Tyranny of the ATF

[Suppressed Poet]

Just in case anyone needs even more evidence that the ATF is a tyrannical rogue federal agency that should be abolished:

ATF accused of altering DEI official's job title to skirt Trump ban
https://news3lv.com/news/nation-worl...and-explosives

[Parkbandit]

Just in case anyone needs even more evidence that the ATF is a tyrannical rogue federal agency that should be abolished:

ATF accused of altering DEI official's job title to skirt Trump ban
https://news3lv.com/news/nation-worl...and-explosives

I hope whoever's idea that was is also shit canned.

[Gelston]

Just in case anyone needs even more evidence that the ATF is a tyrannical rogue federal agency that should be abolished:

ATF accused of altering DEI official's job title to skirt Trump ban
https://news3lv.com/news/nation-worl...and-explosives

I'm jsut unsure if she was hired prior to that and they promoted her to it within or if she was hired directly into that. If the former, I don't see the issue.

[Suppressed Poet]

I'm jsut unsure if she was hired prior to that and they promoted her to it within or if she was hired directly into that. If the former, I don't see the issue.

Her title was changed from chief diversity officer to senior executive just after Trump ordered all federal DEI staff be immediately placed on administrative leave. You think that’s just a mere coincidence?

I say Trump should fire her ass immediately along with anyone else identified that had a part in this insubordination, but at minimum Congress should investigate & subpoena Ms. Boykin & other ATF leaders to testify.

[Gelston]

Her title was changed from chief diversity officer to senior executive just after Trump ordered all federal DEI staff be immediately placed on administrative leave. You think that’s just a mere coincidence?

I say Trump should fire her ass immediately along with anyone else identified that had a part in this insubordination, but at minimum Congress should investigate & subpoena Ms. Boykin & other ATF leaders to testify.

Yes, I understand that, because the position was eliminated. If she was an employee prior to the position being created and promoted/moved into the position, and then the position was eliminated so she was move out of it, it makes sense. This is different than if she was hired into the agency purely to fill that position.

They created the position because the prior administration told them to. They got rid of it because this administration told them to.

[~Rocktar~]

Just in case anyone needs even more evidence that the ATF is a tyrannical rogue federal agency that should be abolished:

ATF accused of altering DEI official's job title to skirt Trump ban
https://news3lv.com/news/nation-worl...and-explosives

In reality, every single top level official there that can be fired should be fired. Every one, without fail. They have knowingly and willingly violated the law, danced around semantics to avoid following the law and court orders and made every excuse in the book. They all need to go.

[Suppressed Poet]

Yes, I understand that, because the position was eliminated. If she was an employee prior to the position being created and promoted/moved into the position, and then the position was eliminated so she was move out of it, it makes sense. This is different than if she was hired into the agency purely to fill that position.

They created the position because the prior administration told them to. They got rid of it because this administration told them to.

So we’re on the same page, you are saying that it’s likely the agency just created another position (either before or after Trump assumed office & gave the DEI order) and hired this lady into that role after announcing that DEI staff positions be ordered on administrative leave? I find that both unlikely and problematic. So the agency just suddenly found themselves in need of a separate senior leadership position, created the requisition, interviewed multiple candidates, found that their former chief diversity officer was the best qualified person for this new role, hired her into the position, and then changed her title after Trump gave the DEI order? I smell bullshit.

The most obvious assessment is the agency simply changed her job title to protect her from administrative leave. I suspect that she is still performing the same DEI functions she was previously hired to do. Again though, Trump’s team can quickly find out internally to eliminate any doubt or Congress could publicly investigate & compel her and others to testify. I’m good with either.

[Suppressed Poet]

In reality, every single top level official there that can be fired should be fired. Every one, without fail. They have knowingly and willingly violated the law, danced around semantics to avoid following the law and court orders and made every excuse in the book. They all need to go.

I advocate for both the repeal of the NFA and abolishment of the ATF.

If the ATF were chiefly focused on making sure firearms were not in the hands of dangerous criminals I’d be all for it. Instead they choose to harass and prosecute otherwise law abiding citizens on stupid rules they frequently change based upon their current interpretation of the NFA and existing law. They have a well documented history of not being transparent with the public, unnecessary and extreme measures of enforcement that result in death & destruction, not abiding to court orders, and that’s only scratching the surface. The entire agency is beyond reform.

[~Rocktar~]

I advocate for both the repeal of the NFA and abolishment of the ATF.

If the ATF were chiefly focused on making sure firearms were not in the hands of dangerous criminals I’d be all for it. Instead they choose to harass and prosecute otherwise law abiding citizens on stupid rules they frequently change based upon their current interpretation of the NFA and existing law. They have a well documented history of not being transparent with the public, unnecessary and extreme measures of enforcement that result in death & destruction, not abiding to court orders, and that’s only scratching the surface. The entire agency is beyond reform.

I could agree with that. Add repeal of the Gun Control Act, The Brady Act and PLCAA and Child Safety Lock Act among others. Scrap the whole mess. I don't even know what they do with the Tobacco and Alcohol part other than enforce tax stamps. That is easily done with other departments.

[Gelston]

So we’re on the same page, you are saying that it’s likely the agency just created another position (either before or after Trump assumed office & gave the DEI order) and hired this lady into that role after announcing that DEI staff positions be ordered on administrative leave? I find that both unlikely and problematic. So the agency just suddenly found themselves in need of a separate senior leadership position, created the requisition, interviewed multiple candidates, found that their former chief diversity officer was the best qualified person for this new role, hired her into the position, and then changed her title after Trump gave the DEI order? I smell bullshit.

The most obvious assessment is the agency simply changed her job title to protect her from administrative leave. I suspect that she is still performing the same DEI functions she was previously hired to do. Again though, Trump’s team can quickly find out internally to eliminate any doubt or Congress could publicly investigate & compel her and others to testify. I’m good with either.

I'm not saying the did or didn't I don't know and you don't know. My question is on if the woman ALREADY WORKED at the ATF BEFORE the DEI position was created. If so, then I have no problem with her being moved back to her old job.

I think it would be completely shitty to fire a woman from a job that she has been at for 10 or 20 years because she had to fill a position that was mandated by the prior admin. If she was simply hired in specifically for that position, then no, she shouldn't get any special treatment.