Tyranny of the ATF

[Parkbandit]

And for some unexplainable retard reason, Seran is arguing that since a business or church decide to post signage making it illegal to carry on their property that’s the same thing as the government mandating that the carry of a firearm in all of those places is prohibited.

Well, that regulation is spelled out in the 2nd Amendment when it says "Well-regulated".........

[Realk]

I could be incorrect but I've always thought it was state mandated that you couldn't carry into a place that had the 51% 49% sign. IE; going into a bar with a gun. Once again though signs dont stop people from doing dumb shit.

[Suppressed Poet]

I could be incorrect but I've always thought it was state mandated that you couldn't carry into a place that had the 51% 49% sign. IE; going into a bar with a gun. Once again though signs dont stop people from doing dumb shit.

You are correct.

Personally I think that’s dumb as well for the reason you mentioned. It’s already illegal to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol while in possession of a firearm, which is a good law. It’s also annoying that the 51% sign doesn’t have to be posted on the door, so if you walk into a restaurant & bar combo where it’s not obvious that it’s 51%+ alcohol sales you don’t know for sure until you have already stepped inside.

TABC in general is a terrible law enforcement agency in my opinion. They wrote me a ticket back in college for being underage and sitting in the backseat next to some beer. I never did pay that ticket either… Wonder now if I have a warrant in Lubbock or more than likely it’s past the statute of limitations.

[Seran]

Of course he can’t because it doesn’t exist. From the site he did post:



The real world summary, prior to 2019 places of worship were excluded from places you could legally carry. I believe this was before Texas adopted constitutional carry without a LTC by the way. Anyways, some evil bastard went into a church to kill a bunch of people. A bunch of parishioners pulled out their guns and ended the threat. Technically those good people that were carrying a firearm inside the church were breaking the law, but they saved a bunch of people by doing so. Texas got smart and changed the law to make places of worship the same as any other normal establishment. If a church wants to prohibit people from carrying a firearm on their property they must post proper specific signage, otherwise it’s legal to do so.

And for some unexplainable retard reason, Seran is arguing that since a business or church decide to post signage making it illegal to carry on their property that’s the same thing as the government mandating that the carry of a firearm in all of those places is prohibited.

Of course you dumb fucks didn't bother to do something as simple as changing to tab on the site I linked. Are you honestly so ignorant to think that a Texas Attorney General article referencing the relevant penal codes was somehow mistaken that private property carry exemptions are allowable?

Texas Code Penal 30.05 - Criminal Tresspass

(a) A person commits an offense if the person enters or remains on or in property of another, including residential land, agricultural land, a recreational vehicle park, a building, a general residential operation operating as a residential treatment center, or an aircraft or other vehicle, without effective consent and the person:

(1) had notice that the entry was forbidden; or

(2) received notice to depart but failed to do so.

(b) For purposes of this section:

(1) "Entry" means the intrusion of the entire body.

(2) "Notice" means:

(A) oral or written communication by the owner or someone with apparent authority to act for the owner;

(B) fencing or other enclosure obviously designed to exclude intruders or to contain livestock;

(C) a sign or signs posted on the property or at the entrance to the building, reasonably likely to come to the attention of intruders, indicating that entry is forbidden;

(D) the placement of identifying purple paint marks on trees or posts on the property, provided that the marks are:

(i) vertical lines of not less than eight inches in length and not less than one inch in width;

(ii) placed so that the bottom of the mark is not less than three feet from the ground or more than five feet from the ground; and

(iii) placed at locations that are readily visible to any person approaching the property and no more than:

(a) 100 feet apart on forest land; or

(b) 1,000 feet apart on land other than forest land; or

(E) the visible presence on the property of a crop grown for human consumption that is under cultivation, in the process of being harvested, or marketable if harvested at the time of entry.

(3) "Shelter center" has the meaning assigned by Section 51.002, Human Resources Code.

(4) "Forest land" means land on which the trees are potentially valuable for timber products.

(5) "Agricultural land" has the meaning assigned by Section 75.001, Civil Practice and Remedies Code.

(6) "Superfund site" means a facility that:

(A) is on the National Priorities List established under Section 105 of the federal Comprehensive Environmental Response, Compensation, and Liability Act of 1980 (42 U.S.C. Section 9605); or

(B) is listed on the state registry established under Section 361.181, Health and Safety Code.

(7) "Critical infrastructure facility" means one of the following, if completely enclosed by a fence or other physical barrier that is obviously designed to exclude intruders:

(A) a chemical manufacturing facility;

(B) a refinery;

(C) an electrical power generating facility, substation, switching station, electrical control center, or electrical transmission or distribution facility;

(D) a water intake structure, water treatment facility, wastewater treatment plant, or pump station;

(E) a natural gas transmission compressor station;

(F) a liquid natural gas terminal or storage facility;

(G) a telecommunications central switching office;

(H) a port, railroad switching yard, trucking terminal, or other freight transportation facility;

(I) a gas processing plant, including a plant used in the processing, treatment, or fractionation of natural gas; or

(J) a transmission facility used by a federally licensed radio or television station.

