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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    Leveraged him for what? The dude never even investigated his son, or the company when Hunter was there. You should get your facts straight.

    Or you can continue to bury your head in the sand and ignore facts, truth, and the timeline.

    Burisma was investigated from 2010-2012. Hunter joined in 2014, Shokin removed in 2016, with zero investigations after the initial one, or attempts to investigate.

    Next, I never said there weren’t bio labs in Ukraine, they just had nothing to do with Burisma, or the Biden family.
    So by your timeline, Company was going to be investigated and then Biden steps in to withhold 1 billion in aid(which trump was impeached for questioning) and then miraculously the 1 billion in aid went through and 2 years later Hunter gets a job at the same company and earned 1 million/year? and you dont understand how it was pay for play?


    Hunter Biden joined Burisma's board in April 2014 after Yanukovych and Zlochevskiy had fled the country. The state launched an investigation into the company that year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Methais View Post
    No, that was you harping about "armed conflicts" when I asked who the world was more peaceful overall under, which your entire answer was some weak screenshot of a google result to that didn't really say much of anything, and the actual numbers in the rulac.org link from said screenshot stopped after 2018 when I looked through it, which had you bothered to click or look at the actual site you would have seen this, all while you were trying to say that the world is more peaceful overall under Biden than it was under Trump:




    Keep clicking back in the quotes if more context is needed.

    But anyway, how many WARS did Trump start again? Because random "armed conflicts" in Nigeria or whatever isn't it.
    How many armed wars did Biden start? The answer is zero. Same with Trump.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    You’re right, that Molotov cocktail was responsible for 500+ deaths.

    Or the Tigray war, that Molotov cocktail has killed over 1500 people.

    Trump is 100% responsible for the Tigray war and all of those deaths. If he was a better leader and a stronger leader, they wouldn’t have gone to war. It’s his fault. His weak presidency is the reason. It couldn’t be any other reason. None at all. /end sarcasm


    But either way, you now have specific requirements? How many people need to die, before a president is to blame? Or who needs to be involved for the president to take the blame?

    The right consistently blames Biden for every little thing that goes wrong, fine, ok, expect the same treatment regarding Trump’s presidency.

    Serious question for you. Let’s do a what if. Let’s imagine Trump won a second term, and let’s imagine Putin invaded Ukraine under Trump, what would Trump have done differently than Biden?

    Don’t give the bullshit reply of “he wouldn’t have done” such horse shit.
    He literally wouldn't have though. Sorry if that upsets you and probably your friends whose feelings about the US are what you base your votes on.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anebriated View Post
    So by your timeline, Company was going to be investigated and then Biden steps in to withhold 1 billion in aid(which trump was impeached for questioning) and then miraculously the 1 billion in aid went through and 2 years later Hunter gets a job at the same company and earned 1 million/year? and you dont understand how it was pay for play?




    https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-to-f.../30272137.html
    Dude what? Shokin investigated the company before Biden joined
    The company was investigated from 2010 to 2012, Hunter joined in 2014.
    Regarding your investigation, do you even know what they were investigating in 2014? Let me help you:
    A Ukrainian investigation of gas company Burisma is focused solely on activity that took place before Hunter Biden, son of former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, was hired to sit on its board, Ukraine’s anti-corruption investigation agency said.
    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WC1LV


    Here’s the timeline for you.
    2010-2012 Shokin investigates the company
    2014 Hunter Biden joins the company
    2014 the Ukrainian government launches another investigation into the company for the years PRIOR to Hunter joining.

    The investigation into Burisma covers a period when Ukraine was governed by a Kremlin ally, Viktor Yanukovich. Burisma hired Hunter Biden after Yanukovich was toppled in a popular revolt in 2014 and replaced by a pro-Western government.

    2015 the investigation closes.
    2016 the U.S. government and it’s allies pressure the Ukrainian government to fire Shokin for not doing his job.


    So Biden firing Shokin for investigating his son and Burisma, is just a load of fucking bullshit.

    https://www.reuters.com/article/us-u...-idUSKBN1WC1LV

    Ukraine agency says allegations against Burisma cover period before Biden joined
    KIEV (Reuters) - A Ukrainian investigation of gas company Burisma is focused solely on activity that took place before Hunter Biden, son of former U.S. Vice President Joe Biden, was hired to sit on its board, Ukraine’s anti-corruption investigation agency said.


    Shokin NEVER investigated Burisma or Hunter EVER, and never put a request in to do so, or had any intentions. So Biden firing him to stop an investigation into the company and his son that didn’t even exist? lol?

    Those are the facts.

    Shokin was a Russian sympathizer, and stooge for the Russian government, and he refused to investigate other pro Russians for corruption in the government. That’s why he was removed. It has nothing to do with Biden or Burisma.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    At least you not finally understand how ridiculous your fabrications are and why Trump was a warmonger.
    Yeah Tgo, AT LEAST YOU NOT FINALLY UNDERSTAND!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Solkern View Post
    No, I don’t want him to be at fault because he’s not, just like Biden isn’t at fault for Russia invading Ukraine and what’s happening in Israel.

