Things that made you laugh today (Political Version)

[Methais]

How can we lower the cost of daycare?

Vance: Make your grandparents watch the kids! Make it so a 6 year education isn’t needed!

Great policy… this dude is an idiot.

Who do you think is better suited to watching someone's kids? The kid's family? Or a bunch of random fat chicks?

First of all, in Russia, grandparents do in fact, take care of the kids, so I guess Vance supports us becoming like Russia?

Is this really the logic you're going with?

What do you think about Putin endorsing Kamala? That happened today.

[Solkern]

Who do you think is better suited to watching someone's kids? The kid's family? Or a bunch of random fat chicks?



Is this really the logic you're going with?

What do you think about Putin endorsing Kamala? That happened today.

I think qualified people should watch children. But because she’s my wife’s mother, all of a sudden she’s more qualified? I sure as hell don’t trust my mother in law to watch my kid.

So you think having your grandparents watch the kids is the best policy going forward to lowering the cost of daycare, are you sure about that? Because the question wasn’t about who is watching, the question was lowering the cost of daycare.

Nice try, at trying to change the topic though.

[Suppressed Poet]

First of all, in Russia, grandparents do in fact, take care of the kids, so I guess Vance supports us becoming like Russia?
Next, no states require 6 years of college education, to work in a day care. Finally, saying grandparents need to watch their grandkids, isn’t an answer to how can we lower the cost of daycare.

Also in Russia, parents get 4-6 months of paid leave after having a kid.

Politics aside, it seems to be a uniquely western culture thing to isolate grandparents to a retirement home or elsewhere. In that way I think the United States could be culturally more like Russia or other countries that involve grandparents in raising children & the home life.

The Soviet Union required an advanced higher education to be a daycare worker & the program involved political indoctrination. Just saying… I think a solution that doesn’t involve young child daycare is best when available, but I recognize not everyone has that option.

Paid work leave for expecting mothers is something I think we can find bipartisan support for. My employer offers that as do many. We need more babies in this country and both parties seem open and willing to incentivize for that.

[Suppressed Poet]

I think qualified people should watch children. But because she’s my wife’s mother, all of a sudden she’s more qualified? I sure as hell don’t trust my mother in law to watch my kid.

So you think having your grandparents watch the kids is the best policy going forward to lowering the cost of daycare, are you sure about that? Because the question wasn’t about who is watching, the question was lowering the cost of daycare.

Nice try, at trying to change the topic though.

I can’t speak to your mother-in-law’s qualifications, but I can say with near absolute certainty the she cares about the general wellbeing of your child more than any hired daycare worker would. It’s human nature for people to love their own family.

The cost of daycare is high because there is high demand. If demand were lowered, like having more people choose to have their grandparents watch over their children while the parents work, the cost for daycare would decrease. Methais (and Vance) ain’t wrong.

[Tgo01]

Next, no states require 6 years of college education, to work in a day care.

Just looked up California because I was curious:

Director:
Must have one of the following:

12 core semester units in early childhood education/development, three semester units in administration or staff relations, and four years of teaching experience in a supervised group childcare center
A degree in child development, three units administration, and two years teaching experience
BA degree in child development, three units administration, and one year teaching experience
Child development site supervisor permit or program director permit


Fully Qualified Teacher:
Must have one of the following:

12 core semester units in early childhood education/development, six months experience in a licensed childcare center or comparable group childcare program
Six completed semester units of early childhood education and enrolled in at least two semester units at a college until fully qualified


Aide:

Must be 18 years old
Six completed units of early childhood education
High school graduate or enrolled in an ROP at an accredited high school

And here are the ratios:

Infant ratios:

One teacher for four infants (1:4)
One fully qualified teacher and two aides for 12 infants (3:12)


Toddler ratios:

One teacher for six toddlers (1:6)
One fully qualified teacher and one aide for 12 toddlers (2:12)


Preschool ratios:

One teacher for 12 children (1:12)
One teacher and one aide for 15 children (2:15)
One fully qualified teacher and one aide for 18 children (2:18)


School-age ratios:

One teacher for 14 children (1:14)
One fully qualified teacher and one aide for 28 children (2:28)

So the director needs a lot of education and at least 1 teacher is required no matter what age children we are talking about here and the teacher requires a bit of education. The aides don't need as much education but some is still required.

I mean yeah, maybe he was exaggerating a tad if he said every worker needs 6 years of college to work at a daycare, but he wasn't too far off the mark.

Over regulation making things more expensive? Impossible! Not in 'Murica!

[Parkbandit]

How can we lower the cost of daycare?

