Things that made you Facepalm today (Political Version)

[Solkern]

I can find common ground with you that Texas abortion laws could be more specific and use widely accepted medical terminology as to help eliminate any possible confusion.

On this doctor and this case, I call bullshit about not blaming the doctor. You and I are not doctors, but I think we can both agree a medical exemption was warranted & lawful according to the State’s law.

Yes I concur with your statement, my words were more about the law being extremely vague, they are unsure what will get them in serious trouble and what won’t. That’s what I meant. They are doctors, not law makers and vice versa, what may be ok to them, isn’t ok for other doctors.

Imagine you are in the doctor’s position, and you do the abortion, yet the state and other doctors(which the state can use at expert testimony), feel like you broke the extremely vague law and you lose your medical license, are you willing to risk that? Your entire life gone.

The state is just as much to blame as the doctor’s in my humble opinion, if you are going to write a law, that has these types of punishments, there’s no room for being “vague” it was obviously rushed to be pushed through as law without taking the time to be clear and concise.

[Suppressed Poet]

Most liberals, or the left want 16-20 weeks, there are a few crazy that think to term is perfectly ok, which it’s not. The only time I think a late term abortion is ok, is if the mother’s life is at risk, or the baby isn’t going to live.

I think we have talked on this, but most of Americans seem to fall in middle ground. I’m staunchly morally opposed to abortion when it’s used like birth control, but politically for me it’s an area I’m willing to compromise as it’s not on the top of my list of issues. Pick a number…16 weeks seems reasonable to me. This is admittedly an area where Republicans are getting their asses handed to them in elections. I’m much more concerned about economic, foreign policy, and other civil rights issues then I am about abortion.

[Suppressed Poet]

Imagine you are in the doctor’s position, and you do the abortion, yet the state and other doctors(which the state can use at expert testimony), feel like you broke the extremely vague law and you lose your medical license, are you willing to risk that?

I would be willing to take that risk. The doctor is the expert. I try my best to act with integrity in my personal and professional life, even when doing so can put me in harm’s way. Given the facts, I’d absolutely make that judgement call. I doubt the state would even question it since they haven’t ever done so before, but even if I knew it would be scrutinized I would have to act in good conscience. Wouldn’t you? Is it not reasonable to hold doctors to that standard?

[Solkern]

I would be willing to take that risk. The doctor is the expert. I try my best to act with integrity in my personal and professional life, even when doing so can put me in harm’s way. Given the facts, I’d absolutely make that judgement call. I doubt the state would even question it since they haven’t ever done so before, but even if I knew it would be scrutinized I would have to act in good conscience. Wouldn’t you? Is it not reasonable to hold doctors to that standard?

Of course we should hold every doctor to that standard, and I 100% agree, but it’s obvious, especially from this article alone, doctors aren’t like that, and they worry about their families and livelihoods.

[Suppressed Poet]

A lack of enforcement of a law that adds penalties for an act isn't a good argument the state has no skin in the game. No more than it is a valid argument to get out of a speeding ticket for exceeding the legally posted speed limit you've exceeded for months prior to finally pulled over and ticketed. A crime not observed is no less a crime in a law abiding society.

That is not my point at all and I don’t see any reason to argue with you on it. Good day sir.

[Methais]

The doctors are being sued, even the state blames them. Lawyers representing the state argued Wednesday that the plaintiffs’ doctors were to blame, saying they misinterpreted the law and failed to provide adequate care for such high-risk pregnancies.

Potential opportunity for them to be like DAMMIT JIM I'M A DOCTOR NOT A LAWYER!!!!!!!!!!1111ONE

[Methais]

...but blaming it on Texas abortion laws doesn’t make sense to me.

It does when it's almost election season.

[Parkbandit]

Most liberals, or the left want 16-20 weeks, there are a few crazy that think to term is perfectly ok, which it’s not. The only time I think a late term abortion is ok, is if the mother’s life is at risk, or the baby isn’t going to live.

But that was the issue. There were several states that were purposely ambiguous and vague about the latest that a woman could get an abortion.. and the mantra of "IT'S HER BODY! HER CHOICE!" and "IF YOU DON'T HAVE A UTERUS, YOU SHOULD SHUT UP!".

[Parkbandit]

It does when it's almost election season.

Exactly.

[Realk]

I feel like if I was a doctor to a woman, I would get a second opinion. That being out of the way if we both agreed I'd do it regardless of potential consequences, because my concern would be for my patient. That is why I'm not a doctor.

this thought is about doctors risking themselves by taking on patients, and afraid of doing the right thing.