Trump Indicted in Georgia

[Shaps]

Shaps, you're not going to find analogous situations to the actions cited in the Georgia indictment because they are without parallel (in our country). No sitting President in US history has ever tried to overthrow the results of an election after the normal, legal channels for contesting it had been exhausted.

This isn't a Republicans vs Democrats thing. It's Trump vs Democracy and the law. You're making this an "Own the Libs" moment when it should be "Am I okay with this becoming the new normal?" moment.

I asked you a very sincere set of questions. You have made it clear that you don't think Trump should be held accountable for trying to overthrow our election after all legal avenues to contest had been exhausted. Specifically you don't think he should be held accountable for breaching our election equipment and records, for sending an armed and angry mob to the Capitol to disrupt the electoral college certification, for organizing false slates of electors to submit alternate votes that could be counted instead of the legally determined ones or for calling elections officials and demanding they change vote counts.

I'm just trying to understand the rules here, and I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt by not assuming you're creating a special carve out just for Trump. (That would be doing everything you're accusing everyone else of doing)

So what are the other situations where these things are acceptable and should be completely legal?

You can ask sincere questions all you want...

BUT... when your first statement has already been proven false - and I have linked the information - highlighted the portions - and shown the similarities... you continue to ignore it.

It's not sincere if you don't read the provided historical evidence I've already posted.

That's what's so frustrating with you, Seran, and others of your kind... You ask for something. It's provided. You either A. Don't read it B. Read it and fully ignore it or C. Read it and say it's not the same thing - even though it is.

Everything you're claiming he did - Democrats have also done... so as I've said... you can ignore the Democrats "politics" and "criminalize" Trumps "politics"... but it's only going to lead to ruin.

The rules are simple - Apply the same standard to everyone, or no one. If for one side it's "just politics" and your enemies it's "it's criminal"... then that's not a fair playing field.

The other rule is this - I'm fine playing dirty (I wish more were)... I'm fine if the Democrat Party wants to do politics this way... what I'm not fine with is when people fight back, using their own tactics... then whine like little bitches because someone got up in their face.

You tell me which set of rules you want to play by... and I'll play by them.

How after all these years you're in a much more discussion mode vs. blatant/blind support of the Democrat Party is nice to see... though if I had to guess - some of those things you've supported in the past are starting to affect you somehow in your daily life where you live. That's just a guess, and not really on topic - just more of an observation.

[Shaps]

Last time in order also - so I'm thorough in answering your questions:

1. Democrats have over many years "breached election equipment and records" swaying elections at all levels of Government - to much historical evidence to even link.

2. Democrats have multiple times swarmed Federal Buildings and taken them over, created "Autonomous Zones", and threatened verbally and physically assaulted hundreds, if not thousands, of their "opponents" - again to much historical evidence to even link.

3. Democrats have also sent a "false slate of electors" - and again in a previous post I already made the distinction - they were legitimate electors that signed and sent their support for their candidate to the Senate while election results were being contested. Democrats have done the same thing. - Already posted the historical documents in an earlier post.

4. Democrats have numerous times lobbied and stalled proceedings of counting Electoral Votes - and again, I've already posted historical evidence to that point.

So you tell me... if the Democrats have already done, everything they're accusing Trump of - and suddenly that is "criminal"... what have the Democrats been doing all these years?

[Seran]

Time4Fun: Please allow me to share minimum information on my passion of guns. I’m writing this sincerely with intentions only to educate you with very basic firearm knowledge so you can communicate about them more effectively.



On top you have an AR-15. AR stands for ArmaLite which was the original manufacturing company in the 1960s and 15 is just a model designation. This is by far America’s most popular semiautomatic rifle. Today there are many manufacturers but the core design has been standardized. AR-15s are as American as cherry pie and Chevrolet.

On bottom you have an AK-47. AK stands for “Avtomat Kalashnikova” which the Russian translation is roughly automatic Kalashnikov (the last name of the man credited with the invention) rifle and the 47 part is the introduction model year of 1947. The USSR, Russia, and all of the former Soviet countries made a bajillion of these. They are less popular (but growing and still popular) in the US than the AR-15. The easiest way to recognize one is that banana curved shape magazine.

On both rifles there are military versions that are full automatic machine guns, but civilian models fire only one bullet when you press the trigger. You can go down a rabbit hole on both, but that’s about all you need to know to sound like you know what you’re talking about amongst the broskis. Thanks for reading this.

The rabbit hole being the incredibly inexpensive bump stock which allows even a novice to convert the semi-automatic AR-15 into a fully automatic. Pretending that easy to obtain accessory that most owners also purchase which increases the combat effectiveness of the 'civilian version' into something akin to the military/law enforcement version or the classic AK-47 seems to be your intention. Stop it.

[Seran]

Also, notice the rampant distractions being proffered to draw away from the discussion about soon to be felon cheeto man.

[~Rocktar~]

The rabbit hole being the incredibly inexpensive bump stock which allows even a novice to convert the semi-automatic AR-15 into a fully automatic. Pretending that easy to obtain accessory that most owners also purchase which increases the combat effectiveness of the 'civilian version' into something akin to the military/law enforcement version or the classic AK-47 seems to be your intention. Stop it.

