Tyranny of the ATF

[~Rocktar~]

Seran walks into a crowded tranny bar in Commiefornia all pissed off waving his .357 revolver. The music stops. Seran shouts “I got 6 shots of .357 full power magnums, and I want to know which one of you bitches has been sleeping with my boyfriend!” A high pitched voice immediately shouts back “You ain’t got enough bullets for all of us you limp-wristed pussy!” The whole bar erupts in laughter and everyone gets a free round of Bud Light.

Moral of this story is we live in a double stack semiauto world. I agree on everything you said, but I’ll take my compact 9mm with 15+1 rounds of excellent +P 124 grain hollow points and an extra magazine in my pocket any day everyday for anti-personnel performance over a 6 shot .357.

Hey, my EDC is a sig with 18+1 double stack and spare mag, both loaded with Hornady Critical Defense in 115 gr. Goes in .35 inches diameter, expands to an average of .72 inches and dumps 95% of it's energy in the average human torso. Bonus, same weight and ballistics short range as the cheap metal case Eastern Euro ball ammo so I can afford to practice a bit.

[Suppressed Poet]

Hey, my EDC is a sig with 18+1 double stack and spare mag, both loaded with Hornady Critical Defense in 115 gr. Goes in .35 inches diameter, expands to an average of .72 inches and dumps 95% of it's energy in the average human torso. Bonus, same weight and ballistics short range as the cheap metal case Eastern Euro ball ammo so I can afford to practice a bit.

Nice. My most often EDC is a CZ Rami (semi compact 10+1 9mm) and a CZ PCR (15+1 Glock 19 sized). I’ve always had good luck with Federal HSTs cycling in all my guns. I can empty either of those in a 6 inch circle at 10 yards way faster than my S&W Model 19 with 6 shots of 357 magnums.

[Seran]

You’re right that I don’t give a shit about California state laws because I live in a free state.

I suppose then I buy guns out of state all the time by your standards, which isn’t really what we were talking about because the transfer is happening in your home state.

Pro tip: Go here: https://gun.deals + use the search function and put in the manufacturer’s part number or UPC code. It will list in order pretty much all sellers on the internet by price. Buy it online and have it shipped to your local FFL. You can save a boatload of money over the big box retailers like Cabelas.

Tell us more about this .357. What is the make and model? What kind of ammo do you shoot out of it? Is that what you hunt squirrels with? Why did you buy it?

The point is, it is possible to buy firearms out of state depending on where you're adjacent. Nevada is a lot more permissable, I imagine Arizona even more still, but being the law abiding citizen I am I'd rather pay more at a legit dealer than have the stress of transporting across state lines. Call me a pussy or whatever, it's a matter of choice. But you, me and other people staying above board or at worst grey marketing 'collectibles' isn't the issue. It's people willing to sell weapons committing evil acts.

If there is anything I would assume you could get behind, is preserving an unadulterated right for good people by focusing control and disarmament on gang bangers, armed robbers, and murderers

[Suppressed Poet]

The point is, it is possible to buy firearms out of state depending on where you're adjacent. Nevada is a lot more permissable, I imagine Arizona even more still, but being the law abiding citizen I am I'd rather pay more at a legit dealer than have the stress of transporting across state lines. Call me a pussy or whatever, it's a matter of choice. But you, me and other people staying above board or at worst grey marketing 'collectibles' isn't the issue. It's people willing to sell weapons committing evil acts.

If there is anything I would assume you could get behind, is preserving an unadulterated right for good people by focusing control and disarmament on gang bangers, armed robbers, and murderers

I can totally get behind that. Just don’t infringe upon the rights of good people to keep and bear arms. And to be crystal clear about what I mean when I say infringe, I mean anything that would make it more difficult / cumbersome / tedious / hinder in any way good people’s ability to keep and bear arms in the process of focusing on those bad people.

[Realk]

Bubba shot the juke box last night, said it played a sad song that made him cry. He went to his truck and got a .45.. Bubba shot the juke box last night.

[Parkbandit]

The point is, it is possible to buy firearms out of state depending on where you're adjacent. Nevada is a lot more permissable, I imagine Arizona even more still, but being the law abiding citizen I am I'd rather pay more at a legit dealer than have the stress of transporting across state lines. Call me a pussy or whatever, it's a matter of choice. But you, me and other people staying above board or at worst grey marketing 'collectibles' isn't the issue. It's people willing to sell weapons committing evil acts.

