You do you realize that the Hart-Celler Act (Immigration and Naturalization Act) amended that 1952 bill to outlaw the use of national origin as a determining factor of immigration, right?
When someone says something as vague as "If you just read this 1952 bill, it'll be obvious"- it means that person hasn't actually read it, wouldn't understand it anyway, and needs to stop getting their news from junk news sites.
The amount of time you people run around calling people stupid could've actually been used to learn something at some point in time.
Last edited by time4fun; 02-07-2017 at 06:54 PM.
Would you care to make a wager about SCOTUS upholding in favor of the Trump Administration? I doubt you read either act.. but it's clear you didn't understand them.
A President has broad power in issuing a temporary ban from any country he/she (lol.. not Hillary though!) feels threatens the safety and well being of the country.
I would not be surprised that this very liberal Circuit will vote in favor of going against the President.. but then again, they have been overturned more than any other Circuit in the country..
Let's make the wager that you have to use the avatar of my choosing for the entire month of March if you lose and vica versa if I lose.
Last edited by Parkbandit; 02-07-2017 at 07:13 PM.
The object of life is not to be on the side of the majority, but to escape finding oneself in the ranks of the insane. ~ Marcus Aurelius“It's a beautiful thing, the destruction of words.”
― George Orwell, 1984
“The urge to shout filthy words at the top of his voice was as strong as ever.”
― George Orwell, 1984
9th Circuit is definitely not thrilled with the Trump administration's legal arguments. I missed a big chunk of the early arguments, but it looks like the takeaways are:
9th Circuit skeptical of the argument that Trump's campaign statements don't have bearing in this case, skeptical that there's any evidence that it's a necessary action for security, skeptical that this isn't just a Muslim ban, and skeptical that there's enough information for them to make an actual decision right now. (Good chance they refuse to stay the injunction and push back to the lower Court).
9th Circuit was also skeptical, on the other hand, of the interpretation of the '65 amendment as being relevant to this situation. Also some concern about standing (though not nearly as much as I had thought there would be) and due deference to the Executive.
So it's by no means a slam dunk for either side, but it's almost unthinkable that they'll stay the injunction at this point. The Trump Administration's lawyers just didn't make a compelling argument as to why the injunction is more damaging than a stay would be.
Last edited by time4fun; 02-07-2017 at 07:19 PM.
This case is being decided on legal merits- mostly dry procedural stuff- it's not being decided on Congressional vote. The election outcome couldn't have anything less to do with this except insofar as no other President would dare write up such a shoddy and dangerous EO.
Trump overstepped his bounds on this one. We are a nation of laws which he does not have the authority to overrule. Now please stop giving ISIS recruiting fodder because you don't understand geopolitics.
Last edited by time4fun; 02-07-2017 at 08:23 PM.
I wonder if Democrats realize how highly insulting it is to Muslims to insist a Muslim is always mere inches away from becoming a terrorist.
Imagine if there was some sort of radical feminist terrorist group that blew up people and buildings and raged war across the world and took prisoners and chopped off people's hands and forced people to become sex slaves, then some man stands up and says "We can't do <insert cause here> because if we do we'll turn more women into radical feminists who murder small children!"
Last edited by Tgo01; 02-07-2017 at 09:01 PM.