Justice for Hire - SCOTUS

[Neveragain]

I wonder if people in the USSR were having the same type of discussion in the mid to late 80s before it collapsed. It’s not so much that communism the system if corrupt per say, but the selfish people that use the system for to gain wealth & power.

Even a dictator can be good government. Julius Caesar wasn't assassinated because he was hated or corrupt, he was assassinated because he was too good.

[Suppressed Poet]

Even a dictator can be good government. Julius Caesar wasn't assassinated because he was hated or corrupt, he was assassinated because he was too good.

An even better statesman was Caesar Augustus who was really the first true Emperor and ended the Republic. But that’s the thing about dictatorships…you are more likely to get a weak, lazy, piece of shit than you are someone that works to improve all aspects of society.

[Shaps]

I wonder if people in the USSR were having the same type of discussion in the mid to late 80s before it collapsed. It’s not so much that communism the system if corrupt per se (well it is and just disguises as a revolutionary utopia in my eyes but ignore that for a moment) but the selfish people that use the system to gain wealth & power.

This is why any other system that's been attempted did not protect the rights of it's citizens as well as the Constitutional Republic format... other systems are idealistic and, if was not inhabited by human influence, would overall be more harmonious...

The problem is, those systems - ie. Communism, Socialism, The Prime Directive, etc... are not successful... is because there are no built in constraints to their implementation by the humans that control them.

There is a reason the US founders highlighted in the Declaration of Independence... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...."

The rights are the peoples upon being born... not given to them by their Government.

There is a reason they also used the term "Creator" vs. "God"... so that the rights they enumerated would cover anyone's belief system... not just ones of Christian Orthodoxy (even though the majority were Christian at the time)... and also why they never mentioned God at all in the Constitution.

They were very astute and understood that political systems were only as good as the people that implemented them... and therefore created one that tried to limit those in power abusing those that they governed, through the systems of Checks and Balances and Separation of Powers.

It worked for awhile... but sadly we are where we are today.

[Suppressed Poet]

This is why any other system that's been attempted did not protect the rights of it's citizens as well as the Constitutional Republic format... other systems are idealistic and, if was not inhabited by human influence, would overall be more harmonious...

The problem is, those systems - ie. Communism, Socialism, The Prime Directive, etc... are not successful... is because there are no built in constraints to their implementation by the humans that control them.

There is a reason the US founders highlighted in the Declaration of Independence... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...."

The rights are the peoples upon being born... not given to them by their Government.

There is a reason they also used the term "Creator" vs. "God"... so that the rights they enumerated would cover anyone's belief system... not just ones of Christian Orthodoxy (even though the majority were Christian at the time)... and also why they never mentioned God at all in the Constitution.

They were very astute and understood that political systems were only as good as the people that implemented them... and therefore created one that tried to limit those in power abusing those that they governed, through the systems of Checks and Balances and Separation of Powers.

It worked for awhile... but sadly we are where we are today.

The federal government was never intended to be as big or powerful as it is now. We have but a shadow left of the government they established, but yes thankfully we still have constitutionality protected rights & a system of checks and balances…for as long as we can keep it.

[Seran]

This is why any other system that's been attempted did not protect the rights of it's citizens as well as the Constitutional Republic format... other systems are idealistic and, if was not inhabited by human influence, would overall be more harmonious...

The problem is, those systems - ie. Communism, Socialism, The Prime Directive, etc... are not successful... is because there are no built in constraints to their implementation by the humans that control them.

There is a reason the US founders highlighted in the Declaration of Independence... "We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed...."

The rights are the peoples upon being born... not given to them by their Government.

There is a reason they also used the term "Creator" vs. "God"... so that the rights they enumerated would cover anyone's belief system... not just ones of Christian Orthodoxy (even though the majority were Christian at the time)... and also why they never mentioned God at all in the Constitution.

They were very astute and understood that political systems were only as good as the people that implemented them... and therefore created one that tried to limit those in power abusing those that they governed, through the systems of Checks and Balances and Separation of Powers.

It worked for awhile... but sadly we are where we are today.

Favorite Conservative past time, getting all misty eyed about the declaration of independence and moaning over how the plain tenants laid out in it should be the sole governing rules of our land. I'll tell you, we're the longest standing democracy for a reason, we have in almost every part of our government the checks and balances that the Framers and Fathers envisioned. Except, that the Executive and Judicial have dreamed up an immunity to the laws that govern our land.

Conservative justices flaunting their corruption and receiving six figure gifts? It's amazing there isn't a federal inquiry into this right now, the law was broken. Yet, the Framers said that Justice's have a lifelong appointment and the vastly partisan Legislative branch probably couldn't even agree to impeach a justice who murdered someone. Pathetic.

Worse yet, the former administration decided the President is immune from prosecution and set a precedent that no matter what happened, only an impeachment in a divided congress could stop him. That is an even worse check on uncontrolled power. Biden could probably go out and rob a Walgreens of all it's hard candy and ice cream and suffer nothing more than Republicans frothing at the mouth slightly more than they are now.

[Neveragain]

we're the longest standing democracy for a reason

That reason being, we're not a democracy.

