horribly. He is used to the business world and a certain management style. That he is adapting so slowly to his current environment is a bit sad, but on the other hand... I actually think good for the populous... because this is putting on display for ALL people in the US to see how their representatives truly act when their power base is threatened. Shameful how our elected officials are acting really. Trump just keeps feeding them though, so blame falls on him as well.

The rest.. I will wait and see how it pans out.

**edited to take out some redundancy**

[Fortybox]

Even the liberal left is agreeing there's nothing:

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/alan-dershowitz-history-precedent-and-james-comeys-opening-statement-show-that-trump-did-not-obstruct-justice/article/2625318

My favorite part of the op-ed:


The statement may provide political ammunition to Trump opponents, but unless they are willing to stretch Comey's words and take Trump's out of context, and unless they are prepared to abandon important constitutional principles and civil liberties that protect us all, they should not be searching for ways to expand already elastic criminal statutes and shrink enduring constitutional safeguard in a dangerous and futile effort to criminalize political disagreements.

But I'm sure Time4Retards has 5 law degrees and knows SO much better.

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

You know what does bring down sitting Presidents?

Special Prosecutors

I look forward to working with President Donald J. Trump and the American people. There was a time that Mother Russia and US worked together to defeat great evil. We are once again faced with such an evil that must be destroyed. It is sad thing that the National Socialists have infiltrated your American Democrat party and are once again walking hand in hand with extremist Muslims.

Under normal circumstances the false charges against Mother Russia and her people would have brought us to brink of war. It was obvious though that Hitlery and her brown shirt lemmings have completely lost their minds and we could tell this insanity was seen by those that still care for your great country.

The American people and the Russian people have many things in common. Such as the new discovery of more than two genders, though we have only discovered a third gender, those being Male, Female and you have had way too much vodka.

From Russia with love. ~Vlad

[time4fun]

Did a quick read through all this, but again I'm still sitting and mainly waiting for all the evidence. I take away from this timeline/scenario the following:

1. Russia, and other Nations, continually attempt to hack and influence American interests.. both in Government and Business.
2. It was proven that someone, possibly a state actor like Russia, did successfully hack the DNC servers. It was proven that attempts were made on the RNC servers, but no hack occurred due to security measures in place.

****This is the important part that gets left out... attempts were made on BOTH the DNC and RNC servers. Just because one groups dirty laundry got leaked doesn't mean the other side was "colluding", it means that whoever (most likely Russia + a couple other Nations) successfully hacked the information... simply by releasing it, you see the fallout. We'll eat ourselves before an outside actor has to do anything else. And these other Nations know that.****

3. Information from the hacked DNC servers was then disseminated. The content of those emails shed light on the real inner workings of the DNC.
4. At this time, no outside influence upon the election has been identified that directly altered voting outcomes (ie. hacked voting machines, fake voters, manipulated voting records, etc.).
5. Election occurs... Russia is thrust into the spotlight as a potential reason for the DNCs loss.

Since the election some things have occurred... I'm not sure what is what, because of all the political bullshit going back and forth, but from observation... the following are my opinions on it as it stands now.

1. Trump never directed, or was involved, in any "collusion" with Russia to affect the election.
2. Once the election was won, surrogates and people that work for Trump overstepped their perceived "power" and "position" and started trying to make some shady deal or position themselves for things down the line.
3. Flynn is a whole other ball of wax, and I think he should be examined. He served under Obama and was selected by Trump. This is not a knock on either President, but one more on our Intel Community and vetting process, in addition to Flynn's lack of openness.
4. Trump has handled this whole affair horribly. He is used to the business world and a certain management style. That he is adapting so slowly to his current environment is a bit sad, but on the other hand... I actually think good for the populous... because this is putting on display for ALL people in the US to see how their representatives truly act when their power base is threatened. Shameful how our elected officials are acting really. Trump just keeps feeding them though, so blame falls on him as well.

The rest.. I will wait and see how it pans out.

**edited to take out some redundancy**

Several of the things you said were inaccurate representations of the testimony today.

Items 1 and 2, for example, bear little resemblance to what we were told. Comey was incredibly clear that Russia was behind the hacks (EVERY SINGLE Intelligence Agency in the US has stated this- including agencies from numerous European allies. Literally no one outside of the right wing media is questioning it). Russia is the leader of the pack in this regard- no one ever placed Russia in par with "other countries". Instead, Comey indicated that other countries were watching our (lack of) response to Russia's actions, and that was concerning to him.

Also as far as the RNC hack- the fact that the RNC was hacked yet none of it was leaked was one of the major pieces of evidence that the Russian activity was meant to benefit Trump, not just hurt Clinton. It also indicates that since part of what they took from the RNC was opposition research on Trump, they may have something on him. Blackmail is their favorite recruitment tactic.

As far as your post-election pieces-

1) Literally nothing in the testimony said Trump didn't collude with Russia. That's a fun headline being run by some right wing sites, but Comey refused to answer the question in the public hearing- which suggests that he may very well believe Trump was involved in collusion. All he said was that *at the time* Trump wasn't a target of the investigation. Trump is very clearly under investigation currently for obstruction of justice, at least, based on Comey's testimony.

2) There's enough serious evidence of this collusion that it convinced the FBI to open up multiple counter-intelligence investigations targeting major Trump campaign figures. So it's quite possibly true.

3) Flynn was fired by the Obama administration. Trump- against ALL advice and common sense- hired him and continues to defend him. This is after Obama made it clear he wasn't to be trusted, and after he was informed by the DoJ and its sub-agencies that Flynn was lying about contacts with Turkey and Russia, and that he was vulnerable to blackmail (Russia's favorite recruitment tactic). Coincidentally, he was also the first one to offer to flip on the Trump campaign for immunity. Of course I jest. I don't think it's a coincidence at all.

4) Trump wasn't handed anything. He didn't accidentally end up with Page, Manafort, Flynn, Sessions, Tillerson, Mnuchin, and the rest. He knew very well what was going on. He also wasn't just "handed" millions upon millions of dollars from Oligarchs, Vnesheconombank, etc. We are FAR past any point where you could call his extensive Russian contacts (and his extensive series of denials about those contacts) accidental. Why repeatedly lie about your contacts, and that of your campaign, if you had no idea they were going on originally? Why not say "This is a huge problem, and I will look into this seriously"?

I think what we just learned today was that Trump is as dishonest as most of us suspect him to be, and that he has no problem abusing Presidential power when it serves his interests (at lest in his head), and the media was right about most of its reporting on the subject of the Comey memos.

And that Muller already has said memos.

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

Several of the things you said were inaccurate representations of the testimony today.

Items 1 and 2, for example, bear little resemblance to what we were told. Comey was incredibly clear that Russia was behind the hacks (EVERY SINGLE Intelligence Agency in the US has stated this- including agencies from numerous European allies. Literally no one outside of the right wing media is questioning it). Russia is the leader of the pack in this regard- no one ever placed Russia in par with "other countries". Instead, Comey indicated that other countries were watching our (lack of) response to Russia's actions, and that was concerning to him.

Also as far as the RNC hack- the fact that the RNC was hacked yet none of it was leaked was one of the major pieces of evidence that the Russian activity was meant to benefit Trump, not just hurt Clinton. It also indicates that since part of what they took from the RNC was opposition research on Trump, they may have something on him. Blackmail is their favorite recruitment tactic.

