Terrorists break into US Capitol Building

[Parkbandit]

Defending a person's Constitutionally garunted rights is different than defending a person. You guys play dumb but I know you know that.

I didn't realize that our Constitution "garunted" rights to non-citizens.

At least you sounded it out... you tried your best.

What I don't understand

No one is shocked by this.. about any subject.

is why you get so apeshit angry when the truth about felon Trump and the Jan 6 insurrectionists comes up.

Because it's just "your" truth. Your narrative. Your spin.

And by your, I don't actually mean yours.. since you haven't had an intelligent thought ever. You just repeat what you are told to repeat.

A smooth brain dead bot.

[Parkbandit]

Yeah not cool with assassination in general certainly not US citizens without due process. Not cool with blanket immunity for anyone really. Be my guest take him to court. After the American court take him to the ICC.

It won't change the fact that felon and sexual predator Trump pardoned all the people who assaulted police officers and broke into the capital to stop the counting of a free and fair election of the United States.

The only reason Trump wasn't convicted was because he won the election. He shouldn't have even been able to run in my opinion.

Lawfare failed. We're not a banana republic.

And you claiming he shouldn't have been able to run is exactly what I am talking about.

[Parkbandit]

That's very sweet of you but I have to disabuse you of the notion that Democrat leadership brainwashes constituency. Democratic constituency informs democratic leadership. Democratic leadership works for the constituency for the most part. That's not to say that there aren't Democrats in Congress who are beholden to the corporations, lobbyists, and special interests. That's a government-wide problem that needs to be addressed.

I think the clear definition between opposing views in this country really is more about the right wing media sphere that has grown over the past 20 years. It is completely unregulated and full of misinformation. It is a barrage of constant bullshit meant to keep everyone guessing as to what is true and what isn't. It's being done on purpose to divide us the American people because if we unite we could close tax loopholes on the rich and help the poor, sick, and needy.

Literally brain washed.

So clean.

So smooth.

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

I never defended violence against women or anyone for that matter.

Maybe because absolutely no one advocates for violence against women?

Just gonna leave this cognitive dissonance right here.

[Back]

I didn't realize that our Constitution "garunted" rights to non-citizens.

At least you sounded it out... you tried your best.



No one is shocked by this.. about any subject.



Because it's just "your" truth. Your narrative. Your spin.

And by your, I don't actually mean yours.. since you haven't had an intelligent thought ever. You just repeat what you are told to repeat.

A smooth brain dead bot.

I have to disagree with you. There are not individual truths. There is only one. We don't get to pick and choose what is true and what isn't. You can believe what you want but if you choose not to believe the truth you're going to be on the outside of reality. This is a basic understanding mankind has had for centuries.

I just saw an interesting speech about this the other day. Except in the speech the man was speaking about morals. As a society we have, or had at one point, a shared structure of morals. We still do for the most part but right now there is a belief that individuals can pick and choose their morals. And while that's true the morals are still there whether people choose to view them or not.

He used a line from Abraham Lincoln that said if slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.

As a civilization, keyword civil, we have to understand that together we must support each other's rights, share a common moral structure, and share a common truth in order to be successful.

The truth about January 6th cannot be argued away by saying some people don't believe this or that. What we have found as a society is that Trump gathered these people together on the day of the certification of the election, riled them up with lies about a rigged election, and sent them to the capital to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Those who were caught on camera were given due process in a court of law before a judge, a jury of their peers, and God and found to be guilty of crimes such as assaulting police officers to name a few.

There is no way around that truth.

[Suppressed Poet]

I have to disagree with you. There are not individual truths. There is only one. We don't get to pick and choose what is true and what isn't. You can believe what you want but if you choose not to believe the truth you're going to be on the outside of reality. This is a basic understanding mankind has had for centuries.

I just saw an interesting speech about this the other day. Except in the speech the man was speaking about morals. As a society we have, or had at one point, a shared structure of morals. We still do for the most part but right now there is a belief that individuals can pick and choose their morals. And while that's true the morals are still there whether people choose to view them or not.

He used a line from Abraham Lincoln that said if slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.

As a civilization, keyword civil, we have to understand that together we must support each other's rights, share a common moral structure, and share a common truth in order to be successful.

The truth about January 6th cannot be argued away by saying some people don't believe this or that. What we have found as a society is that Trump gathered these people together on the day of the certification of the election, riled them up with lies about a rigged election, and sent them to the capital to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Those who were caught on camera were given due process in a court of law before a judge, a jury of their peers, and God and found to be guilty of crimes such as assaulting police officers to name a few.

There is no way around that truth.

Truth is subjective and is influenced by one’s beliefs, values, and experiences. Facts are verifiable, objective, and can be proven true or false.

Let’s look at the facts of January 6th. What specifically did Trump say or do that incited the crowd to violence? You have been asked this question several times by PB and others, but you seem unable to present any facts that support your claim. “Fight like hell” isn’t enough and doesn’t meet the legal standard of inciting a riot or committing any crime.

