Chinese Spy Balloon

[Methais]

Yes I understand your perspective perfectly, while of course looking back in hindsight we can definitively say we should have shot it down earlier, but we didn’t know what it was exactly at that time.

In other words, normal people were correct. Again. And another leftist narrative that normal people called bullshit on from the beginning fell apart. Again. Except for Seran, because he's extra retarded and incapable of learning or retaining information and sees nothing wrong with Biden's response.

While the balloon probably has more capabilities than a satellite, we also protect our military installments and bases from overhead spying anyways.

By shooting it down later, at least we can 100% confirm and understand what equipment the balloon has with certainty, and know it’s full purpose, rather than make guesses, and give China zero room to try to deny it.

I’m not defending these actions, just trying to show that waiting did have some benefits as well.

I think one reason we waited, is so we can actually catch the Chinese red handed.


But if we break down your version.
If you saw him snooping around your room, acting suspicious, and you think he might try to fuck you in the ass, you wouldn’t just fall asleep, you might question him, or threaten him to get the fuck out. you’d stay awake and make sure he didn’t try anything, then after he left your cell, you shank his ass and stomp on his face until he tells you what he was really doing.

Having suspicions and completely ignoring them, isn’t what we did. We questioned, we monitored, im sure we also did some things to make sure they couldn’t get anything from above, etc etc.

Yeah, we wouldn’t have known what it really was by direct evidence, all its capabilities etc etc, so it’s a double edge sword in a way.

No, SP is correct and your take is pretty milquetoast.

[Parkbandit]

No, SP is correct and your take is pretty milquetoast.

How am I just learning that it's not spelled "milktoast"?

[Suppressed Poet]

Yes I understand your perspective perfectly, while of course looking back in hindsight we can definitively say we should have shot it down earlier, but we didn’t know what it was exactly at that time. While the balloon probably has more capabilities than a satellite, we also protect our military installments and bases from overhead spying anyways.

By shooting it down later, at least we can 100% confirm and understand what equipment the balloon has with certainty, and know it’s full purpose, rather than make guesses, and give China zero room to try to deny it.

I’m not defending these actions, just trying to show that waiting did have some benefits as well.

I think one reason we waited, is so we can actually catch the Chinese red handed.


But if we break down your version.
If you saw him snooping around your room, acting suspicious, and you think he might try to fuck you in the ass, you wouldn’t just fall asleep, you might question him, or threaten him to get the fuck out. you’d stay awake and make sure he didn’t try anything, then after he left your cell, you shank his ass and stomp on his face until he tells you what he was really doing.

Having suspicions and completely ignoring them, isn’t what we did. We questioned, we monitored, im sure we also did some things to make sure they couldn’t get anything from above, etc etc.

I think you are giving our executive administration and government in general a strong benefit of the doubt that they know exactly what they are doing & have a plan. We have been repeatedly kept in the dark on information if not outright lied to, so I personally don’t think they deserve that trust. Are we really going to do anything about this or change our foreign policy on China as a result? Doubtful.

Instead of just saying we will be competitive with China but see them as a friend & acknowledge a One-China policy, it is past time we be clear & consistent in our tone & message. They are not our friends. We don’t seek war with them but if they cross certain lines like invade Taiwan, make foreign trade agreements on oil paying with their currency, aide Russia in their conflict with Ukraine, or bring spy balloons into our airspace…we will respond harshly with grave consequences to their country (it’s ok to leave that last part ambiguous). We need to make investments in India to make them our new China trade partner 2.0. Enough of this wishy-washy ambiguity BS that we have been doing for decades.

[Seran]

We wouldn’t have known that by not shooting it down right away it was able to complete its mission & transmit data back to China?

I suppose that is true.

So your argument is that a balloon with inferior capabilities to Chinese spy satellites and communications monitoring stations should have been shot down over US soil where it's self destruction capabilities may have resulted in loss of American life? Knowing full well it's complete destruction would tell us nothing about it's capabilities? This somehow a better solution to confirming via a water landing what it's capabilities and mission was without the loss of life? You're pretty dumb.

[Methais]

My TV told me to say that it's better to let China get all the info they need and then shoot down the satellite after so that we can confirm that they got a bunch of info on us, instead of shooting it down before it could get any information. I'm pretty dumb.

This is correct.

[Parkbandit]

So your argument is that a balloon with inferior capabilities to Chinese spy satellites and communications monitoring stations should have been shot down over US soil where it's self destruction capabilities may have resulted in loss of American life? Knowing full well it's complete destruction would tell us nothing about it's capabilities? This somehow a better solution to confirming via a water landing what it's capabilities and mission was without the loss of life? You're pretty dumb.

Bro.. you should never call anyone "pretty dumb" given your history here.

Just pretend you have some sense of self awareness, for fuck sake.

There was ample areas where you could shoot this over land where it posed no danger to anyone. Alaska has literally has a landmass to population of just over 1 person per square mile. Montana is a close 2nd with 7 people per square mile. If we are to believe the story of our current executive government's account: they claim they knew the moment it entered our air space above Alaska that it was a Chinese spy balloon. If that is actually the case, it should have been shot down immediately there with no threat to human life and well before it went over sensitive Montana installations to gather information.

[Seran]

Bro.. you should never call anyone "pretty dumb" given your history here.

Just pretend you have some sense of self awareness, for fuck sake.

There was ample areas where you could shoot this over land where it posed no danger to anyone. Alaska has literally has a landmass to population of just over 1 person per square mile. Montana is a close 2nd with 7 people per square mile. If we are to believe the story of our current executive government's account: they claim they knew the moment it entered our air space above Alaska that it was a Chinese spy balloon. If that is actually the case, it should have been shot down immediately there with no threat to human life and well before it went over sensitive Montana installations to gather information.

And yet the military leaders who advised the President recommended it be shot down over water. The President so ordered and it was carried out. Your attempting to be an armchair general doesn't change the facts as they were determined and successfully carried out with no risk to civilians.

[Suppressed Poet]

And yet the military leaders who advised the President recommended it be shot down over water. The President so ordered and it was carried out. Your attempting to be an armchair general doesn't change the facts as they were determined and successfully carried out with no risk to civilians.

[Parkbandit]

And yet the military leaders who advised the President recommended it be shot down over water. The President so ordered and it was carried out. Your attempting to be an armchair general doesn't change the facts as they were determined and successfully carried out with no risk to civilians.

Are these the same military leaders that told us that we were dumb to believe that Afghanistan would fall to the Taliban?

And no one, except maybe Biden, believes that the Chinese Spy Balloon was anything close to a success on any front... as evidenced by Biden claiming "IT HAPPENED UNDER TRUMP TOO!!!!" as some sort of bullshit excuse only someone with your lack of intelligence would swallow.

[Seran]

And yet it's only after you dumb fucks falsely claim things only occur under Democrats or Biden does anyone feel the need to point out the truth. Imagine if you just kept your mouth shut and then you wouldn't need to have your ass handed to you in a correction of the facts.