As far as your post-election pieces-

1) Literally nothing in the testimony said Trump didn't collude with Russia. That's a fun headline being run by some right wing sites, but Comey refused to answer the question in the public hearing- which suggests that he may very well believe Trump was involved in collusion. All he said was that *at the time* Trump wasn't a target of the investigation. Trump is very clearly under investigation currently for obstruction of justice, at least, based on Comey's testimony.

2) There's enough serious evidence of this collusion that it convinced the FBI to open up multiple counter-intelligence investigations targeting major Trump campaign figures. So it's quite possibly true.

3) Flynn was fired by the Obama administration. Trump- against ALL advice and common sense- hired him and continues to defend him. This is after Obama made it clear he wasn't to be trusted, and after he was informed by the DoJ and its sub-agencies that Flynn was lying about contacts with Turkey and Russia, and that he was vulnerable to blackmail (Russia's favorite recruitment tactic). Coincidentally, he was also the first one to offer to flip on the Trump campaign for immunity. Of course I jest. I don't think it's a coincidence at all.

4) Trump wasn't handed anything. He didn't accidentally end up with Page, Manafort, Flynn, Sessions, Tillerson, Mnuchin, and the rest. He knew very well what was going on. He also wasn't just "handed" millions upon millions of dollars from Oligarchs, Vnesheconombank, etc. We are FAR past any point where you could call his extensive Russian contacts (and his extensive series of denials about those contacts) accidental. Why repeatedly lie about your contacts, and that of your campaign, if you had no idea they were going on originally? Why not say "This is a huge problem, and I will look into this seriously"?

I think what we just learned today was that Trump is as dishonest as most of us suspect him to be, and that he has no problem abusing Presidential power when it serves his interests (at lest in his head), and the media was right about most of its reporting on the subject of the Comey memos.

And that Muller already has said memos.

The democrat party is dead. Today was the final nail in the coffin. Everybody sees through the bullshit.

You and your ilks best bet is to openly apologize over lnet for dragging your bullshit and your lies into the game.

[time4fun]

The democrat party is dead. Today was the final nail in the coffin. Everybody sees through the bullshit.

You and your ilks best bet is to openly apologize over lnet for dragging your bullshit and your lies into the game.

I think you're mistaking me for Sean Hannity.

[The Real Vladimir Putin]

I think you're mistaking me for Sean Hannity.

I think you have gone out of your way to make up a bunch of bullshit about people you don't agree with and then went on to spread those lies through the Gemstone community. In fact I know that's what you have done.

[Fortybox]

Impeachment odds are sliding. Time4Retards was wrong.

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user5/imageroot/2017/06/04/impeachment%20comey%201.jpg

[drauz]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ15ymETv-s

[Tgo01]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJ15ymETv-s

Yeah but he's an old white guy, therefore he's racist and doesn't know anything.

We need to hear what time4fun's lawyer boyfriend thinks about this.

[drauz]

Yeah but he's an old white guy, therefore he's racist and doesn't know anything.

But hes a Democrat!

[Tgo01]

But hes a Democrat!

Oh. Well now I'm confused :(

[hello]

He's not getting impeached; the only truly negative thing that might happen is the economy tanks and his approval ratings sink to the teens. Then you'll see Democrats pickup 30+ seats in the house; 3 or 4 seats in the Senate.

[Parkbandit]

Several of the things you said were inaccurate representations of the testimony today.

Items 1 and 2, for example, bear little resemblance to what we were told. Comey was incredibly clear that Russia was behind the hacks (EVERY SINGLE Intelligence Agency in the US has stated this- including agencies from numerous European allies. Literally no one outside of the right wing media is questioning it). Russia is the leader of the pack in this regard- no one ever placed Russia in par with "other countries". Instead, Comey indicated that other countries were watching our (lack of) response to Russia's actions, and that was concerning to him.

Also as far as the RNC hack- the fact that the RNC was hacked yet none of it was leaked was one of the major pieces of evidence that the Russian activity was meant to benefit Trump, not just hurt Clinton. It also indicates that since part of what they took from the RNC was opposition research on Trump, they may have something on him. Blackmail is their favorite recruitment tactic.

As far as your post-election pieces-

1) Literally nothing in the testimony said Trump didn't collude with Russia. That's a fun headline being run by some right wing sites, but Comey refused to answer the question in the public hearing- which suggests that he may very well believe Trump was involved in collusion. All he said was that *at the time* Trump wasn't a target of the investigation. Trump is very clearly under investigation currently for obstruction of justice, at least, based on Comey's testimony.

2) There's enough serious evidence of this collusion that it convinced the FBI to open up multiple counter-intelligence investigations targeting major Trump campaign figures. So it's quite possibly true.

3) Flynn was fired by the Obama administration. Trump- against ALL advice and common sense- hired him and continues to defend him. This is after Obama made it clear he wasn't to be trusted, and after he was informed by the DoJ and its sub-agencies that Flynn was lying about contacts with Turkey and Russia, and that he was vulnerable to blackmail (Russia's favorite recruitment tactic). Coincidentally, he was also the first one to offer to flip on the Trump campaign for immunity. Of course I jest. I don't think it's a coincidence at all.

4) Trump wasn't handed anything. He didn't accidentally end up with Page, Manafort, Flynn, Sessions, Tillerson, Mnuchin, and the rest. He knew very well what was going on. He also wasn't just "handed" millions upon millions of dollars from Oligarchs, Vnesheconombank, etc. We are FAR past any point where you could call his extensive Russian contacts (and his extensive series of denials about those contacts) accidental. Why repeatedly lie about your contacts, and that of your campaign, if you had no idea they were going on originally? Why not say "This is a huge problem, and I will look into this seriously"?

I think what we just learned today was that Trump is as dishonest as most of us suspect him to be, and that he has no problem abusing Presidential power when it serves his interests (at lest in his head), and the media was right about most of its reporting on the subject of the Comey memos.

And that Muller already has said memos.

Lots of nonsense here.. I didn't even get to your numbered responses because I can literally feel my IQ drop when I read your stupidity.

You stated that both the DNC and RNC were hacked but the only things leaked were from the DNC and that is the basis of the conspiracy theory that Trump must have colluded with the Russians. This is untrue. Russia attempted at the same time to hack into the RNC, but couldn't get past their firewall. They got into some obsolete sites and got some obsolete information.. that's why nothing from the RNC was leaked.

[time4fun]

He's not getting impeached; the only truly negative thing that might happen is the economy tanks and his approval ratings sink to the teens. Then you'll see Democrats pickup 30+ seats in the house; 3 or 4 seats in the Senate.

Impeachment doesn't exist independently of approval ratings. Remember that impeachment is a political proceeding, not a juridical one. If Trump's approval ratings hit, say, the 20's, and the Democrats take the House- Trump is in a lot of trouble. If Trump's approval ratings (especially among Republican voters) improve, then he's probably fine.