(8) "Protected freshwater area" has the meaning assigned by Section 90.001, Parks and Wildlife Code.

(9) "Recognized state" means another state with which the attorney general of this state, with the approval of the governor of this state, negotiated an agreement after determining that the other state:

(A) has firearm proficiency requirements for peace officers; and

(B) fully recognizes the right of peace officers commissioned in this state to carry weapons in the other state.

(10) "Recreational vehicle park" has the meaning assigned by Section 13.087, Water Code.

(11) "Residential land" means real property improved by a dwelling and zoned for or otherwise authorized for single-family or multifamily use.

(12) "Institution of higher education" has the meaning assigned by Section 61.003, Education Code.

(13) "General residential operation" has the meaning assigned by Section 42.002, Human Resources Code.

(c) A person may provide notice that firearms are prohibited on the property by posting a sign at each entrance to the property that:

(1) includes language that is identical to or substantially similar to the following: "Pursuant to Section 30.05, Penal Code (criminal trespass), a person may not enter this property with a firearm";

(2) includes the language described by Subdivision (1) in both English and Spanish;

(3) appears in contrasting colors with block letters at least one inch in height; and

(4) is displayed in a conspicuous manner clearly visible to the public.

(d) Subject to Subsection (d-3), an offense under this section is:

(1) a Class B misdemeanor, except as provided by Subdivisions (2) and (3);

(2) a Class C misdemeanor, except as provided by Subdivision (3), if the offense is committed:

(A) on agricultural land and within 100 feet of the boundary of the land; or

(B) on residential land and within 100 feet of a protected freshwater area; and

(3) a Class A misdemeanor if:

(A) the offense is committed:

(i) in a habitation or a shelter center;

(ii) on a Superfund site; or

(iii) on or in a critical infrastructure facility;

(B) the offense is committed on or in property of an institution of higher education and it is shown on the trial of the offense that the person has previously been convicted of:

(i) an offense under this section relating to entering or remaining on or in property of an institution of higher education; or

(ii) an offense under Section 51.204(b)(1), Education Code, relating to trespassing on the grounds of an institution of higher education;

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/D...E.30.htm#30.05

[Suppressed Poet]

Of course you dumb fucks didn't bother to do something as simple as changing to tab on the site I linked. Are you honestly so ignorant to think that a Texas Attorney General article referencing the relevant penal codes was somehow mistaken that private property carry exemptions are allowable?



https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/D...E.30.htm#30.05

Wait, wut?

Let’s just agree on one thing. You shouldn’t come to Texas.

[Neveragain]

Of course you dumb fucks didn't bother to do something as simple as changing to tab on the site I linked. Are you honestly so ignorant to think that a Texas Attorney General article referencing the relevant penal codes was somehow mistaken that private property carry exemptions are allowable?

Why are you so angry that private citizens defended themselves against a mass murderer in a church?

I mean, we know why, I would just like to hear your reasoning.

[Solkern]

You are correct.

Personally I think that’s dumb as well for the reason you mentioned. It’s already illegal to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol while in possession of a firearm, which is a good law. It’s also annoying that the 51% sign doesn’t have to be posted on the door, so if you walk into a restaurant & bar combo where it’s not obvious that it’s 51%+ alcohol sales you don’t know for sure until you have already stepped inside.

TABC in general is a terrible law enforcement agency in my opinion. They wrote me a ticket back in college for being underage and sitting in the backseat next to some beer. I never did pay that ticket either… Wonder now if I have a warrant in Lubbock or more than likely it’s past the statute of limitations.

Serious question, do you think it should be illegal for drunk people or people on drugs to carry firearms?

[Suppressed Poet]

Serious question, do you think it should be illegal for drunk people or people on drugs to carry firearms?

I called that a good law in the post you quoted.

Yes it should be illegal to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol while in bodily possession of a firearm.

[Parkbandit]

Of course you dumb fucks didn't bother to do something as simple as changing to tab on the site I linked. Are you honestly so ignorant to think that a Texas Attorney General article referencing the relevant penal codes was somehow mistaken that private property carry exemptions are allowable?

https://statutes.capitol.texas.gov/D...E.30.htm#30.05

Here's the question again:

No, I was looking for the specific Texas state statute that spells out that "the only reason the place of worship, eatery, etc, has the right the ban weapons is by state government statute."

[Solkern]

I called that a good law in the post you quoted.

Yes it should be illegal to be under the influence of drugs or alcohol while in bodily possession of a firearm.

Ok great, we agree. Now, doesn’t that violate my second amendment rights?