The founders were smart enough to predict people like you would come up with pop-culture movements of ignorance.

[Shaps]

Favorite Conservative past time, getting all misty eyed about the declaration of independence and moaning over how the plain tenants laid out in it should be the sole governing rules of our land. I'll tell you, we're the longest standing democracy for a reason, we have in almost every part of our government the checks and balances that the Framers and Fathers envisioned. Except, that the Executive and Judicial have dreamed up an immunity to the laws that govern our land.

Conservative justices flaunting their corruption and receiving six figure gifts? It's amazing there isn't a federal inquiry into this right now, the law was broken. Yet, the Framers said that Justice's have a lifelong appointment and the vastly partisan Legislative branch probably couldn't even agree to impeach a justice who murdered someone. Pathetic.

Worse yet, the former administration decided the President is immune from prosecution and set a precedent that no matter what happened, only an impeachment in a divided congress could stop him. That is an even worse check on uncontrolled power. Biden could probably go out and rob a Walgreens of all it's hard candy and ice cream and suffer nothing more than Republicans frothing at the mouth slightly more than they are now.

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What Government are you talking about?

I never once referenced a Democracy... I talked about the Constitutional Republic that is our Nations framework.

You know you're an idiot... You openly support the grooming of children... You openly support the genital mutilation of children in defiance of International Law... you openly support segregation... and you are to stupid to understand that we are a Constitutional Republic.

People like you are why the Founders designed the Government the way they did... to protect the populous from insane people like you from subjugating others.

Just shut the fuck up already... I'm already enraged having watched that video earlier of Biden molesting those children in plain sight of everyone, and everyone just letting it go... Having to deal with a pedo, sorry MAP, like you on these forums is doubly so.

[Solkern]

I wonder if people in the USSR were having the same type of discussion in the mid to late 80s before it collapsed. It’s not so much that communism the system if corrupt per se (well it is and just disguises as a revolutionary utopia in my eyes but ignore that for a moment) but the selfish people that use the system to gain wealth & power.

Interesting question! I spoke to my wife’s parents and grandparents about this a little bit ago, they said generally speaking, the people had absolutely no clue about what was really going on. They believed the government was looking out for the people’s best interest. They were just as shocked as everyone else when the USSR collapsed. While my wife’s grandparents, looking back are happy… my wife’s mom though wants to see the return of the USSR and all its glory(what glory? Lol). I was shocked, I thought it would be the other way around.

My wife’s grandparents absolutely love me, and don’t care where I am from, my wife’s mother thinks her daughter married the enemy. Propaganda is still massive in Russia, as it was back in the day.

My wife’s mother got her visa to America, and she was having a moral crisis, she misses her grandchild so much, but didn’t want to come to America. I think it was partly because she was afraid that all the propaganda she’s been fed, would turn out to be wrong in her eyes, and she wouldn’t know what to do.

[Shaps]

Russians are an amazing people and have an astounding history... what happened from the Bolsheviks, through Lenin, the Western front, and Stalin really was sad for it's people.

95% of people in the world, regardless of belief system/heritage/geographical location/etc. are all the same... and want the same things for themselves and their families.

Sadly the 5% throughout history prey upon the natural inclination of a species, that over millennium, found safety and survived by banding together (strength in numbers)... but out of that species only certain ones are true leaders, or rather influencers, that can lead the masses to greatness and prosperity... or those with that capability are able to sway the masses into horrific situations for their own personal benefit... and those that are truly selfless - with that capability, are much fewer and far between than those who are selfish with the same capabilities.

These proclivities define humans... they will always define humans, regardless of which era we exist... it is, the human condition.

The only way to combat it, is ensuring the masses understand such things... the way it keeps occurring, is the masses are not taught critical thinking or historical context to understand such.

I find it wonderful you're and your wife's family get along so well. Hopefully your mother-in-law comes around

[Solkern]

Russians are an amazing people and have an astounding history... what happened from the Bolsheviks, through Lenin, the Western front, and Stalin really was sad for it's people.

95% of people in the world, regardless of belief system/heritage/geographical location/etc. are all the same... and want the same things for themselves and their families.

Sadly the 5% throughout history prey upon the natural inclination of a species, that over millennium, found safety and survived by banding together (strength in numbers)... but out of that species only certain ones are true leaders, or rather influencers, that can lead the masses to greatness and prosperity... or those with that capability are able to sway the masses into horrific situations for their own personal benefit... and those that are truly selfless - with that capability, are much fewer and far between than those who are selfish with the same capabilities.

These proclivities define humans... they will always define humans, regardless of which era we exist... it is, the human condition.

The only way to combat it, is ensuring the masses understand such things... the way it keeps occurring, is the masses are not taught critical thinking or historical context to understand such.

I find it wonderful you're and your wife's family get along so well. Hopefully your mother-in-law comes around

I’m fighting against 50+ years of propaganda! Might take a while haha.
The problem with Russians, is their way of thinking. The best word I can use to describe Russian people in general is, “content”. They don’t care if they have more, as long as they have enough to get by. While the younger generation is branching out from this by traveling and seeing the world, the majority know of nothing outside their own borders. So she sees america as the opposite of what she thinks.