Candidly, a lot of people in this thread have created an argument of convenience- that somehow the Comey testimony yesterday was the capstone event of a series of investigations that touch on Trump. Nothing could be further from the truth- yesterday was the tip of the iceberg. And so far it looks really bad for Trump. Mueller is at least looking into obstruction charges, Comey's testimony clearly indicates a pattern of behavior intended to impact the outcome of at least two FBI investigations, Comey's firing elevates the situation in a dangerous way for Trump, and there is still A LOT of investigative work into Trump's campaign, his finances, and some of his Cabinet.

The fact that Comey was unwilling to answer any questions about whether or not he thought there was collusion between Trump and/or his campaign/Cabinet and Russia was not great. The fact that we learned Mueller is now investigating Trump for obstruction is not great. And the fact that we just learned there may have been a third undisclosed meeting between Sessions and everyone's favorite Russian ambassador is really not great. (regardless of whether or not it's true- it means deeper investigations into what Sessions has done, and that's just all around bad for Trump).

And really- we can't lose sight of the fact that- all Russia questions aside- a sitting President corruptly trying to influence the outcome of FBI Investigations that touch on him and his good friends is a massive problem. And before the conservative posse of PC continues to dismiss it at inconsequential- ask yourselves- would you be okay with the next Democratic President pressured the FBI Director to stop investigating their friends and their campaign and then fired that FBI Director when they refused to do so?

If not, then it's time to rethink your stance of Trump.

[Wrathbringer]

Impeachment doesn't exist independently of approval ratings. Remember that impeachment is a political proceeding, not a juridical one. If Trump's approval ratings hit, say, the 20's, and the Democrats take the House- Trump is in a lot of trouble. If Trump's approval ratings (especially among Republican voters) improve, then he's probably fine.

Candidly, a lot of people in this thread have created an argument of convenience- that somehow the Comey testimony yesterday was the capstone event of a series of investigations that touch on Trump. Nothing could be further from the truth- yesterday was the tip of the iceberg. And so far it looks really bad for Trump. Mueller is at least looking into obstruction charges, Comey's testimony clearly indicates a pattern of behavior intended to impact the outcome of at least two FBI investigations, Comey's firing elevates the situation in a dangerous way for Trump, and there is still A LOT of investigative work into Trump's campaign, his finances, and some of his Cabinet.

The fact that Comey was unwilling to answer any questions about whether or not he thought there was collusion between Trump and/or his campaign/Cabinet and Russia was not great. The fact that we learned Mueller is now investigating Trump for obstruction is not great. And the fact that we just learned there may have been a third undisclosed meeting between Sessions and everyone's favorite Russian ambassador is really not great. (regardless of whether or not it's true- it means deeper investigations into what Sessions has done, and that's just all around bad for Trump).

You're retarded.

[Parkbandit]

Impeachment doesn't exist independently of approval ratings. Remember that impeachment is a political proceeding, not a juridical one. If Trump's approval ratings hit, say, the 20's, and the Democrats take the House- Trump is in a lot of trouble. If Trump's approval ratings (especially among Republican voters) improve, then he's probably fine.

You're as dumb as you are delusional. Look up grounds for impeachment. SPOILER: Approval ratings are not a reason for impeachment.


Candidly, a lot of people in this thread have created an argument of convenience- that somehow the Comey testimony yesterday was the capstone event of a series of investigations that touch on Trump. Nothing could be further from the truth- yesterday was the tip of the iceberg. And so far it looks really bad for Trump. Mueller is at least looking into obstruction charges, Comey's testimony clearly indicates a pattern of behavior intended to impact the outcome of at least two FBI investigations, Comey's firing elevates the situation in a dangerous way for Trump, and there is still A LOT of investigative work into Trump's campaign, his finances, and some of his Cabinet.

Of course Mueller is at least "looking" into obstruction.. he won't get it with what was said. Comey works at the pleasure of the President. He can be fired at any time for any reason. The fact that Comey leaked out his notes to a journalist through a friend was good enough reason for me. Comey wishes he could be more strong... so do we.


The fact that Comey was unwilling to answer any questions about whether or not he thought there was collusion between Trump and/or his campaign/Cabinet and Russia was not great.

What? He said he couldn't discuss it in an open committee... how is that "OMG TRUMP COLLUDED!" in your frail mind?


The fact that we learned Mueller is now investigating Trump for obstruction is not great. And the fact that we just learned there may have been a third undisclosed meeting between Sessions and everyone's favorite Russian ambassador is really not great. (regardless of whether or not it's true- it means deeper investigations into what Sessions has done, and that's just all around bad for Trump).

And really- we can't lose sight of the fact that- all Russia questions aside- a sitting President corruptly trying to influence the outcome of FBI Investigations that touch on him and his good friends is a massive problem. And before the conservative posse of PC continues to dismiss it at inconsequential- ask yourselves- would you be okay with the next Democratic President pressured the FBI Director to stop investigating their friends and their campaign and then fired that FBI Director when they refused to do so?

If not, then it's time to rethink your stance of Trump.

Was it ok for the former Attorney General to pressure the FBI Director to force him to change the wording of a criminal investigation to benefit a campaign?

[Parkbandit]

You're retarded.

She's just so invested in Clinton that she's lost sight of actual facts.

Poor thing.

[Fortybox]

She's just so invested in Clinton that she's lost sight of actual facts.

Poor thing.

She is so invested in destroying the opposition that she doesn't care how it is accomplished. This is why Trump was elected. People are sick of the left's temper tantrums.

We need people like time4retards because they expose how utterly stupid the liberal mind set is.

[RichardCranium]

And before the conservative posse of PC continues to dismiss it at inconsequential- ask yourselves- would you be okay with the next Democratic President pressured the FBI Director to stop investigating their friends and their campaign and then fired that FBI Director when they refused to do so?

Isn't that close to what happened with Hillary?

[Parkbandit]

Isn't that close to what happened with Hillary?

And now SEXISM rears it's ugly head!

SEXIST SEXIST SEXIST!

[time4fun]

Isn't that close to what happened with Hillary?

There's really no comparison between the two situations. It's ridiculous- and dangerous- to suggest otherwise.

[Fortybox]

There's really no comparison between the two situations. It's ridiculous- and dangerous- to suggest otherwise.

The president has the authority to stop the investigation. The president also has the authority to fire the director.

[Androidpk]

There's really no comparison between the two situations. It's ridiculous- and dangerous- to suggest otherwise.

lolstfu

[Androidpk]

EVERY SINGLE Intelligence Agency in the US has stated this

No, you stupid fucking idiot, they didn't. The ODNI, the CIA, NSA and FBI did. All the other ones had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. You've been corrected on this before but go ahead and keep talking your lies.

[Back]

No, you stupid fucking idiot, they didn't. The ODNI, the CIA, NSA and FBI did. All the other ones had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. You've been corrected on this before but go ahead and keep talking your lies.

You seem upset.

[Androidpk]

You seem upset.

I'm allergic to bullshit.

[Back]

I'm allergic to bullshit.

Then how do you stand yourself?

[Parkbandit]

There's really no comparison between the two situations. It's ridiculous- and dangerous- to suggest otherwise.

http://www.jojofun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/franz-cisco-clown-gif-1.gif

Oh, tell us! What is the dangerous part!!!

You really are an idiot.

[Androidpk]

Then how do you stand yourself?

What exactly am I bullshitting about?

