Ruth Bader Ginsburg died

[Viekn]

One is being put the death for a heinous crime, usually murder. The other is being put to death for simply existing.

But yes they're totally the same.

I think the point is that most pro life advocates argue simply that an unborn child is a human life and the sanctity of human life should be protected. In which case said person should also be against the death penalty, which anecdotally I believe isn't generally the case, which negates their pro life anti-abortion argument. In which case the stance becomes: some human life should be protected and others shouldn't. Now you've opened the door to the fact that not all lives are equal when it comes to the life we have been given and someone else can now judge whether that life should be protected or not. But any human judge is bound to be flawed, because we are human. So do we want to then allow for a flawed individual deciding what lives are worth protecting and which aren't? I'd argue that we apply the logic equally across the board: Either abortions are allowed and so is the death penalty, or abortions are outlawed and so is the death penalty.

I do not argue the point because I am not in favor of babies having the opportunity to live their lives. I argue the point because I think logical arguments should be used universally, not selectively. I am very much in favor of all babies having the opportunity of a life. But until we find a way to make adoptions not cost tens of thousands of dollars, provide completely free healthcare for pregnant mothers who may not want their child, provide completely free and easy universal access to whatever contraception a woman wants to use, we have no business trying to argue the point whether abortions should be legal or illegal. If overnight abortion became outlawed in the US, do you think that would stop all abortions in our society from happening overnight? Absolutely not, people will find ways. So instead of both sides being idiotic and fighting to have things 100% their way, if they would get their shit together and accept compromises, many more babies could have the opportunity for life in a much shorter amount of time than what's being done now.

Sorry for the semi-rant, but when there's something as important as a life involved and people can't see past their own ideals in order for true progress to happen, it just burns my bacon.

[Tgo01]

the sanctity of human life should be protected.

That's not me. My position is the sanctity of innocent human life should be protected.

I've always found this counterargument to pro-life people to be bizarre, even when I was pro-abortion myself.

"Oh so you think innocent babies in the womb should be protected huh? I bet you think Hitler deserved to live too!"

[Parkbandit]

I think the point is that most pro life advocates argue simply that an unborn child is a human life and the sanctity of human life should be protected. In which case said person should also be against the death penalty, which anecdotally I believe isn't generally the case, which negates their pro life anti-abortion argument. In which case the stance becomes: some human life should be protected and others shouldn't. Now you've opened the door to the fact that not all lives are equal when it comes to the life we have been given and someone else can now judge whether that life should be protected or not. But any human judge is bound to be flawed, because we are human. So do we want to then allow for a flawed individual deciding what lives are worth protecting and which aren't? I'd argue that we apply the logic equally across the board: Either abortions are allowed and so is the death penalty, or abortions are outlawed and so is the death penalty.

I do not argue the point because I am not in favor of babies having the opportunity to live their lives. I argue the point because I think logical arguments should be used universally, not selectively. I am very much in favor of all babies having the opportunity of a life. But until we find a way to make adoptions not cost tens of thousands of dollars, provide completely free healthcare for pregnant mothers who may not want their child, provide completely free and easy universal access to whatever contraception a woman wants to use, we have no business trying to argue the point whether abortions should be legal or illegal. If overnight abortion became outlawed in the US, do you think that would stop all abortions in our society from happening overnight? Absolutely not, people will find ways. So instead of both sides being idiotic and fighting to have things 100% their way, if they would get their shit together and accept compromises, many more babies could have the opportunity for life in a much shorter amount of time than what's being done now.

Sorry for the semi-rant, but when there's something as important as a life involved and people can't see past their own ideals in order for true progress to happen, it just burns my bacon.

I think there is a definite distinction between life and innocent life. While I'm pro-choice up to a certain point.. I can understand the stance of Pro-life people who are also for the death penalty.

[drauz]

That's not me. My position is the sanctity of innocent human life should be protected.

I've always found this counterargument to pro-life people to be bizarre, even when I was pro-abortion myself.

"Oh so you think innocent babies in the womb should be protected huh? I bet you think Hitler deserved to live too!"

No innocent people have ever been executed in our court system.... Oh wait...

[Methais]

No innocent people have ever been executed in our court system.... Oh wait...

That's only because Kamala Harris couldn't cover up that guy's evidence that proved him innocent any longer.

[Tgo01]

No innocent people have ever been executed in our court system.... Oh wait...

The other odd argument; since our justice system isn't 100% perfect then we shouldn't try at all. No prison for anybody! An innocent person might be sent to prison!

[Solkern]

If life is considered at conception, and that zygote is considered a human life, I’m assuming this unborn child has right? Or do they only get rights once they are born? Would a pregnant mother and her husband be able to claim this unborn child as a dependent, for let’s say tax purposes? Can we get this unborn child a social security number, etc?

When it comes to child birth/abortion, I always think of 2pac. “Since a man can’t make one, he has no right to tell a women when and where to create one.”

[drauz]

The other odd argument; since our justice system isn't 100% perfect then we shouldn't try at all. No prison for anybody! An innocent person might be sent to prison!

Nice strawman you got there. You can let someone out of prison if they are found innocent and give them money to try and compensate. You cannot however unkill someone. We've been trying for a long time with no results.

Nice try though.

[Viekn]

The other odd argument; since our justice system isn't 100% perfect then we shouldn't try at all. No prison for anybody! An innocent person might be sent to prison!

Am I the only one here that would like to see penal colonies on remote islands come back in to an option? Why spend all of our tax dollars to put someone to death. Send them to an island that's minimally equipped for survival and let them either have a chance at life...or not.

[Parkbandit]

If life is considered at conception, and that zygote is considered a human life, I’m assuming this unborn child has right? Or do they only get rights once they are born? Would a pregnant mother and her husband be able to claim this unborn child as a dependent, for let’s say tax purposes? Can we get this unborn child a social security number, etc?

When it comes to child birth/abortion, I always think of 2pac. “Since a man can’t make one, he has no right to tell a women when and where to create one.”

When you post this type of stupidity.. all I can see is this..