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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    Harris repeatedly lied as well. The one that most comes to mind immediately is that she never supported the abolishment of private health care. There are videos of her saying that is her position. As Senator she coauthored the Medicare for all Bill.

    She has also previously said she supports a mandatory buyback of assault weapons (a fancy Dem word for gun confiscation) and now denies that or avoids the question.

    She wants to abolish fracking and that has been her position until just recently.

    She has claimed to seek decriminalization for illegally crossing our border (a fancy Dem term for supporting open borders).

    I can go on and on. ABC never pressed nor corrected Kamala Harris.
    LINSEY DAVIS: Vice President Harris, in 2017 you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run health care system. Two years later you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. What is your plan today?

    VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, first of all, I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president private health care options. But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act. But I, I'll get to that, linsey. I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. I've made very clear my position on fracking. And then this business about taking everyone's guns away. Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand. When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. 60 times. I was a senator at the time. When, I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being – uh, you don't like him, you said at the time because he got caught, he was an American hero. The late great John McCain, I will never forget that night. Walked onto the Senate floor and said no, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have no plan. And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions. I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like? Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes? And thankfully, as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you the American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate dr, drug prices. He never did. We did. And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month. Since I've been vice president we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year. And when I am president we will do that for all people understanding that the value I bring to this is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it, (in audible) in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.




    She never once said what you claimed, according to the transcripts of the debate.

    Regarding your other things, changing your stance, isn’t lying. Are you not allowed to change positions on something? Trump has changed his position quite often and that’s ok. Harris went into detail before on why she changed her position on the topics you’ve mentioned.
    Last edited by Solkern; 09-11-2024 at 12:01 PM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    The Constitution is not the Declaration of Independence. (I'm not at all surprised that you don't know this)
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    "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government." ~ The Constitution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Suppressed Poet View Post
    Right so eating ducks in a park, is the same as going into people’s home, and stealing their cats and dogs and eating them, is that what you are saying?

    Someone going through a public trash can looking for food is far different than going into someone’s home and stealing their food.

    I’m not saying what they’re doing is right it’s fucking horrible, But it’s not anywhere near to what Trump claimed during the debate.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    The Constitution is not the Declaration of Independence. (I'm not at all surprised that you don't know this)
    An hour later:
    Quote Originally Posted by Neveragain View Post
    "That to secure these rights, governments are instituted among men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, that whenever any form of government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government." ~ The Constitution

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    I’m confused on what this 3 vs 1 claim is based on?

    Was it because Trump was fact checked a total of THREE times in an almost 2 hour debate?
    1. Illegals are stealing peoples cats and dogs and eating them.
    2. Laws allowing an abortion after a baby is born?
    3. An abortion ban being wanted by 89% of all the people including Democrats.

    Those are ridiculous, outlandish claims and outright bullshit lies.


    Please quote one, just one completely crazy outlandish lie that Harris made, that is just complete utter bullshit, that is on the same level on anything they fact checked him on.

    I mean, she wants to do gender changing surgery on illegal immigrants in prison? Where the hell does he get this shit?
    He just spews absolute nonsense.
    The moderators corrected Trump.

    The moderators did not correct Harris.

    Harris said that "Trump said it would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected" This has been debunked.. Trump was referring to the economy, specifically the auto industry.

    Harris said that "Trump and his Project 2025" a number of times. This has been debunked.. Trump has zero to do with Project 2025 and has said repeatedly that he hasn't even read it, much less endorses it.

    Harris said "Trump said there are very fine people on both sides" referring to the Charlottsville riot. This bas been debunked as it was taken out of context.

    Those are the 3 I remember off the top of my head... but hey, you continue to keep your head squarely up Biden's ass and pretend it was an unbiased moderation job by ABC news.

    Normal people can see it wasn't.
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    Besides, Republicans also block abstinence and contraceptives anyway.
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    Regulating firearms to keep them out of the hands of criminals, the unhinged, etc. meets the first test of the 2nd amendment, 'well-regulated'.

    Quote Originally Posted by SHAFT View Post
    You show me a video of me typing that and Ill admit it. (This was the excuse he came up with when he was called out for a really stupid post)
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    3 million more popular votes. I'd say the numbers speak for themselves. Gerrymandering won for Trump.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    The moderators corrected Trump.

    The moderators did not correct Harris.

    Harris said that "Trump said it would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected" This has been debunked.. Trump was referring to the economy, specifically the auto industry.

    Harris said that "Trump and his Project 2025" a number of times. This has been debunked.. Trump has zero to do with Project 2025 and has said repeatedly that he hasn't even read it, much less endorses it.

    Harris said "Trump said there are very fine people on both sides" referring to the Charlottsville riot. This bas been debunked as it was taken out of context.

    Those are the 3 I remember off the top of my head... but hey, you continue to keep your head squarely up Biden's ass and pretend it was an unbiased moderation job by ABC news.

    Normal people can see it wasn't.
    "Donald Trump left us the worst unemployment since the Great Depression."

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    Right so eating ducks in a park, is the same as going into people’s home, and stealing their cats and dogs and eating them, is that what you are saying?

    Someone going through a public trash can looking for food is far different than going into someone’s home and stealing their food.