[Parkbandit]

Then how do you stand yourself?


http://www.jojofun.co.uk/wp-content/uploads/franz-cisco-clown-gif-1.gif

[Methais]

Can someone here tell me when the last time was that time4denial was right about anything significant in the politics folder?

Anyone?

[Gelston]

Can someone here tell me when the last time was that time4denial was right about anything significant in the politics folder?

Anyone?

When she was saying Hillary was going to defeat Bernie.

[Methais]

When she was saying Hillary was going to defeat Bernie.

Even my dog knew that.

[time4fun]

No, you stupid fucking idiot, they didn't. The ODNI, the CIA, NSA and FBI did. All the other ones had absolutely nothing to do with any of this. You've been corrected on this before but go ahead and keep talking your lies.

This has been fact checked (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/) over and over (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/) again. Find better sources you psycho.

From the joint statement (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national)signed by the Director of National Intelligence

"The U.S. Intelligence Community (USIC) is confident that the Russian Government directed the recent compromises of e-mails from US persons and institutions, including from US political organizations. The recent disclosures of alleged hacked e-mails on sites like DCLeaks.com and WikiLeaks and by the Guccifer 2.0 online persona are consistent with the methods and motivations of Russian-directed efforts. These thefts and disclosures are intended to interfere with the US election process. Such activity is not new to Moscow—the Russians have used similar tactics and techniques across Europe and Eurasia, for example, to influence public opinion there. We believe, based on the scope and sensitivity of these efforts, that only Russia's senior-most officials could have authorized these activities."

That would be a statement representing the: Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and- of course- the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

[time4fun]

lolstfu

Okay, please explain what was analogous about a sitting US President telling the Director of the FBI to cease an active criminal investigation into the President's close friend and campaign adviser.

I eagerly await your flailing.

[Tgo01]

Can someone here tell me when the last time was that time4denial was right about anything significant in the politics folder?

Anyone?

You're asking the impossible here.

[Candor]

You're asking the impossible here.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oYM0j2NCB88

[time4fun]

Even my dog knew that.

When I said that the Russia situation was a big deal (back before November)

When I said Russia meddled in our elections.

When I said that Manafort had significant Russian contacts that were serious legal problems.

When I said Michael Flynn's contacts with Russia were a genuine problem.

When I said Clinton wasn't going to be prosecuted

When I said Comey's firing warranted a special prosecutor.

When I said that Trump was engaging in activity that could land him in an investigation for obstruction of justice.

When I said that you've never contributed anything of substance in these threads.

[Tgo01]

When I said that the Russia situation was a big deal (back before November)

You mean that isn't really a big deal but the left made it a big deal? I mean, sure, if you're scraping the absolute bottom of the barrel here. No wonder you and WB get along so well, you're both useless morons who make up bullshit to fit their narrative.

[jtyler]

I think all of us can agree that the fact that the piss dossier is a fake is heartbreaking.

I, for one, slept more comfortably at night knowing that our President shared the same fetish of Russian hookers urinating all over me.

My dreams of joining him in a seedy hotel behind Макдоналдс have been shattered.

[Parkbandit]

When I said that the Russia situation was a big deal (back before November) WRONG

When I said Russia meddled in our elections. WRONG

When I said that Manafort had significant Russian contacts that were serious legal problems. WRONG

When I said Michael Flynn's contacts with Russia were a genuine problem. WRONG

When I said Clinton wasn't going to be prosecuted CORRECT

When I said Comey's firing warranted a special prosecutor. WRONG

When I said that Trump was engaging in activity that could land him in an investigation for obstruction of justice. WRONG

When I said that you've never contributed anything of substance in these threads. WRONG

I suppose a score of 13 is good in your fantasy land.. but in the real world it just points to how fucking retarded you are.

BUT I don't want to be mean, so here's a participation trophy for your "effort"

http://cdn2.headlineshirts.net/media/catalog/product/cache/3/image/9df78eab33525d08d6e5fb8d27136e95/t/r/trophy_v1_1312.jpg

[Parkbandit]

I think all of us can agree that the fact that the piss dossier is a fake is heartbreaking.

I, for one, slept more comfortably at night knowing that our President shared the same fetish of Russian hookers urinating all over me.

My dreams of joining him in a seedy hotel behind Макдоналдс have been shattered.

http://www.threadbombing.com/data/media/14/wtf_2.jpg

[Androidpk]

This has been fact checked (http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-meter/statements/2016/oct/19/hillary-clinton/hillary-clinton-blames-russia-putin-wikileaks-rele/) over and over (https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/onpolitics/2016/10/21/17-intelligence-agencies-russia-behind-hacking/92514592/) again. Find better sources you psycho.

From the joint statement (https://www.dhs.gov/news/2016/10/07/joint-statement-department-homeland-security-and-office-director-national)signed by the Director of National Intelligence


That would be a statement representing the: Air Force Intelligence, Army Intelligence, Central Intelligence Agency, Coast Guard Intelligence, Defense Intelligence Agency, Energy Department, Homeland Security Department, State Department, Treasury Department, Drug Enforcement Administration, Federal Bureau of Investigation, Marine Corps Intelligence, National Geospatial Intelligence Agency, National Reconnaissance Office, National Security Agency, Navy Intelligence and- of course- the Office of the Director of National Intelligence.

This only proves how utterly fucking stupid you are. The ODNI is the head of the IC. Just because the ODNI signs off on something doesn't mean every single fucking intel agency was a part of the process. You really think the Coast Guard intel unit is going to have insight on foreign countries hacking the US? How about the NRO? Just stop already. This has already been debunked after Hillary said the same shit.

[Tgo01]

This only proves how utterly fucking stupid you are. The ODNI is the head of the IC. Just because the ODNI signs off on something doesn't mean every single fucking intel agency was a part of the process. You really think the Coast Guard intel unit is going to have insight on foreign countries hacking the US? How about the NRO? Just stop already. This has already been debunked after Hillary said the same shit.

Hey her boyfriend is a lawyer, she knows what she's talking about.

[Wrathbringer]

When I said that the Russia situation was a big deal (back before November)

When I said Russia meddled in our elections.

When I said that Manafort had significant Russian contacts that were serious legal problems.

When I said Michael Flynn's contacts with Russia were a genuine problem.

When I said Clinton wasn't going to be prosecuted

When I said Comey's firing warranted a special prosecutor.

When I said that Trump was engaging in activity that could land him in an investigation for obstruction of justice.

When I said that you've never contributed anything of substance in these threads.

When I said you're retarded.

[Fortybox]

ComeyFEFE 2017 is a dud. Trump isn't going to be impeached.

[Androidpk]

Hey her boyfriend is a lawyer, she knows what she's talking about.

Her bf must know more than the former director of national intelligence James Clapper too, because he debunked the 17 agency BS.

[Methais]

When I said that you've never contributed anything of substance in these threads.

Irony. Such incredible irony. Especially since you think you actually contribute anything more than pure idiocy while the rest of us laugh at you and use you for entertainment. And the fact that nearly everything you listed in your post is wrong.

Please don't stop being the Jelly of the Month club.


Hey her boyfriend is a lawyer, she knows what she's talking about.

I heard she has a PhD in boyfriends too.