    Next Biden’s family isn’t “directly” invested in Ukraine, just like Trump isn’t “directly” invested in Russia.
    Biden’s son worked for a Ukrainian company, just like Jared has business dealings with the Middle East that are turning our backs on us, as you so like to put it, why aren’t you worried about that?




    Anebriated, let’s clear one thing up since you and republicans can’t seem to get your heads wrap around this.

    Biden wasn’t the one the to remove the Viktor Shokin, you really need to understand that. Biden was responsible for delivering the news/message/ultimatum or whatever you want to call it, but it wasn’t his decision, his call or his choice. He was following the orders he was given. You republicans like to think it was his call and his decision, when it wasn’t.

    Joe Biden leveraged aid to remove top prosecutor as part anti-corruption efforts

    It's true that Joe Biden leveraged $1 billion in aid to persuade Ukraine to oust its top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, in March 2016. But it wasn't because Shokin was investigating Burisma. It was because Shokin wasn't pursuing corruption among the country's politicians.

    It was a decision to leverage the aid by the American government and our European allies. It wasn’t just Biden.

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/5991434002/

    the International Monetary Fund — which threatened to delay $40 billion in aid for similar reasons — and others with the prosecutor's removal.

    the claim that Joe Biden threatened to withhold $1 billion from Ukraine to save his son's job is FALSE. The then-vice president leveraged aid dollars to persuade the country to oust its top prosecutor as part of anti-corruption efforts endorsed by other international players that were unrelated to his son, Hunter Biden.

    You should read about it.

    Read this one as well:
    https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/...or/3785620002/

    You might learn the facts of it, instead of spouting shit that is just not true. Like for example:

    Burisma Holdings was not under scrutiny at the time Joe Biden called for Shokin's ouster, according to the National Anti-Corruption Bureau of Ukraine, an independent agency set up in 2014 that has worked closely with the FBI.

    Shokin's office had investigated Burisma, but the probe focused on a period before Hunter Biden joined the company, according to the anti-corruption bureau. The investigation dealt with the Ministry of Ecology, which allegedly granted special permits to Burisma between 2010 and 2012, the agency said. Hunter Biden did not join the company until 2014.

    Facts do matter, a timeline is important. Shokin NEVER investigated Burisma when Hunter was there, or after he was there. He investigated the company two years before Hunter even arrived.

    Without pressure from Joe Biden, European diplomats, the International Monetary Fund and other international organizations, Shokin would not have been fired, said Daria Kaleniuk, co-founder and executive director of the Anti Corruption Action Centre in Kiev.

    "Civil society organizations in Ukraine were pressing for his resignation," Kaleniuk said, "but no one would have cared if there had not been voices from outside this country calling on him to go."

    The EU was threatening to withhold 40 billion dollars, FOURTY BILLION DOLLARS while Biden was threatening to withhold 1billion.




    Next,
    Trump was actively trying to pursue multiple business dealings in Russia for millions and millions of dollars, don’t you think it’s a little suspicious that the president of the United States had previous dealings in Russia, and was continuing to try to do more business dealings in Russia?

    Regarding the biolabs, do you even know where that story originated from? I bet you don’t, let me help you it came from RIA Novosti, Russian state-owned domestic news agency, Russia’s biggest propaganda machine. You seriously find that source credible? Even the Russians don’t believe it yet here you are believing it… lol? On top of that, it was proven to be false.

    You talk about Nazis there’s literally one small group of Nazis in Ukraine, we have more Nazis in America than Ukraine, and you have no problem, arming them and give me them guns? On top of that the President of Ukraine is a Jew.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Seran View Post
    Keep telling yourself those lies.
    Which specific lines from Shaps' post were lies?

    Let me guess, it's Trump's fault that Russia invaded Ukraine in 2014 too?

    Was it the part where retards like you said Trump was going to start WW3, and now you're mad that he didn't, while Biden is in the process of doing that right now?

    Stop being such a pinecone 24/7.
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    From your own link:

    Biden, now a Democratic presidential hopeful, has confirmed he wanted the prosecutor fired. But no evidence has emerged that the former vice president did so to help his son. The wider U.S. government, the European Union and other international institutions also wanted the prosecutor fired because of an alleged failure to pursue major corruption cases.

    Dec. 8, 2015: Biden visited Kiev again and spoke out against bureaucratic corruption that he said was eating Ukraine “like a cancer.” Biden threatened to withhold loan guarantees unless Ukraine’s top prosecutor, Viktor Shokin, who had been widely accused of corruption, was removed.

    Shokin had investigated Burisma but the probe was dormant at the time Biden pushed for the prosecutor’s termination, Bloomberg reported earlier this year, citing a former Ukrainian official.

    May 16, 2019: Bloomberg quotes Ukraine’s current top prosecutor as saying he had no evidence of wrongdoing by Hunter Biden or his father.
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    so the rest of the wrongdoings dont count?

    you're too smart to be this dumb.
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