Israel at War?

[Suppressed Poet]

One of his men is going to put him down like a rabid dog long before it comes to that, if his health issues don't finish him off soon. I'm not entirely sure about this faux-conciliatory mien you've adopted, but some of your colleagues are defiantly rooting for Russia to become the dominate world power with Ukraine being the first step. Are you also secretly pro-Putin like the rest of the ultraconservatives, or am I misunderstanding.

You are misunderstanding, as usual.

[Solkern]

This is the difference between civilized society and terrorist organizations.

Thank you for pointing this out.

[Guister]

You are full of shit. There has never been a time when there was NOT a Jewish state there. There was no "given" like you lying dumbass like to say, there was an official recognition of the Jewish state that was already there. And yet, when offered the same was offered to the Arabs, they turned it down. Educate yourself dumbass because you are coming across as a moronic, racist, Leftist prick.

F U C K O F F

Hey asshole. You sound like a fuckin' retard.

Here's a history lesson for your little girl brain:

Ancient Israel was a thing. Fast forward almost 2,000 years and now you have Israel "reclaiming" the land in the name of holocaust reparations. Unfortunately, as edicted by the British after WW1, 7 million palestinians were kicked out of their land (non-euphamism for displacement) and have been homeless or forced to live in little communities for 70+ years. Now, can you imagine why Hammas was eventually formed and why people in the area hate Israel? It is not antisemitic to say that it is fucked and notice that kicking people off their land for political gain and to further the United States (more hamburgers) is a messed up principal.

Now go drown your head in a toilet.

[Guister]

These SEA airlines don’t even have reclining seats!!

Here’s a little bit for you

From Dima Vorobiev, former propagandist for the USSR.

Ukraine was building churches in the 9th century. Russia was still mostly woods and very tribal. Ukraine had a King who's children married into the Romanoff line, the bloodline for that Ukrainian king still exists in Ukraine, the same cannot be said of the Romanoffs'

When did Ukraine become part of
Russia?
"When did Ukraine become part of Russia?"
In the strict sense of words, Ukraine has never been
"part of Russia."
It's complicated
In our books, in the mid-17th century, Ukraine
"joined" pre-imperial Russia. The thing is, at the time, it was considered a "union" headed by the House of Romanov.
The territories of what is now central Ukraine sought the protection of the Tsar in Moscow. But they enjoyed a degree of self-rule. Only over the next few decades were they stripped of the rest of their sovereignty and became as powerless as the ethnically Russian territories.

Confusing designations
Yet, even then, everyone accepted them being separate from the Russian heartland by keeping the designation of Maloróssiya ("Little Russia," or as the Greeks used to look at it, Mikod Pwoid,
"Beachhead Russia") as opposed to Velikorossiya ("Greater Russia," from Greek Mayáln 'Pwoia,
"Extended Russia").
We retained this beachhead meaning for "little" from seafaring Greeks in modern Russian. For example, one of the memoirs of Soviet ruler Leonid Brezhnev was titled "Little Land" (Malaya Zemlya).
It's about a beachhead created and defended by the Soviet army at the Black Sea in WW2. We had a solemn song about it ? with the line "Little Land is a great land."
No bearing on property rights
In other words, the House of Romanov considered them the same kind of property as Russia proper, the Baltics, White Russia, Turkic territories along the Volga River etc. And mind you, the Imperial state itself before 1917 was a property of the House of Romanov!
But doesn't the fact of being the property of the nominally "Russian" empire (our last Tsars were ethnically German) make Ukraine "Russian"?

Our side of the story

According to the consensus formed by the political class in Moscow, it does.
We ruled over them-"we" being aristocrats in the imperial government's service many decades ago who spoke Russian at home and called themselves Russians, right? Logically, the Ukrainians shouldn't object to us, some 140-million-strong nation of the 21st century, claiming Ukraine as "historically part of Russia". President Putin put forward a strong case for it in his seminal article from last year.
The Master's lens
However, the House of Romanov, a rightful master of both Russia and Ukraine, would strongly object to this. It would be absurd for them to accept that a bunch of their lowly commoners calling themselves a "nation" made a claim on the part of the Tzar's hard-earned property.