[Fortybox]

Time for a new narrative!

http://www.zerohedge.com/sites/default/files/images/user3303/imageroot/2017/06/07/20170609_dems.jpg

[Candor]

(Mic.com) Leaders of the House Intelligence Committee's Russia investigation set a deadline for President Donald Trump to produce any taped communications between Trump and former FBI Director James Comey, saying if the tapes exist, Trump must submit them to the committee by June 23.

[time4fun]

Can someone here tell me when the last time was that time4denial was right about anything significant in the politics folder?

Anyone?

Oh Methais dear. Add to the list- "When I said that Comey's testimony indicated that Trump was under active investigation for obstruction".

[ClydeR]

The Russians are offering asylum to Comey.


Russian President Vladimir Putin on Thursday said his country is ready to offer James Comey asylum if the former FBI director should face political persecution.

“If Comey will be under the threat of political persecution, we are ready to accept him here,” Putin said, speaking at the president’s annual, televised question-and-answering session with the Russian people. “It sounds very strange when the head of the security services writes down a conversation with the commander-in-chief and then leaks it to the media through his friend.”

Putin likened Comey’s actions to those of a human rights defender, even drawing parallels to Edward Snowden, the former NSA contractor who leaked thousands of documents in 2013.

More... (http://www.politico.com/story/2017/06/15/putin-james-comey-asylum-239589)

[jtyler]

putin is a shitposter, confirmed

[Shaps]

The Russians are offering asylum to Comey.

Wait.. so Comey is working for the Russians???

This whole thing just took a left turn.. it's starting to make sense! Comey has been working with the Commies the whole time.. no wonder his actions were so odd.. he was taking orders from his handlers... this must be investigated immediately!!! Special prosecutor now!!

[Androidpk]

Russia all the way down.

[time4fun]

Wait.. so Comey is working for the Russians???

This whole thing just took a left turn.. it's starting to make sense! Comey has been working with the Commies the whole time.. no wonder his actions were so odd.. he was taking orders from his handlers... this must be investigated immediately!!! Special prosecutor now!!

He's trolling the US- enjoying every minute of what chaos he wrecked.

[Neveragain]

He's trolling the US- enjoying every minute of what chaos the Democrat party has wrecked on itself.

Fixed for honesty and accuracy.

[Parkbandit]

He's trolling the US- enjoying every minute of what chaos he wrecked.

He's not doing anything... the alt lefties like you are.

Keep moving those goal posts though!

[Back]

He's not doing anything... the alt lefties like you are.

Keep moving those goal posts though!

When you start labeling average everyday people as extremists you make yourself one by pushing yourself away from the normal middle ground.

[~Rocktar~]

When you start labeling average everyday people as extremists you make yourself one by pushing yourself away from the normal middle ground.

Kind of like all of the majority Democrat leadership and Bernie Sanders have, huh?

[Parkbandit]

When you start labeling average everyday people as extremists you make yourself one by pushing yourself away from the normal middle ground.

People like you and time4fun are the absolute opposite of "average everyday people" with your political beliefs.

And before you go believing "OMG PB SAID I WAS A TRENDY HIPSTER! I'M SO THRILLED!!!!", no... that's not what I'm saying. I'm saying you both are fringe nutjobs, even of your own political party. It's people like you that gave Trump the win.

[Methais]

When you start labeling average everyday people as extremists you make yourself one by pushing yourself away from the normal middle ground.

You and people like you and time4twatbutter do this on a regular basis. The fact that you seem to be oblivious to this is astounding, though not surprising since most of what you people do consist of standing around sniffing your own farts.


And before you go believing "OMG PB SAID I WAS A TRENDY HIPSTER! I'M SO THRILLED!!!!", no... that's not what I'm saying.

:lol:

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https://discourse-cdn.freetls.fastly.net/boingboing/uploads/default/original/3X/6/0/60c581efa2f11c80bea43c8d32facc3017503bcf.gif


https://youtu.be/FqJxIOG30e0

[Neveragain]

People like you and time4fun are the absolute opposite of "average everyday people" with your political beliefs.

In before "I'm more average everyday people than anyone on these forums"

[~Rocktar~]

In before "I'm more average everyday people than anyone on these forums"

Stop trying to steal time4reality's schtick. You don't have enough degrees.

[Neveragain]

Stop trying to steal time4reality's schtick. You don't have enough degrees.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jLMTMK-mp7w

[~Rocktar~]

LOL

[Parkbandit]

In before "I'm more average everyday people than anyone on these forums"

She grew up average and has a PhD in Averageness, so I suppose she's probably the expert on the subject.

[Methais]

She grew up average and has a PhD in Averageness, so I suppose she's probably the expert on the subject.

She was also awarded the average person of the year award in 2004, just before Bush was reelected and taught a class on being average at MIT just before Bob started.

[Neveragain]

Putin on the Ritz>Taco>Tacos

[Latrinsorm]

on the topic of who is average, one of the nice things about being away from these forums for a bit was realizing that conservatives are extremely misrepresented here. i remember hoping a republican win would ease the petulance and being concerned when it didn't, but then i found that for most conservatives that petulance hadn't been there to start with. what a relief!

[Fortybox]

on the topic of who is average, one of the nice things about being away from these forums for a bit was realizing that conservatives are extremely misrepresented here. i remember hoping a republican win would ease the petulance and being concerned when it didn't, but then i found that for most conservatives that petulance hadn't been there to start with. what a relief!

You should take another long break.

[Savageheart]

on the topic of who is average, one of the nice things about being away from these forums for a bit was realizing that conservatives are extremely misrepresented here. i remember hoping a republican win would ease the petulance and being concerned when it didn't, but then i found that for most conservatives that petulance hadn't been there to start with. what a relief!

Folks here don't play to win they play to make someone lose. Perfectly reasonable once you accept that no one is here for reasonable discourse. You've got 4-6 with mostly cogent arguments at first pass, although they all go on tilt as soon as they have a perceived advantage in an argument. A few more basic shit posters on both sides and the folks who just want to watch the sub burn.

It's just the forum, I have very reasonable conversations with my friends who voted for Trump. Many of them (I grew up in Florida, the asshole of the eastern seaboard) still do, while accepting of lesser faults. Some closer to the middle or closer to whatever passes for Libertarian this year are less so.

I don't think you can have a reasonable debate without mutual respect, which is a rare bird on any web based platform.

[RichardCranium]

Sometimes I wonder where I'm perceived on the PC spectrum.

I'm assuming "watch it burn."

[Savageheart]

Sometimes I wonder where I'm perceived on the PC spectrum.

I'm assuming "watch it burn."

You have surprisingly potent points when you want to - my personal feeling is that most of the time you just enjoy the show though.

[RichardCranium]

You have surprisingly potent points when you want to - my personal feeling is that most of the time you just enjoy the show though.

Sounds about right. I never, ever, ever discuss politics in person and barely on the internet. It just isn't worth it most of the time.

[Methais]

on the topic of who is average, one of the nice things about being away from these forums for a bit was realizing that conservatives are extremely misrepresented here. i remember hoping a republican win would ease the petulance and being concerned when it didn't, but then i found that for most conservatives that petulance hadn't been there to start with. what a relief!

Shut up Daisy.

