FBI raid on Trump's home

[Seran]

So neither of you think that there is the slightest bit of political motivation behind these indictments? I disagree, but fair enough. Even if you don’t agree that is the motivation, the DOJ and FBI have never brought charges against a former president or the front runner of the party of opposition. That is unprecedented.

I think you both would feel differently about the situation if it wasn’t Orange Man being prosecuted & instead it was Potato Head. There will come a time when we have a Republican president again, and when that happens there will be hell to pay. It could even be this next election cycle and that next president could be Trump. Time will tell.

I think that is bold assumption and I personally will tell you you're wrong. Regardless of political affiliation /any/ person who has committed crimes and there is sufficient evidence and establish motive to obtain an indictment, should be charged. Trump has broken the mold in being the /first/ former President in the history of the United States who not only committed crimes and was caught, but who also produced evidence against himself through his compulsive need to brag about it.

I think the mere fact that it is Ex-President Cheeto is the only reason why you are so butthurt about it. Your cries about political motivation aren't supported by evidence. He committed a crime, the fact he is a politician is immaterial. You really need to check yourself over your belief that politicians should be immune to criminal prosecution.

[ClydeR]

Here it is! Unsealed.

https://www.cnn.com/2023/06/09/polit...ent/index.html

It's a good read.

The alleged acts were not very smart. I would say inept, clumsy, transparent, easily reconstructed, criminal.

What is "beautiful mind paper"?

[~Rocktar~]

It's a good read.

The alleged acts were not very smart. I would say inept, clumsy, transparent, easily reconstructed, criminal.

What is "beautiful mind paper"?

Looks like 37 counts of election interference to me.

[Suppressed Poet]

I think the mere fact that it is Ex-President Cheeto is the only reason why you are so butthurt about it. Your cries about political motivation aren't supported by evidence. He committed a crime, the fact he is a politician is immaterial. You really need to check yourself over your belief that politicians should be immune to criminal prosecution.

Yeah OK Seran.

[Suppressed Poet]

Nope. It's a threat to our democracy that we vend around the world to other countries, to let this ex pres do what he's done. But that's not why he's being indicted. He's being indicted because he's apologetically guilty, flaunting it, and non stop lyin and crimin. To not indict would be to admit a failure of our democracy at the core, that law does not in fact matter or apply to a criminal ex pres.



Agree, it is unprecedented, and 100% warranted. Long overdue as well if you ask me, but the wheels of justice something something slow as fuck.



No, because potato head said "Yep, I have those docs, here ya go". That's the difference.



What you describe sounds like vengeance, which is not why the cheeto is going down. He's going down because he's a scumbag criminal who can't keep his big fat mouth shut and keeps on implicating himself, making a mockery of our democracy and our justice system. He is his own worst enemy and his fan club has always been undeserved. Step out of the train before it finishes the inevitable derailment.

I’ll actually say I agree with most everything you said here (as in this single particular post) about Trump. Particularly his big fat mouth. We just differ on the optics, motivation behind his indictment, and potential downstream impacts. The parts we don’t agree on are not worth arguing over, so to you sir I say…have a good weekend.

[ClydeR]

The defamation and sexual abuse case that Trump recently lost was primarily about facts. His best defense in that case would have been to deny that the facts occurred as his accuser described.

In this documents case, I believe Trump will need to rely on the law, instead of the facts, as a defense. It will be nearly impossible for Trump to deny, for example, the fact that he discussed, and described the contents of, a military secret document with reporters, told them that it was highly classified, and stated that he wished he had declassified it while he was President. It's all on audio tape. There's no way to deny it. The deceit involved in the hide-the-box game will be tough to deny too, and that is probably the crime for which punishment will be greatest.

Trump's defense in this case will need to be legal motions. Trump will need to try to have evidence excluded from his trial based on various legal theories. It could take a very long time.

[Bhaalizmo]

The defamation and sexual abuse case that Trump recently lost was primarily about facts. His best defense in that case would have been to deny that the facts occurred as his accuser described.

In this documents case, I believe Trump will need to rely on the law, instead of the facts, as a defense. It will be nearly impossible for Trump to deny, for example, the fact that he discussed, and described the contents of, a military secret document with reporters, told them that it was highly classified, and stated that he wished he had declassified it while he was President. It's all on audio tape. There's no way to deny it. The deceit involved in the hide-the-box game will be tough to deny too, and that is probably the crime for which punishment will be greatest.

Trump's defense in this case will need to be legal motions. Trump will need to try to have evidence excluded from his trial based on various legal theories. It could take a very long time.

Speaking of that defamation case, did you hear it immediately got re-launched after he continued to defame her following the end of the trial?

If there was a Oscar award for worst defendant ever he might just take the cake.

Defense lawyers still chuckle all the way to the bank though.

[SHAFT]

Ummmm, so you forget the "raid" on Clinton to get the servers after she destroyed evidence in a federal criminal investigation and being discovered to have possession of classified documents that she wasn't allowed to have? Typical. Then there is the discovery of documents in multiple, unsecured locations held by Biden from when he was a Senator and had NO right to documents at all. Compared to the POTUS that has all rights to them. Nice try.

You’re so fucking stupid you don’t realize this isn’t about being in possession of classified documents.

Read the indictment, you feeble-minded fuck-stick.

[Bhaalizmo]

You’re so fucking stupid you don’t realize this isn’t about being in possession of classified documents.

Read the indictment, you feeble-minded fuck-stick.

If Rocktard could read this he'd be very upset.

[ClydeR]

I predict the following..

• Trump will be convicted.
• Biden will pardon Trump before Trump has to go to jail for this crime.
• Biden will not pardon Trump's Coke valet, even though the valet's crimes were less than Trump's and even though the valet acted at Trump's direction.
• While Trump is living the rest of his life as a billionaire, he will not use any of his fortune to help his valet's family and will not lose any sleep over his former valet's incarceration. He'll just hire somebody else to bring him Cokes.