Vance: Make your grandparents watch the kids! Make it so a 6 year education isn’t needed!

Great policy… this dude is an idiot.

Well.. we could get the government involved.. like they did with college loans.

That really dropped the price of a college education......................................... ...................

[Parkbandit]

I think qualified people should watch children. But because she’s my wife’s mother, all of a sudden she’s more qualified? I sure as hell don’t trust my mother in law to watch my kid.

So you think having your grandparents watch the kids is the best policy going forward to lowering the cost of daycare, are you sure about that? Because the question wasn’t about who is watching, the question was lowering the cost of daycare.

Nice try, at trying to change the topic though.

My wife decided to be a stay at home mother to raise our children.

Maybe you should quit and be a stay at home dad?

[Methais]

I think qualified people should watch children.

Mealy mouthed like usual.

But because she’s my wife’s mother, all of a sudden she’s more qualified? I sure as hell don’t trust my mother in law to watch my kid.

Anecdotal evidence is anecdotal. But let's apply it to the whole country anyway, right?

So you think having your grandparents watch the kids is the best policy going forward to lowering the cost of daycare, are you sure about that? Because the question wasn’t about who is watching, the question was lowering the cost of daycare.

Considering that, at least in the vast majority of normal families, emphasis on normal, grandparents would typically be more than happy to do this, for free even, because 99.9999% of grandparents love their grandchildren, which is 90094238423x more than some random daycare worker who's just collecting a paycheck does, and free is 100% less than the cost of daycare. Any daycare. Every daycare.

Because that's how normal families in general tend to operate, because families tend to love and care about their family members.

But sure, let's make the exception the rule, like in your case, and base everything around that and have the government raise them instead.

Nice try, at trying to change the topic though.

I didn't try to change anything. Grandparents watching their grandchildren for free costs 100% less than any and every daycare in existence. But you already knew that, you just can't stop being mealy mouthed.

Sorry if your wife's mom is a fucking retard, but that doesn't give you any grounds to decide that that's the rule instead of the exception.

[Solkern]

Politics aside, it seems to be a uniquely western culture thing to isolate grandparents to a retirement home or elsewhere. In that way I think the United States could be culturally more like Russia or other countries that involve grandparents in raising children & the home life.

The Soviet Union required an advanced higher education to be a daycare worker & the program involved political indoctrination. Just saying… I think a solution that doesn’t involve young child daycare is best when available, but I recognize not everyone has that option.

Paid work leave for expecting mothers is something I think we can find bipartisan support for. My employer offers that as do many. We need more babies in this country and both parties seem open and willing to incentivize for that.

I think you don’t understand why, grandparents watch the grandkids, it’s not by choice, it’s due to the economic aspect of it. Most Russians can’t afford their own homes, and property is passed down, they live together because they have no choice. The pension system in Russia is roughly $200 a month. It’s almost impossible for a Russian from any city to move to Moscow or SPB, where you can actually have a better future.

[Solkern]

I can’t speak to your mother-in-law’s qualifications, but I can say with near absolute certainty the she cares about the general wellbeing of your child more than any hired daycare worker would. It’s human nature for people to love their own family.

The cost of daycare is high because there is high demand. If demand were lowered, like having more people choose to have their grandparents watch over their children while the parents work, the cost for daycare would decrease. Methais (and Vance) ain’t wrong.

Caring for their wellbeing, while it’s very important, it’s not the only thing. Most grandparents aren’t physically fit to actually watch a toddler, most don’t even know what to do. It’s also human nature to care for other people.

Having your grandparents watch your toddler, doesn’t lower the price of daycare, the price stays the same.

Imagine your grandparents, want to go on holiday, get sick, imagine they have to go to the hospital, or don’t want to be a full time parent again, raising a kid, then what? Back to daycare, and guess what? Daycare still cost the same as it did before. Offsetting what you spend, doesn’t lower the price. Daycare is still going to cost the same.

Why are you putting YOUR responsibility on your parents? It’s YOUR kid, it’s YOUR job. If you parents want to help once in a while, that’s fine. But to expect them to take care of your kid long and often enough, is silly.


On top of that, now you are forcing your grandparents to follow you around, wherever your family goes for work, etc? Or you are going to limit yourself by having to stay close to where your parents live? Really?


You got a job offer in Dallas, your family lives in Austin, you met a girl, have a baby, now you are forcing your grandparents to completely move their entire lives and drop EVERYTHING, so they can come and live near you, just to watch your kid while you work?

This isn’t Russia dude.

Having your grandparents, watch your kids, isn’t a solution to lowering the price of daycare. It’s literally the stupidest thing ever.