[Latrinsorm]

Shut up Daisy.asked and answered, hunty

[ClydeR]

According to the source:

The Comey interview left people in the room stunned — he told George things that he’s never said before.
Some described the experience as surreal. The question will be how to fit it all into a one-hour show.
Comey answered every question.
If anyone wonders if Comey will go there, he goes there.

More... (https://www.axios.com/preview-of-exclusive-abc-interview-with-james-comey-1523413777-c6002b59-9545-4329-9734-92ffcc70cfef.html)



Comey is trying to bait Trump into rage tweeting so that Comey make millions on his book. He should know that Trump is more disciplined than that.

[Androidpk]

He should know that Trump is more disciplined than that.

:lol:

[cwolff]

Man, I am working Sunday. Ill have to follow along by reading trumps Twitter feed

[ClydeR]

Comey is trying to bait Trump into rage tweeting so that Comey make millions on his book.



Mission accomplished?


Washington (CNN)President Donald Trump's allies are preparing an extensive campaign to fight back against James Comey's publicity tour, trying to undermine the credibility of the former FBI director by reviving the blistering Democratic criticism of him before he was fired nearly a year ago.

The battle plan against Comey, obtained by CNN, calls for branding the nation's former top law enforcement official as "Lyin' Comey" through a website, digital advertising and talking points to be sent to Republicans across the country before his memoir is released next week. The White House signed off on the plan, which is being overseen by the Republican National Committee.

More... (https://www.cnn.com/2018/04/12/politics/trump-comey-publicity-tour/index.html)

[Latrinsorm]

"preparing an extensive campaign"

"Lyin' Comey"

Maybe should have extended that one a little further if that's the best you could come up with, bros. Could have gone with "Commie Comey", "Big Shame James", "FBI Deflector Comey", I mean there's a lot of fertile ground here. "Lyin' Comey", give me a break.

[cwolff]

"preparing an extensive campaign"

"Lyin' Comey"

Maybe should have extended that one a little further if that's the best you could come up with, bros. Could have gone with "Commie Comey", "Big Shame James", "FBI Deflector Comey", I mean there's a lot of fertile ground here. "Lyin' Comey", give me a break.

It's started now. Hannity has Seb Gorka and Chaffetz on tonight. Defending the honor of Hillary Clinton I presume.

And trump is thinking this. Guess who appointed the special counsel that nailed Libby?


President Donald Trump is poised to pardon Scooter J. Libby, the former chief of staff to Vice President Dick Cheney, according to sources familiar with the president’s thinking.

Prediction from Malcolm Nance on Twitter:

#Trump pardoning Scottrr Libby tells you he has Dick Cheney whispering to him & stick a thumb in the eye of the FBI, CIA & Justice. Libby lied to FBI & outed a CIA Officer @ValeriePlame to cover up crimes. #ByeKelly new Chief of Staff #HiScooter

[ClydeR]

Cha-ching!




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[cwolff]

Cha-ching!

Trump is so predictable. For foreign intelligence, hes the gift that keeps on giving.

[time4fun]

Cha-ching!




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Wait- when did Wrathbringer get a job at the Office of the Press Secretary?

[Wrathbringer]

Wait- when did Wrathbringer get a job at the Office of the Press Secretary?

You're retarded. And not in a funny way.

[Androidpk]

Sad to see Comey being attack by the left and the right.

[Ashliana]

Wait- when did Wrathbringer get a job at the Office of the Press Secretary?You're retarded. And not in a funny way.

https://i.imgur.com/3XOZBE9.png

[~Rocktar~]

Sad to see Comey being attack by the left and the right.

Well, if he wasn't such a transparently money grubbing scumbag shill who protected Hillary and was dishonest with a FISA judge then perhaps people would not dislike him so much.

[time4fun]

Well, if he wasn't such a transparently money grubbing scumbag shill who protected Hillary and was dishonest with a FISA judge then perhaps people would not dislike him so much.

You don't fact check anything, do you?

[Androidpk]

Well, if he wasn't such a transparently money grubbing scumbag shill who protected Hillary and was dishonest with a FISA judge then perhaps people would not dislike him so much.

How did he protect Hillary? You mean when he had his press conference where he humiliated her? Or when he announced he was re-opening her investigation? And when was he dishonest with a FISA judge? Comey was and is still highly respected within the FBI, the intelligence community and DC itself.

[~Rocktar~]

You don't fact check anything, do you?

Generally more than you.


How did he protect Hillary? You mean when he had his press conference where he humiliated her? Or when he announced he was re-opening her investigation?

Protection of Hillary -
Did not raid Hillary's lawyer. Check
Allowed Hillary to destroy evidence under subpoena in an ongoing investigation. Check.
Gave the famous "intent" press conference where he exonerated her for crimes she clearly and obviously committed. Check.
Was found to have composed memos exonerating Hillary long before the investigation was even well under way. Check.

The rest was him trying to cover his bases and stay out of prison after it became clear that Trump might win.


And when was he dishonest with a FISA judge? Comey was and is still highly respected within the FBI, the intelligence community and DC itself.

Based on the evidence to date, he and his second in collusion used the so called "Russian dossier" to get the warrant along with corroborating "evidence" of news reports that were based on the exact dossier. Did not disclose that the dossier was financed in part or in whole by the Hillary campaign/DNC as opposition research.

As to his "respect" well imagine that, if you are good at lying and putting things over on people and you pull off such a huge coverup, a group of people who are good at lying and putting things over on people would respect you. BTW, argumentum ad populum or arguing to the masses is no real argument.

But you knew all this, or should because it has been put out before, but you are willfully stupid.

[Androidpk]

Oh how little you know, Rocktar. Unsurprising given your support for Alex Jones.

[time4fun]

Generally more than you.

.


Neat.

So what have I said that was factually incorrectly lately?

Oh, here's what Fact Checking looks like:

FISA Warrant: (https://www.factcheck.org/2018/02/qa-nunes-memo/)
Carter Page was already under suspicion of being a Russian asset after he was recruited by Russian spies in 2013, and his FISA warrant was renewed at least 2 times. You can only renew FISA warrants if you have found *new* evidence from the previous 90 days of the warrant that demonstrate probable cause. So the warrant was...well, warranted.

Additionally, there was nothing improper about including the dossier in the 80-90 page FISA application. It was clearly marked as coming from a political actor (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795), and the political actor was someone who had a sterling reputation with the FBI. Finally, Federal Judges don't grant warrants based on media reporting or a single third party dossier. If the application were actually improper, the warrant wouldn't have been granted.

Did not raid Hillary's lawyer. Check

There was no evidence that her lawyer was involved in criminal activity. If you had watched the news today, you'd know that Cohen has been under criminal investigation for months, and this wasn't the first warrant- they've been reading his emails for months. (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/michael-cohen-seeking-block-probe-records-seized-fbi-article-1.3931963) And the warrants were granted based on his own personal business dealings, not his work as an attorney. In fact, he was barely doing any legal work. (And there were no emails from the original warrants involving communication with Trump). Being a President's lawyer doesn't grant you permanent criminal immunity. And, as per my earlier comment, the warrant wouldn't have been approved without significant evidence.


Allowed Hillary to destroy evidence under subpoena in an ongoing investigation. Check.