    I’m not saying what they’re doing is right it’s fucking horrible, But it’s not anywhere near to what Trump claimed during the debate.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    LINSEY DAVIS: Vice President Harris, in 2017 you supported Bernie Sanders' proposal to do away with private insurance and create a government-run health care system. Two years later you proposed a plan that included a private insurance option. What is your plan today?

    VICE PRESIDENT KAMALA HARRIS: Well, first of all, I absolutely support and over the last four years as vice president private health care options. But what we need to do is maintain and grow the Affordable Care Act. But I, I'll get to that, linsey. I just need to respond to a previous point that the former president has made. I've made very clear my position on fracking. And then this business about taking everyone's guns away. Tim Walz and I are both gun owners. We're not taking anybody's guns away. So stop with the continuous lying about this stuff. As it relates to the Affordable Care Act, understand, just look at the history to know where people stand. When Donald Trump was president, 60 times he tried to get rid of the Affordable Care Act. 60 times. I was a senator at the time. When, I will never forget the early morning hours when it was up for a vote in the United States Senate and the late great John McCain, who you have disparaged as being – uh, you don't like him, you said at the time because he got caught, he was an American hero. The late great John McCain, I will never forget that night. Walked onto the Senate floor and said no, you don't. No, you don't. No, you don't get rid of the Affordable Care Act. You have no plan. And what the Affordable Care Act has done is eliminate the ability of insurance companies to deny people with pre-existing conditions. I don't have to tell the people watching tonight, you remember what that was like? Remember when an insurance company could deny if a child had asthma, if someone was a breast cancer survivor, if a grandparent had diabetes? And thankfully, as I've been vice president and we over the last four years have strengthened the Affordable Care Act, we have allowed for the first time Medicare to negotiate drug prices on behalf of you the American people. Donald Trump said he was going to allow Medicare to negotiate dr, drug prices. He never did. We did. And now we have capped the cost of insulin at $35 a month. Since I've been vice president we have capped the cost of prescription medication for seniors at $2,000 a year. And when I am president we will do that for all people understanding that the value I bring to this is that access to health care should be a right and not just a privilege of those who can afford it. And the plan has to be to strengthen the Affordable Care Act, not get rid of it, (in audible) in terms of where Donald Trump stands on that.




    She never once said what you claimed, according to the transcripts of the debate.

    Regarding your other things, changing your stance, isn’t lying. Are you not allowed to change positions on something? Trump has changed his position quite often and that’s ok. Harris went into detail before on why she changed her position on the topics you’ve mentioned.
    She hasn’t changed her stance. I believe her when she said her values have not changed. I also believe Bernie when he recently said she is lying to get elected. A vote for Kamala is a vote for socialism: killing domestic fossil fuel industry, gun confiscation, nationalization of healthcare, high taxes, endless government spending, and open borders

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    I mean, she wants to do gender changing surgery on illegal immigrants in prison? Where the hell does he get this shit?
    He just spews absolute nonsense.
    https://www.the-independent.com/news...-b2610323.html

    Harris’s answers on the form by the American Civil Liberties Union indicate that she once backed funding cuts to Immigration and Customs Enforcement and supported taxes being used to fund gender transition surgeries for federal prisoners and detained immigrants. The now-vice president also backed federally decriminalizing drug possession for personal use, and she pledged to “end” immigration detention.
    You can think what you want, but she clearly does believe in these things - even if she says she doesn't now. Trump wasn't wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Parkbandit View Post
    Harris said that "Trump said it would be a bloodbath if he is not re-elected" This has been debunked.. Trump was referring to the economy, specifically the auto industry.

    Harris said that "Trump and his Project 2025" a number of times. This has been debunked.. Trump has zero to do with Project 2025 and has said repeatedly that he hasn't even read it, much less endorses it.

    Harris said "Trump said there are very fine people on both sides" referring to the Charlottsville riot. This bas been debunked as it was taken out of context.

    Project 2025. Trump spoke at the Heritage Foundation and praised their plans, saying it would be a blueprint for his next administration. J.D. Vance wrote the foreword for the Project 2025 book. If a journalist is going to fact check somebody, they'll need more than a self-serving statement, especially when that statement flies in the face of all available evidence.



    Bloodbath. Regarding the "bloodbath" comment, there was no opportunity to correct anything, because Trump interrupted the moderator who was about to say something to Harris about what she had just said. We'll never know what the moderator would have said. Trump is probably right about the bloodbath comment, but since it was part of the "weave," who can be sure?

    ...And be clear on that point. Donald Trump the candidate has said in this election there will be a bloodbath, if this -- and the outcome of this election is not to his liking. Let's turn the page on this. Let's not go back. Let's chart a course for the future and not go backwards to the past.

    DAVID MUIR: Let me just follow up here--

    FORMER PRESIDENT DONALD TRUMP: I have said blood bash, bath. It was a different term, and it was a term that related to energy, because they have destroyed our energy business. That was where bloodbath was.

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    Very Fine People, on Both Sides. Trump addressed Charlottesville in the same interruption as the bloodbath comments. Even so, there would have been nothing to correct on that point. Trump said it. It was not taken out of context.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ClydeR View Post
    Even so, there would have been nothing to correct on that point. Trump said it. It was not taken out of context.
    You're such a fucking rat.

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    I don’t think ClydeR knows what taken out of context means…

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