Originally posted by Celtic


Dude, I don't give a rats ass what either of them was doing, I am sick and tired of Kerry's proven lies and flip-flops.
As I've said before --- I don't care about it either. The ONLY reason it keeps coming up is because the Bush Campaign keeps BRINGING it up. Bush has a proven track record of doing some pretty nasty thiings to Vets who are running against him - look at the smear campaign used against McCain and Max Cleland. Does a war record from 30 years ago really matter all that much in a presidential election? Not really. Although - since we are currently at war - I'm thinking a guy who has actually seen battle might do a better job of leading the troops than one who spent his time protecting the bar and saloons in Florida, Georgia and Texas.

Did Bush lie to the American People? From the evidence presented even at the 9-11 commission I concluded that he, BUSH, was misled by Tenent and some of the others in the intelligence community.
And you ask me if *I'm* blind? Holy crap Celtic. Bush and his cronies have had a hard on for Iraq and Saddam for YEARS. Try looking up the PNAC sometime - and if you really are interested in how poor Bush got all that bad Intel, Google up "Office of Special Plans" and see what that gets you. Seriously. They wanted Iraq from day 1. 9-11 merely gave them the excuse. It was an unconscionable class-A hijack.

I am not a fan of war. But Prestius, I lived in NYC. I saw, with horror the images of these sick people flying our airplanes into the twin towers and those images will forever be in my head. To think of those people on both the planes, in the towers, I thank GOD that HE was able to save as many as he did. 3000 people died that day, and that day I wished every radical muslim dead. I still feel as strongly about it today as I did then.
Brother I am there wth you. And this is the part that I don't get - what makes you think that I feel any differently? What gives you the impression that the Repubs somehow have the monopoly on outrage over 9-11. I think we *still* should be going after every radical muslim out there right NOW. This is *exactly* why I think hitting Iraq was just the stupidest thing we could have done - shit why didn't we just bomb the fuck out of Mexico while we were at it - they had about as much connnection to al Quaeda and 9-11 as Saddam and Iraq.

I want us to hunt down those bastards just as badly as you do. But .. dude .. Afghanistan? Remember al Quaeda and and the Taliban? They're back! And with porous borders with Pakistan (a country with Nukes, BTW) perhaps we should be paying more attention there? And all the money we spent on getting Saddam - what about protecting our own country? Ports, chem plants, rails, airports, 1st responders, more eyes on the street.

Did Iraq have something to do with 9/11? Other then allowing training from 1996 through 2000 on their soil, no. Did Iraq have WMD? Yes, and they find more and of the weapons every day. Read Reuters. Not two weeks ago we found 11 missles buried under 6" of concrete all set to receive nuclear devices. Every day we find mortar shells, artillery shells all laced with saren gas.
Come on Celtic, you're smarter than that. Tehcnically what you say it true, but we're talking about going to WAR here. Pretty flimsy reasoning there. Osama thought Saddam was an infidel. If there was any training of al Quaeda in Iraq it was at the Northern border in an area NOT controlled by Saddam. That saren gas is *years* old. No what doubts he had it at one time. A bunker? What the hell happened to "they could strike within 45 minutes" - "don't let the smoking gun be a mushroom cloud".

I'm sorry - but it was one big fucking deception.


My god, are you all just blind?
I ask myself the same question about those who buy into the Bush plan.

Originally posted by Parkbandit

And Celtic.. you are wasting your breath. Far too many people are living in the 9-10-01 world and are either oblivious or ignorant of the way the world works today.
Yeah .. you keep saying that Parkbandit. And believe it or not, I'm just as aware of the threats and dangers in the world as you are. Just because I think that Bush and his cronies are idiots (at best) and criminals at the worst for hijacking the memory and woldwide support we had from 9-11 and using it to fulfill some neocon pipedream, doesn't make me any less aware of the stark realities of the world today. I want to get the bastards who attacked us, and who continue to attack us. But, as I've said before, fighting Iraq is NOT fighting terrorism and to me that's the worst sin of all.

-P