[Back]

Sure there's subjective truth, like for you vanilla maybe your favorite ice cream flavor but it's not for someone else, and then there's objective truth where we all agree that ice cream is yummy and delicious. Okay okay that's subjective too but we can all agree that ice cream is cold.

So let's use your example of facts being right or wrong in saying that objective truth is the same thing.

The objective truth about the insurrectionists who assaulted police officers and broke into the nation's capital to disrupt the counting of a free and fair election is indisputable if not only for the video evidence. We saw them do it. It's not debatable or subjective.

The special attorney's investigation outlines Trump's crime as conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding. This has not been settled in court however. If we were to say conclusively that it was objectively true or factual we would need to see it play out in court in front of a judge, jury, and God and all creation. In America at the peak of civilization this is the best way we have to determine objective truth that we can all agree on.

To me the evidence is clear, evidence that I watched with my own eyes, that it is a fact that Trump conspired to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power and used lies to support that even when he knew otherwise.

[Tgo01]

Sure there's subjective truth, like for you vanilla maybe your favorite ice cream flavor but it's not for someone else, and then there's objective truth where we all agree that ice cream is yummy and delicious. Okay okay that's subjective too but we can all agree that ice cream is cold.

So let's use your example of facts being right or wrong in saying that objective truth is the same thing.

The objective truth about the insurrectionists who assaulted police officers and broke into the nation's capital to disrupt the counting of a free and fair election is indisputable if not only for the video evidence. We saw them do it. It's not debatable or subjective.

The special attorney's investigation outlines Trump's crime as conspiring to obstruct an official proceeding. This has not been settled in court however. If we were to say conclusively that it was objectively true or factual we would need to see it play out in court in front of a judge, jury, and God and all creation. In America at the peak of civilization this is the best way we have to determine objective truth that we can all agree on.

To me the evidence is clear, evidence that I watched with my own eyes, that it is a fact that Trump conspired to interfere with the peaceful transfer of power and used lies to support that even when he knew otherwise.

Just remember, Back: if a Democrat politician offers you some kool-aid, DON'T drink it!

[Suppa Hobbit Mage]

broke into the nation's capital to disrupt the counting of a free and fair election is indisputable if not only for the video evidence. We saw them do it. It's not debatable or subjective.

I saw video of officers opening the door and letting demonstrators in. Indisputable video evidence, as you like to call it.

Now how are you going to word salad your way out of that?

[Parkbandit]

I have to disagree with you. There are not individual truths. There is only one. We don't get to pick and choose what is true and what isn't. You can believe what you want but if you choose not to believe the truth you're going to be on the outside of reality. This is a basic understanding mankind has had for centuries.

Your party has coined the phrase "my truth" when the real truth isn't convenient.

Maybe check with MSNBC before pretending to be normal.

I just saw an interesting speech about this the other day. Except in the speech the man was speaking about morals. As a society we have, or had at one point, a shared structure of morals. We still do for the most part but right now there is a belief that individuals can pick and choose their morals. And while that's true the morals are still there whether people choose to view them or not.

He used a line from Abraham Lincoln that said if slavery is not wrong, nothing is wrong.

As a civilization, keyword civil, we have to understand that together we must support each other's rights, share a common moral structure, and share a common truth in order to be successful.

The Democrats have been on the wrong side of almost every issue.. slavery.. women's rights.. civil rights... defunding police... socialism...

And when history comes back against them.. they pretend that the Republicans were the ones that were for slavery.. that the Republicans were against women's rights... that the Republicans wanted to defund the police...

You don't have any footing to pretend you hold some moral high ground. You've never been on that ground. Ever.

The truth about January 6th cannot be argued away by saying some people don't believe this or that. What we have found as a society is that Trump gathered these people together on the day of the certification of the election, riled them up with lies about a rigged election, and sent them to the capital to disrupt the peaceful transfer of power. Those who were caught on camera were given due process in a court of law before a judge, a jury of their peers, and God and found to be guilty of crimes such as assaulting police officers to name a few.

There is no way around that truth.

The truth about 1/6 is that people entered the Capitol. That isn't in question.

The "truth" lies in everything else. I'm still waiting for a specific quote in full context you claimed Trump made that "incited" this event.

We have protests in Washington DC ALL.THE.TIME. Tens of thousands of people every year. Hundreds of thousands of people many years.

How were we so ill prepared for the 2500-3000 people that "breached" security and entered into the Capitol? Don't you find that weird and strange?

We have video of these people being escorted throughout the building.. having the doors opened for them... why did we do that if they were not welcome?

Why did we have dozens of FBI informants in the crowd that day? What was their role in all of this?

Why did the Biden Administration pardon everyone on the "fact finding" committee for January 6th?

Sometimes you have to turn off MSNBC and question events.. even if they hurt your fee fees just a little.

You've bought into everything the state run media has spoon fed you like a toddler.

Someday it will be time to grow up and question.