This has been fact checked over (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-final-2016-presidential-debate/fact-check-trumps-claim-clinton-destroyed-emails-after-getting-a-subpoena-from-congress/?utm_term=.ee8a498a72e2) and over and over (https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/reality-check-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-emails/index.html)again. If what you were saying were true- The FBI would not have concluded that there was no evidence Clinton engaged in obstruction of justice.

Gave the famous "intent" press conference where he exonerated her for crimes she clearly and obviously committed. Check.

First- intent is a critical component of law. You have heard of mens rea I assume? Note: mens rea is not a new concept. Also the laws in question *expressly* indicated that there had to be intent to hide information, hurt the US, etc. There was no evidence that Clinton attempted to obstruct Justice or had a private email server because she was looking to do something bad. i.e. There was zero evidence of any criminal intent. (https://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/james-comey-clinton-criminal-intent-225235) You not *liking* that intent was a critical component of the legal questions doesn't mean it wasn't.


Was found to have composed memos exonerating Hillary long before the investigation was even well under way. Check

The interview with the subject is the final step in the investigation. This investigation went on for over a year, and Comey started drafting early versions of the statement in May. They made the public announcement on July 5th. The report would have needed to have been done prior to July 5th- likely quite a bit before so it could be reviewed. So what this comes down to is that after looking at over a year's worth of evidence he knew that they didn't really have what they would have needed for an indictment, and he didn't expect that the interview was going to significantly change things given how much else they had already seen. So yeah, he started the report a few weeks early. It's not an AP Bio assignment- it kind of takes a while. There's no reason to suspect that if the interview had uncovered something, he wouldn't have immediately scrapped the memo.



Sorry- what was that about you fact checking more often than I do?

[time4fun]

Oh how little you know, Rocktar. Unsurprising given your support for Alex Jones.

He always thinks he knows so much, but nothing he says is ever accurate. It's baffling.

[Wrathbringer]

Oh how little you know, Rocktar. Unsurprising given your support for Alex Jones.

lol like you know anything

[Wrathbringer]

Neat.

So what have I said that was factually incorrectly lately?

Oh, here's what Fact Checking looks like:

FISA Warrant: (https://www.factcheck.org/2018/02/qa-nunes-memo/)
Carter Page was already under suspicion of being a Russian asset after he was recruited by Russian spies in 2013, and his FISA warrant was renewed at least 2 times. You can only renew FISA warrants if you have found *new* evidence from the previous 90 days of the warrant that demonstrate probable cause. So the warrant was...well, warranted.

Additionally, there was nothing improper about including the dossier in the 80-90 page FISA application. It was clearly marked as coming from a political actor (https://www.politico.com/story/2018/02/05/fbi-footnote-carter-page-warrant-390795), and the political actor was someone who had a sterling reputation with the FBI. Finally, Federal Judges don't grant warrants based on media reporting or a single third party dossier. If the application were actually improper, the warrant wouldn't have been granted.

Did not raid Hillary's lawyer. Check

There was no evidence that her lawyer was involved in criminal activity. If you had watched the news today, you'd know that Cohen has been under criminal investigation for months, and this wasn't the first warrant- they've been reading his emails for months. (http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/manhattan/michael-cohen-seeking-block-probe-records-seized-fbi-article-1.3931963) And the warrants were granted based on his own personal business dealings, not his work as an attorney. In fact, he was barely doing any legal work. (And there were no emails from the original warrants involving communication with Trump). Being a President's lawyer doesn't grant you permanent criminal immunity. And, as per my earlier comment, the warrant wouldn't have been approved without significant evidence.


Allowed Hillary to destroy evidence under subpoena in an ongoing investigation. Check.

This has been fact checked over (https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2016/live-updates/general-election/real-time-fact-checking-and-analysis-of-the-final-2016-presidential-debate/fact-check-trumps-claim-clinton-destroyed-emails-after-getting-a-subpoena-from-congress/?utm_term=.ee8a498a72e2) and over and over (https://www.cnn.com/2016/10/04/politics/reality-check-donald-trump-hillary-clinton-emails/index.html)again. If what you were saying were true- The FBI would not have concluded that there was no evidence Clinton engaged in obstruction of justice.

Gave the famous "intent" press conference where he exonerated her for crimes she clearly and obviously committed. Check.

First- intent is a critical component of law. You have heard of mens rea I assume? Note: mens rea is not a new concept. Also the laws in question *expressly* indicated that there had to be intent to hide information, hurt the US, etc. There was no evidence that Clinton attempted to obstruct Justice or had a private email server because she was looking to do something bad. i.e. There was zero evidence of any criminal intent. (https://www.politico.com/blogs/james-comey-testimony/2016/07/james-comey-clinton-criminal-intent-225235) You not *liking* that intent was a critical component of the legal questions doesn't mean it wasn't.


Was found to have composed memos exonerating Hillary long before the investigation was even well under way. Check

The interview with the subject is the final step in the investigation. This investigation went on for over a year, and Comey started drafting early versions of the statement in May. They made the public announcement on July 5th. The report would have needed to have been done prior to July 5th- likely quite a bit before so it could be reviewed. So what this comes down to is that after looking at over a year's worth of evidence he knew that they didn't really have what they would have needed for an indictment, and he didn't expect that the interview was going to significantly change things given how much else they had already seen. So yeah, he started the report a few weeks early. It's not an AP Bio assignment- it kind of takes a while. There's no reason to suspect that if the interview had uncovered something, he wouldn't have immediately scrapped the memo.



Sorry- what was that about you fact checking more often than I do?

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[cwolff]

He always thinks he knows so much, but nothing he says is ever accurate. It's baffling.

It's absolutely insane. Watching people live like this is almost horrifying but the psychology is fascinating.

[time4fun]

It goes to show how crazy the human mind can be. They consume information from these extraordinarily biased sources that have explicit partisan goals, and then when you provide them with information from nonpartisan sources and fact checking sites...instead of turning around and saying "HEY- my news sources have been giving me twisted versions of really important issues"- they decide that it's all of the other news sources in the world that are biased. And that you can't trust Fact Checking sites.

:rofl:

[cwolff]

It goes to show how crazy the human mind can be. They consume information from these extraordinarily biased sources that have explicit partisan goals, and then when you provide them with information from nonpartisan sources and fact checking sites...instead of turning around and saying "HEY- my news sources have been giving me twisted versions of really important issues"- they decide that it's all of the other news sources in the world that are biased. And that you can't trust Fact Checking sites.

:rofl:

There's a word for that. What the hell is it ... cognitive dissonance and the backfire effect. We get to witness it here.

Anyone watching CNN?

CNN Anchor: But the investigation is being led by republicans

Trump guy: The republicans are some of the worst obstructionists and anti trump. This is a battle between the swamp and the people.

Other guy: (laughs) Well, that's why squids squirt ink (everyone laughs)

[Androidpk]

Trump and his people ARE the swamp.

[time4fun]

Yeah I saw that.

These people are ripping us apart and weakening us to protect some genuinely bad people.

[cwolff]

Yeah I saw that.

These people are ripping us apart and weakening us to protect some genuinely bad people.

That's the thing that's been on my mind since the transition. We're so freakin' vulnerable with his piss poor organization he's running out of the White House.

