Banned For Making Too Much Silver

[Meddel]

Who said legal threats? I said I would get my money back. Court of public opinion and the BBB for now.

I was away from the game for 10 years... just tell me this wasn't the way it was supposed to work. Posts on discord made it clear that players and staff knew about this. In the end, they didn't ban be for cycling, they said I broke the loot cap on a single character.

I'm not trying to bust your chops, just pointing at the "After tomorrow, I will proceed with action against Simutronics." statement from the transcript. I heard that as a legal threat. And if they did too, that's the end of the conversation.

[SorcGoods101]

Ah each entry lasts 2 hours, didn't know that.

I mean, 6m silvers in 2 hours is quite impressive.

If you did that for just 10 hours per day that's 900m a month.

But this seems like a lot of failures on Simu's part:

1) Why did the summoning person not get credit by default?
2) Why didn't Reim's loot not count towards the monthly loot cap to begin with?
3) I thought the GMs were keeping a pretty close eye on the amount of silvers players are generating these days, did they not notice 1 character was generating 110m a month and investigate this sooner?

Thank you!

[SorcGoods101]

I'm not trying to bust your chops, just pointing at the "After tomorrow, I will proceed with action against Simutronics." statement from the transcript. I heard that as a legal threat. And if they did too, that's the end of the conversation.

I just said action. They made a lot of assumptions in the punishment, makes sense they would here too. But again, that is all after the fact...

[Tgo01]

I just said action. They made a lot of assumptions in the punishment, makes sense they would here too. But again, that is all after the fact...

To be fair to the person responding from Feedback, I took that part to mean legal action as well, or maybe dispute the charges on your credit card.

[SorcGoods101]

To be fair to the person responding from Feedback, I took that part to mean legal action as well, or maybe dispute the charges on your credit card.

Fair enough. I wasn't coming back though, permanent or 90 temporary. They handled this wrong from start to finish. I gave them every opportunity to work out a "reasonable" solution.

[MispronouncedHeroine]

Fair enough. I wasn't coming back though, permanent or 90 temporary. They handled this wrong from start to finish. I gave them every opportunity to work out a "reasonable" solution.

That is a sweet exploit. It was grey enough they should've just closed the loophole, but I think the number of cookies you got out of the jar drew their ire. The ban hammer seemed a bit heavy and Quilic's justifications were exceptionally dumb. It blows my mind what GMs say sometimes.

But I am not sure why you thought the Karen act was going to get you anywhere? Cops, mods, GMs - they will perform elaborate mental gymnastics to avoid being wrong. You don't take those roles because you are a stable, intelligent, and mature person. You take them because you enjoy power over other people. Don't argue with people who have power over you.

[Winter]

Quilic says, "You pulled over a billion silvers out, and that's being very general. There's nothing in the game that even approaches that level of profit, and finding a way to do it should have been a pretty clear sign that something was amiss."

That's incredibly disingenuous, that's exactly what happens at Duskruin or does Duskruin pawnshop loot now also fall under the silvers cap?

[Izzy]

Yikes, big woe-is-me victim energy.

There's no possible way you though that perpetually summoning the Reim bosses with characters, then removing them to avoid credit was legitimate. It's very obviously intended that each character gets one attempt at the bosses per run. That's why you get locked out from summoning them as soon as you hit one.

That's incredibly disingenuous, that's exactly what happens at Duskruin or does Duskruin pawnshop loot now also fall under the silvers cap?

A duskruin entry is ~$1, and you get exactly 1 attempt at the event for that fee, unlimited time but rewards aren't related to time. Grants special currency in addition to loot.
A reim entry is the same price, and you're supposed to get exactly 1 attempt at the event for that fee, fixed time (2h) but rewards scale with time spent (especially if you game the bosses infinitely with GMA, apparently). Grants special currency in addition to loot.

[SorcGoods101]

Yikes, big woe-is-me victim energy.

There's no possible way you though that perpetually summoning the Reim bosses with characters, then removing them to avoid credit was legitimate. It's very obviously intended that each character gets one attempt at the bosses per run. That's why you get locked out from summoning them as soon as you hit one.


A duskruin entry is ~$1, and you get exactly 1 attempt at the event for that fee, unlimited time but rewards aren't related to time. Grants special currency in addition to loot.
A reim entry is the same price, and you're supposed to get exactly 1 attempt at the event for that fee, fixed time (2h) but rewards scale with time spent (especially if you game the bosses infinitely with GMA, apparently). Grants special currency in addition to loot.

To be clear, they didn't penalize me for that. They enforced the bans (temporary) and loss of all silver because I broke a 4 day old loot cap rule which they don't publish the workings of. If they stuck to their guns and could refute that they knew about the "bug" -- or that how it worked didn't follow normal game mechanics, this would be a different conversation. The fact is they punished me before they did much research on the basis of silver earned. Then they took a week to dig into the logs to try and find justification.

No woe-is-me. I don't believe in that crap. I don't like when corporations act like they can do anything they want. I and others spend a good deal of money on these platforms. Some accountability and responsibility should be required of them. The myriad of comments on GM behavior (some not most in my experience) above should be enough to prove that.

To the point of profitability, with 8 characters, cycling REIM was roughly 2x more profitable than DR. Without cycling (or farming mobs, etc), REIM is about 1/3 as profitable as DR. This wasn't game breaking amounts of loot or amounts not attainable anywhere else in the game as suggested.

[Winter]

A duskruin entry is ~$1, and you get exactly 1 attempt at the event for that fee, unlimited time but rewards aren't related to time.

The issue is the armour/jewellery/weapon are sold for silvers and not blood scrip which circumvents the silvers loot cap and makes it pointless. They could change that the rewards can only be sold or traded in for blood scrip and not silvers but they haven't, draw your own conclusions.