Alec Baldwin shooting

[ClydeR]

Days after the shooting, which also wounded the director of “Rust,” Joel Souza, investigators interviewed one of the movie’s actors, Jensen Ackles, who told them that he does inspect his guns on set himself.

“I just always do my own personal checks because it’s a smart thing to do,” Mr. Ackles told the police, according to footage of the interview. But he noted that he did not expect his peers to do the same, telling the detectives that if actors were the final line of defense in the safety of a movie set then he “wouldn’t trust 99.9 percent of the people I work with.”

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I bet Mr. Ackles wishes he had kept his mouth shut. Now they'll surely call him as a witness at the trial.

[Methais]

I've already said that if Baldwin had checked the gun and if he was able to distinguish blanks from real bullets, then the accident would not have happened. I do not accept the premise of your question that the number one rule of gun safety is to assume that a gun is loaded. I think the number one rule of gun safety is not to point a gun at another person, but that rule would not work in Westerns, would it?

Let's spend 30 second and ask the internet:





TLDR: It depends who you ask, but they go hand in hand. Though I can safely say that pointing a gun that you've already verified isn't loaded is usually going to be much "safer" than doing much of anything with a loaded gun.

Regardless of the order of rules 1 and 2, Baldwin also violated rule #3. He's just lying about it. He failed it up on 4 and 5 too.

Dick Cheney.

I was almost going to put an asterisk for Cheney, but then I remembered that I said "real hunters." I apologize for giving you too much credit.

I think the number one rule of gun safety is not to point a gun at another person, but that rule would not work in Westerns

I agree with you that Baldwin is so stupid that he shouldn't be handling a weapon under any circumstances.

[Parkbandit]

I do not accept the premise of your question that the number one rule of gun safety is to assume that a gun is loaded.

The #1 rule on this forum is: you're a fucking retard.

[Suppressed Poet]

The 4 gun safety commandments I was taught and most widely accepted:

1) Treat every gun you come in contact with like it is loaded.
2) Never out your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire.
3) Never point the muzzle at anything you don’t want to destroy.
4) Know your target and what is beyond it. (Positive ID)

There are other good rules that are more situational, but these are the basics. My 8 year old girls can recite you these rules.

So yes as an actor I do see how #3 has to be circumvented sometimes in a controlled environment to make movies. There should be multiple checks by both the armorer & actor during such times to make certain the firearm does not contain live lethal ammunition. I’m hazy on all the details of the shooting, but as I understand it they weren’t live filming at the moment the firearm was discharged. It seems there is sufficient evidence for a trial of involuntary manslaughter as all four safety rules were violated. Having an armorer on set doesn’t negate the personal responsibility of Mr. Baldwin to act in a reasonably responsible way. We’ll see how this case plays out.

[Neveragain]

The 4 gun safety commandments I was taught and most widely accepted:

1) Treat every gun you come in contact with like it is loaded.
2) Never out your finger on the trigger until you are ready to fire.
3) Never point the muzzle at anything you don’t want to destroy.
4) Know your target and what is beyond it. (Positive ID)

There are other good rules that are more situational, but these are the basics. My 8 year old girls can recite you these rules.

So yes as an actor I do see how #3 has to be circumvented sometimes in a controlled environment to make movies. There should be multiple checks by both the armorer & actor during such times to make certain the firearm does not contain live lethal ammunition. I’m hazy on all the details of the shooting, but as I understand it they weren’t live filming at the moment the firearm was discharged. It seems there is sufficient evidence for a trial of involuntary manslaughter as all four safety rules were violated. Having an armorer on set doesn’t negate the personal responsibility of Mr. Baldwin to act in a reasonably responsible way. We’ll see how this case plays out.

Here is my guess as to what happened.

Considering there was live ammo on the set and there should never be live ammo on the set. I'm guessing that they were shooting the guns during down time and the live rounds never got cleared. There was probably drugs and alcohol involved.

[Neveragain]

Interesting interview with Bob Dylan and Santana from 1993:

Interviewer: Do you think the availability of guns is a problem?

Dylan: I don't think there are enough guns.



@ 11:40

Bob Dylan, the true anti-fascist.

[LOL BRIELUS]

Here is my guess as to what happened.

Considering there was live ammo on the set and there should never be live ammo on the set. I'm guessing that they were shooting the guns during down time and the live rounds never got cleared. There was probably drugs and alcohol involved.

interesting hypothesis. I think this fact pattern would bring this into the manslaughter realm. Outside of that, kinda a tough sell overall. wonder what will come out

[Shaps]

Here is my guess as to what happened.

Considering there was live ammo on the set and there should never be live ammo on the set. I'm guessing that they were shooting the guns during down time and the live rounds never got cleared. There was probably drugs and alcohol involved.

That's a good hypothesis.

I still want to know/hear more, about all the other live rounds found on set. For some reason that detail just gets overlooked by the media for some reason.

[Parkbandit]

Maybe don't hire set armorers like this who have gotten into trouble on other sets?

[Methais]

Maybe don't hire set armorers like this who have gotten into trouble on other sets?

Jesus Christ