Kyiv (Capital of Ukraine) is 665 years older than
Moscow. "Kyiv" (Ukraine) was founded in 432 CE. in 1982 it was the 1,500th anniversary. Russia was founded in 1547. If you are talking about Modern Speaking, Ukraine was founded in 1918, and then later was annexed by the Soviet Union, and on August 24th, 1991 Ukraine got its independence, Russia got its independence in December of 1991, so Ukraine "Modernly speaking" is 4 months older than Russia. So to answer your question, Ukraine is older than Russia.

Does Russia have any historical claim to Ukraine besides when they were all in the USSR?
No, Russia ceased to exist after the Russian Revolution.
The USSR claimed that they were not a successor state to Russia to avoid having to repay debts. Any claim by Russia was therefore not transferred to the USSR.
Ukraine was a republic inside the Soviet Union.
Crimea was part of the Russian Republic before
Chrustjev had it transferred to Ukraine. According to international law, such transfers can only be protested for 50 years, which did not happen,
Since the Russian Federation is not a successor to pre-revolution Russia but to the Soviet Union they cannot refer to things happening before 1917.
So Russia does not have any valid claims to Ukraine.


https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kievan_Rus%27

Goes into details about Kievan Rus, aka Kyiv. Russia was a breakaway region from Ukraine.

Why is this fucker copying and pasting from wikipedia??

[Guister]

Interesting and thank you.

So they were treated a bit differently and such, but part of the Russian Empire. I get what you’re saying about USSR and the dissolution. I don’t know man…I get how Ukrainians see it but I also don’t think it’s completely false for Russia to think it should be part of their national territory since it had been for hundreds of years.

Thing is, Putin is definitely an enemy to the United States and I would love for Ukraine to win the war & cede no territory. I don’t think that is going to happen though by the numbers. Russia has the manpower & firepower (even if a lot of it is janky Soviet shit falling apart). The United States has no formal plan or policy for this war except throwing bad money & equipment at it. If we weren’t having inflation issues and massive deficit I’d wouldn’t be as concerned. Ukraine is not an NATO member (and for good reason). It is a national security risk the longer this war drags out with a possible WW3 situation, so other than keeping the war machines busy domestically it’s in our best interest to reach peace. Putin can’t afford to lose this war and is unchallenged domestically because he is keeping the right people in Moscow happy. They will take, at minimum, the Donetsk region.

I heard a UN official on the news say the following:

If Russia loses the war, nothing happens.

If Ukraine loses the war, there will be no Ukraine.

Realllly makes ya think.

[Guister]

I will say that almost every war has been fought because of bankers. Most recently its been central banking countries vs those who have not adopted the central banking system. Do with that information what you will.

How much weed have you smoked today?

[Guister]

When you stop to think about it, why are borders necessary?

[Anebriated]

How much weed have you smoked today?

None unfortunately, I know I have a drug test coming up in a couple months.

[Anebriated]

When you stop to think about it, why are borders necessary?

I think Israel and Ukraine would both say that they are necessary

[~Rocktar~]

Ancient Israel was a thing.

So I am right.

Fast forward almost 2,000 years and now you have Israel "reclaiming" the land in the name of holocaust reparations. Unfortunately, as edicted by the British after WW1, 7 million palestinians were kicked out of their land (non-euphamism for displacement) and have been homeless or forced to live in little communities for 70+ years. Now, can you imagine why Hammas was eventually formed and why people in the area hate Israel?

So, when given the choice by Britain at the time to have their own country on most of the same land so there was much less displacement, they chose no. When given the choice 6 times through history to have their own country, they have said no. This isn't a new thing. They hate Israel because they are Muslim and their idiot leaders, for as long as Islam has existed, has told them to hate Jews. Before Islam, as Arabs, they hated Jews because the Jews typically did better than them in the same areas. It's all anti-semitism from the word go. Racism at it's finest and every racist, Leftist apologist like yourself are just covering for it.

It went from "we hate those doing better than us" to "we hate Jews". And it continues today as a religious war because dumb people keep listening to evil Imams and other leaders telling them to hate because 'Allah said so.'

Now fuck off, you and your Leftist shills got played again by Iran, just like Obama did and just like after Obama did, you gave them cash and they funded terrorism. All the blood is on your hands. I hope when they bring their fundamentalist shit here in open war that you live long enough to see the horrors of your creation. Sadly, a lot of genuinely good people are going to die between now and then.