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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    …? Talking and negotiating are two completely different things.

    With Germany, there was no negotiation whatsoever. It was total unconditional surrender. The allies refused any form of negotiation.

    With Japan, if you want to call them begging for one symbolic thing to remain, negotiating… that’s up to you.
    Negotiation literally just means talking and working towards an agreement.

    Allies: Surrender now or we will destroy your country.
    Germany and Japan: Okay.

    There you go. They negotiated. Just because Germany and Japan didn't get anything they wanted doesn't mean diplomacy wasn't used. Germany and Japan could have just as easily have said "No, we will fight to the last man."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    …? Talking and negotiating are two completely different things.

    With Germany, there was no negotiation whatsoever. It was total unconditional surrender. The allies refused any form of negotiation.

    With Japan, if you want to call them begging for one symbolic thing to remain, negotiating… that’s up to you.
    There was intense negotiation on what to do with Germany and much of Eastern Europe after the war, despite Germany not having a voice in the matter. That Iron Curtain divided the continent between the Soviet Union on one side and the rest of the Allies on the other.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    There was intense negotiation on what to do with Germany and much of Eastern Europe after the war, despite Germany not having a voice in the matter. That Iron Curtain divided the continent between the Soviet Union on one side and the rest of the Allies on the other.
    You’re right, and I’ve never stated otherwise, but that still doesn’t change the fact that they did not negotiate with Germany whatsoever.

    Multiple people here are trying to claim the allies negotiated with Germany. They did not. Germany had confirmed this and so had the allies. Not sure why this is even being debated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tgo01 View Post
    Negotiation literally just means talking and working towards an agreement.

    Allies: Surrender now or we will destroy your country.
    Germany and Japan: Okay.

    There you go. They negotiated. Just because Germany and Japan didn't get anything they wanted doesn't mean diplomacy wasn't used. Germany and Japan could have just as easily have said "No, we will fight to the last man."
    No, it doesn’t. I don’t think you’re really understand? They did not negotiate with Germany whatsoever. They had zero discussions with Germany.

    Germany said they did not negotiate the allies said they did not negotiate. But here you are saying that everyone else is wrong but you’re right. lol?

    A negotiation is a process in which two or more parties with differing interests, needs, or goals communicate and bargain with each other to reach a mutually acceptable agreement.

    This is the definition of negotiation, it did not happen.

    What you described was an ultimatum.
    While an ultimatum can appear within a negotiation, but it is not a negotiation in itself. Here’s why:
    Negotiation is about dialogue, exchange, and exploring options.

    An ultimatum is more of a one-sided demand: “Do this, or else…” It leaves little to no room for discussion.

    If they were in discussions when the allies issued an ultimatum as you described, you would be correct.

    But they were not.
    Last edited by Solkern; 09-01-2025 at 02:51 AM.
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    Bros, this is Ukraine we are talking about. Solkern knows more than anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    I don’t think you’re really understand?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppa Hobbit Mage View Post
    Bros, this is Ukraine we are talking about. Solkern knows more than anyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    Multiple people here are trying to claim the allies negotiated with Germany.
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    What was the result of the bilateral Trump/Putin Alaska summit?

    Trump reversed his presummit position that Russia must agree to a ceasefire or face immediate sanctions. Trump's presummit demands were replaced with -- what was the replacement? -- nothing. Trump dropped all demands.

    Putin made no concessions and significantly increased his aerial attacks on Ukraine.

    Did I get any part of that wrong?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    You’re right, and I’ve never stated otherwise, but that still doesn’t change the fact that they did not negotiate with Germany whatsoever.

    Multiple people here are trying to claim the allies negotiated with Germany. They did not. Germany had confirmed this and so had the allies. Not sure why this is even being debated.
    Except Vance never said WW2 ended with Germany negotiating. It did end in negotiations though. We had to figure out what to do with Germany (and Eastern Europe) as the American & Western Allies had very different plans than the Soviet Union.

    The bombs dropped in Hiroshima & Nagasaki were equally as much of a show of force deterrence against the Soviet Union as it was about ending the war on Japan quickly. As I posted before, the war nearly continued with the West vs Soviet Union. Instead of that happening, we negotiated to say which lands would remain under Soviet influence & occupation and what territory would be occupied & influenced by the United States & the West.

    WW2 absolutely ended in negotiation. See Potsdam agreement. See Marshall Plan.
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