[cwolff]

@nycsouthpaw

A true thing seems to be that McCabe and Comey thought it was a mortal lock that Clinton was going to win, didn’t see the harm in coloring outside the lines at her expense, and lost their careers to the man who profited most from their misconduct.

I bet this tweet is right. They fucked up. Don't get me wrong. I support them in this thing against trump, but they do seem to have fucked up on their end too.

[Latrinsorm]

The rest was him trying to cover his bases and stay out of prison after it became clear that Trump might win.What a rich fantasy life you lead.

[Androidpk]

I bet this tweet is right. They fucked up. Don't get me wrong. I support them in this thing against trump, but they do seem to have fucked up on their end too.

No opinion on McCabe but I don't think Comey fucked up in anyway.

[cwolff]

No opinion on McCabe but I don't think Comey fucked up in anyway.

It seems like it to me. I've not read his book of course but he can't clearly articulate why he pulled that press conference about Hillary right before the election or why he didn't have the guts to stand up to trump on the spot. I think many many people will get burned before this is all done. Trump won't go with grace and dignity. Comey and McCabe will be complicated historical footnotes.

[time4fun]

No opinion on McCabe but I don't think Comey fucked up in anyway.

You and I will always disagree on this particular point- he shouldn't have made a public announcement the way he did. Nor should he have done that when he knew the other campaign was under investigation for something far more serious. (few things are more serious than treason) Nor should he have publicly opened things back up right before the election.

But I do think- in his mind- he was doing the right thing. His intentions were good, and I think it's really fair to say that no matter what he did he was going to be heavily criticized. The second he walked up in front of those cameras, he knew his career was likely over. Both sides were going to hate him.


And none of that makes it okay to fire someone overseeing a serious Federal investigation into you and your campaign.

[Fortybox]

You and I will always disagree on this particular point- he shouldn't have made a public announcement the way he did. Nor should he have done that when he knew the other campaign was under investigation for something far more serious. (few things are more serious than treason) Nor should he have publicly opened things back up right before the election.

But I do think- in his mind- he was doing the right thing. His intentions were good, and I think it's really fair to say that no matter what he did he was going to be heavily criticized. The second he walked up in front of those cameras, he knew his career was likely over. Both sides were going to hate him.


And none of that makes it okay to fire someone overseeing a serious Federal investigation into you and your campaign.

My daughter pointed to your avatar and asked if you were a troll.

I said yes.

[cwolff]

My daughter pointed to your avatar and asked if you were a troll.

I said yes.

I hope that's just a bad joke

[Androidpk]

You and I will always disagree on this particular point- he shouldn't have made a public announcement the way he did. Nor should he have done that when he knew the other campaign was under investigation for something far more serious. (few things are more serious than treason) Nor should he have publicly opened things back up right before the election.

But I do think- in his mind- he was doing the right thing. His intentions were good, and I think it's really fair to say that no matter what he did he was going to be heavily criticized. The second he walked up in front of those cameras, he knew his career was likely over. Both sides were going to hate him.


And none of that makes it okay to fire someone overseeing a serious Federal investigation into you and your campaign.

He had that briefing because his hand was forced. Lynch never should have met with Bill Clinton. It was reckless and entirely inappropriate. If Comey had simply ended the criminal investigation without any explanation the optics would have been disastrous. As for reopening the case, again, I don't blame him. Chaffetz and Giuliani were leaking the information and Comey was obligated to inform Congress. Besides, the investigation would have been dead in the water if not for Huma Abedin sending work emails to that personal laptop and then her hubby sending sexts to that underage girl. For anyone to put any blame on Comey is comical IMO.

[time4fun]

I hope that's just a bad joke

He has a creepy obsession with me- he has for some time. I doubt it was a joke.

[Fortybox]

I hope that's just a bad joke

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[Some Rogue]

I hope that's just a bad joke

He's the new Wrathbringer. His posts are basically gifs and calling people retarded. Probably worth ignoring too.

[time4fun]

He's the new Wrathbringer. His posts are basically gifs and calling people retarded. Probably worth ignoring too.

It's weird. He's this odd wannabe troll. He tries so hard to talk like them and act like them, but it always just comes across as weird and socially awkward.

I prefer my trolls a little more experienced and with natural talent.

[cwolff]

I just don't like to think of the little girl being lied to by her father because of stupid PC forum stuff. It strikes me as a line that shouldn't be crossed.

[Parkbandit]

You and I will always disagree on this particular point- he shouldn't have made a public announcement the way he did. Nor should he have done that when he knew the other campaign was under investigation for something far more serious. (few things are more serious than treason) Nor should he have publicly opened things back up right before the election.

But I do think- in his mind- he was doing the right thing. His intentions were good, and I think it's really fair to say that no matter what he did he was going to be heavily criticized. The second he walked up in front of those cameras, he knew his career was likely over. Both sides were going to hate him.

And none of that makes it okay to fire someone overseeing a serious Federal investigation into you and your campaign.

According to excerpts from his book, he was looking at the election polling data and thought he had to put the email scandal behind her once and for all. She could take a couple points from the polls.. it was necessary to restore the American people's faith in their soon to be new President and close the page on this scandal.

He was being a good soldier for the progressive cause.

[Methais]

My daughter pointed to your avatar and asked if you were a troll.

I said yes.

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[Fortybox]

https://i.imgflip.com/28dmgu.jpg

Hahahahahahahaha

[Parkbandit]

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Holy shit. That is spot fucking on.

Someone needs to make that their avatar. I would, but I already have an awesome one.

[RichardCranium]

Shut the fuck up Necro.

[Parkbandit]

You freaks need to leave time4fun alone. Brutally honest, she actually says things and backs them up with clear points and source. Methhead, Wrathshit, PB are just pure toxic trolls, shame on you all.

Says the troll that has the record for being banned on this forum. How utterly sad your miserable life must be to keep begging to be on a forum where the entire community has said gtfo. This is what you've been reduced to.. creating new accounts and new IPs.. just to pretend you aren't so disliked... but it's crystal clear who you are from the moment you first post.

You simply can't hide that much retardation.

Bye again, dumb bitch.

[time4fun]

You freaks need to leave time4fun alone. Brutally honest, she actually says things and backs them up with clear points and source. Methhead, Wrathshit, PB are just pure toxic trolls, shame on you all.

Seems accurate to me. I'll quote myself as an objective corroborating source.

I am brutally honest
I do back things up with sources
And the people listed are toxic trolls

[RichardCranium]

You're corroborating the biggest troll on this site.

[Wrathbringer]

Seems accurate to me. I'll quote myself as an objective corroborating source.

I am brutally butthurt
I do back retarded things up with retarded sources
And the people listed are normal people

fixed

[Methais]

You freaks need to leave time4fun alone. Brutally honest, she actually says things and backs them up with clear points and source. Methhead, Wrathshit, PB are just pure toxic trolls, shame on you all.

Who wants to take bets on how long before Kranar wrecks this account?

[Methais]

Seems accurate to me. I'll quote myself as an objective corroborating source.

I am brutally honest
I do back things up with sources
And the people listed are toxic trolls

Let’s remind ourselves that this is the same person who is quoted as saying Back is not an idiot.

Isn’t that right sweetie?

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