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[Seran]

He's a fucking retard... like a dog that gets beaten nearly to death, then doesn't complain when he gets slapped with a rod later on.

The Democrats suffer from beaten spouse syndrome. They won't realize till they've passed due to the insanity around them. Hopefully they all move to Illinois - because nothing will go wrong there...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/illinois-...121500362.html

"Illinois Becomes The First State To Pass "The Purge" Law"


If you live there.. I recommend leaving - now.

This is where the Republican party lives, trying to make their members terrified of constructive social reforms. The Purge? LOL. Judges have the ability to deny release pending trial to anyone they deem to be a threat to society. Meanwhile, in a society where being wealthy is the only way of not rotting in a cell until a hearing designed to prove guilt or innocence, how else do we show innocent until proven guilty? It's outstanding that another leg of the oligarchical power structure was knocked away in Illinois.

[Gelston]

He's a fucking retard... like a dog that gets beaten nearly to death, then doesn't complain when he gets slapped with a rod later on.

The Democrats suffer from beaten spouse syndrome. They won't realize till they've passed due to the insanity around them. Hopefully they all move to Illinois - because nothing will go wrong there...

https://www.yahoo.com/news/illinois-...121500362.html

"Illinois Becomes The First State To Pass "The Purge" Law"


If you live there.. I recommend leaving - now.

People calling this the purge law have never seen the Purge. I'm 100% in favor of not requiring bail for non-violent crimes for offenders that are not a flight risk.

People arrested for violent crimes (or any crime) can be held on a case by case basis depending on the judge. Eliminating cash bail means they are there until trial if the judge determines they are dangerous and/or a flight risk.

[Tgo01]

I'm 100% in favor of not requiring bail for non-violent crimes for offenders that are not a flight risk.

The crimes listed in the article are all violent criminal offenses.

Also I think comparing it to the Purge is pretty apt. If you can commit kidnapping then be back on the streets a few hours later then how is it much different than the purge? The few hours of inconvenience of being arrested and processed?

[Parkbandit]

Actually I was wrong, two consecutive months July and August, my brain input a forecast for September.

Still wrong.

Inflation increased .1% in August 2022 from July 2022. And I'm sure this number will be adjusted higher after the midterm elections... magically.

Also, I wouldn't go blaming your brain.. he has enough to worry about.

[Gelston]

The crimes listed in the article are all violent criminal offenses.

Also I think comparing it to the Purge is pretty apt. If you can commit kidnapping then be back on the streets a few hours later then how is it much different than the purge? The few hours of inconvenience of being arrested and processed?

Because they won't be back on the streets? Previously, all these crimes had bail. Now they don't. They are either released if showing no threat or they are detained with no chance of release until trial. It actually makes it tougher to get out for many crimes because you had to have a more convincing argument to get a judge to deny bail, rather than raise the price. It is a case-by-case review of them, rather than one thing for every single offender regardless of the individual.

I'm pretty sure it is a bail bond company paying people to come up with this shit.

[Tgo01]

It actually makes it tougher to get out for many crimes because you had to have a more convincing argument to get a judge to deny bail, rather than raise the price. It is a case-by-case review of them, rather than one thing for every single offender regardless of the individual.

I'm just going by what the article said, which granted could be wrong, but it states the prosecution has to show "clear and convincing evidence" that the criminal is a threat to a specific individual. Before you only had to do that to deny bail or to raise the bail price, but now it will be standard to have the criminal released unless the prosecution can prove they are a threat to a specific individual, and if they killed someone via "drug-induced homicide" then the victim is already dead and it would be nearly impossible to prove the person is a threat to a specific individual unless they were trying to kill more than one person and another potential victim is still alive.

[Gelston]

I'm just going by what the article said, which granted could be wrong, but it states the prosecution has to show "clear and convincing evidence" that the criminal is a threat to a specific individual. Before you only had to do that to deny bail or to raise the bail price, but now it will be standard to have the criminal released unless the prosecution can prove they are a threat to a specific individual, and if they killed someone via "drug-induced homicide" then the victim is already dead and it would be nearly impossible to prove the person is a threat to a specific individual unless they were trying to kill more than one person and another potential victim is still alive.

It is a yahoo.com article with a clearly slanted opinion based on the headline alone. It isn't explaining everything.

Yes, "clear and convincing" is less than you need to get a conviction in the first place. If you don't have clear and convincing, then you probably shouldn't have arrested that person because they aren't getting convicted.

As for the drug-induced homicide, it can be shown they are a threat to other people.

[Tgo01]

It is a yahoo.com article with a clearly slanted opinion based on the headline alone. It isn't explaining everything.

Slanted news isn't real. All journalists are war heroes.

[Gelston]

Got more info on the SAFE-T act. Those violent crimes, it lists as non-detainable are 100% detainable. The Governor made it clear there is no such thing as a non-detainable crime.

It has been clarified that anyone that violates probation will also be detained until trial for their new charges. Anyone that commits multiple offenses will also be held until trial.

And any charge that is considered "violent" doesn't necessarily require a prosecutor to provide "clear and convincing evidence", as a judge themself can make the determination. You could get a terrible judge that just lets people go, but they can already do that by setting bail to next to nothing. The only crimes that would need extra legwork by a prosecutor to detain are your non-violent offenses.

So again, this makes it harder for suspects of violent crimes to get back on the street right after arrest, because it is either they are released or they are staying in... And now there will be more room because all those non-violent suspects won't be stuck in jail for months waiting for trial.

[Tgo01]

Got more info on the SAFE-T act. Those violent crimes, it lists as non-detainable are 100% detainable. The Governor made it clear there is no such thing as a non-detainable crime.

Well yeah, I didn't take "non-detainable" in this context to mean they can't be detained at all, just that it was subject to this new cashless bail system.

And any charge that is considered "violent" doesn't necessarily require a prosecutor to provide "clear and convincing evidence", as a judge themself can make the determination.

Wouldn't a judge need to determine that based on the evidence the prosecution is providing though?