Day One

[Gelston]

I won’t disagree that added language would not help clarify, but that was not even a thought in 1791. The arms the people possessed were the same technology level as the military.

But I digress…respectfully, answer my question about if you believe the author(s) of the 14th amendment intended for those protections to apply to the children of foreign nationals that entered our country illegally of their own free will.

I believe I've already made it clear that they wrote the Amendment a specific way, yes.

[Methais]

Yes, that is an exact and concise statement of what the Trump administration will argue.

Most, if not all, states have laws that require all parents, including those here illegally, to send their children to school. If they don't, the government can force the children to attend school. Both the parent and the child can face legal consequences for truancy. The children are subject to the jurisdiction of the U.S. That is true regardless of whether or not the child is born in the U.S. Being born in the U.S., though, affects citizenship.

A diplomat, on the other hand, is a different matter. As we all know from Law and Order, diplomats and their children are not subject to U.S. criminal laws. If a diplomat or the diplomat's child commits a crime in the U.S., they will have to be prosecuted, if at all, in their home country.

Trump violated his oath -- on the same day he swore it -- by signing an executive order that he knew was unconstitutional. A normal person who did that would feel shame.

You talking shit about how literally anyone else on the planet should feel shame is funny as fuck, because just look at you.

[Suppressed Poet]

I believe I've already made it clear that they wrote the Amendment a specific way, yes.

Ok, fair enough. I’m skeptical that was their intent, but it’s hard to overcome it written as “all persons”.

Appreciate the dialogue & your insights. I’ll let this go now.

[~Rocktar~]

This was an interesting tidbit.

[Gelston]

This was an interesting tidbit.

Then he should have written the Amendment to include that.

[~Rocktar~]

Then he should have written the Amendment to include that.

English was different back then and people weren't nearly as fucking retarded.

[Gelston]

English was different back then and people weren't nearly as fucking retarded.

Funny, they were awfully specific and concise in the other sections about who was and wasn't included. Did they just decide to not be in the section concerning citizenship for no reason at all?

Or perhaps it is because that was his opinion, but he wasn't the only one authoring it. He might not have wanted that, but perhaps the majority did.

[Alfster]

He called them “presidential memorandum” which is simply EO by another name. When you include those, the number is much higher.

Your attempts to rewrite history for your narrative have failed.

As you attempt to rewrite constitutional amendment based on what you feel the authors actually meant.

Both of you are heavily showing your ignorance.

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[Tgo01]

As you attempt to rewrite constitutional amendment based on what you feel the authors actually meant.

Both of you are heavily showing your ignorance.

That's literally what the courts do.

[Suppressed Poet]

As you attempt to rewrite constitutional amendment based on what you feel the authors actually meant.

Both of you are heavily showing your ignorance.

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The judicial branch has the final say to interpret the Constitution. Legal challenges happen on both sides of the political spectrum. SCOTUS believes it is important to consider the language and meaning at the time it was written, and that makes sense to me. My guess is Trump’s take on birth right citizenship and jurisdiction will not be interpreted favorably for him by SCOTUS, but it’s also not absurd to question if the 14th amendment (which was very obviously intended for emancipated slaves & their children) was ever intended to be applied to illegal aliens & their children in the way it does today.

Also…nice to hear from you again.