If there is anything I would assume you could get behind, is preserving an unadulterated right for good people by focusing control and disarmament on gang bangers, armed robbers, and murderers

Wait.. so you complied with the gun laws in California, one of the most restrictive gun law states in the country, and your "point" was that you can buy firearms out of state?

It really blows your "ITS TEH SURROUNDING STATE'S THAT CAUSE ALL OUR PROBLEM'S!" argument that you made this story up for.

Fucking retard.

[Methais]

Maybe not, but I wanted it. Just not dumb enough to pretend it's for home defense.

You should turn in your pretend .357.

If it saves even just one life, then it's worth it. Right?

[Methais]

Wait.. so you complied with the gun laws in California, one of the most restrictive gun law states in the country, and your "point" was that you can buy firearms out of state?

It really blows your "ITS TEH SURROUNDING STATE'S THAT CAUSE ALL OUR PROBLEM'S!" argument that you made this story up for.

Fucking retard.

+1 for Seran accurate apostrophe use.

[kutter]

Hey, my EDC is a sig with 18+1 double stack and spare mag, both loaded with Hornady Critical Defense in 115 gr. Goes in .35 inches diameter, expands to an average of .72 inches and dumps 95% of it's energy in the average human torso. Bonus, same weight and ballistics short range as the cheap metal case Eastern Euro ball ammo so I can afford to practice a bit.

My EDC is my P365, it is easy to conceal in an IWB, but when I am feeling like I need a little more, I carry my P239 in 357 SIG, IWB. It is a fair amount heavier but with the SIG hollow points, I am not worried about being out gunned. The only down side to my P239 is no optic on it, have to shoot old skool with it. Before my 365, my EDC was my P320 X-Carry, and in the winter I still sometimes carry that since it is lighter than my 239 with a larger capacity and it has an optic. But I would need to buy new pants to carry the 320 IWB so it is always OWB, need big covering to hide it so only a winter gun, but I am fat so it is much easier to carry a larger pistol hidden.

[Suppressed Poet]

My EDC is my P365, it is easy to conceal in an IWB, but when I am feeling like I need a little more, I carry my P239 in 357 SIG, IWB. It is a fair amount heavier but with the SIG hollow points, I am not worried about being out gunned. The only down side to my P239 is no optic on it, have to shoot old skool with it. Before my 365, my EDC was my P320 X-Carry, and in the winter I still sometimes carry that since it is lighter than my 239 with a larger capacity and it has an optic. But I would need to buy new pants to carry the 320 IWB so it is always OWB, need big covering to hide it so only a winter gun, but I am fat so it is much easier to carry a larger pistol hidden.

Most people I know carry a P365. I’ve had the opportunity to shoot one several times, and really like them with the 12 round extended mags that allow a full finger grip. My lazy summer pocket carry is a Sig P938 which is a similar size but it’s like a tiny 1911. I carry that in a pocket holster with the extended mag (only 7 rounds because it’s single stack). I keep saying to myself I should retire that one and upgrade to a P365 for my pocket rocket, but haven’t got around to it.

The CZs I carry have Alien Gear hybrid holsters (cloak tuck I think it’s called?) and carry them in the 4:00 position IWB. I’ve tried appendix carry and all the other ways, but that 4:00 position IWB is what agrees with my body type and lifestyle. I always carry a spare mag in my front left pocket. I also have on me at all times a little slim high lumen flashlight & a little flipper pocket knife that I beat the shit out of.

On pistol optics, I have a full sized IWI Masada that is equipped with a Streamlight TLR7A flashlight & Vortex red dot. That’s my primary home defense pistol. At first I really didn’t like the red dot because the dot jumps around & I’ve trained all my life to focus on the front sight. It’s weird to me to focus on the target and allow the dot to superimpose on it. The more I practice with it though the more I like it. I’m still faster with iron sights from the draw, but the red dot is great for accuracy at longer distances and rapid follow-up shots. For a self defense carry gun though, I just don’t perceive a lot of benefit for me in pistol optics.