And the retardation continues. A bump stock does not make it a machine gun, only allows you to actuate the trigger faster. It is still, in no way, automatic. Plus, you can't buy those anymore. Next, no matter what the rifle, more people are killed every year with fists, feet, clubs and blunt weapons than by any and all rifles. The only real danger of these and other modern rifles for all you Leftist pieces of crap is that they allow the people to resist your oppression by a tyrannical government. Which means, you can't implement your total government control as long as the people can fight back.

You whine about distractions and yet, every time there is another major issue released about Biden, along comes your side with yet another fake indictment of Trump in the largest ever case of election interference in the history of the United States.

[Solkern]

I’m an idiot and I had to use a chat AI to join a discussion that’s way out of my scope of intelligence.

Much like your wife does to you at home, you got completely ignored because of your lack of ability to be useful.

You should just disappear again, it’s something your family has been wanting for a while as well.

[Parkbandit]

And if you don't believe PB, just ask Keller. He should be making an appearance pretty soon.

My kids aren't 11 and 12 anymore... I'm pretty sure they are safe from Keller.

[Parkbandit]

So I do have to push back on this. Yes, most folks were unarmed. But there were armed members of that crowd, and Trump knew it.

Mace, stun guns, baseball bats, etc. Pipe bombs. There's also recorded police radio that they had spotted people with AK-15s and Glocks. People faced weapons charges from that day. Guns were allegedly confiscated. 100 police officers were injured and 5 people died.

And more to the point- not only was Trump repeatedly informed before the event that there was a high likelihood of violence, but he was also told during the event that people in the crowd were armed (which is why they were standing outside of the metal detectors). Trump said apparently said he didn't care because they weren't going to hurt him. He wanted the metal detectors removed so they would come closer to the stage. People who were there testified about this under oath.

He sent them to the Capitol building and told them that this was their last chance to save their country. They were there because of Trump, he organized an entire event to make them angry, and then he knowingly sent armed people to the Capitol. He literally told them to "Fight Like Hell". Did he tell them to bring weapons? No. Did he know they already had them? Yes.

And to be clear, Trump waited 3 hours to tell people to go home. Multiple people have testified under oath that people were pleading with him the whole time to call it off. And he refused. Even when he did finally do it, he told him he loved them and that they were special people and repeated all the same lies and lines that got them worked up to begin with. i.e. He justified their actions.

And two hours later he tweeted this:

I'm not going to call you disingenuous because I don't think that's your goal at all, but I am going to say that you are missing A LOT of information.

Now see.. THIS is the stuff I really miss from you time4fun.

The "armed insurrection" that you leftist lunatics keep saying happened... never did.. but if you say stuff like "BUT TEH POLICE SAW AK-15s AND GLOCKS!" it sorta gives it a little bit of credit? So.. in a city that has basically thrown the 2nd Amendment out the window.. and law enforcement saw all these "AK-15s and Glocks!" all over the place.. and did nothing to stop them. Shouldn't we be discussing why law enforcement allowed guns around the Capitol like that?

So, our law enforcement didn't do their job.. our politicians didn't do their jobs and make sure we were ready for this protest... one thing they ALWAYS seem to get right except on this specific day...

THANK GOD the brave metal detectors stopped this coup in it's tracks!

Metal detectors.. they are the real heros in time4fun's trip down Fantasy Island!

If you see a metal detector today.. maybe give them a hug and thank them for their service.

SPOILER: AK-15... for your story, you should have stuck with either the AR-15 or maybe even the AK-47.

[Methais]

So I do have to push back on this. Yes, most folks were unarmed. But there were armed members of that crowd, and Trump knew it.

Mace, stun guns, baseball bats, etc. Pipe bombs. There's also recorded police radio that they had spotted people with AK-15s and Glocks. People faced weapons charges from that day. Guns were allegedly confiscated. 100 police officers were injured and 5 people died.

And more to the point- not only was Trump repeatedly informed before the event that there was a high likelihood of violence, but he was also told during the event that people in the crowd were armed (which is why they were standing outside of the metal detectors). Trump said apparently said he didn't care because they weren't going to hurt him. He wanted the metal detectors removed so they would come closer to the stage. People who were there testified about this under oath.

He sent them to the Capitol building and told them that this was their last chance to save their country. They were there because of Trump, he organized an entire event to make them angry, and then he knowingly sent armed people to the Capitol. He literally told them to "Fight Like Hell". Did he tell them to bring weapons? No. Did he know they already had them? Yes.



And to be clear, Trump waited 3 hours to tell people to go home. Multiple people have testified under oath that people were pleading with him the whole time to call it off. And he refused. Even when he did finally do it, he told him he loved them and that they were special people and repeated all the same lies and lines that got them worked up to begin with. i.e. He justified their actions.

And two hours later he tweeted this:


I'm not going to call you disingenuous because I don't think that's your goal at all, but I am going to say that you are missing A LOT of information.

THOSE SUPER SCARY AK-15s OMG OMG OMG OMG OMG!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!111111


Did Trump or did Trump not also tell them to do it peacefully?

You won't answer this because you already know how full of shit you are.

[Neveragain]

Much like your wife does to you at home, you got completely ignored because of your lack of ability to be useful.

You should just disappear again, it’s something your family has been wanting for a while as well.

What has you so Joe Pesci?

Was it the mention that a banker is easier to code than a fry cook?

What does a banker really do that has not already been replaced by computers over the past 40 years?